The main issue that caused the ending to be such a disastrous nightmare is the indecisive nature of the story. It establishes one thing (Hikaru being a broken soul, Ruby proclaming she wouldn't be like Ai, etc) and then it decides it doesn't want to be that way anymore, and takes a complete detour while ignoring all prior build up, resulting in a complete contradiction of various themes and plotlines in the story. The ending itself literally goes against everything Ai's character stood for and it really is a shame.
Yeah, this is a lot more of a fundamental flaw that I feel like one of the more common sentiment that “the ending was just rushed” wouldn’t solve, since this isn’t a case of the story simply not having enough time to flesh out the ideas but the fact the story just completely reverts back on all the themes and messages it was sending.
@@chanr9531 yeah this was sort of apparent a bit before the ending. When you started seeing the story sort of waiver on what it wants to do with Aqua, Ruby, & Hikaru’s character, and the absolutely nonsensical conclusion the three had despite the build up the story was doing for their character arcs.
@@SolaireOfToast I do find wonderful things in characters such as Akane, Kana, and Ai, but everything else is sadly terribly handled after a certain point.
Threw his life away to be obsessed with an idol, threw his life away to avenge said idol. He did not consider the fact that Sarina will be left alone, yet AGAIN, and his resolve to stop her from being an idol completely got scrapped away as well. Throw this throw that, fitting for 🗑️ .
Also, he revenged Ai for what? If he’s concern for Ruby’s safety, he could just hire a bodyguard or something. Plus, Ai loved her children dearly as she stated to him before her death. She wouldn’t want him to lost his life just for her or his sister.
It's a very common trope in Manga/Japanese literature. Vengeance is bad, it will always get you killed. It's often overused and in this case, very badly used.
@@chanr9531 I’d say worse, it feels like Getting into a working game story at around half or 75% And decide to end it there, and cheaply modify the dialogues to make it barely fit
The ending basically continue the toxic cycles of lies and deaths. And poor Ruby has no family, unless she consider her half-older brother. The only good thing about the ending is that incest didn’t happened .
@@tunatwona That's not how this works, stop trying to make the illogical logical, because that's bordering insanity levels... I swear some of you haven't been visited by the men in white yet, when you start believing drawings/animation = real people = real ages +m past lives = reality., like really mentally unstable thoughts you guys are having these days. I feel like I'm the one generation that grew up with the outside world, books and real people, and also being able to tell what's real and what's fake, and not trying to meld the two together like some narcissistic psychopath.
As soon as you said Aqua died I thought “they f-ed up”. Like the entire point of the story so far in the anime has been about how he needs to learn to not throw his life away I think a lot of the newer manga are either having too much oversight or being told to finish before they wanted to. I think Attack on Titan was always supposed to end that way but I think it needed longer post time skip to get used to the new versions of the characters. I think Dr Stone’s ending was quickly rapped up and while I didn’t necessarily dislike it, it was anticlimactic. If it was one or two then I’d think it was just certain authors don’t know how to write endings, but there are so many that I feel like something must be going on in the industry. The only “perfect” ending I can think of recently is Mob Psycho and that was a relatively short run. I hope that the anime notices the dissatisfaction and tweaks it to either make his death feel meaningful and keep the characters arcs intact or forget Aqua’s death in place of a different climax (literally could kill off any other character and have it feel more meaningful. Killing off a character who doesn’t have much of a drive to live is never a good option because it’s so much more tragic when someone who has dreams for the future dies and the one ready for death has to keep going without them)
Lol sad . I just watched episode one again and it literally proved why the ending was expected. Aqua's goal was always to kill his father. Only this time, he had different motives from simple revenge. The facts you kids are crying and whining over something anyone with a working brain could see coming from that early one is laughable. Admit it. The only reason the ENDING IA HORRIBLE is because none of your Aqua ships will be canon. Did people forget what kind of Vibe Oshi No Ko had from the get go or did that all change in your minds because of love shippings? SMH reminds me of how MHA's ending was called bad yet it was the pathetic fan base who force the creator to literally make a 2 way delay ending to ward off the amount of death threats he was receiving due to the possibility of Deku not being with Bakugo. Just because a series didn't end the way you wanted doesn't mean it's a bad ending. Grow up already people
yeah, i stopped at dad's life being somewhat ruined by movie and Ai's confession (that was latest chapter at time) and thought people complain about ending by some stupid reasons like who Aqua ends up with or some other ending nuances. But Aqua being killed during revange is literally the opposite derection this manga was going this whole time.
I mean it is bad for all the reasons you explained, it further more contradicts itself since even if we want to go ahead and say the only solution was to kill Hikaru (despite capturing Nino hours prior and through her confession it was possible to dig up a bunch of dirt on Hikaru’s other victims) Aqua’s reason for killing himself is ….because if Ruby was related to a murderer that would be bad press for her….but being related to a murderer father was good somehow? Are you seriously trying to tell me the media wouldn’t eat up a story about a brother killing a murderer in self defence of his sister? People love a good martyr story so this isn’t even beyond the realm of possibility.
It could have been much more simple, just make Hikaru and Aqua fight and then either they kill each other or Aqua gets into a coma like in any half decent Brasilian soap opera.
@ that or like actually put Ruby in danger so Aqua dying would actually be a sacrifice if we are sticking with what we have. Cause as it stands she was literally in none but Aqua thinks “hmmm gotta kill myself and my dad no other options” When he knows Akane is covering Nino and she was caught hours ago, just go to Kana’s graduation bro you’re fucking good.
this entire ending is basically just Aka Akasaka (the creator) having a mental breakdown over the backlash he got for messing up all the rules HE created HIMSELF for the story.
I've always had this firm belief that no matter the writer, no matter their status in life, it does not shield you from valid criticism and generally being called out for bad writing. This manga/anime had actual real promise, and yet the writer chose to "deliberately" write multiple plot holes, inconsistences and leave parts unresolved, while cramming in shock value points (when he did not need that many in place). Like with BeastStars, we get yet another manga that starts off small, builds up a world in front of it's audience, then decides to smash it all/squander it's total value, with excuses like "I meant for all that to happen", as if that makes you an objectively good storyteller (it in fact does not). I'm just disappointed that we have yet another author that refuses to acknowledge that they screwed their own writing, their own IP, and rather than humbling themselves they pass it off as if it was always meant to end up in a bad state, like that is not how this works dear authors. You write a good story that ties up all loose ends, or you get lazy and write in hamstrung plot points that matter very little, or worse, "leaving it up to the viewer to decide" (I don't care what excuses that can be made for that template, it's straight up lazy from a storytellers perspective).
Everyone is wrong here. I proposed the “spite theory”. There is circumstantial evidence to point that Aka spited us. It’s not how it ended, which was according to him done years prior. It was why it ended like this is the issue. A tragic ending is not the issue. Aka spited us with the nonsensical and soulless push to end the manga. I enter exhibit A into record. 18 months or so ago, Aka is on record saying that he wanted to end the manga. His editors begged him to reconsider since the anime blew up. He agreed to continue this to help keep the anime relevant. Exhibit B: 2 years ago, Aka was on record saying that when he gets bored he starts a new manga and tries to end the previous one. 2 yrs ago what ended…the other manga connected to this world. Exhibit C: Aka started in 2023 his latest work Love Agency, it was cancelled in June due to low ratings. Exhibit D: Oshi no Ko’s writing defoliated in mid-June which was the last half of the Ai Movie Arc, but due to mangas being written earlier than they are release this was written in mid-May. Exhibit E: Aka already announced his new project which takes 6 months of planning to get it up and running. Mid-May/June. Aka spited us for not supporting Love Agency and forcing him to continue a work he wanted to end 18 months ago.
Most people are angry when they accidentally see the spoiler and then here is me who is always watching the review of an ending first and then deciding if the anime/manga is even worth my time lol
Relatable! I usually get to know all the spoilers, wait like half a year, then get into the series. By then a lot of spoilers are out of my head enough to surprise me, but not enough for me to get confused 😅
Tbh I’m not rly sad with Aqua’s ending as much as I find Ruby’s ending disappointing. Her whole arc was that she’s not gonna be like Ai, the ending reverts it all and makes her Ai for no reason.
I think saying Ruby's character was reversed in the end is a bit off base. She's not living to be just like Ai, nor is she just living for something as soulless as revenge. While Ai lied for herself to learn what love is, Ruby already knows it, and lies in order to distribute that love to her fans and those around her so she can be that star for them. I think that's the foil with the twins vs Ai and Kamiki. Lying for the sake of others vs lying for the sake of yourself.
