After owning all three, the one I decided to keep was the 600. All three are amazing in their own rite, and if you have the money, having the 650 and Sundaras as complimentary headphones would be ideal. For me however, I only wanted to keep one. Compared to the Sundara, I found the 600 to be more natural sounding, more rich in the mids (especially with vocals), similar levels of neutral, and much more dynamic (especially in the bass), at the cost of having less clarity, separation, soundstage, detail retrieval, and imaging capability in comparison. If all you're looking for is fine detail and nuances in your music, the Sundara is insanely good, however I personally value the dynamic capability and the incredible timbre/tonality of the 600 more. Compared to the 650, the 600 sounded less muffled/dark, and though the 650s warmer tonality sounded pristine on some tracks, on others it would make songs feel congested in a way, so I preferred to stick with the 600s more neutral tuning. That all being said, you can't go wrong with any of these options. If you own any of these, trust when I say you made a great purchase. That's my 2 cents, have a great day
"at the cost of having less clarity, separation, soundstage, detail retrieval, and imaging capability in comparison." - I disagree. What you think you're hearing in the Sundaras in terms of stereo imaging (sound stage) and detail is simply more treble, and a very imbalanced one at that.
@@jimnorrison8481 very likely could be, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. I don't have them anymore to do a side-by-side again, but I can agree.
@@jimnorrison8481 I'm not sure I would agree with you. I own the 6xx and the Sundara and I can hear a noticeable difference between the two. They both have their strengths and weakness, but I would agree with the OP the Sundara does have noticeably more sound stage, imaging and detail retrieval. Honestly a lot of headphone have better sound stage and imaging over the 600 series, which happens to be a fairly intimate headphones.
Great review! Was in the market for $300 headphones. Narrowed it down to the Sundara and HD600, leaned towards the Sundara but after reading about its QC issues, and after reading about people owning the hd600 for decades, went with decent sound+great qc over good sound+2-3 yr lifespan.
Thank you very much for your video. I do own HD600 and Sundara. Both are great ones. To have got the possibilty to change from time to time ,,, a gift. 🍀🖖🏽
A lot of people regret getting rid of their HD600/650 series and end up buying another pair again. I've done it twice myself😀 I even know someone who has sold and bought the HD650 FOUR TIMES! There's so many "technically better" headphones on the market than the HD600/650, BUT at the end of the day music is all about Enjoyment. These scale really well, and with the "right" amp/dac some people (me included) find that there's simply no other headphones on earth that sound more pleasing to the ear, regardless of price. Also they have stood the test of time (decades!), I won't be surprised if 10 years from now a lot of people will still love and be talking about the HD600/650, while other ""superior" headphones on the market now will fade in oblivion.,
@@RealKyurem , the 650 sounds darker, meaning that if you listen to music for very long periods of time then your ears will thank you. And it has a tiny bit more bass presence. Having said taht the 600 doesn's sound bright at all, and I think more people find it to slightly more balanced. But music is music, both are very enjoyable, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
@edwardsantosa644 Yeah, I currently have a dt 1990 pro, and the treble doesn't bother me, so I'm not worried about that. Maybe I'll go with the 650 at some point since it will be a nice contrast to my 1990s and a good 2nd pair of headphones.
Wow! I saw you reply to comments and this is more than a year after publish. Gives me a lot of trust as a viewer that you care about the hps and consumers! Gonna binge your channel now
I personally don't think the Sundara's are even in the same league as the the HD600/650, I think the new lower price of the HD6XX's from the Drop has given people the false impression that they are 'entry' level headphones based on price alone, this is certainly not that case, the HD650 were Sennheiser's flagship headphone for many years, there is a reason they are such revered headphones that have stood the test of time. I have experience with a lot of headphones, and nothing I have come across thus far have the timbre and tonality of the HD600/650's, they are midrange beasts, the 650 can initially sound a little veiled but they are very balanced and full of subtle microdetails, I think a good headphone or speaker never wows you at it's first listen, and nor should it, they just do it right.
I don't know. Sony ex8000st wowed on on the first listen. They're over 12 years old and still revered as one of the greatest especially for bass heads.
I got a new Sundara not long ago, and I picked up a Sennheiser 58x used as a different flavour of headphone. Even as the cheapest and least regarded of the 600 series, I think I prefer it. The Sundara has more detail but is less refined sounding. The Sennheiser tonality is just excellent, like musical honey in your ears. The Sundara is white sugar.
@@Tesseract9630Veiled? If you install ZMF lambskin perf pads for the HD650 and run it though a competent headphone amp like my V550 they light up with outstanding clarity. The fact that they're so cheap compared to top performing headphones nowadays is mind boggling, I would have no issues with my HD650 being excellent backup cans.
@@BopWalk you are right . For the price , there are unbeatable. I was using them with entry level bluetooth amps . Maybe that why they didn’t perform as good. But the refinement and timber of sound is top notch. You wont find that kind of smoothness and quality of the sound anywhere in those price range. All other 200-500 $ headphones seems plasticky compared to hd 650/600. But still lack of soundstage make it feel like some yet to be desired. If you can overlook that the its an exceptional headphone.
I had the same experience with the Sundara that initially it seemed a tad bright but after getting used to it I actually love the stock sound with no EQ. It's a killer value @ $350 and you can often get it for $300-320 on sale (new, not open box).
16:07 I'm so cautious whenever peeps on the internet say this about headphone treble. I think the dt1990 pro's treble traumatised me. Everyone on youtube was singing it's praise, the odd person was saying stuff like "hmm maybe it would be just slightly too bright for some people". When I got them, they had murder treble, kept them for 3 weeks, and never got used to it. Felt like jamming two iphone speakers next to my ears. Returned them. Now I associate the word "bright" with "kill your ears".
I bought and tried both the Sundara and HD650 and I kept the HD650.The HD650 have what the Sundara are missing.BASS!! And it goes down low and deep.I didn't think they had it in them but when I played some bass test tracks,I was surprised.But you need a powerful amplifier to bring out that bass.The Sundara has a wider Soundstage but the HD650 is better in every other way IMO.Besides I think the HD650 Soundstage is natural and true to the recording.
I liked the Sundara very much. It somehow changed my taste of music. Now I really appreciate the "Highs". I run mine with Schiit Magni Heresy, and the pair is awesome. liked the comparison!!
Yeah, I agree. A good treble presentation like the Sundara's can definitely make one fall in love with well-done and sparkly highs, without which, music can sound less-defined and even boring to a degree.
