This has been a really fun series. There's a ton of class rankings out there that focus purely on character optimization, it's really awesome to see a ranking that actually takes theme, content, and coolness into account. Especially in a game with basically infinitely scalable difficulty that stuff matters a ton to how enjoyable and replayable the game is and you did a great job incorporating it without ignoring mechanical viability.l
He even takes into account the likelihood a class would be useful or fill a gap. Eg the comment about Seelah making Paladin less necessary. It really rung true for me.
@@asw654 especially cause some companions probably aren't leaving if you want to make your KC their class anyways. Like if you're playing Pally, then Seelah ain't gonna leave you in Act 5, since any Mythic Path that would cause her to leave is ineligible for keeping Pally privileges
Thank YOU for having provided entertainment to us over these months. Actualy more than a year now isn't it? May you have happy holidays and a magnificent new year- and a lot of fun making these videos in the future too. Cheers!
I may have mentioned this before in a previous video, but I'm grateful for your content. I have over 500+ hours in the game but I've only beaten the game once because I'm so indecisive about what class to play. Your list has really helped me out and made me realize I don't need to do some crazy build with 3 lvl dips in other classes just to beat the game on core difficulty. I've started coming up with my own builds and not just following the cookie-cutter ones I've found online and I'm having much more fun with the game.
@@SlanderedGaming There's a fun interaction with the Clemency of Shadows ring and summons, i've noticed that any skeleton's / minions I summon that get *knocked unconscious (also works if they die)* trigger the effect on the ring that summons a giant spider to protect the party for a few rounds, functionally it's like your skeletons have a 2nd life and turn into spiders when they go down lol, it appears to be reading them as "party members" rather than summons for the effect lol. You get this ring from the stone of ghostly pathways decree I believe. And since the ring is an aura buff, it affects everyone in a 30 yard radius, so dropping like 12 summons from different people is like having a small army of minions that replicate into spiders when they die. Plus it gives everyone in the aura an extra attack of opportunity, just a solid ring, one of the best decree items imo, though gravesinger from rovagug's relic is pretty cool with the cc immunity it offers and expanded crit range.
This was a fantastic series! I especially love the fact you took RP, reactivity and theme into account for these rankings. Too often guides like this only care about mechanics and anything that doesn't break the game is trash lol. Anybody who wants help with the game as a newbie or a returning player who is trying to figure out what has changed via patches should use this series as a guide in my book.
Awesome video. Now my proposal: best alternative classes for companions. My hot take, Seelah -skald with a focus on shields Camellia -crusader cleric Wenduag -ranged slayer Lann -divine hound Woljif -incense synthesizer Ember -sorcerer Nenio -rowdy Sosiel -Ecclesitheurge Regil - sohei Monk Daeren- thundercaller bard I can keep my hot take going if this message gets traction
I second this suggestion. I was going to suggest exactly the same. Please don't take this as "the crowd is never satisfied". The series was BANANAS and we all appreciate your work and effort. If you feel like creating more content like this, alternative classes (or builds) would be nice.
Great series. Huge thanks to pile this up into one video plus all the hard work. A side note, congrats on the 11k its well deserved. And finally enjoy the rest of the holidays.
Thank you for the shout-out, brother. Your in-depth analysis helped me understand so much about the complex game, I'm glad I could help you in some small way. Love and Light!
So glad I stumbled upon this channel. I love the fact that you take into account thematic aspects as well as mechanics. Will slowly go through your content. Thanks so much.
What an amazing journey this has been. I found this video series to be informative and helpful. Thank you for taking the time to rank all of these classes and report back to the community.
Hey thanks for the shoutout! This series was awesome, I can't wait to see what you do next. Hahaha and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on Shifter, that might even pass Assassin as the worst class in the game if they keep it true to PNP. It's so bad. Really dig how you came back to the content and acknowledged a few errors while compiling this, that laid back attitude is a big reason I'm enjoying your content so much. You actually changed my mind on the Divine Hound, too. I initially didn't see much in a weak caster with a pet when compared to Druid, but I'm having a ball with this thing. I've watched a few ranking videos, and for sure I seem to agree with you more than anyone on where this stuff all fits on a tier list. Definitely gonna bookmark this for future playthroughs. Thanks man!
Big fan of your channel! I like how you go in depth with pros & cons of each class. Something else I really appreciate is your videos of the more challenging puzzles & how to solve them.
Hello there, Julien from France. I have to say that your WOTR videos have been one of the best I've seen on UA-cam, can't imagine that amount of works it takes to do that. Very informative, precise and made with love for that amazing soft. Hats off. Bravo et merci !
Man, this has been one hell of a journey, huh? You talking about the sorcerer made me remember how the first CRPG I ever played was Baldur's Gate 2, back in 2001 as barely a teenager. I picked sorcerer even though it was sorta a weird bastardization because the system was still a modified 2nd edition but 3rd had already been released and they took a few ideas to hybridize. It was new and the idea of not needing to prepare exact amounts of spells, just learning them and choosing as I use them was appealing. Good times. That was back when CRPGs still felt magical to me. Your enthusiasm and positivity make watching your videos always enjoyable man, and your consistent interaction in the comments is a huge plus that you can't get from larger channels. I can't wait to see what you come out with next, hope you have an absolutely fantastic new year!
Wow! Idon't know many who have done this! The next thing is going over the A and S tiers in depth. I still need to figure out some things. Great info and thanks for adding the comments, shows you care about others input, yet stay firm to what you accept is ideal!
Awesome video, straight and to the point, highlighting overall classes and how they stack up. Playing DOS2 currently and will be getting this game next. It does look a little more involved but I'm a big fan of fantasy.
thank you for this and the other class lists :) haven't had any time to play WotR in any real way this year, but i will definitely pick these videos up again for ideas when i can ;)
I was so excited when I saw my name on the shout out list that I had to run tell my wife who was in the middle of a shower haha. Echoing what Lashrath said: than you so much for all the time and effort you put into this content. Indespensable as far as I'm concerned.
