A formidable mind Germaine Greer has. Quite brilliant in so many ways. I'm not sure Buckley's statement "In America the penalties for rape are rather high". I don't think that's at all true then, or now.
Thanks for uploading this conversation in its entirety, I think there was only a brief clip on UA-cam of Germaine talking to William F. Buckley before. Wonderful lady - I'm a huge fan of Ms Greer.🍄
i did not live through these years .... but damnnnnnnnnnnnnn im jealous.... its on such a higher level .... people who disagree with each other but speak with each other in a respectful and smart way , they show us you can disagree with each other and still be civil and sensible
Yeah? Buckley did a lot of damage while caping for himself by engaging with people "on the other side." He wrote evil books that targeted dissent and change, ended up lumping everyone who differed from the White conservative Catholic male point of view as communists, concepts that have now morphed into "postmodern cultural marxism." He paved the way for Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich, Cheney. Don't be fooled.
It's sickening that the same arguments are still being hashed over on the left while the right is trampling our rights and finance is sucking the power away from the streets. Which is exactly what Buckley most dearly wished for and did all he could to make it happen.
Firing Line was even special in its day for having intellectual discussion and civil discourse. We probably have more options for this type of debate today than in Buckley's day though it's mostly on line.
Germaine's comment on the societal consequences of "close knit" families and the "generation gap" leading eventually to a society of people unable to cope with real social problems is prescient. What she didn't add was that this failure of the individual to even have the capacity for coping has led, here in america, the exponential growth of psychiatry and pharmaceutical corporations, mental illness agencies and private practices--not to mention the exponential growth of drug misuse ("legal" and illegal) and, likewise, all the agencies, laws, and "treatment" centers that have sprung up as a result. This crippling of responsibility for one's own life and to others without what amounts to as a "parasitic" reliance on impersonal institutions (described above) is a vacuum; and vacuums must be filled--and it has been! All in all this failure spells the death of democracy-perhaps even as a possibility--in america. I would say that "chaos" on a societal scale must lead to 3 alternatives,m--because "chaos" creates a vacuum that must be filled: 1.Self destruction (A world War with domestic upheavels) 2.Dictatorship in some form (a police state in the form of fascism or totalitarianism, especially pernicious from "democracies"--such as the american type)) 3.A better society (and the least likely, in my opinion ).
You seriously sum up that silly splash of a first paragraph with some little numbered point in support of dictators ffs as otherwise society isn’t…um…tough enough and there are poor people and depressed persons, and you object to their presence?! Why how brilliant - certainly societies with dictators have none of those unsavory things…Lmao. So to to sum up your overly melodramatic and rather hysterical prose the “kids” are (always) the problem (of course), mental illness - running from florid psychosis to clinical depression - isn’t “real” to you but is of course some strange conspiratorial militant alliance of the “kids” who aren’t tough enough or can’t “cope” and all pharmaceutical companies everywhere to undermine the golden structures of capitalism, and I’m sure you have an extensive background and training as a psychiatrist to support these claims)…and all of this to support one of the most limp claims imaginable - that capitalism would work for *everyone* if they just worked hard enough and we could have some clean/neat/“racially pure” society if we had a (capitalist) dictator…
"The English economy that was carefully dismantled by the Americans [...] Western Germany which was carefully built up by the Americans" - Great quote. I am writing that down. She says so many true things. Not everything is correct but she was fairly young back then. & "Welfare statism is not the same as socialism."
Please consider arguments set forth by people with respect, by which i mean critically evaluate them instead of letting your hormones do all the thinking
If indeed you are talking to me, your accusation is obnoxious and off the mark. I have listened to the discussion very closely, and you know and I know that, despite WB's respect for Greer's immense intellect, he was a neoliberal, individualist, capitalist adherent. Greer is suggesting that an altered economic system is required. And this was 50 years ago! Today, the capitalist system is so perverse-- with corporations running the west and democracy all but dead. So, with respect, say something intelligent instead of the simplistic misogynistic drivel you gave - if you decide to respond.
