Roy Buchanan - Too Good For The Stones?

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  • The Roy Buchanan Story. This week, we're doing a deep dive into the life and tragic death of Roy Buchanan, and exploring every step he took to becoming the world's greatest unknown guitarist. Kindly like and subscribe - it really helps this channel a lot. I do appreciate it!
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  • @guitarmeetsscience
    @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +5

    Smack that like button like a hot wet chicken on a summer day and join the family and subscribe. You truly rock!

    • @Gratefulman1965
      @Gratefulman1965 5 місяців тому +1

      Subscribed! 🎶

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      @Gratefulman1965 🤘🤘 Thank you so much!

    • @trulylynn9941
      @trulylynn9941 5 місяців тому +2

      I love Roy Buchanan! Most of us more seasoned people out here know who he is. Good stuff people. 👍🏼😘

  • @johnrbrownjr7380
    @johnrbrownjr7380 5 місяців тому +37

    I got to see Roy in the early 80's in a bar in Minneapolis, sat not more than 20feet away and was blown away by his love for playin. I was also fortunate enough to get his autograph that night as well -- incredible soul

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      That is pretty darn cool if I must say so myself! Playing like that in small venues is a double treat for anybody in there enjoying it. That guy obviously put on one hell of a show.

    • @andyc5392
      @andyc5392 5 місяців тому +1

      What bar was that? I saw Muddy Waters at the Union Bar just a couple months before he passed away…

    • @johnrbrownjr7380
      @johnrbrownjr7380 5 місяців тому

      @@andyc5392 it was at the union bar down in the basement if I remember correctly

  • @Dan-ez6dr
    @Dan-ez6dr 5 місяців тому +16

    I saw Roy 3 times in the 70s and 80s in Houston. The 2nd time was a small venue club in downtown, the ticket said
    "Roy Buchanan, Extreme Guitar Wizard". I still have the ticket. He was exactly that. RIP Roy

    • @davidmarks5400
      @davidmarks5400 Місяць тому

      I may have been at one of those gigs-it was a small venue downtown. I was new to the Houston area so this must have been in 79 and was a big fan of Roy. He was playing that white black guard tele that night. Sorry to say,he wasn't on fire that night,and I was a little disappointed. I was expecting what i heard on his "Livestock" album.

  • @cobar5342
    @cobar5342 5 місяців тому +22

    He was great to the highest degree.
    I have all his works and had the good fortune to have seen him twice here in Australia
    On each occasion the guitarists in the crowd found their jaws hitting the floor

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      That had to have been awesome to see him live - that phrasing - Man he could phrase like nobody else.

  • @JustanOlGuy
    @JustanOlGuy 5 місяців тому +17

    Great to see Roy get some love, he is a guitar god!

  • @sammyrothrock6981
    @sammyrothrock6981 5 місяців тому +32

    Best Telecaster country blues player ever!

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +3

      No doubt about it!

    • @markv.5962
      @markv.5962 5 місяців тому +5

      @@guitarmeetsscience Danny Gatton. Yes it is debateable

    • @maxwellfan55
      @maxwellfan55 5 місяців тому +2

      @@markv.5962 Danny was Roy's understudy.

    • @markv.5962
      @markv.5962 5 місяців тому +2

      @@maxwellfan55 i know

    • @maxwellfan55
      @maxwellfan55 5 місяців тому

      @@markv.5962 Danny was incredible x.

  • @Gratefulman1965
    @Gratefulman1965 5 місяців тому +22

    Guys like Roy Buchanan, Danny Gatton, Jimmy Bryant, Allan Holdsworth. That is the real talent! I’m always going to beer joints and off the path places because that’s where these Geniuses exist. Many out there now we do not know of.🎶

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +3

      Absolutely agreed - oftentimes that's where you find the serious players.

    • @Gratefulman1965
      @Gratefulman1965 5 місяців тому +2

      @@guitarmeetsscience Yes indeed.

    • @sammyrothrock6981
      @sammyrothrock6981 5 місяців тому +2

      I totally agree with your choices along with Jeff Beck

    • @beautynotstatic2419
      @beautynotstatic2419 5 місяців тому

      Don't get the title. Roy was too good for many bands. The Stones were not even close.

    • @vincentl.9469
      @vincentl.9469 4 місяці тому

      @@Gratefulman1965 Roy and Danny Gatton were about as good as anyone who picked up a Tele..not sure about the story of Roy possibly joining the Stones. I doubt he would have fitted in. To be in a band like that, it's about more than being a good player

  • @arottie4097
    @arottie4097 5 місяців тому +17

    W0W! Too me, Mr Buchanan was "The true master of the telecaster!"

  • @vegardyrnes1793
    @vegardyrnes1793 5 місяців тому +7

    I am in love with Buchanan´s sound and feel. He truly is one of the greatest guitar-players ever!

  • @jackiedixon5076
    @jackiedixon5076 5 місяців тому +12

    Roy was trully one of the greats. His feeling for songs was mesmerizing.

  • @DasDutchman56
    @DasDutchman56 Місяць тому +2

    A Girlfriend of mine in High School was from College Park Md. She introduced me to Roy Buchanan in 1972 and I was blown away! We saw him live at a Church in Evanston Il. Hearing Roy Live was a highlight of my Life. Thank you Suzie Boyle !

  • @fredskolnick1183
    @fredskolnick1183 5 місяців тому +11

    He was an amazing musician! It's sad he left us so young!

  • @maxwellfan55
    @maxwellfan55 5 місяців тому +4

    This is a glowing and respectful tribute to Roy Buchanan. Thank you, from England.
    He's the guitarist I always turn to when thinking of the best, the one who went further, wider and deeper than any, even Hendrix.
    Britain had the magic of Green, Beck, Clapton, Taylor, so many others. America, the home of countless great guitar players had Roy, who devoted his life on earth to the thing he did best.
    Those who know, will always love and admire Roy Buchanan.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you very much I appreciate it! There must be something in the tea there because my goodness the level of talent coming from Britain is just insane. I'm a huge Guthrie Govan fan. But we definitely have some winners too, not the least being Roy and Danny Gatton. Cheers from the US!