Hey, man. Wanted to say I appreciate the shout-out. Wasn't really sure how much it's possible to keep track of individuals now you're at the giddy heights of 11k+ subs, but I appreciate the effort here. Hope the Sam-clan had a great Christmas! I enjoyed this series, even if the only option it's made me want to try sometime (that I didn't already) is the Hexcrafter, to see if the various mods I use help it any. Still, thanks!
My pleasure. Since I answer all my comments I get used to seeing the same names multiple times and the consistent engagement is definitely appreciated.
Salud to you my man you have helped me under stand the game more. Of course sparked my thirst to replay this game multiple times!! Excellent work. Very entertaining and professionally scripted.
Awesome series and a nice capstone to it. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into this. While my personal order would be a bit different, I can't find flaws with your logic.
Despite following this channel for some time, and really looking forward to playing WoTR, I somehow managed to miss it’s console release! I was in a car accident the same month so I’ll blame that. Anyway, finally downloading the game now and this list is going to be super helpful! First time is definitely going to be an angel run!
looking at that list reminds me why i love this game. last time i plaid something with soo much variety, i was playing the neverwinter nights games and i didn't see anything like this since than. thank you for this video and let's hope we get another mythic path out of a potential third seasonpass.
Man your class ranking series is really great. It's a mainstay for me when it comes to playing WOTR. My current playthrough is a Steelblood Demon. Personally I think Steelblood is probably an A-tier class personally, as it shores up one of Bloodrager's weaknesses (AC) with armor, and it gains armor training and armored swiftness to counteract the penalties for wearing heavy armor. I'd say it's probably the 2nd best Bloodrager option outside of Primalist.
Just started playing Wrath now, its a good time as I wait for BG3 to patch up a little bit more before I begin that incredible looking game. Its really amazing the amount of info you have here for this game! I'm starting with this one to get a feel for all the many classes in WotR Thanks again..
Thanks for the ranks mate, I play on harder more difficulty, but the mechanics info and other stuff was really helpful, plus love the thematic ideas :D
Thanks for the extensive reviews! I learned a lot about the underlying Pathfinder systems and its implementation in this game. As i play the game on care-bear mode I have a lot more leeway in choosing a class, but even then my Sorcerer Lich playthrough was the most difficult one as I tried playing a summoner and discovered the spell resistance mechanics. Currently I am enjoying a crusader angel playthrough which feels completely OP, but i think most classes should feel OP at the higher levels.
I would actually say that Ecclesitheurge is not as good for the Angel mythic path. Since the main advantage of the Ecclesitheurge is that you get to put your primary Domain's spells into regular spell slots, which would let you cast more spells from other classes. For example, if Madness is your primary Domain, you can put Phantasmal Killer and Weird in your spell slots. But the Angel spells are so good that you don't really need Domain spells.
Your list is close to mine, but the difficulty setting I play on is different so I have a different perspective (I play pretty much exclusively on unfair). I'd have ranked demonslayer maybe a little lower (it is still an S tier for me for sure), while cleric paladin and gendarme a bit higher, but its fairly close to your list honestly. Best class in the game is a very hard thing to rank or consider with how many classes are in the entire game, but if I was pushed to shove on #1 class, it'd probably be brown fur transmuter, and not for the main character, but as a merc. The base cleric does have some things going for it over ecclisatheurge. It can wear a shield and medium armor and there are some very powerful shields (cold bite) and medium armors (hide of elemental carnage) that an ecclisatheurge cant wear, but base cleric can without any need for feats. Base cleric still has the same amount of domains as well. Crusader is harder to rank because its almost completely different than ecc/cleric being almost exclusively martial focused while the other two lean more towards being caster focused. All three of these classes are strong, and deserve an A or higher ranking from me for sure (not sure why you put cleric at C tier, it really is a strong class). Gendarme is kinda like the S tier of cavalier. Its feat progression is similar in vein to that of a primalist, in that it trades teamwork feats for combat feats, and this is almost always better. I really wanted to roll a beast rider but was turned off by its bonus feats mostly being teamwork only feats :( Court poet also is S tier because it gives a morale bonus to int and cha which is nearly impossible to get and almost always will stack with your casters. It also raises his own DC over other skalds when he casts spells, and the majority of skald spells are evocation/enchantment based which love having higher DC. It is equivalent on the same level as skald to me if you're running a caster heavy party it will scale them through the roof. My court poet weirdly enough uses a staff and does nothing but sing and cast confuse / shouts with the odd displacement or invisibility thrown in to help my front line. When fighting undead I swap to a bow on him. One last note, his song not only improves your casters capabilities, but improves monk evasion rate, and most importantly, your smite evils from paladins. A court poet buffing and supporting a few paladins is devastating. Lastly, paladins. A tier minimum but most likely S tier. Cant speak enough about how strong paladins are. In most situations they're stronger than even your #1 demonslayer. Bless weapon is one of the strongest buffs a martial can have applied and is absolutely bonkers (which by the way, rangers dont get access to unfortunately. I think its a paladin and glory domain exclusive spell), and in combination with smite and mark of justice its just too good in a campaign devoted to 90+% evil enemies you fight. Full pet progression too is just icing on the cake. The only thing people laud about paladins that I dont is their inherent saves. On unfair, saves don't honestly matter that much (even in guarded hearth my paladins are still getting hit by things like phantasmal putrefaction and other nasty aoes). Maybe on an easier difficulty these things would matter but I don't include this as on unfair it doesn't change a thing lol.
Cool vid, personally, I think sohei is probably the best martial class in the game. Built correctly with most mythic paths and a glaive, you have an unkillable and unhittable mount while your mc has insane dps with loads of attacks. Also with the lich path, gives a horseman of the apocalypse vibes better then other mount classes.
