Brian JONES: Is He UNDERRATED Or OVERRATED..? | Full Documentary
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Brian Jones, the founding member of The Rolling Stones, was a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene. However, the assessment of his impact and contribution to the band and the music industry as a whole has been a subject of debate among fans and critics alike. Is Brian Jones underrated or overrated? In This video we delve into his musical journey and examine the arguments on both sides of this intriguing question.
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- Brian Jones and The Stones 2023 (BBC Two)
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Brian Jones, the founding member of The Rolling Stones, was a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene. However, the assessment of his impact and contribution to the band and the music industry as a whole has been a subject of debate among fans and critics alike. Is Brian Jones underrated or overrated? In This video we delve into his musical journey and examine the arguments on both sides of this intriguing question.
No Jones No Stones, No Keith No Stones, No Jagger No Stones, No Charlie No Stones. As was Dick Taylor, that was the original band, Bill came later. They were all founding members. That's the TRUTH! 🎸🎶 ❤
You needed SONGS! ORIGINAL SONGS!! after 1964. Brian fell behind due to addiction and no songwriting talent.@@RockinRollinOne which would you really choose, two one finger typists but great storytellers or the world's fastest and best typist who had NO STORIES TO TELL?
Brian was special. It is sad he went down and sad that he died. To me he will always be a gem and a very special musician. 😊
Brian didn't live long enough to realize much potential.
Mick had a song named after him, Brian Jones has an entire band named after him !
Brian's creativity as a musician is one of the reasons why I became a Rolling Stones fan in 1979 and continue to be one today. The colors he added to their sound with the different instruments he played were incredible. He could improve a good song by adding an instrument like a dulcimer, marimba, recorder, or mellotron - and he did it many times. He was one of the pioneers of World Music and he was the first Stone to compose a film score. He was one of the great fashion icons of the 1960s music scene. Lets us also not forget how he broke his arse in the early days by writing letters to record labels and music journalists trying to get exposure for the band. He also went around to the London clubs encouraging the owners to book the Stones for early gigs before they became famous. His role in the Rolling Stones was HUGE.
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
@@TheaterPup Keith is a liar
Totely agree with you
@@Arya-1111 ??? Of all the things that can be said of Keith, I don't think that I've ever heard anyone say that Keith lied. Seems to me that, good or bad, Keith has always been quick to own whatever he has done. I believe that, of all things, Keith would not hesitate to tell the absolute truth! He has always owned whatever he had done, and has no need to lie about any of it.
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What is Keith 'lying' about??? That Brian took drugs completely recklessly & had stopped functioning ? Charlie said much the same so he's also 'a liar' ??!!
You have nothing to support your bald assertion 🤫
The only Truth is that Brian Jones was the original Rolling Stone 🎸👏. Respect to the GENIUS MULTITALEND MUSICIAN founder of the Stones Brian Jones! Forever remembered 🎸🎶 ❤
❤I totally agree 👍 he was a great member of the stones and he was doing fine till that money grabbing Andrew started to edge him out of the band putting all the spotlight on Mick jagger and Keith. That is what did it for Brian because he started the band he got them recognised as a talented band.. I do believe they later tried to take the piss and edged him out.. 😢maybe it was because he wasn't a nice person but I tend to think there was a lot more to that behind the scenes story. Also they all did as much drugs and alcohol as he did especially Keith Richards but he just got lucky and survived but also the rest of the band covered for him when he needed and gave him lots of help they all managed to have time for each others misdemeanours but had no time for Brian their friend who started the band whom without his early input and musical talent they might never have been discovered and made their millions & millions. Yes they went on to write lots of hits and give them their due the music 🎶 was and still is brilliant 👏 to this day.. but really they have a lot to thank Brian for and also be sorry to Brian for... 😢
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963
He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
Brian was a very talented musician. His direction for the music was not going to get them popular - he really wasn't into pop and couldn't write songs and it's that simple. Mick and Keith were the songwriters, a singer and guitarist. They are going to get the fame, not a musician who can only add great bits to the song. Mastery of Instruments was great. The marimbas he played on Under My Thumbs. The sitar on Paint it Black. Etc. Thanks Brian. Maybe in another band in another time in another face.
If they had followed his vision for the band , neither you nor I would have ever heard of them
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...and will never be forgotten.
This man is neither underrated nor overrated, he's Brian Jones a 60s legend and pioneer.
He pioneered nothing Psychopaths have been around for a long time.
Calling them "legends" is just a nicer way of admitting they are lies.
Agree with you, as Steve Took of T.Rex went down a very similar path. Both were extremely creative, but, were both sacked because the drugs pretty much took over their musical creativity.
@@williardbillmore5713 No matter what his state of mind, you cannot take away or ignore the fact Brian Jones was a musical pioneer and a 60s legend and icon.
@@marcstevens8576 it's a path most seem to go down.
@@toxic_badasss9656 Brian contributed next to nothing to the band. He was a hanger on and a poser..
When he left the band they got MUCH better
I mean, what would "Ruby Tuesday", "Under My Thumb", "Paint It Black", "2000 Light Years From Home", "The Last Time", or "No Expectations" be without his contributions? He was a miserable, troubled soul, but for a brief flash from 66-67 he was a brilliant and unique musician. I love a lot of their 70's stuff, but I'm definitely much more of a 60's Stones fan.
She's a Rainbow... I agree fully.
He was the leading musical contributor for many of the band’s actual masterpieces, the reason I idolized them as an 11 year old. Those songs are timeless in a way much of their straight riddum stuff will never be. I listen to Her Majesty’s as much as the rest of their records put together.
UMT and PIB 👍🏼👍🏼
In 1966 they came out with High Tide and Green Grass which was a compilation of their hits. That is unheard of since they only hit the scene in 1964.
Dont forget lady jane
Anyone who is a fan of the Stones from their 1960s period knows how important Brian Jones was on a lot of the songs. Slide on Little Red Rooster and I Just Can't Be Satisfied, Lead Guitar on Last Time, Sitar on Paint it Black, Marimba on Under My Thumb, incredible Soprano Sax on Dandelion and of course my favourite the Recorder on Ruby Tuesday. Neither underated or overrated.
the "lead guitar" on The Last Time was not really the lead guitar though. he did in fact BEGIN the song and played the main riff, but that was Keith's idea so that Keith could have all the fun playing insane rhythm guitar. same with Suzy Q and It's All Over Now.