    • @peterbartolomeo5542
      @peterbartolomeo5542 5 місяців тому +2

      BRAVO. I read every word. I absolutely agree Roy is the top of the pyramid. No one I've ever heard is as talented or as masterful Roy never disappoints. He's able to create any sound desired with his Telecaster. No gimmicks no whammy bar no pedals no distortion. I place him far above Hendrix Clapton or anyone. He influenced so many. The Stones are iconic ...I love the Stones ...but Roy was on another level.

    • @maxwellfan55
      @maxwellfan55 5 місяців тому +1

      @@peterbartolomeo5542 Agree. A big part of Roy's magic was using tones only from the bare bones of his Tele, his Fender amp and his fingers. Just some reverb.
      It's said "you can hide anywhere playing a Telecaster". Roy didn't.
      Many guitar players could learn from this.
      Peace.

  • @1satisfiedmind
    @1satisfiedmind 5 місяців тому +16

    A lifelong fan since '74,
    introducing many friends to Roy's music. I'm always up for a new video on Roy, the 1st to break my heart, followed by Stevie Ray, when he took his life. The Stones rumor was started by Roy, but to my knowledge, this has never been confirmed by the Stones, and an early documentary on Roy has an interviewee saying Roy told many tall tales. Like all your content, this is a GREAT video,

    • @JustanOlGuy
      @JustanOlGuy 5 місяців тому +1

      Saw SRV live twice,.None better in my eyes and ears.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you kindly! Yeah, it seems that Roy could spin a pretty good tall tale... Part of me would think that he would have been a bit wild for the stones to even consider, but then again he definitely was good enough for sure. I really appreciate your take - always great to meet a fellow Roy fan. Thank you again!

    • @dog-dx9pd
      @dog-dx9pd 5 місяців тому +6

      SRV did not take his own life, he died in a helicopter crash in WI.

    • @AndrewPhotoKing
      @AndrewPhotoKing 5 місяців тому

      @@dog-dx9pd He meant that Roy B did.

  • @66tas95
    @66tas95 Місяць тому +1

    Very well put together video on the life and history of Roy's contributions to music. Well done sir.

  • @MrJasonbushey
    @MrJasonbushey 5 місяців тому +6

    Most underrated guitar player ever

  • @mr.b4444
    @mr.b4444 5 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for this outstanding video. I'm from NY and first heard about Roy in the early 70's when my mom told me there was some guy on TV playing guitar. What was airing on TV was the documentary "Roy Buchanan The Greatest Unknown Guitarist In The World." I was around 14 or so then and was just learning to play guitar. I had a cassette recorder and placed the microphone next to the TV so that I could record it and try to learn from it. That's how many of us learned back then. Roy made an indelible impression on my playing. Today I play straight jazz and bebop but my roots are in the blues. I could always listen to Roy and it may shed a tear or two as it is now.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for your kind words as well as your excellent breakdown on how Roy impacted you're playing. Oh yes - I know that tape recorder in front of the TV haha, when Van Halen's jump premiered I did the same exact thing. Then invited all my friends over and we listen to this noisy airy version but loved it either way. Roy's playing and tone really was ahead of its time.

  • @ArickReeder
    @ArickReeder 5 місяців тому +11

    I've been a fan of Roy's since 1988 and a very nice doc sir, but James Dean died in 1955. That being said, thanks for making people aware of who Roy is. He was an incredible and original musician. I feel the same way about Danny Gatton; maybe that should be a future project, but once again, I have to say excellent job, sir.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      Thank you very much! And thanks for the clarification - I think it was just the placement of where I said what I said about Dean in context with everything else. Yep, I covered Danny two videos back. That was a really fun one to do that's why I thought this time around it would be interesting to cover Roy. The parallels between those two is actually pretty freaky. Of course they're playing styles were so different from one another which is nice too because one could enjoy two different styles of telecaster mastery. I really appreciate your comment!

    • @AndyThomas_mrblitz
      @AndyThomas_mrblitz 5 місяців тому +1

      @@guitarmeetsscience yes, their playing styles differed, but they both played teles... both great... sometimes watching and listening to you, i wondered if you were a buchanan fan from way back... well it was the other way around; when i finally saw/heard buchanan, i wondered if you had been a fan...

  • @TheRange7
    @TheRange7 5 місяців тому +4

    Wow, this is over the top well done. Thank you

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      I really really appreciate it - thank you so much!

  • @goldwingerppg5953
    @goldwingerppg5953 5 місяців тому +13

    We had a guitar player Danny Gatton in the DC area that was the closest to Roy Buchanan talent I’ve heard and unfortunately die prematurely too. I believe they had played together. I saw Roy Buchanan around 1976 at the Warner Theater in DC and he was incredibly.

    • @scottarivett496
      @scottarivett496 5 місяців тому +3

      DG was a stud no doubt. Didn’t really like the full time on the road lifestyle. Preferred being at home working on cars. He was an ace mechanic. Multi talented guy.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      Oh yeah! I covered him two videos back. Excellent player!

    • @goldwingerppg5953
      @goldwingerppg5953 5 місяців тому

      @@scottarivett496 I used to work at the Childe Harold in the 70’s and remember Danny Gatton and the Fat Boys used to play there a lot.

    • @danrease7505
      @danrease7505 5 місяців тому

      Saw Gatton while tending bar at the King of France Tavern in Annapolis couldn’t focus on work it was so incredible?