I have all three of those headphones as well. I didn't like HD 650 at all. I thought the HD 600 were the best. Hifiman are just NOT comfortable, they are much heavier, and the shape is not ear shaped. I honestly felt they sound similar, so for me comfort was the most important feature.
You will love the upgrade. The Arya is technically better as you would expect, but also a lot more fluid and musical than the Sundara. And the A90 pairs so well with the Arya.
UA-cam Time Traveler 😁 My 650’s in a tube amp ( in balanced) is still my go to headphone. My IEM’s stable is varied and they all bring something to the party ..but to get that performance on an over ear …maybe the Meze Flagships . Great review, thanks.
I have the Sundaras and HD600s... and here are my thoughts: Comfort... right out of the box, the Sundaras are more comfortable to my big, egg-shaped head. The clamp force of the Sennies was stronger, on me. I could care less about the aesthetics, but that's me. The sound... to me. "fuller" sound with more bass on the Sundaras. The mids seem a bit more relaxed and warmer. The soundstage and imaging is definitely better than the 600s. The 600s are "thinner" and more clinical. Very clear. Definitely more neutral but needed the bass boost feature on my Zed Dac V3 to fill in some mid and lower bass frequencies. As sub $500 cans, they are both really amazing value. I've had the Focal Clear and T+A Solitaire Ts... and they are both head a shoulders above the others in every way. BUT they are also multiples more expensive. SO, there's that. Sound and pleasure is so subjective. Go listen to everything you can afford, and even stuff way above your budget so you can get a reference point and comparable. Listen to music you know really well and love. And try to listen back to back, if you can. Then pick what you like. Nothing else matters. Enjoy!!!
Everyone that want to compare the two... well don't ,because the sundara and hd600 are Nice together. Just save a little more and get the two . But if you absolutely can't afford the 2 ... Take the hd600 since they are a jack of all trades everything sounds nice on the hd600 especially vocals tonality. The sundara have a different tonality. The vocals have more upper mid-range, treble energy to them . So the male vocals have less body. That being said the vocals on the sundara are more impactfull ,they are a bit more present ( because of the "t,s") The sundara is the king for ( rap, edm, techno, pop, synthe and even orchestra due to the layering ,the good separation of instruments and the Soundstage without omitting the trebles ..precise) While the hd600 sounds good with ( rap,pop,....) They shine for orchestra for a different reason.. the hd600 sounds more correct the instruments sounds how they should. The sundara is clinical . The hd600 is honest . I would like to bring something else on the table before I forget. Hifiman has poor qc ( quality control) For example I had to replace my sundara after 1 year .luckily for me I had a warranty. While the hd600 1 year and still no problem. Yet there is a catch with the hd600.. If you use them a lot, I will have to change the pads on a yearly basis. 45 $/€ each year. And to finish. Use them with an amp if possible. They sound good out of a phone ,however ,i noticed the sundara sounded noticeably better.
Just come across your channel, excellent review than you. Have subscribed and liked. I have the 6xx on the way from Drop to me in the UK at the moment and my next planned HP is the Sundara so this was perfect for me👌😁.
Great review. Very helpful. I’m actually trying to figure out which of these I’d prefer. If I was to say that I listen to a huge amount of classical music (right across the genre, apart from opera), Classic Rock and Americana, which would be best suited please? I’m guessing people would say the Sundara because of its detail retrieval, instrument separation and soundstage? Thanks
Enjoyed this review. I really like my 650 and 580. Haven't tried the Sundara. I keep putting it off...Definitely need to try it out sometime. And I think the sweet spot in the 6X0 line for many would be the HD580 (if you can find one).
I somehow missed out trying/buying the HD595 and HD580s, I used to use two pairs HD600s for recording a few years back and pasted them on to friends. As of now I got lucky and found some HD590s off of eBay and they have a very similar sound signature to the HD600s and are just as easy to pair with various equipments. Cheers.
Great video mate, I still have a pair of HD 600 that I purchased in 1997 with the original box, when I moved years ago I forgot I had them. I visited Sennheiser HQ in the U.K. and they gave me new pads, cables and replacement Headband foam all for free, pretty cool. Have you tried their new IE900 yet? I am currently using Noble K10, I Sine 20 and custom 64 Audio A18t mainly with a Questyle QP2R, AK 70/Mojo, AK 380 Copper with Amp and Hugo 2. Enjoy your music and keep safe you and your family. Anthony
Just found your channel and have been browsing several videos. Love your comparisons. I own a clear MG which is super warm and velvety, and was thinking of the 600 as complementary. This video made me consider the Sundara, which in turn made me consider the Ananda as there is a local sale going on and it would be within my budget - but I’m not sure if that would be a different signature altogether. What would you recommend?
Hi, what do you think of the Dt 1990s in comparison to the Sundara. I got them and later decided to purchase a HD6xx for a more chill out pair that isn’t so fatiguing for studying or longer listening sessions and their mids specialty to somewhat complement the 1990. Is there any point in getting the Sundara if I have these two? I want to try a planar to add to my set not sure which one. Should I bother with the $300-400 range since I already have the 1990 which sounds similar to what you described (fast, clear, detail retrieval, airy, good bass, getting used to treble) or just save for the higher ones Ananda/LCD2C I heard are good?
Over a year later, did you decide to get the sundaras? If so, what are your thoughts? I also have the dt1990s currently but I was looking to get an arya or HE1000 stealth as a second headphone so I can switch between the two
I can't stand the sharpness in these Hifiman headphones, I had to return the Arya because of that. The 600 / 650 are still the most popular audiophile headphones after 20+ years for a reason, they are just so enjoyable.
Would the Sundara work well plugged straight into my phone (Pixel 4 XL)? My budget wouldn't stretch to getting a separate amp - so I'd love to know whether I'd be better off spending my money on higher quality headphones like these - or actually going with with cheaper ones (for example Sony XM4) that are designed to work without an amp. What would produce the better overall sound? Cheers!
I've been in the midst of finding a pair of open back headphones for a reasonable price. I decided on the sundaras and it seems they will require an amp. I bought an ifi hip dac 2 for its price and portability. I have the xm4s and they sound pretty good and crazy comfortable.
@@bensherman1977 sound quality is a lot more detailed on sundaras but not saying the xm4s sound bad. Also, the sundaras sound open in comparison. I just received the sundaras so still feeling them out. The xm4s are definitely more comfortable.