What is the measurable difference? You can say that she "already knows love" all you want but that doesn't change that she's doing the exact same thing as Ai. This screams of "but now for the right reasons" character arcs while are generally lame as they produce no actual change in behaviour, only subtle changes in mindset. Learning that your cooking method was actually the best all along now that you really think about it is not a good character arc. You can do this kind of loopy arc but the character has to actually explain what changed in a way that doesn't feel hamfisted
Bro also forgot the whole weird inc3st between Aqua an Ruby and how Aqua as the supposed “adult” and more mature one, didn’t even put boundaries between him and Ruby, or even explain that they aren’t the same as their past life, plus WHY would you need the sister ,plus the big age gap from the past life that makes it double illegal, to be a “love interest” when Kana is right there and is a good character with a solid personality and relationship. It’s just so obvious that it was mainly done for weird fan service. Plus there is this weird crow edgy goddess that was a big fraud and just empty plot device. It felt rushed, it was badly written and weird…
In my opinion, oshi no ko really pushes the idea that the world moves on and that it doesn't stop specifically for someone. Generally in fiction, since the world revolves around the main character, it makes it seem as though time moves slower when a critical moment happens and everything changed around them, but in oshi no ko, after an important moment, it just goes on Take for example Ai's death, right after the emotional scene, it skips straight towards a news reporter talking about Ai's death and within like 10 minutes, everything goes back to normal. Another example is when Aqua cries at the end of tokyo blade, even though Kana knew that Aqua was torturing himself and both Kana and Akane knowing that something is up (probably), the scene just skips straight after the show finishes, showing that immediately after that, the world moves on and basically no one cares after a while. The final example is from Aqua's death, after like 1 chapter and a half, everyone moves on and Aqua gets treated as another unfortunate case of someone getting murdered. (Do correct me if im wrong, but I just feel like this is a core message Aka was trying to send throughout this entire story, that is why the ending was rushed, because in the time scale of the internet, after a couple of days, something becomes extremely old news.)
That totally ignores everything aside from that one small thematic aspect. It's only relevant in terms of pacing and has no involvement with the characters which makes it a very weak point in my eyes. There is never a time a character struggles or interacts with this so it seems like a far stretch to call it the main point. Compare this to the theme of moving on which is present in so many scenes and is integral to Aqua's character. Not saying your theme doesn't exist, but I would say that it's at most a side quest. Handling the main dilemma of hate vs moving on is much more important because it's Aqua's entire character arc
I'm with phobics on this. The world moving on isn't really the focal point in the story but more of a fact. Just as you say the world moved on after Ai's murder just like eventually the characters that were close to Aqua eventually moved on and kept living. The tragedy is that because of Aqua's choices/final choice he, himself, will never get to live happily along with the people he cares about even though he really wants to. He realizes what he has thrown away by doing so. Aqua knows, just as you stated, that everything will move on so that is probably why he can make the choice that will make the people around him sad, because eventually he won't be as important (not the word I want to use, but can't think of a better word) to them as time moves on. Still him throwing away his happiness is sad not entirely defending the ending btw, I recently finished the manga and am still working out how I feel about the ending. Him making the final choice vs making a plan with the various people that could help him or even waiting for the movie to come out out that would also socially ruin his father's character. like this video said there could have been other options, but the author creates the world and this is what they made Aqua choose. So this is more of a tragedy of choosing to kill in order to protect you're little sister, and the consequences of that is what the story ends on.
Life goes on, yes it's a prevailing theme but the theme is used after the climax. It's everything else before the wrap up that people are complaining about.
This would’ve been a much better ending for Oshi no ko Aqua wakes up in the hospital right next to Ruby and Miyako they start crying and are really happy that Aqua finally woke up kana and others are really happy that Aqua is fine after that, they all go outside to give Aqua some time to rest then, the crow girl appears in Aqua’s hospital room and she tells Aqua she was the one who saved him with her god powers she tells aqua, do not throw away your life. I gave you a second chance in life You are now surrounded by people that care about you you are more loved in this life then you were in your previous one do not throw all of that away, cherish your new life do not throw away your new life after telling this to Aqua, The crow girl disappears forever hours later Aqua and Kana are talking with each other then Aqua asked kana on a Christmas date Kana is of Cours shocked after hearing this but she accepts it then, finally on Christmas Eve, Aqua and Kana go on their Christmas date they both have a good time together by the end of the date Kana confesses her feelings to Aqua she tells aqua she loves him then Aqua suddenly kisses Kana then they both start dating they tell everybody the good news that him and Kana are now dating and aqua tells Ruby that they cannot be together in this life because they are now siblings. He apologizes to Ruby, but Ruby excepts it she excepts that or an aqua cannot be together in this life, because they are now siblings then finally Aqua kana and Akane go see Ruby‘s big performance at the dorm they all cheer on Ruby and mem Cho Aqua is really happy and also cries a little bit that his sister finally achieved her dreams Aqua cheers on Ruby and they all have a very good time The final scene is Aqua Ruby Kana Akane mem Cho Miyako and Ichigo are at Ai grave and aqua finally calls Ai mom all of them give their final goodbyes to AI and Aqua, and Ruby are finally able to move on from their mother‘s death and they all say goodbye to AI 🤩 this would’ve been a much better ending than the one we got
@marshallthedalmatian2439 Tite Kubo was rushed to finish Bleach while in poor health, which hurt the overall story and ending of Bleach (it wasn't horrible but you could definitely tell he was rushing it). Right now he's supervising the anime's production of the Thousand Year Blood War and is in charge of every single change in the story be it his own or the studio's, in which these changes are absolutely MASSIVE compared to the manga and changes the core fundamentals of the story by a shit ton and adds needed context and character. TL;DR: Bleach's anime is fixing the problems in the manga.
Well, there is one last chapter left it’s a bonus chapter that is coming out in December 18. Hopefully that bonus chapter can at least salvage something because I don’t think the bonus chapter can save the ending. This manga was ruined when Aqua confronted his father on the cliff that was when the series went from being amazing to the absolute worst
Oh noes! The ending of a manga/anime is typical for amine: non-satisfying mediocre mess that feel like it was made in a hurry! That totally never happened before (all the time). Because authors are good at making some interesting idea to start things up but quite often don't know how too keep it up and almost never know how to finish it.
Aqua's final actions were completely uncalled for. He uses the argument "I'm protecting my sister", but what he did wasn't needed in the slightest. Also, I'm quite sure she'd rather be the sister of a killer and have him alive rather than losing the person she loved the most TWICE. He was a damn egoist, leaving his twin and the girl he loved in despair. There's no fucking way they will heal after that, no matter how much success they achieve. They are shattered inside and will never recover. I'm so pissed off, the only way they can redeem themselves is to make a different anime ending.
I'm willing to bet Oshi no Ko's ending is gonna get the Attack on Titan treatment as well. Manga readers will know that the ending was objectively bad because it was rushed but anime only watchers will be like: "OMG SUCH A TRAGIC ENDING, 10/10, MASTERPIECE OF OUR GENERATION, NO FLAWS AT ALL, PERFECT ENDING"
After the crow girl showed up out of nowhere I just tapped out, bc clearly this is not some mystery solving thing for the characters anymore if they’re just… using a random girl and her crows to give exposition to ruby, and just straight up show us who their dad is
The problem wasn't Aqua's death imo. Him throwing his life away to ensure Ruby's safety ties into the bittersweet theme that the manga has had since the beginning. It just kinda sucks that it feels like Ruby is repeating Ai's cycle of lying. I really would've preferred if the finale had a bit more chapters to go more in depth about both Ruby's choices and struggles, and the other characters like Kana and Akane moving on.
I think people just think their dislike of the ending is due to aqua dying, but the real reason being other more complicated things. You mentioned one of them but with aqua specifically, I'd say the reason is more his arc ending strangely and the theme of the story tied in with that arc being nonsensical. Aqua's arc is him progressing through a choice between hate and life, by the end circumstances make it so that neither wins out which makes it seem like his entire arc was pointless because a third choice just revealed itself. It's the character arc equivalent of an asspull. Dude could have had 0 development and the ending choice would have been the same. I think the sacrifice bit is the problem itself. It both means that Aqua concluded his arc by choosing life and that he dies, which are fundamentally incompatible. Both happening make his arc ring hollow because like I said, it makes it seem like it was totally pointless as it lead to death anyway. You use theme as if it meant "vibe" but it really doesn't. A theme is an idea that the story projects onto the real world and which connects it's characters and (imo mainly) plot, making the story seem united rather than a compilation of things. A basic one would be a detective story having the theme of "truth" and thus all plots are tied into finding truth. "Hate", "Pretending", "Entertainment industry" are some themes in Oshi no ko.
ok, this is the 3rd Shonen jump manga to end this year, with an absolutely foul ending, i dont remember if jjk or mha was frist but theyboth felt completely rushed, and this one is giving off the same vibes, do yall think they prematurely killed them? and maybe more manga? cuz i vaguely remember the jjk author saying there would be more after, only for sukuna to be the rushed finale, plus all the tons of unanswered questions the mha community was raving about
It feels like a mixture of external pressure and waning interest in the projects from the creators perspective. Like we know Shonen wants their new generation of golden eggs, but at the same time the creators also do not want to be shackled to Jump for years on end, churning away on the same IP, so we end up with either cancelled projects or ones rushed to completion with unresolved or non-satisfactory endings. Really Jump needs to change internally, so the creators for new manga/anime don't feel like they need to prematurely gut their own stories before they can finish or even grow into something better.
when I started reading the Oshi No Ko manga there was a chapter early on that foreshadowed the movie arc. Seeing that I thought the author likely knew how they wanted their story to conclude, and had a solid outline from beginning to end. Finishing the manga has convinced me otherwise.