Jones's true LEADS were, as you said, ALL SLIDE GUITAR songs.
@@cultfilmfreakreviews That solo from Keef,while effective & perfectly fine, pales in comparison to Brian's lead riff in the "Last Time "
@@cultfilmfreakreviews Indeed , what Brian was given to play on the last time was a repeating accompaniment riff... Keith would give Brian a simple repeating guitar line and put him on autopilot like a sequencer. Then Keith was free to get creative with improvisational rhythm guitar. with accents and syncopations to enhance the vocals.
Brian's true leads? I can count them on two fingers ...were written by other artists.
Jones was a copyist not a creator.
Jones' idea of a lead break was to play the sung melody exactly as it was sung without variation. I Wanna Be Your Man is a perfect example of how shallow Brian was musically.
I hate listening to the stones version because , being more familiar with the Beatles version I badly miss Georges brilliant modal rave up composition with the syncopated double stops playing against the unrelenting jungle rhythm. The guitar break in the Beatles version was something to look forward to... Brian's scratchy mostly out of tune, slide, copying the sung melody was trite, tedious and predictable.
No puedes sentirte un Rolling Stones, si Brian no esta contigo-
Bill Wyman is such an enduring champion of Brian. It's very nice. Brian had a gift for multinstrumental hooks that did more than just hook. They swallowed up the song and commandeered its mood. Brilliant.
I agree, i have always thought fairly/unfairly that Mick and Keith have always been happier airbrushing him out.. I might be wrong but it's just my opinion
The Brian Jones era of the Stones is my favorite.
That’s when they were great when Jones was in the band
@@frankdemaria7766 I agree 100%. Jones is often looked over so much in favor of Ron Wood (who is good too).
After Brian was out of the picture, the Stones' music became mediocre, "Rock And Roll". A lot of it downright sucks in my opinion. Emotional Rescue, She's So Cold, and Start Me Up are a few examples of their stuff that sucks donkey balls. Brian's creative genius was what made the band.Brian most likely turned to hard drugs because He was depressed at b ow Jagger and RI hands claimed all of the song writing credits. The lead instrument in Paint It Black was obviously the sitar. Yet who takes credit for the song writing.... good old Jagger and Richard's. Those two should burn in hell! Damn pirates!
@@josephbieke6138 I agree. I hear stories that it really should’ve been "Jones/Richards" and not Mick.
You liked the 60s is what you are saying
I was 21 the year Brian died and I was living in South Ken in London and went to the Stones Hyde Park Concert tripping on Acid..
I remember it like it was yesterday as nobody I knew had died at that time except old Grannies or Uncles but never one of our own generation, we were all stunned.
Its often said that the brightest light burns out the fastest... That was Brian Jones..
@abw48 So that's what happened. That EERIE feeling I got back in late June early July in 1969. That young man died. I was 6 then & even I felt I felt his death.☠️
ABW THATS good what kind of acid was it microdot and did u go to the soft machine cat Stevens Hyde park show ?
@@waynesilverman3048 : There was no Microdot in those days, only liquid and later pill form, mostly I took liquid. Never knew Cat Stevens and Soft Machine played in Hyde Park. I knew people that were close friends of the Soft Machine guys but I never met them. I left the UK in 1970 and never lived there again except for a few months when I got stuck there before I hopped the Pond to Toronto and then down to New York City in 1981.
The Stones produced great records consistently into the early 80s. However, its been said, and I agree, that in throws of psychedelia, and competing with the Beatles, it was Jones that provided the flourishes that helped the band create the sound of the times. For the 60's, his contributions were essential.
The Rolling Stones died after Exile on Main Street.
Long Live the Rolling Stones as they have turned into a SIR Michael Jagger and the Supremes.
@@abw48Some girls was a great record. Goats head and tattoo you were ok. But yeah they were fading after exile.
Some of you aren’t quite getting this. Brian Jones wasn’t just a member of the Stones. He wasn’t just a multi instrumentalist. He was a literal ‘60s icon. In music, in fashion, in way of life. And he used his position to put so many others in the spotlight. We take his influence for granted today. There will never be another Brian Jones. Period. ✌️
Is
None of them get it. He was also the first guy to apply slide on a guitar neck in Britain. His influence could not be overstated, despite his early demise.
So who doesn't get it?
He wasn't a literal anything. He WAS a musical something.
Bravo !
When he was with the group,b, they had such a melodious quality. Beautiful ballads, in addition to their rockers. Just listen to a great album such as "Aftermath", and you'll hear such a complimentary variety of styles.
With Brian, you'd get beautiful songs such as "Backstreet Girl." Since he's been gone, the variety of those older albums has sadly been missing.
They regained that a bit with Mick Taylor and they did a tremendous string of good albums until Goat's head soup if you will ,and that's when the whole thing decayed.. Taylor had his big reasons to start leaving the band and look up to other great musicians as Jack Bruce to start working with. Just as Brian had thought of other good musicians to work with and big "CCR" music project in his mind Taylor did. And with Wood it sadly went flat,with great exceptions as always coz the Stones are like cats they always fall to their feet but Wood even if not a virtuoso guitar player as Taylor I am a fan of his music, very Faces and Dylan at times,and Keith had joined him in 74 for two great songs but sadly they did not care about Wood musically either.. for the Stones music strictly and mostly as a guitar player who inter played with Keith greatly since the beginning and because Ronnie is Ronnie... uniting and re uniting the band a few times,with his cool personality but that's about it... music? well thank you ,not the same as during the 60's and early 70's for sure.
They where best in1977! Listen to Live at the el Macombo
aftermath is the first album in which Jones stopped playing the same amount of guitar along with Keith, although he does play guitar. you can hear that Aftermath has a thinner quality than the five "blues cover" albums before. THOSE are my favorites. because it's Brian and Keith equally.
Wild Horses, Angie, Memory Motell, Winter, Hand of fate, Miss you, Beast of burdon. Faraway eyes. Honky tonk women etc.
He was VERY underrated.Multi-instrumentalist,and innovator.R.I.P. Brian 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Bo Diddley described Brian Jones as "a little dude that was trying to pull the group ahead. I saw him as the leader. He didn't take no mess. He was a fantastic cat; he handled the group beautifully. He’s the only white cat that ever got my rhythm.” - Bo Diddley speaking of Rolling Stone, Brian Jones, 1963 !