The problems with Sundara that i love, are the weight , the circle pads , the quality control of Hifiman my first pair had left driver lower volume, the second pair had pads problem and cable , my New 2021 Sundara has different pads and works great ( already more than 400 hours) . About Sundara vs HD 660s imaging , separation , timbre ,is better on 660s, Clarity , texture, soundstage are better on Sundara . Also HD 660s are smoother more orgnaic natural sound and Sundara more Digital Metalic sound . By the way Sundara Thin Mebrane is very Air pressure sensitive depending the surrounding air pressure it sounds different, just move your hands close and far to the driver of Sundara and u get my point .
@@zhuhang.jasper Yeap I know , thats why so many people have different XP depending the Sound Pressure of the air . For example they sound different in the mountain and different in the sea . Its sounds stupid but its true.
Can someone help me with an answer that can determine me in purchasing the Sennheiser HD 600: Can I drive them directly from headphone output of a dedicated sound card from my PC? (in my case M-Audio Revolution 5.1) Thank you.
Thank you for the comparison, great review! After hearing the Sundara and the HD660 I got the HD660. Never heard the HD600 nor HD650. Do you think the HD600 or the HD650 would make a significant difference to them (HD660)? Do you think these are side grade or downgrade or even upgrade to the HD660? It seems to me that there are many who idolize either the HD600 or the 650, but the HD660 seems to be the stepchild for most... Thanks
Hello, I used to own the 660 as well. Overall, the 660 is a very capable headphone, but I think to a degree, it is more different than similar from the 600 and 650, which are close to each other. Most people buy the 650 and 600 for their midrange and vocal performance, so if that's your cup of tea, the 600 and 650 are still the headphones to get. Although the 660S is technically superior to the 600 and 650. Hope this helps. I will see if I can bring the 660s back and audition it again. :)
I have all of them u can read my posts on Head fi forum . HD6 series are all organic smoother warmer headphones compare to Sundara . Between the HD 600 ,650,660s there are a lot to be said and compare but if u want me to tell it with some words then HD 600 is the most clear colder , HD 650 is the smoothest warmer of them all , and HD 660s is in the middle not cold like 600 not warm like 650 also HD 660s has the best imaging and separation of them all ( in the same league with Sundara) . So in my opinion there is no upgrade or downgrade , its all about your taste . Sundara for soundstage clearness imaging sepperation speed but colder and with artificial metalic feeling . HD 660s if u want something like Sundara but more smooth more organic with smaller in your head soundstage but also great imaging sepperation and speed.... And Last one HD 650 for the smoothest warmer of them all and 600 for the smallest soundstage and something natural and cold. If i have to choose ONE then HD 660s because it has everything , and if i have to chose 2 of them Sundara and HD 650 because they are the most different .
I don´t know, I tested the Sundara and really wanted to like it. But it just wasn´t for me. I guess one gets dissapointed if a hyped product just doesn´t deliver. True, you can get used to the sound and try it with different amps or whatever. But that alone rules the headphone out for me. I don´t want to get used to something to start liking it, don´t want to play around with differnt equipment to start liking it. And if I just look at the vast amount of used cans offered everywhere, I think the Sundara is a pass.
We compared 2 Sennheisers in this price range to 1 Hifiman in this price range. The Dark Horse that no one talks about is the other Hifiman in this price range: the HE560 v4. The Sundara beats it in natural tonality and soundstage. In my opinion, the HE560 v4 beats the Sundara in everything else: impact, transients, deep bass, clarity, detail, accuracy, power, "meat on the bones", punch, slam, dynamics, imaging. Why is the HE560v4 a dark horse? Because the version before it had some issues they fixed up but it tainted the name of the 560, and because reviewers didn't take notice that it needs a better amp to work right. If you're interested in the 560v4, which you should be, just study up on reviewers and forums to find a good amp for it. That's not a con or disadvantage, because it will actually lead you into selecting a better amp for the same price you would have got a mediocre amp. Cheers, enjoy your music!
It would be nice if you said the headphone name instead of "this" and "that" while you hold up the cans. Personally I listen to reviews while working. it's like asmr but I had a hard time following you when audio only.
Sundaras are good value, especially if you want to get into planars. Exceptional detail retrieval and tuning but they are really better at orchestral, classical, and jazz, and they are not ideal for rock music. At least not compared to my DT 1990s which far outclass any of these headphones in punch, slam, and dynamics.
DT1990 are not Open back are Semi Open thats why they go deeper , they are better in punch slam ( and soundstage ) but not on Dynamics ... Sundara and HD660s are better on that and sound more airy and way way more Natural than DT 1990 . DT 1990 are AMAZING headphones to WORK with ( these spikes on highs help a lot to find mistakes on recordings) , but NOT to listen music . For listening music Focal Clear , Elex, Sundara, HD 6 series , Beyer Amiron Home , to me are way better .
@@reeepicheep I am not using tubes anymore. I use ifi micro black , IfI nano when i want portable , i also use some others for my planars K5pro that are strong enough , and also i use a very powerfull hybrid from Harman Kardon an old one . I had little dot but there was a noise that got me crazy so i sell it. I guess to have good tube amo dac u need over 1.000 euros.
@@TheSteve57 agree vocals are thin ( compared to HD 6 line ) overall Sundara are amazing ... what i dont like is the that some times they sound cold - metallic but ok i understand this is a trade off for the clarity .
Edition XS sound dang natural to me. Environmental noises, imaging, soundstage are the most realistic I have heard in any headphone yet. The detail retrieval is insane. You will hear more details than you may even want lol
HD600 is stronger in microdynamic, much better timbre, and has more soul ultimately. You only touched Sundara's strengths, which is typical planar strength. But the Sundara is not a dynamic headphone. Feels flatter and harder to get emotion out of it. And no, Sundara doesn't have more detail. Just that it throws detail at you more than the HD600. Just like all Hifimans. The HD600 is more subtle at showing off its details.
Totally agree on this hd600 has a better microdynamic , however the presentation is a bit better on the sundara due to the planar nature (they are more forward) however it loses the dynamic or “soul” feel, coming from someone who has dt880,hd600 and the sundara
I dont think sundara have much detail in vocals. All the details are in the treble. Hd 650 have more details in vocals. I sold my hd 650 and bought sundara. Now I miss it. Got to save up and buy hd650 again.