    • @davidwalker5054
      @davidwalker5054 3 місяці тому +2

      Danny and Roy were never going to be household names they didn,t go in for the stupid. Look at me I'm a guitar God poses. They didn,t fit the profile. Danny walked on stage looking and dressed like he,d come to fix the roof. And I've seen clips of Roy on stage looking and dressed like your geography teacher they might be unknown to the masses but today's lesser guitar gods are very aware of what they could do

  • @ericheine2414
    @ericheine2414 5 місяців тому +9

    I knew Roy Buchanan. For about a week in 1974 he came into our recording studio with Bob Johnston. They were recording at the record plant in Sausalito California. Roy was quiet and very serious. I was a 15 year old studio rat. At the same time they were recording in Sausalito they were recording at Sky Blue Studio in Sonoma California 128 4th Street. A 16 track Studio and you could stay all week for $500. As opposed to the Record Plant that was $500 an hour and you had to book in blocks of eight. A small Studio allows the artist a much more relaxed atmosphere where they can be themselves and feel comfortable doing another take. Roy was very quiet and he said thank you with his eyes. Bob Johnston was all about letting the artist be himself and capturing the signal. Bob recorded Dylan.
    I said to Bob "Dylan was so good anybody could have recorded him." Johnston said to me " I did it and I didn't fuck it up." I looked him straight in the eye and said "Oh my God that's the perfect answer." We both started laughing because the idea is to capture the artist and not interfere with their creative process." I saw the studio logs for Nashville Skyline every single song except for two was done in one take. That's how good Dylan was at 24. That's what made Dylan. Dylan made Dylan. He chose to be Bob Dylan. Bob Johnston captured him on tape, magnetic ink.
    You can learn more through listening than talking.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      Absolutely one great share! Thank you for that comment. That's the kind of producer that really can bring out people's talent, by letting them be themselves. That's why those albums don't pale in comparison to the live performances. Some groups it's almost like they take the magic and hide it behind production trying to make it sound too slick. To be at those sessions must have been awesome.

    • @ericheine2414
      @ericheine2414 5 місяців тому +3

      @@guitarmeetsscience Also Bob was the first one to teach me about the Sonic landscape. Which is creating a depth of field in sound similar to the illusion of linear perspective in a painting or a photograph. It's a two-dimensional representation of something that's occurring in three dimensions. Johnston taught me about sorting by transducer. Oh yes degauss your tape deck and clean it, and bias it.
      But you also sort your signal by transducer both on the input and the output side of the board. No you can't fix anything in the mix. If you do it right you don't have to fix it. Fender leads with a Gibson middle, a Fender P Bass, and Ludwig Drums. They practically sort themselves. The old men knew what they were doing.
      Choose the right mics with the right frequency responses. The bass goes out through 15 inch speakers, Rhythm goes out through 12-inch speakers, Leads go out through 10-inch speakers- they practically sort themselves. Jon Landau wants me to listen to some playback of Bruce Springsteen. I told him "It's loud at both ends and it's flat in the middle." I actually had to explain it to him. The depth of field, the drums should sound like they're off in the distance like the mountains, the Rhythm and bass should be closer, and the leads and vocals should be closer still and more personal. It's like the illusion of linear perspective. You're creating a depth of field." He looks at me like I was from outer space. I was a 16 years old and had to be back at high school for 4th and 5th period -1975. People don't understand sound they put these tiny little earbuds in their ears and that eliminates the outer ear- the outer ear is what processes the signal.
      It's about sorting and clarity.
      Yes Sennheiser makes great headphones. Kids nowadays don't even know what stereo is. The closest thing they're going to get to High Fidelity is the sound system in the car. So mix down for a sound system in a car. What makes a picket fence a picket fence is the space between the pickets.

  • @SonicGrace
    @SonicGrace 5 місяців тому +5

    Awesome , this is interesting :)

  • @lugeroaccordion9957
    @lugeroaccordion9957 5 місяців тому +5

    Awesome stuff 👍👍

  • @HC_GUITAR
    @HC_GUITAR 5 місяців тому +1

    I remember hearing his instrumental version of "Sweet Dreams" when i was a kid and was blown away by how he made that tele sing! He was such a maverick and another one of the guys who was ahead of his time. A shame he never got the recognition his massive talent deserved. Awesome work Jimmy!! 👋👋👋😎

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Hey Hugh my brother from Scotland! Sweet dreams is an amazing piece of work of his. He really did make that thing sing. I hear that in your playing as well - glad to know somebody who could do that kind of stuff. Thanks for the kind words brother Hope you're doing well!

  • @NoCoverCharge
    @NoCoverCharge 5 місяців тому +6

    That’s a good thing the best thing about great bands is not what they can play but what they can’t ! It’s those limitations that make them what they are

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That's also a very good point!

    • @JackB-v2z
      @JackB-v2z 5 місяців тому

      As a wood worker , I'd rather make a good picnic table , than a shitty kitchen table . I hear you !

  • @ChrisCovin-ne8ll
    @ChrisCovin-ne8ll 5 місяців тому +1

    Was Blessed to see Roy Twice in Austin Texas in the 70,s Never seen anyone who Touch His Talent an Level 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      I'll bet he tore down the house! That guy's phrasing was out of this world!

  • @markglaser7318
    @markglaser7318 5 місяців тому +2

    I saw Roy 3 times in small venues remarkable. Volume swells pinch harmonics fretting higher than the frets go toward the pickups! Influenced Jeff Beck!!! One of the best!

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That had to be really cool to see him live. You nailed it, and that really high up fretting was freaking awesome

  • @NunnayaR2B
    @NunnayaR2B 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you
    You're not alone
    Was the first I got acquainted to his work/art; 1977 at about 11 years old.
    I have been curious about him, I looked for that album over the years, and I found some of his stuff here on UA-cam.
    Very nice, also informative presentation.
    Thank you

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Thanks Jacqueline!! Roy was one of a kind - he had a really interesting approach to playing solos as well which I find fascinating.

