John Barleycorn Must Die (traditional)

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  • Опубліковано 11 тра 2020
  • John Barleycorn is the personification of the barley crop which was used in the making of beer and whiskey. The process is described through the many tortures inflicted on the body of JB. At the end of the song you should be able to make your own home brew! We learned this song from Traffic.

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  • @thomasmcnamara5929
    @thomasmcnamara5929 2 місяці тому +8

    Extremely well played! 😍

  • @ancientfifer
    @ancientfifer Місяць тому +3

    Lovely! Well Played! I saw Traffic perform this in November 1971 in William and Mary Hall in Virginia. That performance etched in my mind forever. Seeing Chris Wood play flute on it launched my journey with the flute.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому +2

      Chris was a brilliant player, particularly on that album. You are so lucky to have seen the band. They never made it to Australia sadly. Xxx

  • @lloydschlomer76
    @lloydschlomer76 6 місяців тому +7

    Very great harmonization. And your combined love of music shines through in this rendition. Excellent

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much for taking the time to listen and comment ☀️

  • @lauriecox3578
    @lauriecox3578 2 місяці тому +4

    Love it. Thank you ❤

  • @markhaze8684
    @markhaze8684 5 місяців тому +4

    Once again....Thanks for this really fantastic version...Greetings from Italy...

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  5 місяців тому +1

      Grazie per avermi ascoltato... thank you for listening x

    • @markhaze8684
      @markhaze8684 5 місяців тому +2

      @@pelicanpen You are welcome!....Prego..

  • @sunlotus8
    @sunlotus8 8 місяців тому +3

    beautiful!

  • @violet807
    @violet807 Місяць тому +1

    I love this song, the steely guitar drove the distress right out of me.

  • @RoundRockMinistry
    @RoundRockMinistry 2 роки тому +11

    An excellent rendition of, as you have rightly and truthfully acknowledged. Traffic's version of the song. Beautiful voices and great pickin', mates!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks Gil. It is a fabulous song.... such a good story which you can visualise like a movie as you sing it. Traffic did it proud indeed!

  • @user-qt4ee4nb1h
    @user-qt4ee4nb1h Місяць тому

    Strayed from coastal Alabama. Saw Tull, the Stones, led zep, dire straits, many others in England and other parts of Europe before wandering toward Asia and Oz. Made it home after 37 yrs. Rested up, rarin ta go again.

  • @doofus0123
    @doofus0123 2 місяці тому +2

    Before I head your excellent version I was always partial to the Steeleye Span version. Thx for your awesome rendition!

  • @DarkShadow-rr6sm
    @DarkShadow-rr6sm 6 місяців тому +6

    Most likely the loveliest version i've heard

  • @jandenijmegen5842
    @jandenijmegen5842 Рік тому +2

    Great stuff, I enjoyed it. Amazing you're still playing this song after 50 years. On the other hand I am listening to this song for almost as long. But now it's time to have a drink.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому +1

      A song as good as this .... you could sing for 100 years!!!

  • @neilthompson8668
    @neilthompson8668 Місяць тому +2

    Excellent Thank you very much

  • @brettspotts1917
    @brettspotts1917 3 роки тому +19

    Just hearing you guys for the first time! Awesome version of this song!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks so much Brett. Glad you liked it.

  • @averyvolk3355
    @averyvolk3355 2 роки тому +5

    Oh my God. I LOVE THIS AND I LOVE THE TWO OF YOU. Thank you for sharing your music and the beauty of your souls with all of us. I love this song so dearly and I had such a good time singing along with you. Much needed medicine for my soul. Thank you, thank you, thank you. ♥️ 🙌

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому +2

      Aw thanks! So pleased that you love the song x

  • @deegeraghty9426
    @deegeraghty9426 2 роки тому +5

    Lovely version of this song. I can hear every word clearly. Thanks so much.

  • @davidbeyers7054
    @davidbeyers7054 2 місяці тому +2

    Yeah, really great cover of JBC. Some nice picking right there.

  • @TheRocker27
    @TheRocker27 Місяць тому +3

    Cool. Very nice. Sounds good. 🤘🃏🇺🇸🎸

  • @Ray-yl5jt
    @Ray-yl5jt 3 місяці тому +1

    Damn! That is absolutely beautiful to watch and listen to!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks so much for listening and for taking the time to comment x

  • @dinofloyd5271
    @dinofloyd5271 3 роки тому +3

    I am so in love with your beautiful story from the old times. Greetings from Greece!!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you and greetings to you too!