Here is the actual quote from Bo Diddley " Brian was the only cat I knew who worked out the 'secret' of it all "...nothing about being White,or rhythm.(Wyman,Aftel,et al ) May i ask where your version came from ? Seriously
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Thanks for replying back. Hmmmmmmmmmm
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That quote is on plenty of sites. Just type the quote and it will pop up.
@@SuperAnimelover100 still waiting for the source of your Bo Diddley mis-quote(insert Smiley face emoji here )
it's just that Mick and Keith did the songwriting. a band HAS TO have original songs, especially going up against The Beatles.
His last contribution to the band he founded was the sublime slide guitar on No Expectations. I have never been more impressed or moved by a guitar accompaniment on a song than by that forlorn but shining slide guitar. It moves me like no other, even today.
N'est ce pas plutôt "you can't always get..." ?
Ils jouent ce titre à la fin du "rock' n' roll circus" ?
Dans cette émission, il semble "ailleur".
He put down some really nice addings to Beggar’s Banquet. The Mellotron on Jigsaw Puzzle and the harmonica on Dear Doctor are ace.
Actually it was the mellotron on Jigsaw Puzzle.
the mellotron was on Stray Cat Blues, and you can hear the chords at the end of the song @@skummelkatt
stray cat blues @@steveconn
His playing on Ruby Tuesday is beautiful, I am astounded every time I hear it. Amazing talent
Personal struggles. He was mentally ill. One manifestation of being mentally ill is you are never sure of yourself or anything. You get hung up on a lot of shit. I think he was fortunate enough to get his talent out in the time that he did. He definitely should have gotten songwriting credit for Ruby Tuesday. He should have quit the band then and went into session work. He really was around the wrong people, namely ALO for whom he made money for, but was a prick and knew how vulnerable he was. Too bad. He was not overrated. His talent still stands out and contributed to their early sound. His self destructive persona is what finished him off- a mindset very difficult to manage. He deserved a lot more.
I think acid was the trigger. After that he lost confidence and began to anesthetize aggressively. With that came the rest of his decline. At his peak, he was brilliant.
Brian was that classic genius who lost the plot, the man who went mad as his mind was too much for even him to deal with.
I have been always a fan...And don't forget that Brian was probably the first with origin in the Rock and Blues genre stepping in a World music direction ...
His Joujouka album is groundbreaking and to me one of the best "World music" albums ever made...just ahead of it's Time...❤
The Stones wouldn’t be where they are today without Brian
Well said 👏
Without Brian there would be no Rolling Stones✨
@@paulbangash4317 exactly 👍
Actually there wouldn't be any rolling stones without brian
@@entyope agree it's true 👍
It's unfair to say everyone his opinion about a great musician who isn't here to defend himself! ONLY Brian knew the truth and what happened to him! The only we know is that he was a Charismatic musician the founder of the he Stones. He made them famous in the beginning! Without Brian there were no Stones! So thank you Brian Jones 👏 for giving us the Rolling Stones.. So sad😢 you aren't here , and lost your life in so young age.. Respect ✌️
Very true, what we know is the music and that is what matters. :)
@@TheaterPup Yes my friend! ✌️ Brian Jones deserves our respect! 🌹🌹
From the beginning, The Rolling Stones was conceived as a guitar band, and that has remained their signature to present. They built their sound around the interplay of two, sometimes three guitars. During the Jones' era, this sound was established with electric guitars (e.g. "Get Off My Cloud"; "19th Nervous Breakdown"), acoustic and electric guitars (e.g. "The Last Time"; "Satisfaction"; "Think"), and acoustic guitars (e.g. "Sitting on a Fence"; "No Expectations"); however, what separates this era from the future band incarnations was Jones' instrumental versatility, whereby he sometimes substituted other instruments for the guitar (e.g. "Lady Jane"; "Under My Thumb"; "Backstreet Girl"), adding interest to the music. This was appreciated by the band and public alike. Some, like myself, prefer this era of the band.
No they didn't 👍🏻👈🏻
@@Harp_and_Guitar_Moving_Forward "No they didn't" what?
Brian was always my favorite. The sound, the style, the image, the total groovy look of true rock n roll. Brain broke the ground for what a real rock star was.
Jim Morrison did, John Lennon did, Bob Dylan did, Brian Jones? No.
“Brian’s pioneering status as a musician has become steadily less obvious thanks to the very success of his mission. The blues and world music that he championed and dragged into the mainstream have become so ubiquitous that we all suffer a hindsight bias-we find it impossible to imagine what the world was like without this music. As counter-intuitive as it might seem, this is proof of Brian’s accomplishment.”-Sympathy for the Devil by Paul Trynka
When Brian left the Stones lost the sound color in there music......most of the Stones "Classic" songs were done during the Brian Era...
His recorder playing is the only time I can stand hearing that instrument.
“Brian Jones was indeed the father of what we now regard as world music…Brian’s championing of ethnic players such as the Moroccan Master Musicians of Joujouka back in 1967 should be regarded as groundbreaking artistic development, portents of the future.”-John Phillpott, Blues in Britain
It's easy to kick someone down when there not here.........we will never know the full story
they did just fine without him. I always wondered what his contribution really was.
@hewitc Thats an awful thing to say. Shame on you.
@@donaldmack2307 Why? I listened to the Stones when they first came out and followed them over the years. Brian looked cool so the girls liked him, but musically? He was always given credit for miscellaneous contributions. I've seen him play guitar on videos-- nothing special. Strumming rhythm, occasionally playing a simple riff. What am I missing? Can someone be more specific about what he contributed, maybe a link to a video?
@@hewitc here's a link to my ck, it needs sking
Tbf to Brian, a lot of those live videos are usually mimed to the album track; I think a lot of musicians decide to play simpler stuff on those cuz why put in the effort?
I think with his musical contributions, is interest in other musical instruments does add a nice bit of sound to the mid 60's albums, my favorite example would be the stuff he played on between the buttons.
Granted that doesn't mean he's the only contributor. There are also people like Jack Nietzsche who contributed some lovely piano and harpsichord parts. I personally think Brian and Jack were the two guys that made that aftermath period really special.