  • @Mncrr
    @Mncrr 5 місяців тому +46

    Mick Taylor was too good for the stones. Saw a Jeff beck interview a while back where he told of having been asked to replace Brian jones and he turned them down because he couldn’t see himself playing three chord R&B the rest of his career. He also said that it was the worst financial decision he ever made.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +3

      Oh wow! Yeah I could see that, sometimes the best musical decisions are the worst financial ones lol. Thank you for that comment!

    • @edwinwise6751
      @edwinwise6751 5 місяців тому +9

      The stones have their strengths , let it bleed, beggars banquet, exile on Main Street…. But they suck live, one of the worst . The only real musician in the band was Charlie Watts who was music school trained jazz musician . He was in large measure the reason for their success. Kieth Richards is a half Witt who plays open tunings on 5 strings and jagger is no vocalist

    • @Mncrr
      @Mncrr 5 місяців тому +4

      @@edwinwise6751 harsh but pretty accurate. I used to laugh when they said the Beatles weren’t a great live band and the stones were. Listen to live Beatles before the suits and 2 minute songs they kicked ass. Lennon said by the time they hit America they were not allowed to really play the way they did in 62-63 in the clubs. And first time mick Taylor played with the stones he couldn’t believe how bad they were in practice.

    • @plane_guy6051
      @plane_guy6051 5 місяців тому +2

      I read that Mick Taylor said when he first played with the Stones, he was surprised at what poor musicians they were considering how popular they'd become. He also said he quit not just because the music was beneath his abilities, but also because of the drug situation, which I take it he meant Richards.

    • @Mncrr
      @Mncrr 5 місяців тому +2

      @@plane_guy6051 he actually became an addict himself. Remember he was 5-6 years younger than those guys, basically a kid. And yes only watts was exceptional although Brian could play half a dozen instruments adequately.

  • @ricksmith7881
    @ricksmith7881 5 місяців тому +4

    One of the greatest

  • @warrenallsopp
    @warrenallsopp 5 місяців тому +1

    I had the privilege of catching Roy in concert at the Sydney Town Hall, Australia, in 1980 or 81. He was incredible & I smiled for weeks afterwards. It was a similar set on his "Live in Japan" album, so that will give you a good idea of where he was at, at the time. I was shocked to read of his suspicious passing some years later, given that the cops were involved. The world lost a giant, long before his time.

  • @michaelpatterson1736
    @michaelpatterson1736 5 місяців тому +3

    Thank you !

  • @hoop440
    @hoop440 5 місяців тому +1

    I became a fan of Roy in the early seventies when I was around 13 years old and i was fortunate enough to see him 3 times and met him in around 84 or 85. He was a different cat and did the best harmonics ever

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That is awesome - I wish Roy found a bigger audience. Seeing him live must have been pretty awesome!

  • @musicdreamerish
    @musicdreamerish 5 місяців тому +1

    One of my heroes. I even switched from a strat to a tele for a little while because of Roy.

  • @GlennShortell
    @GlennShortell 5 місяців тому +4

    Saw him in a little club in Roslyn N.Y. in the late 1970s so far under the radar!

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That had to be really cool to see him in a small club. The guy put on one hell of a show!

    • @lazlo5971
      @lazlo5971 5 місяців тому +2

      My father's place! Seen many shows there

  • @speedysmith1617
    @speedysmith1617 Місяць тому +1

    check out the song titled " The Choking Kind'" from the Alligator record Genuine house Rockin Music, vol. 2. its so damn good. By far my favorite verison of the song and a masterpiece showcasing his guitar playing right from the very first note of the record. Also his apperance on Austin City LImits is a must see for those wanting to watch this man and his skills on his beloved 1953 TeleCaster. RIP ROY.

  • @marvinbush9330
    @marvinbush9330 5 місяців тому +1

    Roy Buchanan. What an enigma. I just don't know what to say about him. I don't have any recordings by him in my collection but I know of him, and I know that I want recordings of his and that I should have them. Also, I admire his abilities so much. I can't imagine how someone with so much talent could be kept down for so long. If I had one half of his ability I'd swear I was the greatest guitarist on the planet.🎸🎼

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Roy was definitely amazing and really ahead of his time. The guitar tones he was getting on those early albums sounded much more transparent and polished like you would hear and later recordings of other guitar players. Really is such a shame he didn't get his due when he was around. Hoping to spread the word now.

  • @petermiller3774
    @petermiller3774 Місяць тому +5

    Roy is better than Keith Richard's by 100x. Roy is on God level

  • @markobrien690
    @markobrien690 4 місяці тому +1

    Saw Roy in '76 at the Harvard Sq. theater. He played a with one hand better than many could with two.
    He proved by chugging a pint of Cutty Sark or JB scotch wll tearing it up with the other hand.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  4 місяці тому

      Haha yeah I could see that! The guy could bring down the house!

  • @Fender73472
    @Fender73472 5 місяців тому +3

    Saw Roy play at the great American music hall SF 1978 good show 😊The messiah will come .

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That had to be one awesome experience seeing him live!

  • @donnadubyak6504
    @donnadubyak6504 5 місяців тому +2

    Saw Roy quite a bit in 74, 75, 76 about 8 times. Sometimes at small colleges, once at a racetrack in Ohio.

  • @The-Contractor
    @The-Contractor 5 місяців тому +2

    A few absolute monsters of the guitar tend to get left out of the "great guitarist" conversations for some unknown reason(s). Roy Buchanan and Rory Gallagher immediately come to mind.