@@suedavis1781how is it misogynistic to ask you to not let your hormones do the thinking?! Are you saying that only women are affected, moderated by hormones. My adolescent male friends would beg to differ. So I got news for you mademoiselle, you might have some internalized misogyny, which if you would allow me to be cheeky, could have stopped from happening if you'd have not let your emotions do the thinking. And we have, i hope reconcilable, but nonetheless differences on how we perceive of free market capitalism. William f buckely wasnt particularly on the side of big business, he was on the side of instituting mechanisms by which individual rights are not trampled by powerful groups, be it big business (hes even against billboards because it tramples our right to view the natural world without obstructions) or big government. The abrogation of responsibility to politicians by voters needs to be very limited to drive change. I am living in a country where fabian democracy has been very much alive, where power is vested in a select corrupt few who have legitimised their "rule" over people's psyches and the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for economic and spiritual change.. The kind of misogyny i see on the daily in attitudes and conversations with people would make constituents of the west's skin crawl because of this alienation of individual responsibility and although this process has been centuries or even millenniums in its making, but now since women can be afforded the liberty to safely roam atleast parts of cities on their own and their ability to not just think for themselves but also to expound and materialise their individuality shouldnt be throttled by the big whigs of society, unless of course it becomes a law and order problem. the supposed greater good, which always will be expounded by the bitter children of the wealthy has slowed not only advances in materialist well being of individuals, but also has bogged down sociological changes because change needs disruptors You claim you despise buckley for being an individualist but without intrepid, perhaps even socially irresponsible individuals, women's liberation would have been a farcry. All everyone says is how women were not seen as individuals but as being part of just the fairer sex. I have thrown a lot at you, i probably should edit what i wrote here, but please respond if you may for elaboration on specific points, this has already gone longer than i expected. Oh btw, i guess you might have figured by now, I lionise william f buckley, but please dont hold that begrudgingly against me, i would really like to know what you think about it. I yearn for experiences where i go, oh so thats how it is, i was wrong about this like that. So please dont spare me nothing
I love the both of them. Germaine Greer misses on the point that grammar is not just English but amongst many languages. The ultimate winner is Greer. She is astonishing
Buckley is a problematic guy but he did relish giving a platform to people who didn't necessarily agree with him. So there's that. But yeah, she owned him here.
I remember a time when differing opinions weren't considered "problematic." Perhaps we shouldn't have given you an inch, and been the callous, bigoted and tyrannical society you claim we are/were.
why does greer infantilise the women who get coaxed ,cajoled or wheedled or argued or whatever into sex ? why is this our problem as a society know what you want and act accordingly
It's interesting to see this in 2023 and her admission of wanting to disrupt the nuclear family or how children need to look to someone other than their parents about their troubles. I think what we've seen transpire has only proven just how important a nuclear family is. Ironically, the feminists movement has created a monster such as the trans movement that now this woman has been canceled over. Because of course she still has common sense and understands that men are not women no matter how they identify.
Don’t be silly …trans have nothing to do with being a woman. It is a queer issue not a woman thing like me. I have to pay for my HRT and my menopause appointments…get real
I think her comment is that the forced mobility of labor displaced children and destroys the extended family (which she sees as more stable and functional than the nuclear family).
The nuclear family was, in part, destroyed by the insane increase in house prices forcing both parents to work in order to afford mortgage repayments. In fact in some cases the costs of essential childcare almost wiped out the advantage of that second wage. And in many cases wages of unskilled workers just didn’t keep pace with the cost of living. And it’s only getting worse.
@@roughhabit9085 Perhaps attractive appearances, but that still does not explain why some people still do not get the hint when these men are purposley repulsive.
I have no idea why some find this so engrossing. Buckley and I strongly suspect Greer, who at times seems to fancy herself some bizarre combination of Oscar Wilde and Veblen, are both drunk/cranked out of their minds yet they find their frequently silly ruminations endlessly fascinating (and the groundlings should of course be grateful for the crumbs that spill from their table 🙄). I feel like I’m listening to drunks at some dreadful endless faculty dinner with the usual displays of insecurity and neurotic afflictions and tedious selfishness.
Then who is supposed to put food on the table for children 3 times a day? She says it is a "duty". Yes, so what? You did not have to have children. It is also a duty for money to be brought into the household. Does she consider it a duty for the husband to work every day? The endless drivel that comes out of her mouth is so great that Buckley hardly knows what to address next in his line of questioning. He can't just have a discussion on every absurd thing this woman says. She does not think rape is a bad thing. She does not believe in prisons. Etc, etc. Endless nonsense. Reply
It has changed a lot, women didn't even always have equal pay back then, and were often treated as though their sexuality was nothing to do with actual pleasure during sex, for instance. And women are now in jobs that formerly were unavailable to them, especially in business.
My very first introduction to Germaine Greer - what an amazing woman! total respect and admiration - ty for uploading!