Im playing a Divine Hunter right now and that Horse mount adding the Bully feat is killing it, i know you have it as a B- but im loving it so far, FYI im only level 4, maybe it will get more challenging later. thanks for all of your videos for this Game! ive watch at least 30 of them so far, been a great help
Awesome glad you have enjoyed them! The vast majority of classes in this game are really good so it makes complete sense you are having a great time with a B ranked class.
Elemental specialist wizard into arcane trickster is an S tier blaster. It broke casters for me in this game, any other type of caster just seems underwhelming
It's nice to see someone that actually ranks these clases and archetypes based on more than optimisation or "what can it do with a dip". I personally generaly pick classes based on theme more than what's optimal. That's not to say I'd pick the worst class and leave it as is, but that I prefer a thematic build more than min-maxed bs that makes no sense to me. This is the reason why I go Steelblood into Hellknight. Everyone says you should just pick Primalist and that's it. But, as a bloodrager enjoyer, it's nice to be able to multiclass into something that the world actually reacts to.
I disagree a little about the paladin. Because if you play without mercenaries and don't want your MC to be a skald, then she is the main contender for this role. Both MC paladin and Seelah skald fit together quite well.
I am playing a D (Witch Doctor) and cannot really disagree :P Though it is a Shaman [B] with a few less Hexes, but Channel Energy; and I really do not need more Hexes per turn (the Counter Curse sucks though). Glad to hear your conclusion that we can succeed the game with any class (I play with a mix of Daring/Core/Hard options, mainly Core diff.). ( My main will continue as Loremaster though, after a dip in Empyreal Sorcerer.) ( actually, my playthrough is on hold, at the start of Ch. 3 ; just to play other games )
Just came across this series, well done. I probably would have rated Swordlord a bit higher as a prestige class, a high D or maybe a low C? Mechanically Deft Strike + Power Attack work well together and its persuasion based abilities seem to me easier to impact enemies then some abilities other classes have. Thematically is where it shines for me since you are leading a crusade and I think of Swordlords as natural leaders. There's also a specific encounter at the Molten Scar where Jannah Aldori gives you a nice Dueling Sword if you are a Swordlord.
I completely agree with placing Demonslayer at the top-spot. I can remember sitting in a Session Zero for the Giantslayer AP that I was getting ready to GM for my home crew (we finished about a year ago, had a great time) and saying "If anyone decides to play a dwarven ranger with favored enemy giant, just be aware that I'm going to throw everything but the kitchen sink at that character, because that's just cheating". Thankfully, no one grabbed that combo 🙂
Excellent summary to an excellent series! ! ! Albeit I'd argue for Crusader being higher (Top 5 for sure). From a RP point this is the ultimate class for WotR. Hope you are safe. Heard Chicago was hit bad.
I recruited a demonslayer merc during my first playthrough, she was wielding a longspear and fighting with a big dog (called Buddy). I was shocked when i started my first fight with her because did not expect the dog to be as big as a horse and having more strength than my whole party combined (37 at level 18) and more AC than my main tank tower shield wielding armored hulk (though he had double the health). im halfway sure that she was actually feeding the demons to the damn thing, along with ground beef and steroids. she pretty much became mendatory because the dog had a higher carrying capability than a U-haul (5600 lbs, or 2.8 TONS) and the first time i tried to leave drezen without her my party got instantly crushed by the weight of my greed and essentially couldnt move.
Sohei should be ranked S tier, probably the best 12 level class. Even you limited to 20 lv, you can still make Sohei an archer with 9 attacks and riding a horse. Unlike Zen Archer, Sohei doesn’t forbid you from using rapid shot/manyshot with flurry of blows. So, 4 from full bab + 2 from flurry + 1 from rapid + 1 from manyshot + 1 haste. And extra 1 attack from 2 level dip on Eldritch Archer, if you don’t limit to a single class.
Yeah, animal companions win out for me, thanks to all the stuff they add to the game in a mechanical sense. That and my first playthru of 'Beneath the Stolen Lands' was 6 sacred huntsmen, and having 6 leopards whom the enemy could not hit thanks to teamwork buffs, mixed with humans peppering them with arrows made that fun. Not as useful here since they nerfed a lot of the Companion power to make the equipment more useful, and to be fair, my single leopard was able to hit for 50+ damage with every attack, had several attacks per round, and moved at 100+ feet per round, that little lady tore through everything. Regardless, I do like that you admit biases here, while also explaining the picks when you feel they might be seen as off, placing emphasis on that these are YOUR picks, but also wanting people to understand WHY they are your picks. Very well presented, very well done.
For some reason, I can't play with anyone other than paladin, although the first passage was Azata kineticist, and then somehow imbued with the theme. c:
You know what you should've mentioned. Spawn slayer with demon slayer dip literally makes you the doom guy in this game as you can make your fights super trivial
a little wishlist for a DLC or a sequel to a pathfinder game ? like what classes/races do you wish to see implemented from the tabletop to the video game ? what kind of story, mythic path you name it whatever your heart desire ^^
I noticed that the video on the 25 base class mechanics is not included in the rankings playlist. However, you had to refer to it in later videos due to confusion resulting from missing that video. It seems including it at the top of the playlist would be helpful.
I know this is very late, but I was looking through for info, and noticed something. Divine Hunter is listed twice on the B-ranked classes - I'm guessing #93 is the Hunter version, while #118 is the Paladin version?
what makes the skald so op imo is the fact that you can just choose who doesn't accept the inspire rage. It's an absolutely BANANAS skill by itself considering the sheer number increase on a single cast. But you can nullify the negative that you can't cast by just making your casters opt to not take it. The ability just steroids your party into oblivion and literally doesn't have a negative side unless you want it to have lol
Apreciate what you do my dude, you and Crpg bro keep this super niche game alive and fun, in my humble opinion tho, only kineticist stand alone at number one, maybe not lore wise but got damn is it powerfull!
dirge bard made my first play threw trivial crazy good class . started with archeologist didn't relies it takes all the worst parts of both , was suffering threw , watched one of your vides made dirge seems very interesting and holy shit what a change all of a sudden my grp was a bulldozer.