This is a revenge story right? It's not about Aqua dying but on how pointless the way he died. Hikaru was already ruined and exposed publicly nowhere to run or hide as the police will sooner or later catch up to him for all of the crimes he was involved in, so Aqua confronting his father that way was a serious mistake, thus the story went downhill after that.
Is it just me or do I hear the genshin bg music? Also akane is such a underrated character in my opinion she let aqua have kana and she was well aware aqua was using her but she didn't make a fuss about it.
I only watched season 1. And stopped there. They are clipping "home sweet home Alabama" there. Only interested in the solving murder case of the idol.😅
If the goal of the anime was to make us feel pain, it was a good ending I guess... It was painful that's why we don't really like it. But it would've been so much more satisfying if he survived for ruby and the other's 😔 to know they need him...
The one thing I wanted the least was the fan favorite ship of Aqua X Ruby to sail (I didn't like how Ruby didn't care about the more than decade they spent as siblings) so while I didn't like this ending... I still prefer it to how it could have ended.
I cannot agree with you at all. The moment Oshi no Ko became bad is literally in the middle of second season anime and it simply kept this downward spiral. Ending was (not caunting the last chapter because it was rushed) the best the series was for a long time. It started as soon as Kamiki was introduced to the reader/viewer before anybody else solve the issue of Aqua's father not actually being dead. Then the child-god just let the girls where the Gorou body is and from that point onward, there is no suspense. Every piece of the puzzle reveals itself. Kamiki just sends Akane the flowwers and he is very simmilar to Aqua, not detective work required... And so forth... Add to that putting asside both Akane and Kana and it was a disaster...
Not gonna finish the video rn but this is a reminder of how anime in general has a hard time ending properly and why FMA was a goat and at the top for so many years (ironically being overtaken by this anime), it has a near perfect ending to a great story. I wonder why that's so rare, I suppose it's coz most of those stories aren't written out or planned too early and only get fleshed out after being serialized. P.S. I thought this was gonna be about controversy outside of the anime/manga based on the thumbnail & title so it's pretty misleading.
I honestly couldn't care less for Kana. She was sooo bitchy in the beginning of the story. And it's hard for me to like characters like that, even if they "change". If her whole character is about how she's insecure about being in Ruby's shadow, then why not actually put her in Ruby's shadow? Make Ruby the center of B Komachi. Show how Ichigo Pro and almost all the fans favor her over the other two. So much wasted potential in this story.
0:30 i see your opinion, instant like button. 0:45 i feel like it's even crazier since the anime dropped the best arc of Oshi no Ko and shortly after we got that garbage ending. 3:50 honestly, i liked Akane, she was only below Kana, but after learning that she was basically Aka's self-insert in the story just recently...i can't really see her the same way anymore.
It's really frustrating - author had all the pieces to have Happy Ending or Beautiful Tragedy Ending set in place. Akane is deeply frustrated with Kana because she is her former idol but fallen off and kinda gave up on personal fame so Akane can't compete with her rival and beat her fare and square. You are measured by your rivals after all. Akane also wants to repay Aqua for what he did for her and she is willing to go any length to save him. Kana frustrated with Akane because she is living reminder of her "Dark past", when she let fame go to her head and then lost said fame. Kana have a big crush on Auqa and fallen for him multiple times. Aqua want to be happy, wants to enjoy acting, wants to protect his friends and family, wants to answer Kanas feelings but his "Unfinished Business" prevents him from doing so and dragging him down. In final arc Kane was supposed to find out how Akane is trying to save Aqua confronted her and said that she will be the one who will save Aqua and she is not losing this time. Then they begrudgingly collaborate and save him during final confrontation with Hikaru Kamiki (or, alternatively, they fail and Aqua has to sacrifice himself in the heat of the moment to save them, if you prefer tragedy). This way Akane gets to save Aqua (even it is not her who saved him she does not care for her the end result is more important than the means) and she gets her former rival that she can respect back. Kana gets her confidence back and a chance that Aqua finally answers to her feelings. And Aqua at last can live his own life and pursue happiness. P.S. Also there is an issue with the main antagonist. We should know less about him, just some titbits about his tragic past and relationships with Ai - nothing concrete, the mystery is important factor here to make him actually scary. His motivation should be that no lie can last forever, even the best liars like Ai cant preserve those lies indefinitely. So all his actions is to preserve those lies this beautiful image of the Idol even at the cost of real person behind said image. He prefers a beautiful tragedy to disappointment in imperfection. He does it out of love and that is what makes him scary. Well anyway - that is the headcanon I made in my mind and I'm no touching the finale author wrote with ten foot pole. =)
Reminds me of the Orca the Killer Whale movie where in the credits, after taking it's sweet revenge, we see the Orca trapped under the frozen sea, unable to breach, implying that it will die of suffocation
Aqua's character was already fulfilled pre reincarnation. What he didn't have was given when he was reincarnated and was realized when he died: someone to protect. In his old life, his mother died birthing him and despite growing up to be a doctor, saving Sarina was out of his reach, and later, Ai was killed as well. But growing up as Aqua, he redeemed himself by saving the lives of Akane, Arima and Ruby. Throughout the story, he was hell-bent on revenge for Ai. That changed when Ruby saved him and gave him a new purpose. He killed Hikaru out of love for Ruby. The ending could've used a few more chapters but other than that, nothing went wrong character wise. Most of the readers are simply short-sighted. That said, Kana was utterly useless.
I have no problem with Aqua being killed off but it was rushed and poorly done. To me Akane was the main character of the last several chapters and Ruby was almost completely ignored.
Aqua’s death makes no sense to me. You’re telling me that these adults and everyone around him allowed him to see his father by himself without following him like they kinda know his father is dangerous so why let a 17-year-old kid go by himself like it doesn’t make any sense Also aqua didn’t think about how Ruby would feel like she’s only an idol because she wants to shine for aqua. But at the end, awkward became her mother, which was something she wanted, but didn’t want at the same time. She wanted to be like her mother, but not live like her that’s what she ends up doing anyways.
The downfall happened because the authors completely lost any interest in their story due to being barred from giving Oshi no Ko their intended ending. Mengo outright said that they wanted to go for the incest ending originally.
Oshi no ko looked promising, but before I can start it, I saw many memes about how twisted and disguisting this show. With the all the deaths, reincarnations, incest etc. I dropped it, even before I actually start to watch. But I was still a little courious about how bad is the ending and your video answered all my questions. Thanks for the great video.
What I love about people defending this is saying "Aki said this is how he wants to end this story" but nobody thought the ending made no sense? You could have multiple ways for that ending to happen,make the villain more dangerous,the main villain of the story is just an actor than hides his tracks really well,he has no political power or corruption on the system he is just a popular actor that hides his secret really well,you have celebrities in Japan being caught cheating and losing everything,but this guy is hard to caught? Make him more dangerous,you already talked about the corruption of power of indrustry,make that a point for the villain that he controls the C-suites or political parties for illegal stuff they commited with him and he recorded and kept to protect himself by doing the classic "if I go down you come with me" that way the C-suites and powerhouses protect him so they can protect themselves,that way you can make Aqua being hit on the wall as he finds no alternatives. And thats what causes for him to do that decision to pull the bad guy down,but no he had to because "he is to dangerous" my ass.