You're not alone😀 A lot of people regret getting rid of their HD600/650 series and end up buying another pair again. I've done it twice myself😀 I even know someone who has sold and bought the HD650 FOUR TIMES! There's so many "technically better" headphones on the market than the HD600/650, BUT at the end of the day music is all about Enjoyment. And with an amp/dac of their choice, some people (me included) find that there's simply no other headphones on earth that sound more pleasing to the ear, regardless of price.
DT 1990's are actually comparable to these in EU. Beyer missed the mark with US pricing which made them unpopular. Although it has a really serious 8k peak so it might be unusable without eq for some people but they still have a magic. Build is also phenomenal. Some say it's a budget Focal Clear.
I have both the HD600 & HD650 well over 10 years and many other headphones. I will say HD series is amp dependent. But, Been into the chifi iem scene last few years. I have well over a dozen iem's at this point. In my opinion I would say a $50 mele iem outperforms a HD series headphone. The musicality you can get for a Mele or Olina is astounding. If you move up to a monarch or clairvoyance the are superior to the HD series. But both the monarch and Clair are $700 bucks.
I am sort of in the same boat here. Been playing with Chi Fi IEM's but since I wear headphones 12+ hours per day for work and play I need a headphone to actually wear over the ear. Recently the Truth Ear Zero came out and it is quite amazing for $50. The bass slam and presence is up there with my Edition XS and this is with no tuning. I actually am finding I prefer the intimate sound stage it seems "easier" to listen to the details and get the feeling of the music. Music is being injected into you, rather than being absorbed... if that makes sense. You can tell these IEM's are not on the same level of detail retrieval and technicalities that the XS can offer or even the HD 560S. It is about the same resolution as DT 770 Pro 80ohm but holds together much better at higher volumes. It just makes me think... are IEM's really just the way to go here? A $50 IEM has me second guessing a $500 set of headphones with $150 amp.... I can drive this IEM with my iPhone. WTF
Bought the hd660s2 bc I thought it would be a big improvement after all those years in the making of hd 6 series. Nope they are still shit and overprice.
HD650 beats Sundara with comfort (lighter) and sound (unfatiguing and beautiful). Sundara makes me cringe when sound gets loud, with HD650 I want to blast and float away.
There is NO terrible Soundstage its just Big , Small or Normal Soundstage ... Big soundstage doesnt mean better !!! Sundara have bigger soundstage than 660s . HD6 soundstage its like that HD660>HD650>600 but all of them are like in front of you , thats something amazing for vocals ... If u need Orchestra Headphones u Can Choose HD 660s for imaging and separation but small soundstage ... Or go with Ananda , HD 700, HD800 , DT1990, DT 990, AKG 712 pro , Philips X2 , and many other options that have big soundstage .
@@Tripokaridos22 Wrong, HD600 is terrible for gaming, because of it's narrow, unnatural soundstage shape that doesn't reflect how 3D space or imaging sounds(which most headphones and IEMs can't do well). Larger and spherical sounds the most natural, and therefore best, to me.
@@x-techgaming Let me tell u again ... there is NO terrible soundstage. For gaming u need Big Soundstage and great imaging ... But for Music is something else . HD 600 are not gaming Headphones are made for music and Vocals . Big Soundstage its NOT good for stereo music and Vocals everyone knows that , and thats why HD 600 are LEGENDS for Music and Vocals . So if u Need a Gaming headphone like i said Look for gaming headphone and NOT Audiophile Headphone for music .
@@Tripokaridos22 So HD800 and SR-009 are 2 of the worst music headphones because of their amazing, huge soundstage? A terrible soundstage is a small one that doesn't sound natural, simple as that. Sorry if you disagree. And there are no "gaming headphones" that sound anywhere near as open/wide or good as hifi headphones, so you are also confused there. I had an HD600 for 4-5 years. I know how they sound, and HD660 is a huge improvement in soundstage size, shape, and naturalness.
After owning all three, the one I decided to keep was the 600. All three are amazing in their own rite, and if you have the money, having the 650 and Sundaras as complimentary headphones would be ideal. For me however, I only wanted to keep one. Compared to the Sundara, I found the 600 to be more natural sounding, more rich in the mids (especially with vocals), similar levels of neutral, and much more dynamic (especially in the bass), at the cost of having less clarity, separation, soundstage, detail retrieval, and imaging capability in comparison. If all you're looking for is fine detail and nuances in your music, the Sundara is insanely good, however I personally value the dynamic capability and the incredible timbre/tonality of the 600 more. Compared to the 650, the 600 sounded less muffled/dark, and though the 650s warmer tonality sounded pristine on some tracks, on others it would make songs feel congested in a way, so I preferred to stick with the 600s more neutral tuning. That all being said, you can't go wrong with any of these options. If you own any of these, trust when I say you made a great purchase.
That's my 2 cents, have a great day
"at the cost of having less clarity, separation, soundstage, detail retrieval, and imaging capability in comparison." - I disagree. What you think you're hearing in the Sundaras in terms of stereo imaging (sound stage) and detail is simply more treble, and a very imbalanced one at that.
@@jimnorrison8481 very likely could be, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. I don't have them anymore to do a side-by-side again, but I can agree.
@@jimnorrison8481 I'm not sure I would agree with you. I own the 6xx and the Sundara and I can hear a noticeable difference between the two. They both have their strengths and weakness, but I would agree with the OP the Sundara does have noticeably more sound stage, imaging and detail retrieval. Honestly a lot of headphone have better sound stage and imaging over the 600 series, which happens to be a fairly intimate headphones.
@@chillstep4life 6xx are no 600's
Sundara and HD650 are very close...
Great review! Was in the market for $300 headphones. Narrowed it down to the Sundara and HD600, leaned towards the Sundara but after reading about its QC issues, and after reading about people owning the hd600 for decades, went with decent sound+great qc over good sound+2-3 yr lifespan.
You need more subscribers my man. Super knowledgeable, quality content and you delivered it in a great digestable way
Thank you very much for your video.
I do own HD600 and Sundara. Both are great ones.
To have got the possibilty to change from time to time ,,, a gift.
🍀🖖🏽
A lot of people regret getting rid of their HD600/650 series and end up buying another pair again. I've done it twice myself😀 I even know someone who has sold and bought the HD650 FOUR TIMES! There's so many "technically better" headphones on the market than the HD600/650, BUT at the end of the day music is all about Enjoyment. These scale really well, and with the "right" amp/dac some people (me included) find that there's simply no other headphones on earth that sound more pleasing to the ear, regardless of price. Also they have stood the test of time (decades!), I won't be surprised if 10 years from now a lot of people will still love and be talking about the HD600/650, while other ""superior" headphones on the market now will fade in oblivion.,
Can suggest a amp for Sennheiser HD600 under 200 euros please 😇
@@soulfulfool I’ll check it out my friend. Thank you.