    • @TGriffiths-ve6nw
      @TGriffiths-ve6nw 5 місяців тому

      I saw both Roy and Rory performances in the same year back in the 70s in the same university auditorium.
      Rory was the first concert and it was fire! The energy and performance from Rory was electrifying and to Rory it was obviously all about giving the audience more than their money's worth. It truly was a "Shitkick Party" just like his song of the same name. Such a down to earth man not to mention fantastic guitar player and performer.
      I saw Roy about a year later in the same auditorium and though he was an incredible technical guitar player it was more of a guitar clinic than a concert performance .
      I already knew about him and how great he was so I wasn't surprised at his skill but the performance part was pretty much non-existent.
      He just got up there and played and the band just backed him up. As a concert it was uninspiring but as a guitar clinic it was over the top but in general the audience were not too impressed. They wanted an exciting show and didn't get it.
      One thing that I still remember after close to 50 years is that he broke a string in the middle of a long highly technical solo and he didn't miss a beat and changed that string in record time in the most nonchalant manner that you could imagine. It's funny the things that you remember after all of those years.😮

  • @whitneylake2107
    @whitneylake2107 5 місяців тому +2

    There was no mention of "Loading Zone" which is a phenomenal album ! If memory serves, it was produced by Stanley Clarke. The first track on the first side, "In The Heat Of The Battle", is extraordinary !

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Good call, and great choice! Some of Roy's finest playing. Thanks for that!

  • @briancoyne8815
    @briancoyne8815 5 місяців тому +1

    I saw Roy about 5 times in the 70’s. “Live Stock” remains one of my favorite live albums. Billy Price is still singing…I have probably seen him perform at least 15 times. Check out his recent collaborations with French guitarist Fred Chapellier (a Roy devotee).

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That is awesome - must have been great to see him live. I will definitely have to check out this collaborations as well Thanks for let me know!

  • @jeffunderwood6235
    @jeffunderwood6235 5 місяців тому +4

    Seen him on night flight early 80's. Amazing and cotton under his e string was I guess his thing

    • @tchrisou812
      @tchrisou812 5 місяців тому +3

      Ah man, I'm jealous of that experience. What was the cotton for, do you think?

    • @jeffunderwood6235
      @jeffunderwood6235 5 місяців тому +3

      @@tchrisou812 night flight was a TV program back in the 80's so I didn't see him live. He said it was for buzzing strings

    • @tchrisou812
      @tchrisou812 5 місяців тому

      @@jeffunderwood6235 Oh ok,buzzing strings, that makes sense. I'd love to find the video for that. If I can I'll post it here.

  • @ExtremelyRightWing
    @ExtremelyRightWing 5 місяців тому +3

    Great channel

  • @robertzemko6590
    @robertzemko6590 5 місяців тому +1

    Saw Buchanan in early 1981 at a club here in Hamilton Ontario Canada, Saw him earlier in the night walking downtown carrying a guitar case and wearing a trench coat, walked over to the venue and waited...forever, Buchanan finally showed up on stage at about 11.40pm! had his head down for the whole show, didn't address the audience from what I remember, could care less. Played for a little over an hour and that was it, over. A good guitar player but sure had his issues. That's what I am here for and Loading Zone are my favorite lp's from him. He would never had been remotely right for the Stones, had an entirely different style. Mick Taylor was perfect.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      That is very cool! That sounds about like Roy - he just did what he wanted. Still though, it must have been awesome to see him live. I agree - he wouldn't have mixed it up too well with the guys in the stones that is for sure.

  • @TheRealDrJoey
    @TheRealDrJoey 5 місяців тому +3

    I worked at a theater years ago where we booked Roy. I could tell you a lot of stories about that gig, but who knows if the statute of limitations has kicked in yet?
    I will report that as part of the stage set up he demanded a Fender Twin and two SM58s, both of which I happen to own.
    After that particularly memorable show I walked him out to his car, and the last thing he said to me was, "Kid, never sell that amp."
    When I went to roll my amp off the stage, everything except tremolo was set on 10.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Damn! That must be one hell of a great piece of gear!

    • @TheRealDrJoey
      @TheRealDrJoey 5 місяців тому

      @@guitarmeetsscience '63, with JBLs, bought it from a guy in Detroit in 1975.
      A few other notables used it--Doc Watson LOVED it, and commented about it during one show, which was a little thrill for me. After the show, Doc and I traded guitars--he played my Gibson and I his Gallagher, and I got to jam with Doc Watson for a little while!
      That was a fun place to work. A couple years ago I found out our sound guy was now working at Ryman Auditorium.

  • @leeinoregon1326
    @leeinoregon1326 5 місяців тому +1

    My favorite ever, I got to see Roy many times in DC and elsewhere. There were a lot of great DC guitarists, but Roy was my favorite. That story about the Stones offer is a myth though, as are a lot of Roy stories.

  • @grouchosays
    @grouchosays 5 місяців тому +1

    I saw Roy in concert in Tampa at Skipper’s Smokehouse

  • @PleaseNThankYou
    @PleaseNThankYou 5 місяців тому +1

    I haven't heard Buchanan since I owned a record player. At least 30-35 years ago. I probably still have the album in a box. I should find that box.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      I could imagine Roy on vinyl in the headphones - that would have to be completely sublime. His tone was literally way ahead of its time.

    • @PleaseNThankYou
      @PleaseNThankYou 5 місяців тому +1

      @guitarmeetsscience waaay ahead. By about 20 years. Actually, not having seen him play before now, I would say that many young guns now utilize the style Buchanan had. I say 'had', might be 'has'. I lot of old musicians out there still. He would be... 86-87?? I just saw Dave Mason at the Graceland Live venue on Elvises property. March 30, 2024. Great performance. He's 78, I think.

  • @Thedoug369
    @Thedoug369 5 місяців тому +2

    Roy Buchanan might have been the Tele Master, but Danny Gatton was the true Master of the Telecaster. RIP Roy and Danny 🙏

  • @amraceway
    @amraceway 5 місяців тому +1

    I saw him live when he came to Australia, but the volume was so deafening you couldn't hear him play. Fabulous guitar player though.