The sad thing about Brian dying for me is the fact that he was at least trying to regroup himself and form another band. He was actually still interested in things like the music from different cultures and electronic synthesis so he still had that interest to change his sound. I think at best he would have done better as a underground kind of thing but we don't know.
I do think the stone did fine without him personally and I think that's how it should have been honestly; I don't think Brian really wanted to be in the stones by the time he got fired. I personally think they were good up until Mick Taylor left
I disagree with the narrator about Brian's guitar playing. Ian Stewart said that in the early days, Brian knew 3 different ways of playing the guitar, while Keith knew only one. His slide guitar sound was (still is) unique. Take "The Last Time" as an example, too: Brian's riff renders Keith's solo of secondary importance. Eventually, he abandoned the guitar and got less good at it. You can't downplay his Mellotron, harmonica, etc., contributions either. They're much more than mere embellishments. In some cases, his contributions made the song. Another example is his dulcimer part on Cool Calm Collected", musically, it's brilliant.
He knew three ways, unfortunately none of them particularly good.
@@slimturnpike how do you know? Were you there? Stu was
@@bookmakers Yeah and notice Stu didn't comment on how well BJ played LOL. In fact Keith played in several styles as well and was technically ahead of Jones except with slide by the late 60s. I don't have to have been there to know this. I've been playing guitar professionally for 50 years and have listened to every recording the Stones, including demos, rehearsals and outtakes. Of course it's just opinion and you're welcome to yours.
@slimturnpike I don't know how ahead Keith was when they 1st met. Since in this interview Stu was praising Brian's talent, I assume the 3- ways-to play thing was a praise too. Paul Jones and Bo Diddley praised Brian's playing as well. Bo said Brian was the only one who'd nailed the Bo Diddley style. Before "Satisfaction", Brian would think up and play original lead guitar riffs too, Keith played mostly the Chuck Berry ones. I've been playing guitar for over 30 years, too, and I like Keith's playing in the 60s. Not so much from the 70s on, but that's just my opinion. Cheers!!!
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Heh heh heh heh 😅
HEH HEH HEHEHE HEH!😆
Btw, the new documentary The Stones and Brian Jones is on DVD on February 13. 😊
Thanks for the info. :)
UNDERRATED !! Brian Jones was brilliant
No he was not. Listen to Sympathy for the devil. Catastrophe. I was better after 3 months :-)))
He was sugar and spice in the early years on stage and in studio. So sad how he ended so young and today is nearly forgotten.
@@neverforget6523 The Stones were always an overrated band. They never had the talent for composing outstanding stuff like the Beatles and didn't have the power of the Who or the Kinks. They were just - at the right place in the right time.
@@neverforget6523 Brian Jones will be never forgotten, because he was the founder of the Stones and the most talented!
@@neverforget6523 Brian will be NEVER FORGOTTEN!.
On records you can hear Brian Jones plays these instruments: The Mellontron, Marimbas, Saxaphone, Harpsicord, Flute, and Japanese Koto. He also played: piano, guitar, harmonica, organ, sitar and drums..... Nuff' said.
I have been a Stones fan since the very beginning. Brian was not only the brains behind forming the band and giving it its name but he was a musical genius! It is said that he played 80 instruments. Makes no difference what kind of person he was, the guy was a brilliant musician who like so many others became a huge drug addict and alcoholic at such a tender young age.sad
My favorite musician of all time,by a large margin.i began playing slide guitar,harmonica,organ ,piano etc. etc. only because of him.Whenever i do a live show,or recording session,he seems to be present. On my original demos last year,i played 33 instruments-Thank You to Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones,what a character,! Fashion Icon,a most mis-understood and somewhat underrated figure, largely due to the continued astounding success of the Leviathan band that he founded.
Brian deserved co writing credit on many songs. The same thing happened to his successor Mick Taylor who quit partially because he never received the proper credit.
I disagree Brian was more like a session player he couldn't write songs and said so himself Though he is a great cult figure.
@@Larry-Art179session player?
You're on your own there mate lol
@@Larry-Art179It wasn’t that easy. Loog Oldham made up the Jagger/Richards credit and supported it full on. The glimmer twins even got credit for songs that only one of them wrote. We don’t know much about how they actually worked on songs in the studio. Bill Wyman has said that both him and Brian brought in ideas, bits and pieces, but that the bits and pieces that came from Mick and Keith were the ones that got worked on. However, stories about how Paint it Black, Ruby Tuesday and Jumping Jack Flash started out shows that ideas from others may have been used for songs. But without giving them credit. Mick and Keith were and are very protective of the Jagger/Richards brand.
@@Larry-Art179 bs Brian was the scribe of them all seriously they stole so much from him and many song liners and ideas
bs name one song he wrote... @@Arya-1111
Love Brian I enjoyed his creativity great songs and he had presence. ❤
Brian loved The Beatles. He knew they had each others' backs. The Stones did not have that tight chemistry among themselves. Once Oldham helped put the wedge between Brian and the Mick - Keef duo, he gave up.
The Beatles chemistry was so tight they broke up
@@mrsatire9475No, it just ran it's course, that's all. End of an era.
@@RICHBLACKCOCK Pfft, talk about running its course, not even the Beatles liked the Beatles.
Tell that to Yoko! Lol! 😉
Tell that to Yoko! Lol! 😉
His guitar parts and his input with other instruments generally tend to be the most interesting parts of the songs he played on. I've noticed that the people who knew him but had no reason to belittle his talent almost all had good things to say about him Eddie Kramer, Pete Townsend, Ginger Baker, all the Beatles, Jimmy Page etc all have said he was the most gifted musician in the band and had a lot to offer before his downward spiral, which had a lot to do with the way he was treated by Andrew Oldham and the other Stones. History is written by the victors. Keith and Mick all had reason to downplay Brian's contributions but the material doesn't lie. The Stones became predictable when Brian left.