Which one is more pleasing to listen to between the 600 and the 650?
@@RealKyurem , the 650 sounds darker, meaning that if you listen to music for very long periods of time then your ears will thank you. And it has a tiny bit more bass presence. Having said taht the 600 doesn's sound bright at all, and I think more people find it to slightly more balanced. But music is music, both are very enjoyable, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
@edwardsantosa644 Yeah, I currently have a dt 1990 pro, and the treble doesn't bother me, so I'm not worried about that. Maybe I'll go with the 650 at some point since it will be a nice contrast to my 1990s and a good 2nd pair of headphones.
Wow! I saw you reply to comments and this is more than a year after publish. Gives me a lot of trust as a viewer that you care about the hps and consumers! Gonna binge your channel now
I personally don't think the Sundara's are even in the same league as the the HD600/650, I think the new lower price of the HD6XX's from the Drop has given people the false impression that they are 'entry' level headphones based on price alone, this is certainly not that case, the HD650 were Sennheiser's flagship headphone for many years, there is a reason they are such revered headphones that have stood the test of time. I have experience with a lot of headphones, and nothing I have come across thus far have the timbre and tonality of the HD600/650's, they are midrange beasts, the 650 can initially sound a little veiled but they are very balanced and full of subtle microdetails, I think a good headphone or speaker never wows you at it's first listen, and nor should it, they just do it right.
I don't know. Sony ex8000st wowed on on the first listen. They're over 12 years old and still revered as one of the greatest especially for bass heads.
I got a new Sundara not long ago, and I picked up a Sennheiser 58x used as a different flavour of headphone. Even as the cheapest and least regarded of the 600 series, I think I prefer it. The Sundara has more detail but is less refined sounding. The Sennheiser tonality is just excellent, like musical honey in your ears. The Sundara is white sugar.
If you like veiled sound.
@@Tesseract9630Veiled? If you install ZMF lambskin perf pads for the HD650 and run it though a competent headphone amp like my V550 they light up with outstanding clarity. The fact that they're so cheap compared to top performing headphones nowadays is mind boggling, I would have no issues with my HD650 being excellent backup cans.
@@BopWalk you are right . For the price , there are unbeatable. I was using them with entry level bluetooth amps . Maybe that why they didn’t perform as good.
But the refinement and timber of sound is top notch. You wont find that kind of smoothness and quality of the sound anywhere in those price range. All other 200-500 $ headphones seems plasticky compared to hd 650/600.
But still lack of soundstage make it feel like some yet to be desired. If you can overlook that the its an exceptional headphone.
I had the same experience with the Sundara that initially it seemed a tad bright but after getting used to it I actually love the stock sound with no EQ. It's a killer value @ $350 and you can often get it for $300-320 on sale (new, not open box).
True!
I burm the Sundara and is a bass cannon.
Even cheaper now, as is the HE560v4.
You more than anyone, helped me decide whish headphone to go with! Good job...I'm not an easy sell
16:07 I'm so cautious whenever peeps on the internet say this about headphone treble. I think the dt1990 pro's treble traumatised me. Everyone on youtube was singing it's praise, the odd person was saying stuff like "hmm maybe it would be just slightly too bright for some people". When I got them, they had murder treble, kept them for 3 weeks, and never got used to it. Felt like jamming two iphone speakers next to my ears. Returned them. Now I associate the word "bright" with "kill your ears".
I bought and tried both the Sundara and HD650 and I kept the HD650.The HD650 have what the Sundara are missing.BASS!! And it goes down low and deep.I didn't think they had it in them but when I played some bass test tracks,I was surprised.But you need a powerful amplifier to bring out that bass.The Sundara has a wider Soundstage but the HD650 is better in every other way IMO.Besides I think the HD650 Soundstage is natural and true to the recording.
How bout sound separation? Did 650 have it?
wonderful review and comparison you got a new sub and like here yuor presentation was excellent so keep up the excellent reviews
Stumbled on your review , and I love it .
Thank you!
I liked the Sundara very much. It somehow changed my taste of music. Now I really appreciate the "Highs". I run mine with Schiit Magni Heresy, and the pair is awesome.
liked the comparison!!
Yeah, I agree. A good treble presentation like the Sundara's can definitely make one fall in love with well-done and sparkly highs, without which, music can sound less-defined and even boring to a degree.
@@amplifyaudioreviews It depends some times its nice and others need some smoothness . Other than that HD 6 series sound more natural organic .
@@Tripokaridos22 That's true
I have all three of those headphones as well. I didn't like HD 650 at all. I thought the HD 600 were the best. Hifiman are just NOT comfortable, they are much heavier, and the shape is not ear shaped. I honestly felt they sound similar, so for me comfort was the most important feature.
I currently use a Sundara (2021) with a Topping A90 and SMSL M400. I absolutely love it! Thinking about upgrading to an Arya sometime next year.
You will love the upgrade. The Arya is technically better as you would expect, but also a lot more fluid and musical than the Sundara. And the A90 pairs so well with the Arya.
How do they sound with EDM music and Instrumental ? Thanks
@@ohnonate Anything melodious sounds great with the HD 650. If you like a more clinical presentation, then the Sundara
Thank you for the information, I’m looking for a secondary headphone I’ll give your recommendation a try .
Good luck!
I have the sundara v2 and hd 650. The sundara is on another level as far as natural sound and clarity
The Sundara is certainly on another level with clarity and technical performance.
@@amplifyaudioreviews also punch and slam
They are great and clarity agree is better , but HD 6 series is more natural ( not metalic sound )
is it worth to buy the hd650 when i already have the sundara?
@@aqwandrew6330 I cant tell u spamming alert ....
Very good review. You deserve more subscribers
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My 650’s in a tube amp ( in balanced) is still my go to headphone.
My IEM’s stable is varied and they all bring something to the party ..but to get that performance on an over ear …maybe the Meze Flagships .
Great review, thanks.
I have the Sundaras and HD600s... and here are my thoughts:
Comfort... right out of the box, the Sundaras are more comfortable to my big, egg-shaped head. The clamp force of the Sennies was stronger, on me.
I could care less about the aesthetics, but that's me.
The sound... to me.