  • @hni7458
    @hni7458 3 роки тому +4

    Great! Thank you kindly for uploading.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thank you kindly a) for listening and b) for taking time to send a message.

  • @user-cr7bq4mo8r
    @user-cr7bq4mo8r 2 місяці тому +2

    Bellissima versione!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому +1

      Grazie mille per avere ascoltato!

  • @silverchessdragon
    @silverchessdragon 6 місяців тому +1

    Been enjoying this again as I frequently do, and I just wanted to say thank you again for all its wonderful positivity and joy in this uplifting performance.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  6 місяців тому

      Huge thanks for your lovely response xxx

  • @j311ycaa5
    @j311ycaa5 3 роки тому +5

    Hands-down my favorite cover of this song, and your story makes it that much better. Cheers from the United States!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +1

      So kind of you to comment. It IS a great song and our version pays a big tribute to Traffic's 60's epic. Best wishes to you from the other side of the globe!

  • @kwaichangcaine8234
    @kwaichangcaine8234 Місяць тому +1

    Fantastic 😮

  • @atvseatexchange2176
    @atvseatexchange2176 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic, big fan of that song for a long time.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for listening!

    • @atvseatexchange2176
      @atvseatexchange2176 2 роки тому

      @@pelicanpen It also helped me fill in some of the words I wasn't sure about. Thanks again.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      @@atvseatexchange2176 Terrific!

  • @MariaPerez-gb6tf
    @MariaPerez-gb6tf 3 роки тому +2

    A very good versión.

  • @georgeshotzbarger3955
    @georgeshotzbarger3955 3 роки тому +2

    👍 The hand gestures added another nice layer of "story-telling" to that most wonderful ballad‼️

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks George for taking the time to communicate. x

  • @alessandroventuri3666
    @alessandroventuri3666 2 роки тому +2

    Amazing!!!!!!

  • @morenobodetic7003
    @morenobodetic7003 2 роки тому +2

    BRAVO!!🍀

  • @jonathanwalters999
    @jonathanwalters999 9 місяців тому +1

    This is a beautiful version of this wonderful ballad. Thank you so much for sharing it!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  9 місяців тому

      Thanks for lending your ears!

  • @wayfaringstranger19
    @wayfaringstranger19 2 роки тому +5

    Исполнение потрясающе 🔥

  • @billyshane3804
    @billyshane3804 Рік тому

    Roger and Penny are sheer joy. Thank you for everything you post. Love your work. Absolutely beautiful. God bless you both.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому

      So pleased you are enjoying the music

  • @Caravaggio-ws3zs
    @Caravaggio-ws3zs 2 роки тому +1

    AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE VERSION.THANKS

  • @nacho76
    @nacho76 Місяць тому

    Beautifully played and sang!❤

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому

      Thanks! Such a great song!

  • @greglee101
    @greglee101 3 роки тому +2

    You bring a smile to my soul.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Oh thank you. You bring one to ours!

  • @lawrencecrook1923
    @lawrencecrook1923 Рік тому +1

    Great old folk song

  • @johnregan8327
    @johnregan8327 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliant stuff 👏..

  • @100Noddy
    @100Noddy 2 роки тому +1

    Love the sound of the 12 strings. Beautiful.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thanks Noddy for listening!

  • @christophepical5933
    @christophepical5933 3 роки тому +2

    Keep it simple! 😉 Traffic, BST, CSNY, Joni Mitchell... is what I was exposed to in the late 70s, when at school, it was the top50 of the days that was popular.

  • @silverchessdragon
    @silverchessdragon 3 роки тому +4

    This is such a beautiful performance, total delight! Thank you so much.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks so much for listening

  • @jonathanpatterson2882
    @jonathanpatterson2882 2 роки тому +1

    great cover thanx so much

  • @gregd8427
    @gregd8427 Рік тому +1

    Only a few seconds in and this is already outstanding.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Greg! Hope it continued to be good right to the end! Thanks so much for listening! P&R

    • @gregd8427
      @gregd8427 Рік тому

      @@pelicanpen It did. Thank you for sharing!