All we have to do is listen to what other great musicians have said about Brian's musical talent with instruments. He's respected and admired greatly by the greats. I just watched an interview with Paul Jones of Manfred Mann tonight. He gave Brian high acclaim and explained how Brian taught him to play harmonica properly and how to get Blues sound from it. The guy was stylish and creative . Sadly he took too many drugs and loved the wrong woman. Anita was incredible but she was krypton for him. Drugs didnt addle her like they did to him until later when he was dead and she was still banging heroin when pregnant. He was so highly intuitive , the drugs destroyed him. And no one was there to help him understand that he was triggered by the chemical reaction to his brain. Andrew was intent on making Mick & Keith the duo, but Andrew knew he could control Mick & Keith. He couldnt control Brian so he screwed with his mind. Demeaning him. Keith stole his woman and in my opinion that was as low as a dog can go. Mick & Keith both became Brian and neither had the decency to go to his funeral. Cowards! He was not perfect, he was sexual and got girls pregnant, well it takes 2 to do that ! As for the bags,under his eyes, sure looks like kidney disease. If he had lived his kidneys would have plagued him, booze fast tracks it. He was a young good looking guy who was a great intuitive musician and a partier like Hendrix, Harrison, Clapton etc. He was a rock star ! Anyone thinks he didn't form the Rolling Stones or set their style is wrong . No one can ever erase Brian. They can try but they won't succeed. There is no argument. He was amazing and he was the creator and essence of The Rolling Stones, sadly he got drowned by the very ones whom he made float.
I just read your incredible touching treu fair comment! I get tears in my eyes! Maybe it's the first time that i read a normal treu comment about Brian Jones! ..I understand every word , everything you say! But unfortunately i can not answer you as I wish because my english isn't so good! But I agree with you and will thank you! Congratulations my friend! Brian Jones was all this and much more. A Genius musician who found the Rolling Stones! With his talent his magic 🪄 touch they became famous in the beginning!! We will remember Brian always with Respect! Thank you again🙏
@@elenikorkodelaki2695 , Thank you for also understanding his talent and place in history. All the best to you .
@@catlover4700 Thank you my friend! I wish you the same!
You are much too harsh. Keith did not 'steal' Anita, she'd had enough of Brian's physical abuse.
Also Mick & Keith knew their attending Brian's funeral would have become a media Circus, which his parents would have hated. Jagger paid his moving tribute at Hyde Park shortly afterward.
He rates up there with the best 🎼🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Down there
Brian Jones created, founded,produced and led the Rolling Stones in the 60’s. The pitiful twins (jagger/richards) never acknowledged the genius of Jones as a multi instrumentalist whose influence can be felt on majority of the earlier hits . R.I.P Brian we still regard you as the pulse of the Rolling Stones period.
Sayin better.. imposible👍
I agree with you.. BRIAN JONES was the only treu Rolling Stone the most charismatic musician!! Respect!!
Without Jones, the Stones output became ultra bland.
nonsense- let it bleed sticky fingers and exile are their 3 most famous albums,
@@johnwatts8346 True, I would say after they lost Taylor it became a formula band of Richards boring guitar growl. For me the band ended when Taylor split.
Merci a bill Wyman.
he lived but no one taught him how to live. Epic talent.
😮 Here’s probably how some of it went (Ruby Tuesday) Keith:”Hey you guys I’ve got this new chord progression with kind of a melody…. Starts with an Aminor kind of want it to have a little bit of angst… Mick:”Oh yeah sounds really nice there Keith “ Keith:”Yeah I wanted to make the chorus like so … Chorus: La… La… La,la Tuesday…” Mick :”You’ve played it a couple of times for us already and you keep singing 🎵 Tuesday… What does that mean? Keith:”Nothing really… It’s just something that keeps coming to mind Mick:”Oh well I think I can come up with some lyrics on that Just record the progression and give me a week and I guarantee I’ll come up with something on it… Keith:”Good enough then I trust you Mickey …And what about you Brian…Got anything?… Brian:”Hmmm ?🤔… Sounds kind of interesting What it probably needs is a counter melody 🎶 of some sort…. Hmmm 🤔 yeah I’m already picturing something kind of flowery Maybe on a harpsichord or something just as long as won’t interfere with the bass or whatever else … But?…. I haven’t figured it out yet… Keith:”A harpsichord?… We don’t want it to seem too much like Johan Sebastian or anything…”
Brian:”Easy there Richards… Just give me some time to fool with it… I believe you’ll be satisfied with what I’ll offer on it ” Keith:”Alrighty then…”….
Bless Bill Wyman, here frail and aged, and still being loyal to his friend and bandmate, Brian, speaking up for his contributions. True, the Stones didn't need Brian to continue to be successful after they made it, but they were better with him. In hindsight, they should have kept him in the band just for his embellishments and musical ideas, but he got in the way added weight; and they fired him. But, who knows, it was their first time with fame as a band, so for all they knew their popularity could have began to wane the next day, so they had to play it as they saw fit. Had he lived, he would have added even more to the musical landscape, but with a different band.
Come on, Keith stole his girl and he was a heroin addict. Brian never got $$ credit that he deserved for his work. Mick & Keith did the same thing to Taylor. Having Taylor as the lead guitarist also showed how much that they needed two rhythm guitarists in the early days. I have seen interviews with Mick & Keith where Keith could barely talk. Mick helped Keith out big time back than. He was like protecting him by answering the questions aimed at Keith. The Stones lost Taylor for 3 reasons. Keith was in a very bad way drug wise. 2 His drug use started to spread, Charlie, then Taylor himself, 3 Taylor was never given any song credits $$$. Mick & Keith kept them to themselves even on songs where Keith was too drugged up to contribute. Back in the days when Mick, Keith, and Brian lived in the same flat, Brian & Keith were best friends. I red somewhere that Brian bought Keith's first really good guitar.
Bullsh*t.
Taylor left to save his marriage and his Life from drugs!
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But those other guys are session players Who couldn't write songs.
I’m no therapist but I imagine rejection from his parents, followed by adoration from so many people, probably rang hollow, so drugs came in to fill that void
@aeneas237 Nicely said.
" "The Last Time " , Mother's little Helper", "19th nervous Breakdown", "Ruby Tuesday" "Paint it Black " "Under my Thumb". " Get off my Cloud" . Just a few of the songs Brian Jones arranged, sang on , and /or played multiple instruments on.. A Genius 2000 light years from home. UNDER RATED
Brian Jones was a multi-instrumentalist (guitar, sitar, harmonica, xylophone, recorder, oboe) just to name a few. I wonder if he had become a session musician would that have served him better? Brian can be heard on all of the early Rolling Stones recordings and albums on multiple of instruments.