Honestly when we have like the act of the live action film I feel like they gonna change the ending of the manga in a way idk but the ending from the manga just frustrates me but the rest I just don’t really cereb
Wow, ok. Well, the whole murder plot never interested me much and why it had to be an isekai in the first place I will never understand, so... I'm not mad about the ending xD I just don't care enough. But when there isn't more realistic idol/actor/content creator stuff I'm gonna drop it. That whole business side was the interesting thing
I dont know what to even think about Aka anymore The guy has talent but can clearly get wishy washy with his own story and do weird shit At least kaguya had a mediocre ending justified with the setup it had from the beginning but this had the potential for a cool ending, even with Aqua dying
Personally I'm fine with the ending. Aqua choosing to die was a dumb decision on his part but it was hinted from the start that he didn't plan on living in a world without AI and was only driven by vengeance. His arc is that in the end, he chose to die for love instead of revenge, but he had no place in that world from the start. It made sense thematically. Regarding the fact the ending felt abrupt, it was and I would have appreciated a chapter or two at then end to give us more time with the other characters, but I don't feel it was absolutely necessary. All of them had their full arc played out over the course of the manga, there was nothing to add. I disagree regarding Ruby's development being nullified though. Her choosing to stay as an idol isn't her being trapped into a path by others. It is a thing she chose by herself, despite the advices of those around her, especially Aqua. If his death had led her to switch career, that would have implied that he controlled her completely or at least that she was only motivated by her love for the doctor, which isn't healthy to say the least. OnK got a lot of hate in its later parts and I feel it's not always justified. While some decisions could have been better and the author leaned at time a bit too much into shock value, the characters stayed consistent and enjoyable and the story never felt dragged. I think the story did offer a lot and so people grabbed at parts of it and expected it to be just that, be it a revenge thriller, a drama about the entertainment industry, a love story... and when the story didn't conform to their expectations, they got angry. It is, overall, a fantastic manga in my opinion and given the quality of the anime, I'm hopeful they can fix some of the small gripes I have with it.
Someone gets it. Like OP's comment, I don't have a problem with the ending or the idea/message that the ending wanted to tell, per se. My *entire* gripe on the other hand is the pacing, ergo, the road on how we got to the destination in the first place. There should've been more time to flesh things out for the characters and what the consequences of Aqua's choice meant for everyone and how they deal with it which in turn, can either help make or break them as they resolve everything about the story. Like I'm sorry, but you don't just glaze over everything like that when *the* most climatic plot element of the story happened. It just screams laziness and creative burnout. OnK's still a good story but the ending, no matter whether you liked it or not, will always be a dark cloud hanging over its legacy and Aka's writing. Hope they make an anime only ending out of it.
ending was wack, yeah. honestly, we should have known something was up with how long this manga took. and the last big break and 3 weeks for the author aka to play games. which i get, i understand where aka says that he wants to be treated more human as a creator.... BUT this was a bit over the line. looking at the whole series now complete, this shit was so messy. needed another writer on the team.
What I feel about the Oshi No Ko Ending is that it's a reflection of real life. It's like a way of showing how you make poor choices in the spur of the moment as well as not thinking about it more in depth without emotions in the way. This manga was written as a reflection of the entertainment industry in real life, its just literally rooted in reality. But of course once some people who either want to be mad about something and anything or is complaining cus the ending isn't what they wanted it to be. The ending is an ending, and if they can't accept that in life not everything will go their way then they should write their own story.
lmao didnt even mention the incest tease that got suddently introduced and then dropped lol also, apperently the author got a new manga/novel released soon after the manga ended so everyone just speculate that the auther lost interest with the story and just wanted it to end and shift focus on their new project
The manga killed off its naruto in a show about naruto because according to the dumb author he took away the attention from sasuke and sakura. If that's not scream stupid i don't know what does. This manga was never gonna work because you kill the whole point of the show.🤦 How the hell you think it was gonna work well after.
I get your problems with it, but I was okay with all of that. Sometimes, stories don't work out as an ideal happy fairyland with pink unicorns farting rainbows. Sometimes character arcs turn into warnings. But, like I said, I understand preferring that characters learn from their mistakes and grow in a positive way. It's a matter of preferences.
ok i don't want to say this but i never really liked it... still tho, i just had one opinion on what was for most folks a pretty good show, so learning that the ending was this impressively bad was kinda crazy.
Bad endings are good because its fresh and you never will see it coming the best part of watching a medium. I dont get how people can watch shonen shows it’s literally the same formula every ark over and over again. The best shows are the shows you get caught off guard this is why i believe Vinland saga is the best shows.
There is a way to handle unexpected twists. But doing so requires skill and a lot of planning so the buildup makes sense and when you watch things you can feel like "Oh, this makes sense" Bad endings suck because it is the equivalent of the author cheating at the last minute to try to boast being "smarter" than the audience when they figure things out. And shock for the sake of shock si cheap and offers nothing proper. COnclusion? Bad endings are bad for a reason, just because you come up with a last minute reveal it doesnt mean its clever. If you throw san on an ice cream you were enjoying, you aren't going to like it just because it was sudden Disclaimer: With Bad endings i mean legitimatedly bad ones. Not necessarily tragic ones as even supossed happy endings can still be bad if the implications make no sense with what is intended to show
This is kind of completely unrelated but i kinda hate seeing jjk being put alongside certain other works as worst endings of all time , not because i think its good heck i could make an hour long video about everything wrong with it if i knew how to edit but i think of its ending is more disappointing than it is bad , it threw plot lines out the window , gave multiple extremely mediocre conclusions to like 4 characters at least and ended without explaining a long list of plot holes , but it doesn't ruin in particular , i mean technically it ruined what we could have gotten if the writer took the ending seriously but no character is ruined or assassinated even if the conclusion to their arcs couldn't have been more mid but at least they feel intact overall , unlike oshi here for example in which it does give its characters outright shitty conclusions seemingly for the sake of shock value while assassinating other ones and by doing so did overall ruin the series and not just give it an ultra mediocre ending like jjk , these are my thoughts
I guess I'm the only one who didn't hate the ending. All these justifications I hear everywhere about why this ending is the worst comes down to feeling betrayed because y'all desperately wanted a happy ending. How many revenge stories outside of Kill Bill have one, though?
YO! Add verbal or visual spoiler warnings IN THE VIDEO; I was concerned about what might've happened with the manga, but I did NOT want the whole ending of the manga spoiled for me without warning. Mention in the description is not enough. Downvoting because of that. 😕
The main issue that caused the ending to be such a disastrous nightmare is the indecisive nature of the story. It establishes one thing (Hikaru being a broken soul, Ruby proclaming she wouldn't be like Ai, etc) and then it decides it doesn't want to be that way anymore, and takes a complete detour while ignoring all prior build up, resulting in a complete contradiction of various themes and plotlines in the story. The ending itself literally goes against everything Ai's character stood for and it really is a shame.
Yeah, this is a lot more of a fundamental flaw that I feel like one of the more common sentiment that “the ending was just rushed” wouldn’t solve, since this isn’t a case of the story simply not having enough time to flesh out the ideas but the fact the story just completely reverts back on all the themes and messages it was sending.
@@chanr9531 yeah this was sort of apparent a bit before the ending. When you started seeing the story sort of waiver on what it wants to do with Aqua, Ruby, & Hikaru’s character, and the absolutely nonsensical conclusion the three had despite the build up the story was doing for their character arcs.
@@joegamingaxe someone better write fanfic
I am glad i dropped the Manga half way through. It got only worse
@@SolaireOfToast I do find wonderful things in characters such as Akane, Kana, and Ai, but everything else is sadly terribly handled after a certain point.
Threw his life away to be obsessed with an idol, threw his life away to avenge said idol. He did not consider the fact that Sarina will be left alone, yet AGAIN, and his resolve to stop her from being an idol completely got scrapped away as well. Throw this throw that, fitting for 🗑️ .
Also, he revenged Ai for what? If he’s concern for Ruby’s safety, he could just hire a bodyguard or something. Plus, Ai loved her children dearly as she stated to him before her death. She wouldn’t want him to lost his life just for her or his sister.
It's a very common trope in Manga/Japanese literature. Vengeance is bad, it will always get you killed. It's often overused and in this case, very badly used.
The finale was so delusional there were hundreds of better alternatives
Literally my entire train of thought
@riskycyanide3628 yeah I could think of
Better finales myself sure kinda cheesy and unoriginal but still better than the one we got
It’s like picking all the worst dialogue options to get the bad ending 😂
@@chanr9531 I’d say worse, it feels like Getting into a working game story at around half or 75%
And decide to end it there, and cheaply modify the dialogues to make it barely fit
I'm a simple man. I see a Kurisu profile pic, I give like.
The ending basically continue the toxic cycles of lies and deaths.
And poor Ruby has no family, unless she consider her half-older brother.
The only good thing about the ending is that incest didn’t happened .
Incest anime would have been better. It’s gross but not as bad when you know who they were in past lives.
@@revy1370If Aka Akasaka went with the incest route, this video would've still existed. Just with different story related stuffs explained in it💀
@@revy1370 no ❤
@@revy1370its even worse when u know who they were in their past lives ☠️
@@tunatwona That's not how this works, stop trying to make the illogical logical, because that's bordering insanity levels...