  • @hansstekelenburg6390
    @hansstekelenburg6390 3 роки тому +2

    An absolute charming version

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thank you Hans. So kind of you to take the time to comment. x

  • @Salieri47
    @Salieri47 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing this with us!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      It's such a grand song! Glad you enjoyed our version.

  • @infledermaus
    @infledermaus 2 роки тому

    Fantastic! Madam, you have a beautiful voice! Oh, and you play MY instrument! Yay, mandolins!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thanks so much. It's a great song isn't it!

  • @miccar2005
    @miccar2005 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you. Beautiful!

  • @judyharter8265
    @judyharter8265 3 роки тому +3

    Beautiful rendition of this! Love the mandolin with a 12 string.

  • @pamkoonsHubbysinging
    @pamkoonsHubbysinging 2 роки тому +1

    This is so excellent!!

  • @scrimshank1
    @scrimshank1 Місяць тому

    Very nice version. First heard the song by John Renbourne which is top notch as well.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому

      Thanks for listening first of all, and for taking the time to comment...you are very kind. X

  • @Dragon_rls
    @Dragon_rls 3 роки тому +2

    That was fantastic. Thanks so much for posting. A really fantastic version, of a great song.

  • @seveglider8406
    @seveglider8406 2 роки тому +1

    BRAVO!

  • @johnbrereton5229
    @johnbrereton5229 Рік тому

    Excellent in every aspect, well done !

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому

      Thank you John for taking the time to send us this positive feedback. Much appreciated.

  • @CrimsongKing
    @CrimsongKing 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome !!!

  • @MarkMelara
    @MarkMelara 6 місяців тому +1

    This was my pandemic song.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  6 місяців тому

      It was certainly one of ours!

  • @sdeugdad
    @sdeugdad 3 роки тому +1

    Wonderful cover of this old man JB. I remember Jethro Tull and Traffic. Congratulations from France.

  • @paulaweizer9916
    @paulaweizer9916 2 роки тому +1

    Love your rendition of this amazing piece !!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thank you Paula. Such a great song! It practically sings itself!

  • @JaydeepMajumdar55
    @JaydeepMajumdar55 2 роки тому

    Excellent , very heart touching. Thank you very much Penny & Rogers

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thank you for listening!!!! Lovely to hear from you.

  • @noir2ciel
    @noir2ciel 2 роки тому +1

    Really really great! Thanks for this beautiful cover!

  • @notsatch
    @notsatch 2 роки тому

    Very nice rendition of one of my favorite songs! Thanks!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thanks to you too for listening.

  • @jamiekane8339
    @jamiekane8339 3 роки тому +1

    Very nice! We really enjoyed it. Thank you for posting.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks for taking the time to respond. We really appreciate your feedback.

  • @johndelucia8856
    @johndelucia8856 Рік тому

    PENNY DAVIES & ROGER ILOTT, LOVE IT.
    I LOVE THE 12 STRING GUITAR. PENNY KILLS IT ON THE WORDS.
    GOD BLESS YOU. LISTENING FROM THE USA

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому

      Thanks John, much appreciated.

  • @tigercat73
    @tigercat73 3 роки тому +1

    Without doubt the best cover of this great song I've ever heard. Absolutely awesome very simple but yall definitely knocked it out of the park. I love music I can feel!!!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +1

      Wow, thanks Tiger! So kind of you to comment after listening.

  • @chriskris4288
    @chriskris4288 3 роки тому

    Perfect harmony, well taken,one of my favourite track.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks for taking the time to listen and to comment. Much appreciated!

  • @garrington120
    @garrington120 2 роки тому +2

    Love this great version of the Traffic song

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Much much older than Traffic of course....a great song..and thanks for your appreciation

    • @garrington120
      @garrington120 2 роки тому +1

      @@pelicanpen Agreed but only really popularized by Steve Winwood and Traffic for our generation ( I,m 70 ) and have loved the song and all associated with the 60s and 70 s . My biggest disappointment was that Jethro Tull who have been my favourite band of that era , never recorded JB ( apart from the abortion with that Greek guy ) with Anderson on flute and vocals it could have been amazing !!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      @@garrington120 that is definitely where we both first heard it!!!!

  • @davematson939
    @davematson939 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful! Thanks for this.