  • @thescarletandgrey2505
    @thescarletandgrey2505 5 місяців тому +1

    Guy was a LEGEND in his own right. Not “too good” for the Stones imo, just probably best doing his own thing. God rest his awesome soul

  • @jemrock1441
    @jemrock1441 5 місяців тому +3

    🎸👏👏👏

  • @philodonoghue3062
    @philodonoghue3062 5 місяців тому +1

    Rory Gallagher was asked to audition for the Rolling Stones. Spent a couple of days with them, got fed up waiting for Keith Richard’s being near- comatose on smack, he went off to his already scheduled tour of Japan - Rory had his ‘top priority’ ie his searing performances on stage

  • @Davek-p8k
    @Davek-p8k 5 місяців тому +3

    Think heaven. Roy B

  • @reddrockingeezer
    @reddrockingeezer 5 місяців тому +1

    I was in college from the fall of 1970 until the spring of 1974. I remember having 2 Roy Buchanan albums. I wanted instrumental albums then because he was such a killer on the guitar; but I always felt he was a weak singer and I would have preferred straight guitar.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Interesting - that very well could have been his downfall as well. Unlike SRV, or Gary Moore, his stuff was not strong on the vocal delivery. It kind of makes it to where it's only a niche for guitarists. Thanks for sharing that!

  • @gordiannot77
    @gordiannot77 5 місяців тому +1

    Roy♥️

  • @Rikktor123
    @Rikktor123 5 місяців тому +2

    There's an account, not sure apocryphal or not, that Keith Richards and Eric Clapton pissed in Roy's beer at some concert or studio session for either turning them down, or by some accounts, starting up the rumor that he had been asked by The Stones to join the band, which may itself be apocryphal. At any rate, Roy is probably good enough to stir up insecurity and envy among Clapton and Richards, I would trade both for Roy any day myself. Long live the master of the telecaster.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Damn - if that's true that is terrible! I wouldn't put it past them.

  • @robertross9074
    @robertross9074 5 місяців тому +1

    Whether he was "too good for the Stones" is not part of the known reason he turned them down. It was because the Stones made it clear every song would list only Jagger and Richards as the writers or the owners of their songs. This meant no one in the Stones could own the "paper" or songs other than those two. Mick Taylor ran into this and it is why he eventually quit the band. Richards is well known for not recognizing the writing of the other guitar players in the band. They also removed Brian Jones from any writing credits after Brian died. The exceptions are covers and a few written for them by songwriters.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      That is a really good take. I didn't even know that about the stones, some interesting history right there.

  • @Zotbot2329
    @Zotbot2329 5 місяців тому +1

    The man could strangle a tele alright.

  • @christopherallen9580
    @christopherallen9580 5 місяців тому +1

    I saw Roy perform at a Baltimore nightclub less than a week before he died.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Wow! It must have been a great show though. From what I understand he only got better and better.

    • @christopherallen9580
      @christopherallen9580 5 місяців тому +1

      @@guitarmeetsscience It was a great show. The Smithereens played on the same bill.

  • @sammyrothrock6981
    @sammyrothrock6981 5 місяців тому +4

    Crooked Cop cover up !

  • @discernment8963
    @discernment8963 5 місяців тому +3

    Absolutely! As was Jeff Beck when he turned down their offer. That's putting it RIDICULOUSLY lightly!
    Without question Jagger/Richards wrote some of RnR's all time catchiest tunes. That said (and I love the Stones), putting Keith Richards in the Top Axemen mix with the Beck's, Hendrix, Page's etc technical ability wise is beyond FUCKING moronic.

  • @byronbuchanan3066
    @byronbuchanan3066 5 місяців тому +1

    Proud Buchanan.

  • @alanwebbguitar
    @alanwebbguitar 5 місяців тому +1

    I knew his son David. Died the same way his father did unfortunately. Life can be hard for some at times.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Oh goodness - I did not know that. Thanks for sharing that. Maybe they both rest in peace.

    • @alanwebbguitar
      @alanwebbguitar 5 місяців тому

      @@guitarmeetsscience yes, I used to call him Bucky. He gave me a couple of bootleg CDs from Japan from his father. The music was very focused and intense. The Japanese audience, of course, is somewhat subdued So the whole group was just kicking ass.

  • @Rikk_Klaww777
    @Rikk_Klaww777 5 місяців тому +1

    Guys like Roy, Danny, Albert Lee, Beck, Scotty Moore and maybe some i missed, made a Telecaster..."sound like a Telecaster".! It has such a distinct sound like how a 335, Mustang, Danelectro, Baritones, Certain Strats have their own distinct sound. These days the Telecaster sounds like a hybrid sound "of sorts". Its blown out so much to not being what it used to be and sound like. I guess its evolution, but give me those a/m players anyday over the ones nowdays that glorify the Telecaster but can never be the legends...PERIOD.!

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      I would take a classic Tele any day over modern ones. And not for the antique value or anything like that, just simply the sound. They sound great!

  • @DeeveOnYT
    @DeeveOnYT 5 місяців тому +2

    One of the only concerts I walked out of, due to ice-pick tone, and painful volume. Regrettably, I've never been able to appreciate this guy's artistry - prob my fault. 😢

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      His tone on albums was pretty damn incredible. I'm sure he sounded awesome live at least 85% of the time by all accounts I'm getting here in the comments. But he definitely liked it loud - and with a screaming Tele, that volume could possibly get a little piercing. It's funny because I watched The aristocrats and I'm a huge Guthrie Govan fan, but sitting right in front of his amps I too found his tone was way too piercing. With earplugs though it all fit together nicely lol. Studio and live are two completely distinct worlds.

  • @mikethomas6120
    @mikethomas6120 5 місяців тому +1

    A friend of mine and fellow guitar player actually bought Roy’s tele from his former entertainment lawyer. He kept it for a little while but then decided to sell it to fund other guitar purchases.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Oh wow - I'm sure he picked up some nice axes as a result, but I don't know I think I'd be kicking myself for getting rid of it.