Honestly couldn't tell you I jusd spent a lot of time on Google looking for images that appeal to me. I do searches like "Hellknight art" or "Ice Witch Art" and keep searching until I find something that I like. Honestly, sometimes that's the hardest part of making a video. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Thanks for replying, i'll try to find it, the black woman at the far right of the picture catched my eye for instance, would love to have her art for my party.
I've just came back to this game after a while away from it and I recalled seeing your videos a while ago. Did you change your channel's name? Because I swear it was something different. Either that or old age is finally catching up with me. xD
Traditional monk and knife master rogue is my favourite class, super swift an able to dish out a bit of damage bite also counts as finisse natural so I chuck in tiefling or orc now
Can I ask did they change winter witch that its a B? because the only reason you would take it is if you took a shaman or witch spec that didn't have max hexes to max them out and carry through spell progression. Also its capstone is worthless when you consider ascended element and its ability to ignore resistances entirely. So the only reason you would take it from a combat standpoint is for the additional spell levels on cold spells but here is the thing you could get a lot more damage from a duel bloodline sorcerer and get a 3rd bloodline from mythic paths. So I don't see any reason for winter witch being that high outside of maybe its theme.
The theme is exactly why it's rated higher. Winter Witch is a very popular playstyle and no other class let's you roleplay that better. In my video about the class I make it clear the mechanics are very mediocre.
If you want to play paladin, you’d have to double class Seelah into something else, treating her 1 or 2 pally levels as a dip, right. When I started a Wildland Shaman I didn’t see any reason for a second shammy on the team, so Camellia became a demon hunter. So here’s my question: what would you choose for Seelah? War priest, Cleric, Inquisitor or something completely different? Cheers
Can confirm, this list will 100% require an updated version (or it has one, and I'm blind), because classes like Assassin and such- which requiring a Mythic Ability to even function, is definitely much better nowadays.
HK Sig 5 level dip plus DD 4 level dip is extremely strong imo, since HK Sig is a spellcaster who probably wants to be in the thick of things. Using the Order of the Gate, you can wear Adamantine Full-Plate without penalty to casting, and DD will give you a lot of bonuses to base stats that are excellent to a melee caster. You also only lose 1 caster level, because HK Sig is full casting progression, making a merged Lich still viable
@@SlanderedGaming Just checked the prerequisites and you can no longer build into dragon disciple from bloodrager :( guess i'll just go a pure primalist, such a shame tho since you used to get so many benefits from bloodrager/dragon disciple.
amazingly my first playthrough was an assassin (rogue 10/assassin 10) and by golly i was ropable when i found the mechanics were largely ineffective - playthrough was saved by the fact i went demon (thank you demonic rage and demonic charge!)
6:34 Seelah is a TERRIBLE paladin though! She has 15 starting CHA, the primary stat for paladins, and starts with 2 terrible feats (dodge is useless, shield focus is only good for abusing the mounted shield bug.) You really can't build a much worse level 1 paladin than Seelah. Considering base Paladin is probably the most straightforwardly strong subclass of its archetype, it should be at least A tier. (Martyr is S imo.)
This has been a really fun series. There's a ton of class rankings out there that focus purely on character optimization, it's really awesome to see a ranking that actually takes theme, content, and coolness into account. Especially in a game with basically infinitely scalable difficulty that stuff matters a ton to how enjoyable and replayable the game is and you did a great job incorporating it without ignoring mechanical viability.l
He even takes into account the likelihood a class would be useful or fill a gap. Eg the comment about Seelah making Paladin less necessary. It really rung true for me.
@@asw654 especially cause some companions probably aren't leaving if you want to make your KC their class anyways. Like if you're playing Pally, then Seelah ain't gonna leave you in Act 5, since any Mythic Path that would cause her to leave is ineligible for keeping Pally privileges
I watched every video. Thanks for all your hard work and happy holidays.
Thank you so much! Happy Holidays!
Thank YOU for having provided entertainment to us over these months. Actualy more than a year now isn't it? May you have happy holidays and a magnificent new year- and a lot of fun making these videos in the future too. Cheers!
I may have mentioned this before in a previous video, but I'm grateful for your content. I have over 500+ hours in the game but I've only beaten the game once because I'm so indecisive about what class to play. Your list has really helped me out and made me realize I don't need to do some crazy build with 3 lvl dips in other classes just to beat the game on core difficulty. I've started coming up with my own builds and not just following the cookie-cutter ones I've found online and I'm having much more fun with the game.
Thank you! Glad the content has been helpful for you!
@@SlanderedGaming There's a fun interaction with the Clemency of Shadows ring and summons, i've noticed that any skeleton's / minions I summon that get *knocked unconscious (also works if they die)* trigger the effect on the ring that summons a giant spider to protect the party for a few rounds, functionally it's like your skeletons have a 2nd life and turn into spiders when they go down lol, it appears to be reading them as "party members" rather than summons for the effect lol. You get this ring from the stone of ghostly pathways decree I believe. And since the ring is an aura buff, it affects everyone in a 30 yard radius, so dropping like 12 summons from different people is like having a small army of minions that replicate into spiders when they die. Plus it gives everyone in the aura an extra attack of opportunity, just a solid ring, one of the best decree items imo, though gravesinger from rovagug's relic is pretty cool with the cc immunity it offers and expanded crit range.
This was a fantastic series! I especially love the fact you took RP, reactivity and theme into account for these rankings. Too often guides like this only care about mechanics and anything that doesn't break the game is trash lol. Anybody who wants help with the game as a newbie or a returning player who is trying to figure out what has changed via patches should use this series as a guide in my book.
Awesome video. Now my proposal: best alternative classes for companions.
My hot take,
Seelah -skald with a focus on shields
Camellia -crusader cleric
Wenduag -ranged slayer
Lann -divine hound
Woljif -incense synthesizer
Ember -sorcerer
Nenio -rowdy
Sosiel -Ecclesitheurge
Regil - sohei Monk
Daeren- thundercaller bard
I can keep my hot take going if this message gets traction
I second this suggestion. I was going to suggest exactly the same.