I swear some of you haven't been visited by the men in white yet, when you start believing drawings/animation = real people = real ages +m past lives = reality., like really mentally unstable thoughts you guys are having these days.
I feel like I'm the one generation that grew up with the outside world, books and real people, and also being able to tell what's real and what's fake, and not trying to meld the two together like some narcissistic psychopath.
As soon as you said Aqua died I thought “they f-ed up”. Like the entire point of the story so far in the anime has been about how he needs to learn to not throw his life away
I think a lot of the newer manga are either having too much oversight or being told to finish before they wanted to. I think Attack on Titan was always supposed to end that way but I think it needed longer post time skip to get used to the new versions of the characters. I think Dr Stone’s ending was quickly rapped up and while I didn’t necessarily dislike it, it was anticlimactic. If it was one or two then I’d think it was just certain authors don’t know how to write endings, but there are so many that I feel like something must be going on in the industry. The only “perfect” ending I can think of recently is Mob Psycho and that was a relatively short run. I hope that the anime notices the dissatisfaction and tweaks it to either make his death feel meaningful and keep the characters arcs intact or forget Aqua’s death in place of a different climax (literally could kill off any other character and have it feel more meaningful. Killing off a character who doesn’t have much of a drive to live is never a good option because it’s so much more tragic when someone who has dreams for the future dies and the one ready for death has to keep going without them)
Lol sad . I just watched episode one again and it literally proved why the ending was expected. Aqua's goal was always to kill his father. Only this time, he had different motives from simple revenge. The facts you kids are crying and whining over something anyone with a working brain could see coming from that early one is laughable. Admit it. The only reason the ENDING IA HORRIBLE is because none of your Aqua ships will be canon. Did people forget what kind of Vibe Oshi No Ko had from the get go or did that all change in your minds because of love shippings? SMH reminds me of how MHA's ending was called bad yet it was the pathetic fan base who force the creator to literally make a 2 way delay ending to ward off the amount of death threats he was receiving due to the possibility of Deku not being with Bakugo. Just because a series didn't end the way you wanted doesn't mean it's a bad ending. Grow up already people
yeah, i stopped at dad's life being somewhat ruined by movie and Ai's confession (that was latest chapter at time) and thought people complain about ending by some stupid reasons like who Aqua ends up with or some other ending nuances. But Aqua being killed during revange is literally the opposite derection this manga was going this whole time.
@@HerrscherOfStarsMeh, still doesn't make Aqua's death automatically good.
@@HerrscherOfStars Ok who let the 4 channer out?
It's gonna be criticize either way, Aqua live choose someone, he will seen as peod, because let's be real he is 35++ years old
I mean it is bad for all the reasons you explained, it further more contradicts itself since even if we want to go ahead and say the only solution was to kill Hikaru (despite capturing Nino hours prior and through her confession it was possible to dig up a bunch of dirt on Hikaru’s other victims) Aqua’s reason for killing himself is ….because if Ruby was related to a murderer that would be bad press for her….but being related to a murderer father was good somehow?
Are you seriously trying to tell me the media wouldn’t eat up a story about a brother killing a murderer in self defence of his sister?
People love a good martyr story so this isn’t even beyond the realm of possibility.
It could have been much more simple, just make Hikaru and Aqua fight and then either they kill each other or Aqua gets into a coma like in any half decent Brasilian soap opera.
@ that or like actually put Ruby in danger so Aqua dying would actually be a sacrifice if we are sticking with what we have.
Cause as it stands she was literally in none but Aqua thinks “hmmm gotta kill myself and my dad no other options”
When he knows Akane is covering Nino and she was caught hours ago, just go to Kana’s graduation bro you’re fucking good.
Akane’s dad was a fucking cop!!!????? I hate aka actually XD
this entire ending is basically just Aka Akasaka (the creator) having a mental breakdown over the backlash he got for messing up all the rules HE created HIMSELF for the story.
Hopefully they make a anime original ending.
@@revy1370 anime season 1 outro was already foreshadowing this bad ending we are cooked
That's like wishing to get hit on the head by a meteor in broad daylight
@@brawlmaster0190 anime orignal ending would be interesting though
Even season 1 was meta about having an adaptation make a better ending for a show that's non Manga canon but works better for the sake of true fans
Some AoT fans typed the same...
I've always had this firm belief that no matter the writer, no matter their status in life, it does not shield you from valid criticism and generally being called out for bad writing.
This manga/anime had actual real promise, and yet the writer chose to "deliberately" write multiple plot holes, inconsistences and leave parts unresolved, while cramming in shock value points (when he did not need that many in place).
Like with BeastStars, we get yet another manga that starts off small, builds up a world in front of it's audience, then decides to smash it all/squander it's total value, with excuses like "I meant for all that to happen", as if that makes you an objectively good storyteller (it in fact does not).
I'm just disappointed that we have yet another author that refuses to acknowledge that they screwed their own writing, their own IP, and rather than humbling themselves they pass it off as if it was always meant to end up in a bad state, like that is not how this works dear authors. You write a good story that ties up all loose ends, or you get lazy and write in hamstrung plot points that matter very little, or worse, "leaving it up to the viewer to decide" (I don't care what excuses that can be made for that template, it's straight up lazy from a storytellers perspective).
Everyone is wrong here. I proposed the “spite theory”. There is circumstantial evidence to point that Aka spited us. It’s not how it ended, which was according to him done years prior. It was why it ended like this is the issue. A tragic ending is not the issue. Aka spited us with the nonsensical and soulless push to end the manga. I enter exhibit A into record. 18 months or so ago, Aka is on record saying that he wanted to end the manga. His editors begged him to reconsider since the anime blew up. He agreed to continue this to help keep the anime relevant. Exhibit B: 2 years ago, Aka was on record saying that when he gets bored he starts a new manga and tries to end the previous one. 2 yrs ago what ended…the other manga connected to this world. Exhibit C: Aka started in 2023 his latest work Love Agency, it was cancelled in June due to low ratings. Exhibit D: Oshi no Ko’s writing defoliated in mid-June which was the last half of the Ai Movie Arc, but due to mangas being written earlier than they are release this was written in mid-May. Exhibit E: Aka already announced his new project which takes 6 months of planning to get it up and running. Mid-May/June. Aka spited us for not supporting Love Agency and forcing him to continue a work he wanted to end 18 months ago.
Most people are angry when they accidentally see the spoiler and then here is me who is always watching the review of an ending first and then deciding if the anime/manga is even worth my time lol
Relatable! I usually get to know all the spoilers, wait like half a year, then get into the series.
By then a lot of spoilers are out of my head enough to surprise me, but not enough for me to get confused 😅
@adish1401 lmao I thought I was the only one
yeah you always get spoilers so may as well make sure its worth reading or watching
honestly, I get this lol. Usually, it's for stuff ik I wouldn't otherwise watch
Yep, I skim the ending chapter first for every manga of anime. I mostly forget it by the point I get to that point, so no real harm done
Tbh I’m not rly sad with Aqua’s ending as much as I find Ruby’s ending disappointing. Her whole arc was that she’s not gonna be like Ai, the ending reverts it all and makes her Ai for no reason.
this truly is our oshi no ko
I think saying Ruby's character was reversed in the end is a bit off base. She's not living to be just like Ai, nor is she just living for something as soulless as revenge. While Ai lied for herself to learn what love is, Ruby already knows it, and lies in order to distribute that love to her fans and those around her so she can be that star for them.
I think that's the foil with the twins vs Ai and Kamiki. Lying for the sake of others vs lying for the sake of yourself.
What is the measurable difference? You can say that she "already knows love" all you want but that doesn't change that she's doing the exact same thing as Ai. This screams of "but now for the right reasons" character arcs while are generally lame as they produce no actual change in behaviour, only subtle changes in mindset. Learning that your cooking method was actually the best all along now that you really think about it is not a good character arc. You can do this kind of loopy arc but the character has to actually explain what changed in a way that doesn't feel hamfisted
Bro also forgot the whole weird inc3st between Aqua an Ruby and how Aqua as the supposed “adult” and more mature one, didn’t even put boundaries between him and Ruby, or even explain that they aren’t the same as their past life, plus WHY would you need the sister ,plus the big age gap from the past life that makes it double illegal, to be a “love interest” when Kana is right there and is a good character with a solid personality and relationship. It’s just so obvious that it was mainly done for weird fan service. Plus there is this weird crow edgy goddess that was a big fraud and just empty plot device. It felt rushed, it was badly written and weird…
finally someone mentions it 😭😭 it’s so hard to keep watching the show when all these weird concepts keep showing up, i find it unnecessary and gross
In my opinion, oshi no ko really pushes the idea that the world moves on and that it doesn't stop specifically for someone. Generally in fiction, since the world revolves around the main character, it makes it seem as though time moves slower when a critical moment happens and everything changed around them, but in oshi no ko, after an important moment, it just goes on
Take for example Ai's death, right after the emotional scene, it skips straight towards a news reporter talking about Ai's death and within like 10 minutes, everything goes back to normal. Another example is when Aqua cries at the end of tokyo blade, even though Kana knew that Aqua was torturing himself and both Kana and Akane knowing that something is up (probably), the scene just skips straight after the show finishes, showing that immediately after that, the world moves on and basically no one cares after a while. The final example is from Aqua's death, after like 1 chapter and a half, everyone moves on and Aqua gets treated as another unfortunate case of someone getting murdered.