    • @mikethomas6120
      @mikethomas6120 5 місяців тому +1

      @@guitarmeetsscience this was like 15 years ago and I want to say at that time he paid around 4k for it. I’m sure it has to be worth close to at least double that today. It had a signed letter from the lawyer along with pictures to show that the patina of the guitar matched the images taken of Roy playing it. There was also something distinct inside the control cavity that had something to do with Roy if I remember correctly.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      @mikethomas9644 whoever got it though lucked out!

  • @lazlo5971
    @lazlo5971 5 місяців тому +1

    I roadied for Roy in the Bronx in 1976.

  • @mickblack3291
    @mickblack3291 5 місяців тому +1

    Id definitely put Clapton above Richards anyday of the week no competition, but Roy was in a higher realm altogether, he was one of the untouchables, he was his own player & a great one at that.

  • @shadhansen739
    @shadhansen739 5 місяців тому +3

    Rumor has it Michael Shenker also refused the Stones' advances😮

    • @chrisfromnoosa1905
      @chrisfromnoosa1905 5 місяців тому +2

      Well there was no mention of this in Keith Richard's autobiography which makes this rumour just that - a rumour!

  • @PaulVineyard
    @PaulVineyard 5 місяців тому +3

    Roy Buchanan is the greatest guitar player that ever lived but he was totally wrong for the Stones. The Rolling Stones music was never about great lead guitar solos. The Stones music is all about feel and rhythm. You’ll notice the Stones finally realized this and drafted Ron Wood who was essentially a second rhythm guitar player and it’s been working great for the last 50 years.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      Good call - and you are absolutely right. Roy would have been too odd of a fit for that band.

    • @adelhartreisig9020
      @adelhartreisig9020 5 місяців тому

      Rhythm? Charlie Watts was sh.., weak, pretentious cr.., jazz drummer, yeah right🤣🤣🤣

  • @timrockman7
    @timrockman7 5 місяців тому +1

    Is his tribute to Jimmy Hendrix anywhere?
    I would really like to hear that.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you so much - that one's been on the list for a while. Not sure what I'm going to get that one up though but it is in the plans. I appreciate it!

  • @jodychalk5879
    @jodychalk5879 5 місяців тому +1

    A story about turning down the Stones as told to me from a friend of his was Roy said he didn’t play the devil’s music.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Come to think of it I remember hearing that one too. Roy had all sorts of quirks.

  • @ImmortalIdeas
    @ImmortalIdeas 5 місяців тому +2

    👍

  • @blublues2543
    @blublues2543 Місяць тому +1

    Roy and Rory my two favorites, no whammy bar, using the knob and artificial harmonics and unfortunatly too much alchool.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  Місяць тому +1

      yep - that sums it up right there. Too much alcohol - that was their downfall. I've covered a few players where the alcohol took over. Such a shame

  • @DogCatchersBand
    @DogCatchersBand 5 місяців тому +1

    In many respects, this documentary is more informative than the Roy Buchanan Biography called "American Axe," by Phil Carson. The whole Rolling Stones offer was indeed hogwash, and a lie that Roy had to live with for every interview that followed the fable of his own making: this is common knowledge among Buchanan historians. "Cause We've Ended as Lovers" was recorded, and released in 1975 by Jeff Beck BEFORE Roy recorded his musical tribute to Beck called "My Friend Jeff" on this 1976 LP "A Street Called Straight." I was fortunate enough to meet Roy in April 1985, and was given a credit in Phil Carson's book "American Axe" for my contributions. I had the great pleasure of providing Jeff Beck a VHS copy of "Introducing Roy Buchanan" in April 1999: he hadn't seen the documentary since he had watched it on a television rebroadcast in a hotel room when he was on tour with Beck, Bogert, and Appice in Boston back in 1972. I'm honored to have met Roy Buchanan, Jeff Beck, and Danny Gatton: all masters of their craft.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      Thank you for that - I'm glad you found it informative. And obviously those had to be some pretty cool experiences. I appreciate you sharing that!

  • @JackB-v2z
    @JackB-v2z 5 місяців тому +1

    Rock bands, wether a garage band or super group require good chemistry . Who's better than who is irrelevant. I have been there. It's like a marriage ,good or bad .

  • @JD-hh9io
    @JD-hh9io 5 місяців тому +1

    Kinda surprised I'm a ram didn't get mentioned from Live Stock.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +1

      Sorry there was a lot of ground to cover - definitely an oversight, but I do appreciate it!

    • @JD-hh9io
      @JD-hh9io 5 місяців тому +1

      @@guitarmeetsscience You did made a very good video. Thank you for doing it.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому

      @JD-hh9io That's a huge compliment my friend - thank you so much I really appreciate it! 🙏

  • @tommccarthy3052
    @tommccarthy3052 2 місяці тому +1

    Well...they also - or at least Jagger - invited Rory Ghallager to audition. He did but Keith was out of it & never showed. Gallagher would not have worked either.

  • @patricklemire9278
    @patricklemire9278 5 місяців тому

    That offer only existed in fiction. Just look at him. Hell of a player but not a Stone.

  • @mosongobrown6787
    @mosongobrown6787 2 місяці тому +1

    Leroy Buchanan is much cooler name then Roy Buchanan. He is born with a good artistname too. Did he play Fender Telecaster b-bender?

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  2 місяці тому +1

      Leroy definitely has much more of a cool vibe- more of a unique name which probably would have helped him stand out a little further. It's funny because as I was doing the video I kept referring to him as Leroy and had to back up and say Roy at least three or four times. Just because people know him as Roy so it's funny that you mention it. I'm not sure about the b-bender tbh. I did a little search and didn't really find anything so I'm thinking that Roy kept it really simple with his tele. A lot of the reason for this is because he was really into manipulating the strings on his own. Danny Gatton - his counterpart I think used one, and he was always really into gadgets much more than Roy. Heck, Roy didn't even rely on a wah.... He just swept the tone control whenever he wanted that sound.