Please don't take this as "the crowd is never satisfied". The series was BANANAS and we all appreciate your work and effort. If you feel like creating more content like this, alternative classes (or builds) would be nice.
how the hell does rowdy nenio make sense
Great series. Huge thanks to pile this up into one video plus all the hard work.
A side note, congrats on the 11k its well deserved. And finally enjoy the rest of the holidays.
Thank you for the shout-out, brother. Your in-depth analysis helped me understand so much about the complex game, I'm glad I could help you in some small way. Love and Light!
So glad I stumbled upon this channel. I love the fact that you take into account thematic aspects as well as mechanics. Will slowly go through your content. Thanks so much.
What an amazing journey this has been. I found this video series to be informative and helpful. Thank you for taking the time to rank all of these classes and report back to the community.
Hey thanks for the shoutout! This series was awesome, I can't wait to see what you do next. Hahaha and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on Shifter, that might even pass Assassin as the worst class in the game if they keep it true to PNP. It's so bad.
Really dig how you came back to the content and acknowledged a few errors while compiling this, that laid back attitude is a big reason I'm enjoying your content so much. You actually changed my mind on the Divine Hound, too. I initially didn't see much in a weak caster with a pet when compared to Druid, but I'm having a ball with this thing. I've watched a few ranking videos, and for sure I seem to agree with you more than anyone on where this stuff all fits on a tier list. Definitely gonna bookmark this for future playthroughs. Thanks man!
Awesome video subscribed!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Big fan of your channel! I like how you go in depth with pros & cons of each class. Something else I really appreciate is your videos of the more challenging puzzles & how to solve them.
Hello there, Julien from France. I have to say that your WOTR videos have been one of the best I've seen on UA-cam, can't imagine that amount of works it takes to do that. Very informative, precise and made with love for that amazing soft. Hats off. Bravo et merci !
Thank you!
Man, this has been one hell of a journey, huh? You talking about the sorcerer made me remember how the first CRPG I ever played was Baldur's Gate 2, back in 2001 as barely a teenager. I picked sorcerer even though it was sorta a weird bastardization because the system was still a modified 2nd edition but 3rd had already been released and they took a few ideas to hybridize. It was new and the idea of not needing to prepare exact amounts of spells, just learning them and choosing as I use them was appealing. Good times. That was back when CRPGs still felt magical to me.
Your enthusiasm and positivity make watching your videos always enjoyable man, and your consistent interaction in the comments is a huge plus that you can't get from larger channels. I can't wait to see what you come out with next, hope you have an absolutely fantastic new year!
Thanks for providing more background than "just the numbers", like roleplaying potential
Yup my pleasure!
1:01 aww thanks! great to be part of such a nice community.
Wow! Idon't know many who have done this! The next thing is going over the A and S tiers in depth. I still need to figure out some things. Great info and thanks for adding the comments, shows you care about others input, yet stay firm to what you accept is ideal!
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
Ayo, this was a ride and was what brought me to your channel to begin with. Can't wait to see where you go from here, my dude. Here's to your future!
You're incredible for recognizing me, I love the content please keep it up and I can't wait to see what comes I the future!
Awesome video, straight and to the point, highlighting overall classes and how they stack up. Playing DOS2 currently and will be getting this game next. It does look a little more involved but I'm a big fan of fantasy.
I’m grabbing DOS2 soon also I grabbed this one as it was on sale along with kingmaker
thank you for this and the other class lists :) haven't had any time to play WotR in any real way this year, but i will definitely pick these videos up again for ideas when i can ;)
Thanks for the thanks. Happy new year and I look forward to whatever you come out with next.
I was so excited when I saw my name on the shout out list that I had to run tell my wife who was in the middle of a shower haha. Echoing what Lashrath said: than you so much for all the time and effort you put into this content. Indespensable as far as I'm concerned.
Hey, man. Wanted to say I appreciate the shout-out. Wasn't really sure how much it's possible to keep track of individuals now you're at the giddy heights of 11k+ subs, but I appreciate the effort here.
Hope the Sam-clan had a great Christmas!
I enjoyed this series, even if the only option it's made me want to try sometime (that I didn't already) is the Hexcrafter, to see if the various mods I use help it any. Still, thanks!
My pleasure. Since I answer all my comments I get used to seeing the same names multiple times and the consistent engagement is definitely appreciated.
Hey, congrats! You made it through all 199, great job!
Solid bro. I've been waiting and you delivered.
Salud to you my man you have helped me under stand the game more. Of course sparked my thirst to replay this game multiple times!!
Excellent work. Very entertaining and professionally scripted.
Awesome series and a nice capstone to it. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into this. While my personal order would be a bit different, I can't find flaws with your logic.
Definitely the best channel on this game :)
Thank you!
Good work! Merry Christmas!
❄️⛄🎄🎉🔥
Despite following this channel for some time, and really looking forward to playing WoTR, I somehow managed to miss it’s console release! I was in a car accident the same month so I’ll blame that. Anyway, finally downloading the game now and this list is going to be super helpful! First time is definitely going to be an angel run!
Sorry to hear about the car crash, hope you are doing much better!
Genuine applause for an amazing series!
Another great video on the rankings. Well thought out sir.
looking at that list reminds me why i love this game. last time i plaid something with soo much variety, i was playing the neverwinter nights games and i didn't see anything like this since than. thank you for this video and let's hope we get another mythic path out of a potential third seasonpass.
Man your class ranking series is really great. It's a mainstay for me when it comes to playing WOTR. My current playthrough is a Steelblood Demon.
Personally I think Steelblood is probably an A-tier class personally, as it shores up one of Bloodrager's weaknesses (AC) with armor, and it gains armor training and armored swiftness to counteract the penalties for wearing heavy armor. I'd say it's probably the 2nd best Bloodrager option outside of Primalist.
Awesome glad you enjoyed the series!