Brian was at the top of his game when he formed the band in 1962 by advertising in jazz news for musicians soon the lineup is jazz drummer Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman on Bass, Keith Ritcher on second guitar, Ian Stewart on piano with Mick Jagger as singer an name his band the Rollin' Stones after a Muddy Water song by late 1962 the "G" was added to be known as the Rolling Stones he was the guy who got them gigs made sure they got to the venue on time what songs to play he was like the acting manager of his band in the early days sadly for whatever reason drugs and alcohol or other issue Brian started to lose his statice in the band when he felt he was losing the band he created.
There would be NO Rolling Stones without Brian Jones
Brian being the most talented of the group in my opinon. RIP Brian
Hardly
The fact is that without Brian Jones there would not be The Rolling Stones. Brian created the band. Little known is that Brian was an intellectual. He had straight A level grade A's, and an uncanny knack of being able to play any instrument he layed his hands on. But because of his somewhat shy, retiring, and none confrontational personality and the increasing dominance of Jagger and Richards in the band, he became marginalised to the extent that he no longer felt that he was a contributing member of the band. This most certainly led to his dependency on drugs and alcohol as Brian attempted to block out reality due to deep sadness over his inability to direct the music of the band he created in a way that he personally wanted it to develop. Why is a member of a band, who the band has known and performed with for years, having developed such a profound issue, never assisted to try and overcome that issue by the band members? They could all see Brian's state, and yes, Brian could be an arrogant and totally unpleasant person, but surely he deserved their help. Mick talks about babying Brian. It was not about babying Brian, it was about taking action to save him from himself Mick. What did you do? We see this time and again, such as Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac. Nobody does a damn thing to help a man who brought the band into existence, and contributed to the band aiding the band members musical popularity. Did Brian not deserve that help? It saddens me, because they knew the man, they saw his state, but nobody took any action. Yeah, pull up the ladder, I'm alright Jack. Brian's death was significant, and rather convenient for the likes of Jagger and Richards who did not attend his funeral. Brian, had he been taken in hand early and helped could have been saved. Yes, his heart was broken about how he had been treated in The Rolling Stones, but having overcome that and his dependence on drugs and alcohol we might have seen Brian go on to much greater things where his skill and musical prowess might have been applied to music in a way that he wanted it to develop.
All i know is i have never been a huge Stones fan, but EVERY time i check on a Stones song that i do genuinely love. it turns out it was released during the period that Brian was still in the band.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Mick is very intelligent and disciplined. That’s why he became the leader. Keith is super bright as well but loved drugs for a l0ng time.
I don't think there's any doubt that had Brian been able to make it al the way to the other side of that turbulent period of his life in the summer of 69', he would've lived through a peek in his career similar to that of The Stones, if not eclipsing them, if not at least for awhile. Although he had soured his relationships with most, if not all of his former band members, he still had a lot friends, respect, and admiration among London's rock n' roll elite and he was still under contract. Like so many others have at various points of their careers, he could have dried out a bit, put together a new band under his namesake and remained pure to the blues without fear of the kind of mutiny he experienced with The Stones. The research in this piece was pretty thorough, though oddly failed to mention that Brian had broken both of his wrists in 67', leaving him for a time, unable, and then perhaps uninterested, in playing the guitar, however this could've easily changed by 1970, or of course having been a trained pianist from childhood, he could've just as easily led an outfit has a keyboardist then later on hitting another stride as a synth pop rocker in the 80's. Unfortunately we'll never know, I do hope that one day we'll have a clue as to why British Intelligence has sealed documents surrounding his untimely death.
Suppose he had lived and formed a band with Jack Bruce, Ringo Starr, Peter Green and Billy Preston? Who knows what could have been.
That’s probably because some people think he was actually murdered by the government because of his political beliefs.
He forms a new band as leader and head genius - although someone else has to write the songs and sing?!?!
@@carlsaganlives5112 Stranger things have happened.
Poor Brian suffered the ills that effect millions today. People dying from drugs is more common than ever. Brian Jones will never be forgotten unlike 99.999 % of the people others that died from drugs.
Politely,i remind you.....Brian was tragically drowned.
@@brendankane3546 The final outcome after a long downward spiral.
@@kabiam so, ultimately all roads lead to being drown ? or just if you party too much ?
@@brendankane3546 No argument that drowned or was murdered. Or whatever. It's like almost 60 years ago. All his band mates said he had substance abuse problems that led to his ouster from the band. They weren't too shocked at the fact he died. Not sure what your point is.
my point is rather simple-Brian died,NOT from drugs.Are you in need of further explanation?
Brian was underrated as a guitarist. Love his guitar playing on the Rolling Stones '64-'67 ...
Which parts?....I bet Keith played them
He definitely had style. When you see photographs of the group he stands out.
You bet. Sexy classy looking !
The best Stones is Brian Jones Stones! Legend!
Listen to every Stones album before Beggars Banquet and just try to imagine Brian could be termed 'overrated'. Beggars Banquet changed blues into rhythm and blues. And Brian was gone; weeping, screaming, lying on the floor in the studio. Firing Brian was 'overrated'. My sister used to cut my hair like Brian's in '68. Brian was most manifested that year in movie Performance where Mick was Brian the Mystic, then rocked as Keith. Love you Brian!
I Like Jones and believe that his influence on the band and the whole 60's rock era is extremely significant.
He was definitely genius and definitely an addict of everything... He was VERY fragile.
Brian Jones has :
- founded the Band
- found their name
- been a brillant multi intrumentist who gave strength to many early Rolling stones songs (Paint it black, Under my thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Lady Jane, She's a rainbow, to name a few..)
- He certainly also inspired the famous "Sex Drugs and Rock and roll"
Once this said, Rolling stones have made their unreal successfull career mostly because of Jagger/Richards.
Keith Richards is the Riff master while
Mick Jagger is the best visionnaire frontman in Show business ever.
Charlie Watts also grandly participated to their sound.
He was a superb part of the Stones...totally worth all the hype.
Wow I can't help but to think of Syd Barrett and that is a statement.