  • @pikiwiki
    @pikiwiki 5 місяців тому +3

    Heard a lot of Jimmy Page in that opening riff

  • @danielschaeffer1294
    @danielschaeffer1294 5 місяців тому +1

    Was Roy the greatest? There’s no doubt that his pioneering technique was copied by nearly everyone else, and none of them ever quite equaled that patented Buchanan sound. From that point of view, probably. But consider two points. 1) Danny Gatton recorded a SUPERB album of jazz standards with Joey Di Francesco, including bebop. (Look for this album, folks, it’s a jaw-dropper!) Could Roy have done that? I doubt it. 2) Rory Gallagher started on acoustic, and developed an understanding of the really OLD blues that few white guys have ever equaled. And then, there was the matter of his awesome slide playing, as well as his mandolin and his harmonica playing. Any time Rory played you could feel a direct line going back to Mississippi. He could even play a flat-top in a Bert Jansch finger style better than Bert! (I bet Jimmy Page envied that!) In short, it all depends on what you mean by great.

  • @TheBohemianAngels
    @TheBohemianAngels 5 місяців тому

    James Dean died in 1955 and thus he was not around in 1956. Just a correction.

  • @offaxisdude
    @offaxisdude 5 місяців тому +2

    great story.....stones part....NOT TRUE

  • @lamper2
    @lamper2 5 місяців тому +1

    27:23 That Shirt is probably long gone but I bet today we'd find touch DNA/ skin cells of the police on it.

  • @TeleCaster66
    @TeleCaster66 Місяць тому +1

    Roy was a good player no doubt but would have sucked in the Stones, they are w different things.

  • @petermiller3774
    @petermiller3774 Місяць тому +3

    Roy buchanan is 100xs better than Keith Richards

  • @glenlapwing8468
    @glenlapwing8468 Місяць тому +1

    He wouldn’t have lasted long in the Stones-they just needed a meat & potatoes intermediate player

  • @jamesha175
    @jamesha175 5 місяців тому +1

    the reality is that the Stones were not good enough to be in his band.

  • @lennarthallberg9918
    @lennarthallberg9918 2 місяці тому

    The Rolling Stones were never looking for the best guitar player to replace Brian Jones or Mick Taylor. They looked for the best and most suitable guitar player for them. So the question "Roy Buchanan-Too Good For The Stones" is totally irrelevant and it was more than likely made just to get more viewers. Viewers like me, who also got fooled by that question. lol

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  2 місяці тому

      He turned down the opportunity hence the question. But it was just one of the many things I talked about. I just pick something that is one of the interesting topics that I brought up in a video and I build a title off of that. But I do get a kick out of people getting bent out of shape over my titles. They're the smallest deal of the entire thing

    • @lennarthallberg9918
      @lennarthallberg9918 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@guitarmeetsscience I took it with humor, as you can see. Roy Buchanan was a fantastic guitarist and he deserves more than well the attention you gave him. So big thanks to you for that.

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  2 місяці тому

      @lennarthallberg9918 haha no worries I took your comment in much the same way (mean ones get the boot always). I agree with you 100% - Roy deserves a hell of a lot more attention. His playing was so far ahead of its time down to the tone that he used. It would have been pretty cool if he joined the stones but no doubt he wouldn't have lasted too long. He always wanted to do his own thing.

  • @raross6119
    @raross6119 Місяць тому +1

    Roy would not cave

  • @SpenceCurry
    @SpenceCurry 5 місяців тому +1

    An american for one thing. Different style

  • @Jahnink
    @Jahnink 5 місяців тому +2

    Many, many quality guitarists were way too good for the Rolling Stones. They are a remedial garage band. 😂😂😂

  • @TheTwangKings
    @TheTwangKings 5 місяців тому +4

    Good, but not Stones' style at all! Not anywhere near. 😮

  • @TeleCaster66
    @TeleCaster66 5 місяців тому +7

    Too good for the Stones? Lol, more like too weird for the Stones. I love Roy but he wouldn't have fit in the Stones at all, very different playing approaches, plus he wouldn't have lasted a day personality wise. Roy was an odd duck.

    • @curragh4635
      @curragh4635 5 місяців тому +1

      @@younkinjames8571 bro Mick Taylor was great what you talking about

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  5 місяців тому +2

      Haha yeah I know, I have a feeling some people are going to think that I have an aversion to the stones - meanwhile I love them, but yeah that would have been like bleach and pneumonia. Roy was two independent, there would have been no way he would have tamped down this playing. He was definitely an odd duck - such a shame how things turned out for him. Still it would have been cool to see him play for the stones for the short time that he might have been in haha

    • @robertvavra414
      @robertvavra414 5 місяців тому

      I agree the Roy would not have been a "good fit" for the Stones, but I would have liked to hear him play "Honey Tonk Women".

    • @TeleCaster66
      @TeleCaster66 Місяць тому

      True!

  • @davidwalker5054
    @davidwalker5054 3 місяці тому +1

    Roy was to good to be handcuffed to any band in the world like another Tele master Danny Gatton. They were mavericks never going to be household names they didn,t fit the Guitar God profile. Danny walked on stage looking and dressed like he,d come to fix the roof and Roy looked like your Geography teacher unknown to the masses but not to the lesser talented guitar gods of today

    • @guitarmeetsscience
      @guitarmeetsscience  3 місяці тому

      Absolutely spot on! Haha They really did look that way too. Meanwhile They outplayed anybody in more popular rock circles

    • @knightfall9394
      @knightfall9394 3 місяці тому

      Neither of them could write songs worth a shit or sing either, id say that probably had a lot to do with it. If danny was smart he would’ve hooked up with someone like emmylou harris and his talents would’ve suited her perfectly. Its kind of like the fogerty gig danny somehow managed to fuck up, had he been smart that would’ve been a great career boost.
      It didnt help that both of those guys had their own personal demons they battled with either, i dont think any band wants to deal with that shit.