"fuller" sound with more bass on the Sundaras. The mids seem a bit more relaxed and warmer. The soundstage and imaging is definitely better than the 600s.
The 600s are "thinner" and more clinical. Very clear. Definitely more neutral but needed the bass boost feature on my Zed Dac V3 to fill in some mid and lower bass frequencies.
As sub $500 cans, they are both really amazing value.
I've had the Focal Clear and T+A Solitaire Ts... and they are both head a shoulders above the others in every way. BUT they are also multiples more expensive. SO, there's that.
Sound and pleasure is so subjective. Go listen to everything you can afford, and even stuff way above your budget so you can get a reference point and comparable. Listen to music you know really well and love. And try to listen back to back, if you can. Then pick what you like. Nothing else matters.
Enjoy!!!
Everyone that want to compare the two... well don't ,because the sundara and hd600 are Nice together.
Just save a little more and get the two .
But if you absolutely can't afford the 2 ...
Take the hd600 since they are a jack of all trades everything sounds nice on the hd600 especially vocals tonality.
The sundara have a different tonality.
The vocals have more upper mid-range, treble energy to them . So the male vocals have less body.
That being said the vocals on the sundara are more impactfull ,they are a bit more present ( because of the "t,s")
The sundara is the king for ( rap, edm, techno, pop, synthe and even orchestra due to the layering ,the good separation of instruments and the Soundstage without omitting the trebles ..precise)
While the hd600 sounds good with ( rap,pop,....)
They shine for orchestra for a different reason.. the hd600 sounds more correct the instruments sounds how they should.
The sundara is clinical .
The hd600 is honest .
I would like to bring something else on the table before I forget.
Hifiman has poor qc ( quality control)
For example I had to replace my sundara after 1 year .luckily for me I had a warranty.
While the hd600 1 year and still no problem.
Yet there is a catch with the hd600..
If you use them a lot, I will have to change the pads on a yearly basis. 45 $/€ each year.
And to finish.
Use them with an amp if possible.
They sound good out of a phone ,however ,i noticed the sundara sounded noticeably better.
Just come across your channel, excellent review than you. Have subscribed and liked. I have the 6xx on the way from Drop to me in the UK at the moment and my next planned HP is the Sundara so this was perfect for me👌😁.
Thanks. Glad you liked it!
Great review. Very helpful. I’m actually trying to figure out which of these I’d prefer.
If I was to say that I listen to a huge amount of classical music (right across the genre, apart from opera), Classic Rock and Americana, which would be best suited please? I’m guessing people would say the Sundara because of its detail retrieval, instrument separation and soundstage? Thanks
Budget?
@@amplifyaudioreviews Hi. I actually bought some Sennheiser HD660S this week. So far I’m really pleased with them
Enjoyed this review.
I really like my 650 and 580. Haven't tried the Sundara. I keep putting it off...Definitely need to try it out sometime. And I think the sweet spot in the 6X0 line for many would be the HD580 (if you can find one).
I somehow missed out trying/buying the HD595 and HD580s, I used to use two pairs HD600s for recording a few years back and pasted them on to friends. As of now I got lucky and found some HD590s off of eBay and they have a very similar sound signature to the HD600s and are just as easy to pair with various equipments. Cheers.
Great video mate, I still have a pair of HD 600 that I purchased in 1997 with the original box, when I moved years ago I forgot I had them. I visited Sennheiser HQ in the U.K. and they gave me new pads, cables and replacement Headband foam all for free, pretty cool. Have you tried their new IE900 yet? I am currently using Noble K10, I Sine 20 and custom 64 Audio A18t mainly with a Questyle QP2R, AK 70/Mojo, AK 380 Copper with Amp and Hugo 2. Enjoy your music and keep safe you and your family. Anthony
That's awesome. Not yet to try the IE900. Woul dlike to. How's the QP2R compared to other DAPs you have heard?
Wow, great review.
Great review & comparison. if you create chapters that would be better.
Thanks for the feedback. Will try to do this in the next video!
Just found your channel and have been browsing several videos. Love your comparisons. I own a clear MG which is super warm and velvety, and was thinking of the 600 as complementary. This video made me consider the Sundara, which in turn made me consider the Ananda as there is a local sale going on and it would be within my budget - but I’m not sure if that would be a different signature altogether. What would you recommend?
Hi, what do you think of the Dt 1990s in comparison to the Sundara. I got them and later decided to purchase a HD6xx for a more chill out pair that isn’t so fatiguing for studying or longer listening sessions and their mids specialty to somewhat complement the 1990. Is there any point in getting the Sundara if I have these two? I want to try a planar to add to my set not sure which one. Should I bother with the $300-400 range since I already have the 1990 which sounds similar to what you described (fast, clear, detail retrieval, airy, good bass, getting used to treble) or just save for the higher ones Ananda/LCD2C I heard are good?
Over a year later, did you decide to get the sundaras? If so, what are your thoughts? I also have the dt1990s currently but I was looking to get an arya or HE1000 stealth as a second headphone so I can switch between the two
Looks like I'm getting the Sundara's. But I hear the cable that comes with it is gargabe?
I can't stand the sharpness in these Hifiman headphones, I had to return the Arya because of that. The 600 / 650 are still the most popular audiophile headphones after 20+ years for a reason, they are just so enjoyable.
entry level , seriously? anyway , i loved the review!
Would the Sundara work well plugged straight into my phone (Pixel 4 XL)? My budget wouldn't stretch to getting a separate amp - so I'd love to know whether I'd be better off spending my money on higher quality headphones like these - or actually going with with cheaper ones (for example Sony XM4) that are designed to work without an amp. What would produce the better overall sound? Cheers!
I've been in the midst of finding a pair of open back headphones for a reasonable price. I decided on the sundaras and it seems they will require an amp. I bought an ifi hip dac 2 for its price and portability. I have the xm4s and they sound pretty good and crazy comfortable.
@@AYAmusicish thanks man. How do the Sundaras and XM4s compare? Is it night-and-day in overall sound quality?
@@bensherman1977 sound quality is a lot more detailed on sundaras but not saying the xm4s sound bad. Also, the sundaras sound open in comparison. I just received the sundaras so still feeling them out. The xm4s are definitely more comfortable.
I would say you would need an amp to hear the Sundaras properly
Great video brother....
Bangladesh headphone King..... 💕
Sundara and ifi hip dac 2 excellent combo
Very tempted but I think its better to save up for an Ananda or Edition XS if want to go for a Hifiman Headphone.