Your comment about Seelah is very insightful and I appreciate the thought you put into that.
Just started playing Wrath now, its a good time as I wait for BG3 to patch up a little bit more before I begin that incredible looking game.
Its really amazing the amount of info you have here for this game!
I'm starting with this one to get a feel for all the many classes in WotR
Thanks again..
My pleasure!
Thanks for the ranks mate, I play on harder more difficulty, but the mechanics info and other stuff was really helpful, plus love the thematic ideas :D
My pleasure!
19:28 i love how you said "the law" here.
Awesome video. Excellent work.
Thanks for the extensive reviews! I learned a lot about the underlying Pathfinder systems and its implementation in this game. As i play the game on care-bear mode I have a lot more leeway in choosing a class, but even then my Sorcerer Lich playthrough was the most difficult one as I tried playing a summoner and discovered the spell resistance mechanics. Currently I am enjoying a crusader angel playthrough which feels completely OP, but i think most classes should feel OP at the higher levels.
0:48 I can see myself !!! I can see myself !!
Thank you man 💕💕
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome! Standing ovation to you sir! Keep up the fine work!
Thank you!
The series is super helpful！
Will you make a video about good class combo for level dipping? I like the multi class concept of this game
Yup that's something I'll definitely get around to.
I would actually say that Ecclesitheurge is not as good for the Angel mythic path. Since the main advantage of the Ecclesitheurge is that you get to put your primary Domain's spells into regular spell slots, which would let you cast more spells from other classes. For example, if Madness is your primary Domain, you can put Phantasmal Killer and Weird in your spell slots. But the Angel spells are so good that you don't really need Domain spells.
Your list is close to mine, but the difficulty setting I play on is different so I have a different perspective (I play pretty much exclusively on unfair).
I'd have ranked demonslayer maybe a little lower (it is still an S tier for me for sure), while cleric paladin and gendarme a bit higher, but its fairly close to your list honestly. Best class in the game is a very hard thing to rank or consider with how many classes are in the entire game, but if I was pushed to shove on #1 class, it'd probably be brown fur transmuter, and not for the main character, but as a merc.
The base cleric does have some things going for it over ecclisatheurge. It can wear a shield and medium armor and there are some very powerful shields (cold bite) and medium armors (hide of elemental carnage) that an ecclisatheurge cant wear, but base cleric can without any need for feats. Base cleric still has the same amount of domains as well. Crusader is harder to rank because its almost completely different than ecc/cleric being almost exclusively martial focused while the other two lean more towards being caster focused. All three of these classes are strong, and deserve an A or higher ranking from me for sure (not sure why you put cleric at C tier, it really is a strong class).
Gendarme is kinda like the S tier of cavalier. Its feat progression is similar in vein to that of a primalist, in that it trades teamwork feats for combat feats, and this is almost always better. I really wanted to roll a beast rider but was turned off by its bonus feats mostly being teamwork only feats :(
Court poet also is S tier because it gives a morale bonus to int and cha which is nearly impossible to get and almost always will stack with your casters. It also raises his own DC over other skalds when he casts spells, and the majority of skald spells are evocation/enchantment based which love having higher DC. It is equivalent on the same level as skald to me if you're running a caster heavy party it will scale them through the roof. My court poet weirdly enough uses a staff and does nothing but sing and cast confuse / shouts with the odd displacement or invisibility thrown in to help my front line. When fighting undead I swap to a bow on him. One last note, his song not only improves your casters capabilities, but improves monk evasion rate, and most importantly, your smite evils from paladins. A court poet buffing and supporting a few paladins is devastating.
Lastly, paladins. A tier minimum but most likely S tier. Cant speak enough about how strong paladins are. In most situations they're stronger than even your #1 demonslayer. Bless weapon is one of the strongest buffs a martial can have applied and is absolutely bonkers (which by the way, rangers dont get access to unfortunately. I think its a paladin and glory domain exclusive spell), and in combination with smite and mark of justice its just too good in a campaign devoted to 90+% evil enemies you fight. Full pet progression too is just icing on the cake. The only thing people laud about paladins that I dont is their inherent saves. On unfair, saves don't honestly matter that much (even in guarded hearth my paladins are still getting hit by things like phantasmal putrefaction and other nasty aoes). Maybe on an easier difficulty these things would matter but I don't include this as on unfair it doesn't change a thing lol.
Cool vid, personally, I think sohei is probably the best martial class in the game. Built correctly with most mythic paths and a glaive, you have an unkillable and unhittable mount while your mc has insane dps with loads of attacks. Also with the lich path, gives a horseman of the apocalypse vibes better then other mount classes.
Im playing a Divine Hunter right now and that Horse mount adding the Bully feat is killing it, i know you have it as a B- but im loving it so far, FYI im only level 4, maybe it will get more challenging later. thanks for all of your videos for this Game! ive watch at least 30 of them so far, been a great help
Awesome glad you have enjoyed them! The vast majority of classes in this game are really good so it makes complete sense you are having a great time with a B ranked class.
Thank you for a powerful resource for all future runs
Throws arcane trickster in C. Acts like nothing crazy just happened. Really enjoying your List! Going to keep watching.
LOL Glad you are enjoying it!
Elemental specialist wizard into arcane trickster is an S tier blaster. It broke casters for me in this game, any other type of caster just seems underwhelming
At first this game didn´t click with me but your videos have been amongst the things that took me to retry it, so thank you.
My pleasure!
I go nowhere without Seelah!
It's nice to see someone that actually ranks these clases and archetypes based on more than optimisation or "what can it do with a dip". I personally generaly pick classes based on theme more than what's optimal. That's not to say I'd pick the worst class and leave it as is, but that I prefer a thematic build more than min-maxed bs that makes no sense to me. This is the reason why I go Steelblood into Hellknight. Everyone says you should just pick Primalist and that's it. But, as a bloodrager enjoyer, it's nice to be able to multiclass into something that the world actually reacts to.