There seems to be a contradiction as regards Brian Jones' musical aspirations - on the one hand, there's his dedication to the raw blues of Muddy Waters, Lightnin' Hopkins, Robert Johnson etc. - then there's the multi-faceted, 'multi-instrumentalist' side of his musical nature, which drew him to more lyrical, more complex works - e.g. 'Ruby Tuesday'. To say that he was a multi-instrumentalist is an exaggeration - e.g. both he and George Harrison acquired sitars and 'played' them on certain recordings, but the idea that they were proficient on sitar is ludicrous, when it takes a lifetime and beyond to master that instrument. He wasn't a 'master' of any instrument, really - but he had an innate 'musicality' which allowed him to attain a certain proficiency on many instruments. I think that in Brian Jones' case the tendency towards the multi-faceted musical idea was developing, and could have offered him a new musical career, away from the Stones - but this was hindered and ultimately defeated by his drug/alcohol addiction, partly caused by the unforgiveable treatment meted out to him by Jagger and Richards, which definitely lead to his demise - leading eventually to his murder. Had he been allowed to live, I think he could have become the pioneer in what is now called 'World Music' - he definitely had the interest, imagination and musical breadth to accomplish that - but the mantle was denied him, eventually to fall on Peter Gabriel a generation later.
Well the musicians in Morocco give Brian that mantle to this day. 🏆
Yes - that's what I was thinking of - Brian came back with some recordings of Moroccan musicians when he went there with Keith Richards - who then stole his girlfriend, as far as I recall?
You don't need to be a virtuoso on an instrument to add the needed extra to a song. Society seems to worship virtuosos, which may be fine for those so inclined, but I prefer playing that enhances a song, not distracting from it. (Alvin Lee was praised/promoted as the fastest guitar player, but I got stuck seeing hime several times, and his speed did nothing for a tune.) Brian is rightly praised as a multi-instrumentalist, but I can't recall anyone claiming that he was a virtuoso, just musically adept.
Keith didn't steal Brian's girlfriend. She left Brian because he beat her up.@@RobCarmina
Brian's remarks about the feelings of parents towards their children is probably greater than anything he did in music - and he did some great stuff.
I'm not a huge fan of Brian, but I'm a fan of the incredible insightfulness of his remarks on that subject.
I caught that too and that is why I've watched this
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963
He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
@@brendankane3546 It is true that our 13th President only served one term. But he is still ineligible to run...
Not only does he know nothing, but he is far too dead... At least he didn't wear a Diaper.
Underrated or Overrated? It simply depends on who's "rating" you are considering.
When it's the few zealots who take every opportunity to harp on about Jones being the founder, the best musician in the group and then go further to such as "he was the soul of the group", that Mick and Keith had no right to take over, and that his ousting in 1969 was a huge injustice, then he's overrated.
But when it's the majority of Stones fans who give him his due as the founder of the group, who in the early days was good on stage and with "style" as a British Invasion rock state, and made remarkable contributions on some tracks (which no-one else could have done), but also fell apart with self-destructive behaviour and became a liability, then he's neither underrated or overrated. That's about right.
Most Stones fans say that the group hit its peak after Jones' departure, and particularly in the Mick Taylor years. Certainly the record sales attest to that. These could be accused of "underrating" Brian Jones - but this just becomes an argument between the classics from the Jones era and the classics from the Taylor era.
Except Brian's contributions were throughout the 60s, not just "the early days." And it was far from just "some tracks." He would take charge in the studio, he helped make them hits. Moreover, Brian championed Blues and World music, which greatly influenced the culture. And he composed an entire movie soundtrack. He certainly pioneered fashion. He was a literal 60s icon. It's the Jones era tracks that continue to define the band for for the general public, because it was by far the most creative. Taylor is great, but there were a lot of great guitarists in the 70s. There’s only one Brian Jones. 😎 And I find Taylor fans to be quite insecure, constantly needing to put Brian, Keith, and Ronnie down.
@@TheaterPupvery smart comment! Thank you!
Donovan plays tribute to Brian Jones (Join us on a unique Audio-Video-Musical Journey. We will hear the 12 Classic Blues Songs that BRIAN seriously studied from the age of 15-19 years. On our ‘Set‘ designed as a DELTA BLUES JOOK - JOINT - SHACK, JOOLZ JONES & THE JUKES perform Live.)
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For good or bad there would be no Stones without him.
Well done documents and no one questions what Jagger & Richards was, is and will be for RS, however, some hits have been leave out, where Brian contributes a lot. Eg az Lady Jane, Let's Spend The Night Together and and several others.
Thank God for rock and Rolling Stones fans Andrew Loog Oldham saw early on that Jagger and Richards had the song writing talent and the discipline to do it! Or no one in the world would ever know The Rolling Stones, they would’ve never been so big and famous if it weren’t for Jagger and Richards. Brian may have pulled them together in the very beginning but from two bands, Dick Taylor’s Little Boy Blue and the Blue boys and Alexis Korner’s Blues incorporated, Brian formed the Stones but by the time they were famous it was Jagger/Richards performances and compositions. Love what Brian did, but even if the claims that he did more contributions than he got credit for, it’s not a whole hell of a lot. Good or great even but still can be counted on one hand and even so it’s the singer’s voice that moves a song more than the marimbas. Imagine Under My Thumb without Mick Jagger, or Paint it Black, The Last time, Ruby Tuesday all songs that had the heavier influential elements of Jones, great that they may be. The real tragedy about Brian Jones is that he had a lot of talent but didn’t really lead the band. Had Brian been more confident in himself and less envious he probably would have made more contributions and possibly made the Stones an even better band, if that’s possible. Destiny or God has it’s ways of making things they way the work out. The Rolling Stones did great with or without Brian Jones but he deserves to be remembered for what he actually did do, not any more or less. Honestly I think Brian Jones is both, underrated and overrated.
Well said!
@@rm5201 Thanks for acknowledging some sense and reason.
I wish I could play any instrument like Brian. I’ve always been very envious of him.
Underrated, they were never the same
How many people think that now, in 2024, the remaining Stones have reflected somewhat about Brian and feel, even if they keep it to themselves, rather bad or regretful over the way Brian was treated.
Because they did him dirty. I've personally been witness to a band where the Brian Jones character weas eventually pushed out for a number of reasons, one of which is based in jealousy over his musical and playing abilities. Also, pure egos ganging up on one person--it never ends nicely.
He was a musical GENIUS : BRIAN JONES BABY!!!!