(Do correct me if im wrong, but I just feel like this is a core message Aka was trying to send throughout this entire story, that is why the ending was rushed, because in the time scale of the internet, after a couple of days, something becomes extremely old news.)
That totally ignores everything aside from that one small thematic aspect. It's only relevant in terms of pacing and has no involvement with the characters which makes it a very weak point in my eyes. There is never a time a character struggles or interacts with this so it seems like a far stretch to call it the main point. Compare this to the theme of moving on which is present in so many scenes and is integral to Aqua's character. Not saying your theme doesn't exist, but I would say that it's at most a side quest. Handling the main dilemma of hate vs moving on is much more important because it's Aqua's entire character arc
I'm with phobics on this. The world moving on isn't really the focal point in the story but more of a fact. Just as you say the world moved on after Ai's murder just like eventually the characters that were close to Aqua eventually moved on and kept living.
The tragedy is that because of Aqua's choices/final choice he, himself, will never get to live happily along with the people he cares about even though he really wants to. He realizes what he has thrown away by doing so. Aqua knows, just as you stated, that everything will move on so that is probably why he can make the choice that will make the people around him sad, because eventually he won't be as important (not the word I want to use, but can't think of a better word) to them as time moves on. Still him throwing away his happiness is sad
not entirely defending the ending btw, I recently finished the manga and am still working out how I feel about the ending. Him making the final choice vs making a plan with the various people that could help him or even waiting for the movie to come out out that would also socially ruin his father's character. like this video said there could have been other options, but the author creates the world and this is what they made Aqua choose. So this is more of a tragedy of choosing to kill in order to protect you're little sister, and the consequences of that is what the story ends on.
Life goes on, yes it's a prevailing theme but the theme is used after the climax. It's everything else before the wrap up that people are complaining about.
This would’ve been a much better ending for Oshi no ko
Aqua wakes up in the hospital right next to Ruby and Miyako they start crying and are really happy that Aqua finally woke up kana and others are really happy that Aqua is fine after that, they all go outside to give Aqua some time to rest then, the crow girl appears in Aqua’s hospital room and she tells Aqua she was the one who saved him with her god powers she tells aqua, do not throw away your life. I gave you a second chance in life You are now surrounded by people that care about you you are more loved in this life then you were in your previous one do not throw all of that away, cherish your new life do not throw away your new life after telling this to Aqua, The crow girl disappears forever hours later Aqua and Kana are talking with each other then Aqua asked kana on a Christmas date Kana is of Cours shocked after hearing this but she accepts it then, finally on Christmas Eve, Aqua and Kana go on their Christmas date they both have a good time together by the end of the date Kana confesses her feelings to Aqua she tells aqua she loves him then Aqua suddenly kisses Kana then they both start dating they tell everybody the good news that him and Kana are now dating and aqua tells Ruby that they cannot be together in this life because they are now siblings. He apologizes to Ruby, but Ruby excepts it she excepts that or an aqua cannot be together in this life, because they are now siblings then finally Aqua kana and Akane go see Ruby‘s big performance at the dorm they all cheer on Ruby and mem Cho Aqua is really happy and also cries a little bit that his sister finally achieved her dreams Aqua cheers on Ruby and they all have a very good time The final scene is Aqua Ruby Kana Akane mem Cho Miyako and Ichigo are at Ai grave and aqua finally calls Ai mom all of them give their final goodbyes to AI and Aqua, and Ruby are finally able to move on from their mother‘s death and they all say goodbye to AI 🤩
this would’ve been a much better ending than the one we got
Bro is so obsessed they had to write twice
hopefully they do it in anime with anime orignal ending but I may be taking too much copium soooo
@marshallthedalmatian2439I think taking the TYBW approach would save a lot of these endings ngl.
@@ellingtonf1097 what is tybw approach?
@marshallthedalmatian2439 Tite Kubo was rushed to finish Bleach while in poor health, which hurt the overall story and ending of Bleach (it wasn't horrible but you could definitely tell he was rushing it). Right now he's supervising the anime's production of the Thousand Year Blood War and is in charge of every single change in the story be it his own or the studio's, in which these changes are absolutely MASSIVE compared to the manga and changes the core fundamentals of the story by a shit ton and adds needed context and character.
TL;DR: Bleach's anime is fixing the problems in the manga.
Well, there is one last chapter left it’s a bonus chapter that is coming out in December 18. Hopefully that bonus chapter can at least salvage something because I don’t think the bonus chapter can save the ending. This manga was ruined when Aqua confronted his father on the cliff that was when the series went from being amazing to the absolute worst
Oh noes! The ending of a manga/anime is typical for amine: non-satisfying mediocre mess that feel like it was made in a hurry! That totally never happened before (all the time). Because authors are good at making some interesting idea to start things up but quite often don't know how too keep it up and almost never know how to finish it.
Aqua's final actions were completely uncalled for. He uses the argument "I'm protecting my sister", but what he did wasn't needed in the slightest. Also, I'm quite sure she'd rather be the sister of a killer and have him alive rather than losing the person she loved the most TWICE. He was a damn egoist, leaving his twin and the girl he loved in despair. There's no fucking way they will heal after that, no matter how much success they achieve. They are shattered inside and will never recover.
I'm so pissed off, the only way they can redeem themselves is to make a different anime ending.
I'm willing to bet Oshi no Ko's ending is gonna get the Attack on Titan treatment as well. Manga readers will know that the ending was objectively bad because it was rushed but anime only watchers will be like: "OMG SUCH A TRAGIC ENDING, 10/10, MASTERPIECE OF OUR GENERATION, NO FLAWS AT ALL, PERFECT ENDING"
After the crow girl showed up out of nowhere I just tapped out, bc clearly this is not some mystery solving thing for the characters anymore if they’re just… using a random girl and her crows to give exposition to ruby, and just straight up show us who their dad is
The problem wasn't Aqua's death imo. Him throwing his life away to ensure Ruby's safety ties into the bittersweet theme that the manga has had since the beginning. It just kinda sucks that it feels like Ruby is repeating Ai's cycle of lying. I really would've preferred if the finale had a bit more chapters to go more in depth about both Ruby's choices and struggles, and the other characters like Kana and Akane moving on.
I think people just think their dislike of the ending is due to aqua dying, but the real reason being other more complicated things. You mentioned one of them but with aqua specifically, I'd say the reason is more his arc ending strangely and the theme of the story tied in with that arc being nonsensical. Aqua's arc is him progressing through a choice between hate and life, by the end circumstances make it so that neither wins out which makes it seem like his entire arc was pointless because a third choice just revealed itself. It's the character arc equivalent of an asspull. Dude could have had 0 development and the ending choice would have been the same.
I think the sacrifice bit is the problem itself. It both means that Aqua concluded his arc by choosing life and that he dies, which are fundamentally incompatible. Both happening make his arc ring hollow because like I said, it makes it seem like it was totally pointless as it lead to death anyway.
You use theme as if it meant "vibe" but it really doesn't. A theme is an idea that the story projects onto the real world and which connects it's characters and (imo mainly) plot, making the story seem united rather than a compilation of things. A basic one would be a detective story having the theme of "truth" and thus all plots are tied into finding truth. "Hate", "Pretending", "Entertainment industry" are some themes in Oshi no ko.
ok, this is the 3rd Shonen jump manga to end this year, with an absolutely foul ending, i dont remember if jjk or mha was frist but theyboth felt completely rushed, and this one is giving off the same vibes, do yall think they prematurely killed them? and maybe more manga? cuz i vaguely remember the jjk author saying there would be more after, only for sukuna to be the rushed finale, plus all the tons of unanswered questions the mha community was raving about
It feels like a mixture of external pressure and waning interest in the projects from the creators perspective.
Like we know Shonen wants their new generation of golden eggs, but at the same time the creators also do not want to be shackled to Jump for years on end, churning away on the same IP, so we end up with either cancelled projects or ones rushed to completion with unresolved or non-satisfactory endings.