I disagree a little about the paladin. Because if you play without mercenaries and don't want your MC to be a skald, then she is the main contender for this role. Both MC paladin and Seelah skald fit together quite well.
A really good job here. A lot of this is personal opinion, but nevertheless, a wonderful compilation.
16:13 yep yep, i wholeheartedly agree. its like when harry potter steps into the wand shop for the first time.
Hey, just found your channel loving the content. maybe with this I cant finally settle on one class LOL :)
Welcome to the channel!
I am playing a D (Witch Doctor) and cannot really disagree :P Though it is a Shaman [B] with a few less Hexes, but Channel Energy; and I really do not need more Hexes per turn (the Counter Curse sucks though). Glad to hear your conclusion that we can succeed the game with any class (I play with a mix of Daring/Core/Hard options, mainly Core diff.).
( My main will continue as Loremaster though, after a dip in Empyreal Sorcerer.)
( actually, my playthrough is on hold, at the start of Ch. 3 ; just to play other games )
Is there an updated video of this?
Just came across this series, well done. I probably would have rated Swordlord a bit higher as a prestige class, a high D or maybe a low C? Mechanically Deft Strike + Power Attack work well together and its persuasion based abilities seem to me easier to impact enemies then some abilities other classes have.
Thematically is where it shines for me since you are leading a crusade and I think of Swordlords as natural leaders. There's also a specific encounter at the Molten Scar where Jannah Aldori gives you a nice Dueling Sword if you are a Swordlord.
Oh wow didn't now there was Swordlord reactivity thank you!
A Demonslayer Demon has to be one of the most oddly fitting combos in gaming.
LOL True that.
Blade for demons?
Very nice video. Thank you for keeping it under 20 minutes lol!
LOL I try to make the videos as short as I can.
I completely agree with placing Demonslayer at the top-spot. I can remember sitting in a Session Zero for the Giantslayer AP that I was getting ready to GM for my home crew (we finished about a year ago, had a great time) and saying "If anyone decides to play a dwarven ranger with favored enemy giant, just be aware that I'm going to throw everything but the kitchen sink at that character, because that's just cheating". Thankfully, no one grabbed that combo 🙂
Excellent summary to an excellent series! ! ! Albeit I'd argue for Crusader being higher (Top 5 for sure). From a RP point this is the ultimate class for WotR.
Hope you are safe. Heard Chicago was hit bad.
I recruited a demonslayer merc during my first playthrough, she was wielding a longspear and fighting with a big dog (called Buddy). I was shocked when i started my first fight with her because did not expect the dog to be as big as a horse and having more strength than my whole party combined (37 at level 18) and more AC than my main tank tower shield wielding armored hulk (though he had double the health). im halfway sure that she was actually feeding the demons to the damn thing, along with ground beef and steroids.
she pretty much became mendatory because the dog had a higher carrying capability than a U-haul (5600 lbs, or 2.8 TONS) and the first time i tried to leave drezen without her my party got instantly crushed by the weight of my greed and essentially couldnt move.
Yup it's hard to go wrong with that class.
Sohei should be ranked S tier, probably the best 12 level class. Even you limited to 20 lv, you can still make Sohei an archer with 9 attacks and riding a horse. Unlike Zen Archer, Sohei doesn’t forbid you from using rapid shot/manyshot with flurry of blows. So, 4 from full bab + 2 from flurry + 1 from rapid + 1 from manyshot + 1 haste. And extra 1 attack from 2 level dip on Eldritch Archer, if you don’t limit to a single class.
Yeah, animal companions win out for me, thanks to all the stuff they add to the game in a mechanical sense. That and my first playthru of 'Beneath the Stolen Lands' was 6 sacred huntsmen, and having 6 leopards whom the enemy could not hit thanks to teamwork buffs, mixed with humans peppering them with arrows made that fun.
Not as useful here since they nerfed a lot of the Companion power to make the equipment more useful, and to be fair, my single leopard was able to hit for 50+ damage with every attack, had several attacks per round, and moved at 100+ feet per round, that little lady tore through everything.
Regardless, I do like that you admit biases here, while also explaining the picks when you feel they might be seen as off, placing emphasis on that these are YOUR picks, but also wanting people to understand WHY they are your picks. Very well presented, very well done.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
For some reason, I can't play with anyone other than paladin, although the first passage was Azata kineticist, and then somehow imbued with the theme. c:
You know what you should've mentioned. Spawn slayer with demon slayer dip literally makes you the doom guy in this game as you can make your fights super trivial
a little wishlist for a DLC or a sequel to a pathfinder game ?
like what classes/races do you wish to see implemented from the tabletop to the video game ?
what kind of story, mythic path you name it
whatever your heart desire ^^
Thank you for the video
My pleasure!
I've really enjoyed this entire series. And I agree that Dragon Disciple is S from a great kit + great rp potential.
Hey Slandered, I may be blind but I don't see a build video for the last undead companion, the Bard one. The spoilerino one.
Interesting I think you are right, I must have never gotten around to it. I plan to update all the old builds so I'll be sure to touch on it thanks.
@@SlanderedGaming Yay! I'm not crazy!
Hey man appreciate the content of course. Are these rankings based on going 1-20 as a pure class? Sorry if I missed that point.
I noticed that the video on the 25 base class mechanics is not included in the rankings playlist. However, you had to refer to it in later videos due to confusion resulting from missing that video. It seems including it at the top of the playlist would be helpful.
Great call out I will include it thanks!
I know this is very late, but I was looking through for info, and noticed something. Divine Hunter is listed twice on the B-ranked classes - I'm guessing #93 is the Hunter version, while #118 is the Paladin version?
Yup correct.
Hellknight Signifer also has the Hellknight reactivity btw.
what makes the skald so op imo is the fact that you can just choose who doesn't accept the inspire rage. It's an absolutely BANANAS skill by itself considering the sheer number increase on a single cast. But you can nullify the negative that you can't cast by just making your casters opt to not take it. The ability just steroids your party into oblivion and literally doesn't have a negative side unless you want it to have lol
This has been a great series and has actually got me into the game 😁. I'd love to see some build guides if you're feeling up to it
Thanks glad you enjoyed it! I definitely plan to get into some builds.