For you Edition Xs is better than Sundara?
6xx and sundara are perfect complimentary cans
The problems with Sundara that i love, are the weight , the circle pads , the quality control of Hifiman my first pair had left driver lower volume, the second pair had pads problem and cable , my New 2021 Sundara has different pads and works great ( already more than 400 hours) .
About Sundara vs HD 660s imaging , separation , timbre ,is better on 660s, Clarity , texture, soundstage are better on Sundara . Also HD 660s are smoother more orgnaic natural sound and Sundara more Digital Metalic sound .
By the way Sundara Thin Mebrane is very Air pressure sensitive depending the surrounding air pressure it sounds different, just move your hands close and far to the driver of Sundara and u get my point .
Yes, moving hands close and far has so much difference
@@zhuhang.jasper Yeap I know , thats why so many people have different XP depending the Sound Pressure of the air . For example they sound different in the mountain and different in the sea . Its sounds stupid but its true.
4:05 Music performance
Awesome review!
Also the sound problem is solved too!
Thanks!
Can someone help me with an answer that can determine me in purchasing the Sennheiser HD 600:
Can I drive them directly from headphone output of a dedicated sound card from my PC? (in my case M-Audio Revolution 5.1)
Thank you.
Just wondering out of these 3 what would be better for EDM music ?
I would think the HD 650 or the Sundara not the 600!
I tend to listen more than watch review videos while doing other things so I have no idea what "this one" is referring to.
Sundara vs ESP-95x. Which one is better for detail retrieval under $500?
Electrostatic will always win for detail, the air it's pushing weighs more than the diaphragm..
With sundara you will get great sound for 3 months, while with HD600/650 you will get great sound for a lifetime!
The only thing that made me choose my HD 6xx VS the Sundara was their shitty QC. Also, i really don't regret my choice, they sound amazing on amp+dac
Yup, I have heard that one before...
Can someone suggest me amp under 200 euros for Sundara? or If buy Fiio K5 Pro or K7 is okay also? Thank you!
Hello brother, as someone who owns and loves HD650 for the vocals and lows, would you recommend LCD-2C for my ears? I really don't like sharp treble
Yes thats the one for you
Thanks for the video.
I recommend either the 600 or 650 well over the Sundaras. The 6xx headphones are in a totally different league.
Are you deaf?
Thank you for the comparison, great review! After hearing the Sundara and the HD660 I got the HD660. Never heard the HD600 nor HD650. Do you think the HD600 or the HD650 would make a significant difference to them (HD660)? Do you think these are side grade or downgrade or even upgrade to the HD660? It seems to me that there are many who idolize either the HD600 or the 650, but the HD660 seems to be the stepchild for most... Thanks
Hello, I used to own the 660 as well. Overall, the 660 is a very capable headphone, but I think to a degree, it is more different than similar from the 600 and 650, which are close to each other. Most people buy the 650 and 600 for their midrange and vocal performance, so if that's your cup of tea, the 600 and 650 are still the headphones to get. Although the 660S is technically superior to the 600 and 650. Hope this helps. I will see if I can bring the 660s back and audition it again. :)
@@amplifyaudioreviews bur the difference in detail is just a little bit
I have all of them u can read my posts on Head fi forum . HD6 series are all organic smoother warmer headphones compare to Sundara . Between the HD 600 ,650,660s there are a lot to be said and compare but if u want me to tell it with some words then HD 600 is the most clear colder , HD 650 is the smoothest warmer of them all , and HD 660s is in the middle not cold like 600 not warm like 650 also HD 660s has the best imaging and separation of them all ( in the same league with Sundara) . So in my opinion there is no upgrade or downgrade , its all about your taste . Sundara for soundstage clearness imaging sepperation speed but colder and with artificial metalic feeling . HD 660s if u want something like Sundara but more smooth more organic with smaller in your head soundstage but also great imaging sepperation and speed.... And Last one HD 650 for the smoothest warmer of them all and 600 for the smallest soundstage and something natural and cold.
If i have to choose ONE then HD 660s because it has everything , and if i have to chose 2 of them Sundara and HD 650 because they are the most different .
@@Tripokaridos22 stop spamming
@@aqwandrew6330 Spamming ? I am helping people and this is spamming ?
Completely random question but do you EQ your headphones?
Sometimes but mostly not
I don´t know, I tested the Sundara and really wanted to like it. But it just wasn´t for me. I guess one gets dissapointed if a hyped product just doesn´t deliver. True, you can get used to the sound and try it with different amps or whatever. But that alone rules the headphone out for me. I don´t want to get used to something to start liking it, don´t want to play around with differnt equipment to start liking it. And if I just look at the vast amount of used cans offered everywhere, I think the Sundara is a pass.
We compared 2 Sennheisers in this price range to 1 Hifiman in this price range. The Dark Horse that no one talks about is the other Hifiman in this price range: the HE560 v4. The Sundara beats it in natural tonality and soundstage. In my opinion, the HE560 v4 beats the Sundara in everything else: impact, transients, deep bass, clarity, detail, accuracy, power, "meat on the bones", punch, slam, dynamics, imaging. Why is the HE560v4 a dark horse? Because the version before it had some issues they fixed up but it tainted the name of the 560, and because reviewers didn't take notice that it needs a better amp to work right. If you're interested in the 560v4, which you should be, just study up on reviewers and forums to find a good amp for it. That's not a con or disadvantage, because it will actually lead you into selecting a better amp for the same price you would have got a mediocre amp.
Cheers, enjoy your music!
which one is easy on the head ?
The HD600 and the 650, I would say.
HD 6 series are more comfortable , BUT pads and metal band need to brake in some hours. Use a pillow
The 650 has a tiny bit more foam in front of the driver otherwise they are the same headphone.
the frequency response is not the same ......
Good Review bud
Thanks!
It would be nice if you said the headphone name instead of "this" and "that" while you hold up the cans. Personally I listen to reviews while working. it's like asmr but I had a hard time following you when audio only.
Great comparison.
Sundaras are good value, especially if you want to get into planars. Exceptional detail retrieval and tuning but they are really better at orchestral, classical, and jazz, and they are not ideal for rock music. At least not compared to my DT 1990s which far outclass any of these headphones in punch, slam, and dynamics.
Yes, that's true.
DT1990 are not Open back are Semi Open thats why they go deeper , they are better in punch slam ( and soundstage ) but not on Dynamics ... Sundara and HD660s are better on that and sound more airy and way way more Natural than DT 1990 .