I'd say that Brian was an idiot savant without self-discipline. But I loved his work through Satanic Majesties.
Hey, look there goes, Brian Jones, the real true leader of the Rolling Stones.
Pure and simple. Underrated. What instrument couldn't he play?
The two narcissist liars Richard’s and jagger would have you believe he is overrated but anyone that knows anything about music and listens to his contributions know he is in fact underrated. He also wrote ruby Tuesday too which for some reason mick and Keith never gave him any credit for.
100%. Throw in greedy too. They did the same to Mick Taylor, stealing writing credits , turned that kid into a junkie. Mick & Keith are scum. Rich famous scum but none the less they have no inner soul. They denounce Brian but they stole from him and never even had the balls to go to his funeral.
@@catlover4700 👏👏👏
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Keith wrote Ruby Tuesday.
@@rm5201 With Brian together!
I.prefer The Mick Taylor era..in my not so humble Opinion..it is the best version of the band that existed
Then go to another video.
He needed people that actually cared about him. People that would help him to get into rehab. Not just fire him and forget about him. How sad 😢
I think people may not understand that fandom and objective historical fact are two different things. There's that demographic among Stones fans who essentially believe that there *was* no band before or after Mick Taylor; that's objectively dumb, of course, but those people are a big part of the Stones' fan base. It's not a question of whether one likes or dislikes Brian. The fact is that he started the band: Mick Jagger and Keith Richards came to audition for him, not the other way around. No Brian Jones, no Rolling Stones. He *is* the sound of records like "Get Off of My Cloud," "Paint It Black," "2000 Light Years from Home" and "No Expectations"; the distinctive flavor of those songs, the qualities that make them memorable, come directly from Brian Jones. Fans and music journalists get this hopelessly (and willfully) confused with his personal life and the disparaging remarks that some of his contemporaries have made about him, but there's nothing controversial about Brian's musical contribution to the band. It can't be argued away.
Über Bryan Jones ist eigentlich alles gesagt.....genug🎼🎵🎶
We still talk about Mozart don’t we?
@@TheaterPup And Eddie "The Eagle"...
It should be noted, although Mick Taylor played on probably the Stone best LP's ever, those LP's weren't great just because of him. Sticky Fingers was the first Stones LP without Jones.
Not just because of him - but one can say that everything kinda fell into place at this particular point in time.
I never knew about Brians child. This in and of itself could easily explain his downfall. A scar like that left untended will only fester over time.
"Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood
Brian Jones was an outstanding musician largely responsible for the Rolling Stones sound, music, and success. He was, unfortunately, not a very nice man in a world of hurt. The Stones records from his time are shining examples of the very best of the Rolling Stones.
"Nice" just means fake politeness. Glad Brian didn't have that.
@@TheaterPup My bad for being so nebulous. What I meant was that he beat up his girlfriends, rather badly. As in more than one.
He likely had psychological issues that were going untreated. He was ill, not evil. That said, I wouldn't use Keith's book as a primary source on Brian. Other sources close to Brian have said he would sooner walk away from a fight.@@artysanmobile
From what I remember reading somewhere in the past ALL of them were pretty crude.
I remember reading something from someone who went to where they were staying to interview them and while he was talking to Keith, one of his girlfriends came up and started giving Keith a bunch of crap and yelling at him and Keith just punched her right in the face and went back to talking to him. Like he did it every day.
@@michaelszczys8316 She was lucky he wasn’t carrying that day.
I was a stoones fan in 1963 when I was 12. I saw them live in 1972, and many times on TV
12:50 Linda Lawrence married Donovan and Brian's son Julian Brian is now Donovan's adopted son. Donovan and Linda's granddaughter Coco is the daughter of Shaun Ryder of Happy Mondays.
Oddly enough, both.
One thing for sure The Stones (whom I love don't get it twisted), play this "street role" in all actuality they were anything but street, they come from privileged backgrounds YOU CAN SEE IT!
Much like The Doors and Morrison the 60's seemed like a time when no one knew how to help someone who was battling drug addiction, depression or a personality crisis. Jim being a larger than life character the other bandmates were probably afraid of him but in Brians case the group just threw him under the bus and figured let someone else deal with him, even though there was no one who would. as a musician I believe he never got the credit due to him, as a person it seemed much like Morrison, He was fine until he got too far into the bottle to cope. A tragedy for everyone but mostly for the fans who were denied more of his remarkable creativity.
Very interesting documentary with great footage when you are a fan of The Stones. Never knew that Brian was a huge Beatles fan.
Thank you...Glad you enjoyed it!
Brian was really the First real "Rock Star".........and unfortunately the founding member of the "27 Club " RIP "GODSTAR"
Jones was neither underrated nor overrated. Jones was a musical genius but a mess of a human being.
I don't like pointing fingers of blame but his father was clearly a total arsehole, which may well have contributed greatly to his messed-up psychological state from an early age…
@terencebentley8398 having never read a biography of Brian Jones you may be correct. Sad all the way around actually. Such a great talent and such a mess of a life.
All the great early hits of the Stones you can hear Jones iconic sound in each big hit , and without
that iconic sound that Jones gave to each song, then quite possibly
the song might not have been the hit that they had become. Anyone who thinks that Jones had no baring on the groups early hits ( the ones that made the Stones what they become) , obviously doesn't have much of a clue about the composition of the music itself , and I'm not talking about Jaggers singing .
That's the truth! And is so simple to understand that Brian was the most important, the most talented and the founder of the Stones! Thank you Brian Jones! Respect 🙏
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
The core of the Rolling Stones was and still is Jagger and Richard. Brian did some beautiful coloring around the edges of their songs. And that's it ! And because of this he has become a cult following . His biggest mistake was not hanging in there. That's the tragedy! 🎸
In other words, you aren't too familiar with their 60s music.
Interestingly (sadly, in what was to follow later) when the 'Stones' appeared at the Palais in St Kilda, Victoria, February 1965, they were introduced as "Brian Jones and his Rolling Stones'
Brian was definitely the catalyst of this great group, but getting rid of him is, unfortunately, the best move they ever made.
I agree but would say ‘fortunately’.
That’s utter rubbish.
Best move? Not really
FfuU😅
@@J..398Brian was limited as a musician and "blocked" as a writer.Stones in the seventies with Brian would have done nothing