  • @JPhilipCoombs
    @JPhilipCoombs 3 роки тому +2

    Very nice version! Being a hacker of the 12 string, I enjoyed not just the guitar playing, but the harmony with the mando; also the voices.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for listening Phil. Keep on jangling!

  • @patrimarti
    @patrimarti 3 роки тому +1

    Outstanding version, well done!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks Phil. So pleased we hit the spot!

  • @Redsince66
    @Redsince66 3 роки тому

    Great version of this wonderful song.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thank you Gerard for taking the time to make contact. Much appreciated. We LOVE the song and have been singing it since the 60's (Roger) and 70's (Penny). Traffic's version is inspiring to say the least... but there was so much cross-pollination going on back then with folk songs and electricity!

  • @romanticoide75
    @romanticoide75 9 місяців тому

    Bravissimi!!! This is my favourite ballad!!!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  9 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's SUCH a great song and on it goes, hundreds of years after someone thought of it!!!

  • @kathyandgeorgestephens7504
    @kathyandgeorgestephens7504 3 роки тому +1

    Just discovered your vid channel. Great stuff, and great to see you again, if only virtually! Come back to Maine when you're able!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Great to hear from you! Oh Maine...how we wish!!!!

  • @bobjolly7795
    @bobjolly7795 2 роки тому +2

    I love this song and you’ve done it justice

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thanks Bob. It's a great song!

  • @erpata7a
    @erpata7a 3 роки тому +1

    BRAVI !! stupenda esecuzione!! Marvelous execution !

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Diolch yn fawr! Thank you very much!!!

  • @aqualityexistence4842
    @aqualityexistence4842 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful. Thanks!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment x

  • @RADLADRICK
    @RADLADRICK 2 роки тому +1

    That guitar sounds amazing and your one hell of a picker. Both very talented !

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому

      Thanks ... another great song!!!

  • @stevechurch4728
    @stevechurch4728 3 роки тому +1

    yes enjoyed that thank you, the instruments sounded great together too, good choice. thanks.

  • @tomgaylord1601
    @tomgaylord1601 3 роки тому +1

    A wonderful cover.

  • @user-qt4ee4nb1h
    @user-qt4ee4nb1h Місяць тому +1

    Saw Jethro tull back in early 70s or maybe late 60s do this song in London.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому

      I never knew JT did the song. Saw them in Sydney in the 70's sometime... always loved them too ...

  • @unstrung65
    @unstrung65 3 роки тому

    Fantastic !!!

  • @theab7123
    @theab7123 Рік тому

    wonderful! and the accompanying birds are a unique addition :)

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Рік тому +1

      So pleased you enjoy our version. And the birds are pleased also!

  • @spikeokc
    @spikeokc 3 роки тому +1

    Very, VERY WELL DONE, Penny and Roger!!! I LOVE this song because I, too, sang harmony on this in an acoustic duo upon my insistence! GREAT JOB on a GREAT SONG!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks! Such a great song! Is your version on YT? Best wishes.

    • @spikeokc
      @spikeokc 3 роки тому

      @@pelicanpen No, unfortunately we never filmed it and I can't even find my audio copy, thus the late reply. When I find it I will post it and send it to you. Cheers!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      @@spikeokc That will be grand! Thanks so much.

  • @alienalajna
    @alienalajna 2 місяці тому +3

    A beautiful rendition of a great classic. Excellent singing and playing as well. (Are you sure that's only a twelve-string guitar? Sounds like 24 to me!)
    A comment about the language: I hear you sing "cut", whereas Winwood seems to sing "cort him skin from bone". This seemed an odd, old term, but after living in a Italy for years and learning Italian, it made more sense. Here "riso decorticato" means rice from which the husk has been removed. It also refers to the practice of skinning animals - including the occasional unfortunate human, flaying, in other words. As Apollo did to Marsyas (spitefully, because Marsyas outdid Apollo musically, I think), or as happened to various martyrs. John Barleycorn passed his own Stations of the Cross, and gave his life so that we may drink and be merry.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks so much for the interesting comment! I will do some research on the lyrics.