DT 1990 are AMAZING headphones to WORK with ( these spikes on highs help a lot to find mistakes on recordings) , but NOT to listen music . For listening music Focal Clear , Elex, Sundara, HD 6 series , Beyer Amiron Home , to me are way better .
I have all of them , amazing headphones but HD 660s is better for my taste .
What tube amp do you use with the 660s?
@@reeepicheep I am not using tubes anymore. I use ifi micro black , IfI nano when i want portable , i also use some others for my planars K5pro that are strong enough , and also i use a very powerfull hybrid from Harman Kardon an old one .
I had little dot but there was a noise that got me crazy so i sell it. I guess to have good tube amo dac u need over 1.000 euros.
Vocals on Sundara are thin and distant, always baffled when reviewers praise the vocals. Everything else is bang on !!!
@@TheSteve57 agree vocals are thin ( compared to HD 6 line ) overall Sundara are amazing ... what i dont like is the that some times they sound cold - metallic but ok i understand this is a trade off for the clarity .
@@Tripokaridos22 no point having clear rubbish !!!
No contest. Dynamics can’t compete anymore.
I think the future is planar. RIght now they just don't sound natural and balanced quite yet but they are technically more capable.
Edition XS sound dang natural to me. Environmental noises, imaging, soundstage are the most realistic I have heard in any headphone yet. The detail retrieval is insane. You will hear more details than you may even want lol
HD600 is stronger in microdynamic, much better timbre, and has more soul ultimately. You only touched Sundara's strengths, which is typical planar strength. But the Sundara is not a dynamic headphone. Feels flatter and harder to get emotion out of it.
And no, Sundara doesn't have more detail. Just that it throws detail at you more than the HD600. Just like all Hifimans. The HD600 is more subtle at showing off its details.
Totally agree on this hd600 has a better microdynamic , however the presentation is a bit better on the sundara due to the planar nature (they are more forward) however it loses the dynamic or “soul” feel, coming from someone who has dt880,hd600 and the sundara
if you had to choose two? would it be the sundara + 600? or sundara + 650?
Sundaras + HD 650 because they are the most dissimilar
More mid-fi please!
What headphones would you like to see being reviewed?
I dont think sundara have much detail in vocals. All the details are in the treble. Hd 650 have more details in vocals.
I sold my hd 650 and bought sundara. Now I miss it. Got to save up and buy hd650 again.
You're not alone😀 A lot of people regret getting rid of their HD600/650 series and end up buying another pair again. I've done it twice myself😀 I even know someone who has sold and bought the HD650 FOUR TIMES! There's so many "technically better" headphones on the market than the HD600/650, BUT at the end of the day music is all about Enjoyment. And with an amp/dac of their choice, some people (me included) find that there's simply no other headphones on earth that sound more pleasing to the ear, regardless of price.
DT 1990's are actually comparable to these in EU. Beyer missed the mark with US pricing which made them unpopular. Although it has a really serious 8k peak so it might be unusable without eq for some people but they still have a magic. Build is also phenomenal. Some say it's a budget Focal Clear.
The Sundara looks "steampunk" to me ...
I have both the HD600 & HD650 well over 10 years and many other headphones. I will say HD series is amp dependent. But, Been into the chifi iem scene last few years. I have well over a dozen iem's at this point. In my opinion I would say a $50 mele iem outperforms a HD series headphone. The musicality you can get for a Mele or Olina is astounding. If you move up to a monarch or clairvoyance the are superior to the HD series. But both the monarch and Clair are $700 bucks.
for mixing do you prefer hd600 or hd650 ?
I am sort of in the same boat here. Been playing with Chi Fi IEM's but since I wear headphones 12+ hours per day for work and play I need a headphone to actually wear over the ear. Recently the Truth Ear Zero came out and it is quite amazing for $50. The bass slam and presence is up there with my Edition XS and this is with no tuning. I actually am finding I prefer the intimate sound stage it seems "easier" to listen to the details and get the feeling of the music. Music is being injected into you, rather than being absorbed... if that makes sense. You can tell these IEM's are not on the same level of detail retrieval and technicalities that the XS can offer or even the HD 560S. It is about the same resolution as DT 770 Pro 80ohm but holds together much better at higher volumes. It just makes me think... are IEM's really just the way to go here? A $50 IEM has me second guessing a $500 set of headphones with $150 amp.... I can drive this IEM with my iPhone. WTF
Bought the hd660s2 bc I thought it would be a big improvement after all those years in the making of hd 6 series. Nope they are still shit and overprice.
HD580.
HD650 beats Sundara with comfort (lighter) and sound (unfatiguing and beautiful). Sundara makes me cringe when sound gets loud, with HD650 I want to blast and float away.
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Sundara VS 660 is what you were looking for. 600 & 650 have terrible soundstages.
True.
There is NO terrible Soundstage its just Big , Small or Normal Soundstage ... Big soundstage doesnt mean better !!!
Sundara have bigger soundstage than 660s . HD6 soundstage its like that HD660>HD650>600 but all of them are like in front of you , thats something amazing for vocals ... If u need Orchestra Headphones u Can Choose HD 660s for imaging and separation but small soundstage ... Or go with Ananda , HD 700, HD800 , DT1990, DT 990, AKG 712 pro , Philips X2 , and many other options that have big soundstage .
@@Tripokaridos22 Wrong, HD600 is terrible for gaming, because of it's narrow, unnatural soundstage shape that doesn't reflect how 3D space or imaging sounds(which most headphones and IEMs can't do well). Larger and spherical sounds the most natural, and therefore best, to me.
@@x-techgaming Let me tell u again ... there is NO terrible soundstage. For gaming u need Big Soundstage and great imaging ... But for Music is something else . HD 600 are not gaming Headphones are made for music and Vocals . Big Soundstage its NOT good for stereo music and Vocals everyone knows that , and thats why HD 600 are LEGENDS for Music and Vocals . So if u Need a Gaming headphone like i said Look for gaming headphone and NOT Audiophile Headphone for music .
@@Tripokaridos22 So HD800 and SR-009 are 2 of the worst music headphones because of their amazing, huge soundstage? A terrible soundstage is a small one that doesn't sound natural, simple as that. Sorry if you disagree. And there are no "gaming headphones" that sound anywhere near as open/wide or good as hifi headphones, so you are also confused there. I had an HD600 for 4-5 years. I know how they sound, and HD660 is a huge improvement in soundstage size, shape, and naturalness.