Apreciate what you do my dude, you and Crpg bro keep this super niche game alive and fun, in my humble opinion tho, only kineticist stand alone at number one, maybe not lore wise but got damn is it powerfull!
dirge bard made my first play threw trivial crazy good class . started with archeologist didn't relies it takes all the worst parts of both , was suffering threw , watched one of your vides made dirge seems very interesting and holy shit what a change all of a sudden my grp was a bulldozer.
Awesome glad you liked it!
Hey, loved your cover pic for this video, where did you get all those nice portraits please ? :)
Honestly couldn't tell you I jusd spent a lot of time on Google looking for images that appeal to me. I do searches like "Hellknight art" or "Ice Witch Art" and keep searching until I find something that I like. Honestly, sometimes that's the hardest part of making a video. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Thanks for replying, i'll try to find it, the black woman at the far right of the picture catched my eye for instance, would love to have her art for my party.
@@ringo950 www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS923US923&sxsrf=AB5stBh1EaKTaruLwlvKC7FP3rdefgFbBw:1689271656669&q=black+fighter+art&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR7Zioo4yAAxWbFjQIHc40D28Q0pQJegQIDxAB&biw=1866&bih=1043&dpr=0.9#imgrc=d7fK98wmE29jCM
@@ringo950 I did a search for "Black Fighter Art" and she was about 8 rows down.
@@SlanderedGaming Thanks man ! Found it !
Love the vid man these Class Deep-dives are hella fun to watch
Just curious, where do you think sorcerer falls after the nerfs to bag of tricky, chain lightning, and multiple draconian bloodlines?
Sorceror's are still S tier it's just that blaster casters aren't quite as dominant as they used to be.
@@SlanderedGaming Thanks for the reply!
I've just came back to this game after a while away from it and I recalled seeing your videos a while ago. Did you change your channel's name? Because I swear it was something different. Either that or old age is finally catching up with me. xD
Welcome back! The channel used to be my full name but my wife asked me to change it after I hit 1K subscribers.
@@SlanderedGaming That's fair. Any amount of online popularity is potentially going to draw attention.
Traditional monk and knife master rogue is my favourite class, super swift an able to dish out a bit of damage bite also counts as finisse natural so I chuck in tiefling or orc now
Can I ask did they change winter witch that its a B? because the only reason you would take it is if you took a shaman or witch spec that didn't have max hexes to max them out and carry through spell progression. Also its capstone is worthless when you consider ascended element and its ability to ignore resistances entirely. So the only reason you would take it from a combat standpoint is for the additional spell levels on cold spells but here is the thing you could get a lot more damage from a duel bloodline sorcerer and get a 3rd bloodline from mythic paths. So I don't see any reason for winter witch being that high outside of maybe its theme.
The theme is exactly why it's rated higher. Winter Witch is a very popular playstyle and no other class let's you roleplay that better. In my video about the class I make it clear the mechanics are very mediocre.
I have not completed the game. I mostly loose interest about the middle of chapter 3. But I like your content very much. Thx for your work.
I consider the Brown Fur Transmuter to be the best class. Having one will completely change the difficulty of the game.
If you want to play paladin, you’d have to double class Seelah into something else, treating her 1 or 2 pally levels as a dip, right.
When I started a Wildland Shaman I didn’t see any reason for a second shammy on the team, so Camellia became a demon hunter.
So here’s my question: what would you choose for Seelah? War priest, Cleric, Inquisitor or something completely different?
Cheers
Can confirm, this list will 100% require an updated version (or it has one, and I'm blind), because classes like Assassin and such- which requiring a Mythic Ability to even function, is definitely much better nowadays.
Yeah at some point I might circle back and redo it with consideration for all the updates.
HK Sig 5 level dip plus DD 4 level dip is extremely strong imo, since HK Sig is a spellcaster who probably wants to be in the thick of things. Using the Order of the Gate, you can wear Adamantine Full-Plate without penalty to casting, and DD will give you a lot of bonuses to base stats that are excellent to a melee caster. You also only lose 1 caster level, because HK Sig is full casting progression, making a merged Lich still viable
Is my game bugged or can you no longer go bloodrager into dragon disciple ? I'm looking to play demon and bloodrager seems thematically best.
Hmmm I believe Bloodrager should be an option for Dragon Disciple.
@@SlanderedGaming Just checked the prerequisites and you can no longer build into dragon disciple from bloodrager :( guess i'll just go a pure primalist, such a shame tho since you used to get so many benefits from bloodrager/dragon disciple.
@@snefff6560 Wow that's a really weird change to make.
I am a swordsaint azatha, playing wotr for the first time. will try wizard/sorcerer/demonslayer on my next playthrough.
amazingly my first playthrough was an assassin (rogue 10/assassin 10) and by golly i was ropable when i found the mechanics were largely ineffective - playthrough was saved by the fact i went demon (thank you demonic rage and demonic charge!)
Yikes. Well at least you were able to make the most of it.
6:34 Seelah is a TERRIBLE paladin though! She has 15 starting CHA, the primary stat for paladins, and starts with 2 terrible feats (dodge is useless, shield focus is only good for abusing the mounted shield bug.) You really can't build a much worse level 1 paladin than Seelah. Considering base Paladin is probably the most straightforwardly strong subclass of its archetype, it should be at least A tier. (Martyr is S imo.)
Seelah is NOT a "terrible" Paladin! 😂😂 I will not allow such slander to slide sir.
You are awesome!
Thank you!
what do you think the knife master?
I enjoy it but defensively there are holes. In my Rogue specific video within the playlist I talk about it more.
Except Angel-Oracle Slaps everything ... So not sure where the ranking comes from. Or is this specifically without Angel/Lich merges?
These rankings are based on how the classes perform on their own and not synergy with a particular mythic path.