    • @alienalajna
      @alienalajna 2 місяці тому

      I''ve listened to ten or twelve renditions of the song, and everyone sings "cut", except for The Watersons, in their (or his) a cappella version, where it's "cort". I've checked the etymology via Wiki, which does not support my brilliant hypothesis. But "cut" has not the same sense as "skin" or "flay" or "cort", so I like "cort" better. But I hate to quibble - it's still a great old tune, one way or the other. If I wanted to quibble, it would just be a sign that I need to lighten up and have a drink.
      In my old homebrew book (by Charlie Papazian), a few very old ale recipes are recounted. In one, called, I think, "Old Cock Ale", one is instructed to obtain an old cock (in the sense of rooster, please!), and to "flea him (flay him?)" - parenthesis in the original - then to let him marinate in the barley malt and hops for a few weeks. I haven't tried the recipe, as I haven't an old cock available. Papazian also gives us a clever motto, inspired by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young's "Déja vu": "Déja brew - we have all been beer before." @@pelicanpen

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 місяці тому

      Hilarious! I have the same home brew book too where you stick an old rooster in the brew. Sounds exceedingly delightful I must say. In our Penguin book of British Folk Songs it does say "cut", however I rather like your etymology. Thanks for the very interesting discussion. x

    • @alienalajna
      @alienalajna 2 місяці тому +1

      @@pelicanpen Ah, so we are literally on the same page! Of a book I had thought rather esoteric! I no longer brew (cue sad violin music), for the sake of other commitments, but I have my replacement copy of Papazian, the Homebrew Bible (cue thunderbolts). I had lent my first to an Italian friend who wanted to take up home brewing, and don't you know, I never got it back! But I don't mind, as I'm sure it has been worthwhile.

  • @treadman26
    @treadman26 2 роки тому +1

    Great rendition!

  • @tberrardy
    @tberrardy 3 роки тому

    Beautiful!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks Terry, So nice of you to comment.

  • @jimmy200570
    @jimmy200570 2 роки тому +1

    I know this song from Mr. King of Inside no 9. Those children are creepy when they sang this song happily.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  Місяць тому

      Unsure of the reference as we live in Australia, but hope our version dispelled the fear😂

  • @electricfetus100
    @electricfetus100 3 роки тому +2

    Great vocals !

  • @johndelucia8856
    @johndelucia8856 2 роки тому +1

    bravo.........

  • @jiguma
    @jiguma 4 роки тому

    Have I said before ...... "love the jangle Rog"? Fine performance of a favourite tune :)

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks Neil..... jangle on!

  • @mrbee3377
    @mrbee3377 2 роки тому +1

    OutSTANDing… this is how it’s done kidz!!!

  • @gkprivate433
    @gkprivate433 3 роки тому

    beautiful

  • @meazmo
    @meazmo Рік тому +1

    nice picking and a terrific version

  • @TheTibbott
    @TheTibbott 2 роки тому +1

    WOW!

  • @antonionuvoli8044
    @antonionuvoli8044 3 роки тому

    Complimenti, 👍👏👏 Bravi davvero...NICE

  • @daveknow
    @daveknow 2 роки тому

    Great performance

  • @nkostas124
    @nkostas124 3 роки тому

    great job guys !!

  • @lawrencecrook1923
    @lawrencecrook1923 5 місяців тому +2

    Bliss

  • @RealityOrganized
    @RealityOrganized 6 місяців тому +2

    Wonderful version! Great recording! How did you mic/ record this? Have you got boom mics over your heads out of camera, and wireless in each the 12-string and mandolin? If you did this with just one mic, how did you balance it so well?

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  6 місяців тому +1

      SO very basic! We have a studio in our house, but this clip was made with a Canon PowerShot on a tripod...in-camera mic. Balance was achieved by shoving some felt inside the mandolin!!!

    • @RealityOrganized
      @RealityOrganized 6 місяців тому +1

      @@pelicanpenThank you. That's great balance for one in-camera mic.

  • @rumplestiltskin5280
    @rumplestiltskin5280 3 роки тому

    Very well done

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thank you David. Isn't it a fantastic song!

  • @Maranatha14
    @Maranatha14 2 роки тому +1

    Steve Winwood sure did a good job with this song, btw so too have you guys!

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  2 роки тому +1

      He certainly did! It was very inspirational!

  • @res3382
    @res3382 3 роки тому

    As an American I appreciate very much the English ingredients added to our musical palate which produced American folk, bluegrass, country, blues ,Americana,etcetc.

    • @pelicanpen
      @pelicanpen  3 роки тому

      Thanks so much! We live in Australia .... so that's the extra flavour that you were wondering about!!!!