Really Jump needs to change internally, so the creators for new manga/anime don't feel like they need to prematurely gut their own stories before they can finish or even grow into something better.
This is the 3rd? What are the others from Shonen Jump with an abrupt ending?
when I started reading the Oshi No Ko manga there was a chapter early on that foreshadowed the movie arc. Seeing that I thought the author likely knew how they wanted their story to conclude, and had a solid outline from beginning to end. Finishing the manga has convinced me otherwise.
This is a revenge story right? It's not about Aqua dying but on how pointless the way he died.
Hikaru was already ruined and exposed publicly nowhere to run or hide as the police will sooner or later catch up to him for all of the crimes he was involved in, so Aqua confronting his father that way was a serious mistake, thus the story went downhill after that.
1:15 small correction but there were 2 more arcs after the Movie arc: “The end of the play” and “Towards the stars and dreams”
Is it just me or do I hear the genshin bg music?
Also akane is such a underrated character in my opinion she let aqua have kana and she was well aware aqua was using her but she didn't make a fuss about it.
The F, dude did not have a happy life, gets revived, and get's his life ruined... And dies again without living a happy life ( or at least ending).
It's like ending one piece on marineford arc
I only watched season 1. And stopped there. They are clipping "home sweet home Alabama" there. Only interested in the solving murder case of the idol.😅
If only this manga and subsequent anime would have been made in the 90's. It would have been gloriously dark, gruesome and sexy
If the goal of the anime was to make us feel pain, it was a good ending I guess... It was painful that's why we don't really like it. But it would've been so much more satisfying if he survived for ruby and the other's 😔 to know they need him...
The one thing I wanted the least was the fan favorite ship of Aqua X Ruby to sail (I didn't like how Ruby didn't care about the more than decade they spent as siblings) so while I didn't like this ending... I still prefer it to how it could have ended.
I cannot agree with you at all. The moment Oshi no Ko became bad is literally in the middle of second season anime and it simply kept this downward spiral. Ending was (not caunting the last chapter because it was rushed) the best the series was for a long time. It started as soon as Kamiki was introduced to the reader/viewer before anybody else solve the issue of Aqua's father not actually being dead. Then the child-god just let the girls where the Gorou body is and from that point onward, there is no suspense. Every piece of the puzzle reveals itself. Kamiki just sends Akane the flowwers and he is very simmilar to Aqua, not detective work required... And so forth... Add to that putting asside both Akane and Kana and it was a disaster...
Genshin music jumpscare in the intro
For once, I’m crossing fingers that the anime is unfaithful to the manga and goes in a better direction
Genshin menu music......
I swear it feels like theres no editors to tell mangaka to actually revise and make a good ending
Not gonna finish the video rn but this is a reminder of how anime in general has a hard time ending properly and why FMA was a goat and at the top for so many years (ironically being overtaken by this anime), it has a near perfect ending to a great story. I wonder why that's so rare, I suppose it's coz most of those stories aren't written out or planned too early and only get fleshed out after being serialized.
P.S. I thought this was gonna be about controversy outside of the anime/manga based on the thumbnail & title so it's pretty misleading.
great video bro!
You got me with the genshin impact login music
I honestly couldn't care less for Kana. She was sooo bitchy in the beginning of the story. And it's hard for me to like characters like that, even if they "change". If her whole character is about how she's insecure about being in Ruby's shadow, then why not actually put her in Ruby's shadow? Make Ruby the center of B Komachi. Show how Ichigo Pro and almost all the fans favor her over the other two. So much wasted potential in this story.
0:30 i see your opinion, instant like button.
0:45 i feel like it's even crazier since the anime dropped the best arc of Oshi no Ko and shortly after we got that garbage ending.
3:50 honestly, i liked Akane, she was only below Kana, but after learning that she was basically Aka's self-insert in the story just recently...i can't really see her the same way anymore.
For someone who's only heard about this in the last 6 months, it's funny seeing people take this so seriously
great vid!
Its truly tragic I hope for a hopeful ending
It's really frustrating - author had all the pieces to have Happy Ending or Beautiful Tragedy Ending set in place.
Akane is deeply frustrated with Kana because she is her former idol but fallen off and kinda gave up on personal fame so Akane can't compete with her rival and beat her fare and square. You are measured by your rivals after all. Akane also wants to repay Aqua for what he did for her and she is willing to go any length to save him.
Kana frustrated with Akane because she is living reminder of her "Dark past", when she let fame go to her head and then lost said fame. Kana have a big crush on Auqa and fallen for him multiple times.
Aqua want to be happy, wants to enjoy acting, wants to protect his friends and family, wants to answer Kanas feelings but his "Unfinished Business" prevents him from doing so and dragging him down.
In final arc Kane was supposed to find out how Akane is trying to save Aqua confronted her and said that she will be the one who will save Aqua and she is not losing this time. Then they begrudgingly collaborate and save him during final confrontation with Hikaru Kamiki (or, alternatively, they fail and Aqua has to sacrifice himself in the heat of the moment to save them, if you prefer tragedy).
This way Akane gets to save Aqua (even it is not her who saved him she does not care for her the end result is more important than the means) and she gets her former rival that she can respect back. Kana gets her confidence back and a chance that Aqua finally answers to her feelings. And Aqua at last can live his own life and pursue happiness.
P.S. Also there is an issue with the main antagonist. We should know less about him, just some titbits about his tragic past and relationships with Ai - nothing concrete, the mystery is important factor here to make him actually scary. His motivation should be that no lie can last forever, even the best liars like Ai cant preserve those lies indefinitely. So all his actions is to preserve those lies this beautiful image of the Idol even at the cost of real person behind said image. He prefers a beautiful tragedy to disappointment in imperfection. He does it out of love and that is what makes him scary.
Well anyway - that is the headcanon I made in my mind and I'm no touching the finale author wrote with ten foot pole. =)
Reminds me of the Orca the Killer Whale movie where in the credits, after taking it's sweet revenge, we see the Orca trapped under the frozen sea, unable to breach, implying that it will die of suffocation
Aqua's character was already fulfilled pre reincarnation. What he didn't have was given when he was reincarnated and was realized when he died: someone to protect. In his old life, his mother died birthing him and despite growing up to be a doctor, saving Sarina was out of his reach, and later, Ai was killed as well. But growing up as Aqua, he redeemed himself by saving the lives of Akane, Arima and Ruby.
Throughout the story, he was hell-bent on revenge for Ai. That changed when Ruby saved him and gave him a new purpose. He killed Hikaru out of love for Ruby.
The ending could've used a few more chapters but other than that, nothing went wrong character wise. Most of the readers are simply short-sighted.
That said, Kana was utterly useless.
RUBYYYYY😭😭😭😭
I have no problem with Aqua being killed off but it was rushed and poorly done. To me Akane was the main character of the last several chapters and Ruby was almost completely ignored.
There was also the case of Aqua, and Ruby kiss scene.
Aqua’s death makes no sense to me. You’re telling me that these adults and everyone around him allowed him to see his father by himself without following him like they kinda know his father is dangerous so why let a 17-year-old kid go by himself like it doesn’t make any sense Also aqua didn’t think about how Ruby would feel like she’s only an idol because she wants to shine for aqua. But at the end, awkward became her mother, which was something she wanted, but didn’t want at the same time. She wanted to be like her mother, but not live like her that’s what she ends up doing anyways.
Ruby should have won period.
the storyline is very human...
The downfall happened because the authors completely lost any interest in their story due to being barred from giving Oshi no Ko their intended ending. Mengo outright said that they wanted to go for the incest ending originally.
Yeah a good series has now fallen and made many us upset and want to abandoned it now since the ending was terrible.
Oshi no ko looked promising, but before I can start it, I saw many memes about how twisted and disguisting this show. With the all the deaths, reincarnations, incest etc. I dropped it, even before I actually start to watch. But I was still a little courious about how bad is the ending and your video answered all my questions. Thanks for the great video.
I liked it, I felt aquas death was a fitting conclusion to the story. Sure ruby will be alone, but she’s got her friends, her company and her fans.
I actually liked the end,yes,the end was a bit fast but i find the end of oshi no ko very good. Great video anyways.
Maybe the Oshi no ko is the lies we made alon the way
It’s not shonen jump cause it’s not shonen. It’s seinen.
It’s from Young Jump. Same publisher but not shonen.
What I love about people defending this is saying "Aki said this is how he wants to end this story" but nobody thought the ending made no sense?
You could have multiple ways for that ending to happen,make the villain more dangerous,the main villain of the story is just an actor than hides his tracks really well,he has no political power or corruption on the system he is just a popular actor that hides his secret really well,you have celebrities in Japan being caught cheating and losing everything,but this guy is hard to caught?
Make him more dangerous,you already talked about the corruption of power of indrustry,make that a point for the villain that he controls the C-suites or political parties for illegal stuff they commited with him and he recorded and kept to protect himself by doing the classic "if I go down you come with me" that way the C-suites and powerhouses protect him so they can protect themselves,that way you can make Aqua being hit on the wall as he finds no alternatives.
And thats what causes for him to do that decision to pull the bad guy down,but no he had to because "he is to dangerous" my ass.
What happened in the ending can someone spoil me?
Spoiler for end of Oshi no Ko:
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Aqua kills himself and their father making it looks like the father tried to kill him
Imma just assume it was a "alternate" ending and the anime is doing the original "real" ending
lets hope for the Life action that changes the ending!!! HYPE TRAIN COME ONNNNN Final ACT PLEASEEEE
I Hated Kana. - Now I can continue to watch the video. Just needed to state that.
D:
How can there be a downfall when it was already terrible to begin with?
Any anime recs I haven’t watched anything before
Honestly when we have like the act of the live action film I feel like they gonna change the ending of the manga in a way idk but the ending from the manga just frustrates me but the rest I just don’t really cereb
Wow, ok. Well, the whole murder plot never interested me much and why it had to be an isekai in the first place I will never understand, so... I'm not mad about the ending xD I just don't care enough. But when there isn't more realistic idol/actor/content creator stuff I'm gonna drop it. That whole business side was the interesting thing
I dont know what to even think about Aka anymore
The guy has talent but can clearly get wishy washy with his own story and do weird shit
At least kaguya had a mediocre ending justified with the setup it had from the beginning but this had the potential for a cool ending, even with Aqua dying
You should change the thumbnail to a photo of Aka with fraud over it.
I hate myself right now
Damn, Oishi no Ko did Game of Thrones season 8 times 1000 😂
I drop the manga after chap 100
Personally I'm fine with the ending.
Aqua choosing to die was a dumb decision on his part but it was hinted from the start that he didn't plan on living in a world without AI and was only driven by vengeance. His arc is that in the end, he chose to die for love instead of revenge, but he had no place in that world from the start. It made sense thematically.
Regarding the fact the ending felt abrupt, it was and I would have appreciated a chapter or two at then end to give us more time with the other characters, but I don't feel it was absolutely necessary. All of them had their full arc played out over the course of the manga, there was nothing to add.
I disagree regarding Ruby's development being nullified though. Her choosing to stay as an idol isn't her being trapped into a path by others. It is a thing she chose by herself, despite the advices of those around her, especially Aqua. If his death had led her to switch career, that would have implied that he controlled her completely or at least that she was only motivated by her love for the doctor, which isn't healthy to say the least.
OnK got a lot of hate in its later parts and I feel it's not always justified. While some decisions could have been better and the author leaned at time a bit too much into shock value, the characters stayed consistent and enjoyable and the story never felt dragged. I think the story did offer a lot and so people grabbed at parts of it and expected it to be just that, be it a revenge thriller, a drama about the entertainment industry, a love story... and when the story didn't conform to their expectations, they got angry. It is, overall, a fantastic manga in my opinion and given the quality of the anime, I'm hopeful they can fix some of the small gripes I have with it.
Someone gets it. Like OP's comment, I don't have a problem with the ending or the idea/message that the ending wanted to tell, per se. My *entire* gripe on the other hand is the pacing, ergo, the road on how we got to the destination in the first place. There should've been more time to flesh things out for the characters and what the consequences of Aqua's choice meant for everyone and how they deal with it which in turn, can either help make or break them as they resolve everything about the story. Like I'm sorry, but you don't just glaze over everything like that when *the* most climatic plot element of the story happened. It just screams laziness and creative burnout.
OnK's still a good story but the ending, no matter whether you liked it or not, will always be a dark cloud hanging over its legacy and Aka's writing. Hope they make an anime only ending out of it.
somehow hIkaru the only character that feels complete
fans: no there's incest
fans after the final chapter: no why there's no incest?
Oshi no Ko was published in Young Jump not Shounen Jump tho. It's Seinen.
Moral of the story: This shit is so ass
Got no Doctor Aqua instead.
Glad I didnt get fully invested was saving up episodes originally. But after hearing about the end not gonna watch to get disappointed.
ill stop around visiting his hometown
I wasted my time reading the manga
I want a refund
ending was wack, yeah. honestly, we should have known something was up with how long this manga took. and the last big break and 3 weeks for the author aka to play games. which i get, i understand where aka says that he wants to be treated more human as a creator.... BUT this was a bit over the line. looking at the whole series now complete, this shit was so messy. needed another writer on the team.
What I feel about the Oshi No Ko Ending is that it's a reflection of real life. It's like a way of showing how you make poor choices in the spur of the moment as well as not thinking about it more in depth without emotions in the way. This manga was written as a reflection of the entertainment industry in real life, its just literally rooted in reality. But of course once some people who either want to be mad about something and anything or is complaining cus the ending isn't what they wanted it to be. The ending is an ending, and if they can't accept that in life not everything will go their way then they should write their own story.
Even if the ending wasn't intentionally to be like that. You are correct.
lmao didnt even mention the incest tease that got suddently introduced and then dropped lol
also, apperently the author got a new manga/novel released soon after the manga ended so everyone just speculate that the auther lost interest with the story and just wanted it to end and shift focus on their new project
Aka is infamous for that. he basically did the very same thing with Kaguya's ending
Good i didn't spend a penny
never liked it. I think its a problem cause you overhype the mangaka too much, and expact a masterpiece lmao it not that serious
The manga killed off its naruto in a show about naruto because according to the dumb author he took away the attention from sasuke and sakura.
If that's not scream stupid i don't know what does. This manga was never gonna work because you kill the whole point of the show.🤦 How the hell you think it was gonna work well after.
I get your problems with it, but I was okay with all of that. Sometimes, stories don't work out as an ideal happy fairyland with pink unicorns farting rainbows. Sometimes character arcs turn into warnings. But, like I said, I understand preferring that characters learn from their mistakes and grow in a positive way. It's a matter of preferences.
What's the similarity between Gundam Witch From Mercury and Oshi No Ko?
Yoasobi sang the opening and both have disappointing ending. Womp womp.
ok i don't want to say this but i never really liked it... still tho, i just had one opinion on what was for most folks a pretty good show, so learning that the ending was this impressively bad was kinda crazy.
Bad endings are good because its fresh and you never will see it coming the best part of watching a medium. I dont get how people can watch shonen shows it’s literally the same formula every ark over and over again. The best shows are the shows you get caught off guard this is why i believe Vinland saga is the best shows.
There is a way to handle unexpected twists. But doing so requires skill and a lot of planning so the buildup makes sense and when you watch things you can feel like "Oh, this makes sense"
Bad endings suck because it is the equivalent of the author cheating at the last minute to try to boast being "smarter" than the audience when they figure things out. And shock for the sake of shock si cheap and offers nothing proper.
COnclusion? Bad endings are bad for a reason, just because you come up with a last minute reveal it doesnt mean its clever. If you throw san on an ice cream you were enjoying, you aren't going to like it just because it was sudden
Disclaimer: With Bad endings i mean legitimatedly bad ones. Not necessarily tragic ones as even supossed happy endings can still be bad if the implications make no sense with what is intended to show
This is kind of completely unrelated but i kinda hate seeing jjk being put alongside certain other works as worst endings of all time , not because i think its good heck i could make an hour long video about everything wrong with it if i knew how to edit but i think of its ending is more disappointing than it is bad , it threw plot lines out the window , gave multiple extremely mediocre conclusions to like 4 characters at least and ended without explaining a long list of plot holes , but it doesn't ruin in particular , i mean technically it ruined what we could have gotten if the writer took the ending seriously but no character is ruined or assassinated even if the conclusion to their arcs couldn't have been more mid but at least they feel intact overall , unlike oshi here for example in which it does give its characters outright shitty conclusions seemingly for the sake of shock value while assassinating other ones and by doing so did overall ruin the series and not just give it an ultra mediocre ending like jjk , these are my thoughts
I guess I'm the only one who didn't hate the ending. All these justifications I hear everywhere about why this ending is the worst comes down to feeling betrayed because y'all desperately wanted a happy ending. How many revenge stories outside of Kill Bill have one, though?
Idk bruh I kinda watched and read it for the art lol 😭 (plot kinda mid)
The art is beautiful tho
YO! Add verbal or visual spoiler warnings IN THE VIDEO; I was concerned about what might've happened with the manga, but I did NOT want the whole ending of the manga spoiled for me without warning. Mention in the description is not enough. Downvoting because of that. 😕
dude I put it in very large text in the video as well….