Germaine is formidable. Wonderful woman.
she is and always has been world class.
She makes so much sense
A formidable mind Germaine Greer has. Quite brilliant in so many ways. I'm not sure Buckley's statement "In America the penalties for rape are rather high". I don't think that's at all true then, or now.
Thanks for uploading this conversation in its entirety, I think there was only a brief clip on UA-cam of Germaine talking to William F. Buckley before. Wonderful lady - I'm a huge fan of Ms Greer.🍄
i did not live through these years .... but damnnnnnnnnnnnnn im jealous.... its on such a higher level .... people who disagree with each other but speak with each other in a respectful and smart way , they show us you can disagree with each other and still be civil and sensible
Yeah? Buckley did a lot of damage while caping for himself by engaging with people "on the other side." He wrote evil books that targeted dissent and change, ended up lumping everyone who differed from the White conservative Catholic male point of view as communists, concepts that have now morphed into "postmodern cultural marxism." He paved the way for Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich, Cheney. Don't be fooled.
And he was an anti-tax fanatic. He was a leader of the nonsense that has crippled public education and stigmatized public spending all over the world.
It's sickening that the same arguments are still being hashed over on the left while the right is trampling our rights and finance is sucking the power away from the streets. Which is exactly what Buckley most dearly wished for and did all he could to make it happen.
Firing Line was even special in its day for having intellectual discussion and civil discourse. We probably have more options for this type of debate today than in Buckley's day though it's mostly on line.
Wow. Buckley is making some stupid points. Advertising isn’t sexist because….they put pretty women in the advertisements?!? Good god.
19:52 - GG: "I happen to think that these are serious problems ..."
WB: "All problems are serious."
Buckley's complete and utter disdain for the hairbrush was sublime.
My parents were exactly as she described….no one to talk to……my granny was one person….but my parents sent me to my room ….😢 now I m 62
Great find! Surprised this wasn't found on Hoover Institute's page
She is so much smarter than he is, that I’m actually embarrassed for him.
He comes over as a bit of a bumbling fool, not really taking on board the scope of what she is saying!
Love Germaine!
This is a bit shocking. Buckley is embarrassingly all about the gotcha, and Greer is honest and intelligent. Seems like he resents her very existence.
Germain is damn clever and sharp as….
Germaine's comment on the societal consequences of "close knit" families and the "generation gap" leading eventually to a society of people unable to cope with real social problems is prescient. What she didn't add was that this failure of the individual to even have the capacity for coping has led, here in america, the exponential growth of psychiatry and pharmaceutical corporations, mental illness agencies and private practices--not to mention the exponential growth of drug misuse ("legal" and illegal) and, likewise, all the agencies, laws, and "treatment" centers that have sprung up as a result.
This crippling of responsibility for one's own life and to others without what amounts to as a "parasitic" reliance on impersonal institutions (described above) is a vacuum; and vacuums must be filled--and it has been!
All in all this failure spells the death of democracy-perhaps even as a possibility--in america.
I would say that "chaos" on a societal scale must lead to 3 alternatives,m--because "chaos" creates a vacuum that must be filled:
1.Self destruction (A world War with domestic upheavels)
2.Dictatorship in some form (a police state in the form of fascism or totalitarianism, especially pernicious from "democracies"--such as the american type))
3.A better society (and the least likely, in my opinion ).
Very interesting
You seriously sum up that silly splash of a first paragraph with some little numbered point in support of dictators ffs as otherwise society isn’t…um…tough enough and there are poor people and depressed persons, and you object to their presence?! Why how brilliant - certainly societies with dictators have none of those unsavory things…Lmao. So to to sum up your overly melodramatic and rather hysterical prose the “kids” are (always) the problem (of course), mental illness - running from florid psychosis to clinical depression - isn’t “real” to you but is of course some strange conspiratorial militant alliance of the “kids” who aren’t tough enough or can’t “cope” and all pharmaceutical companies everywhere to undermine the golden structures of capitalism, and I’m sure you have an extensive background and training as a psychiatrist to support these claims)…and all of this to support one of the most limp claims imaginable - that capitalism would work for *everyone* if they just worked hard enough and we could have some clean/neat/“racially pure” society if we had a (capitalist) dictator…
"The English economy that was carefully dismantled by the Americans [...] Western Germany which was carefully built up by the Americans" - Great quote. I am writing that down. She says so many true things. Not everything is correct but she was fairly young back then. & "Welfare statism is not the same as socialism."
Very interesting
She’s brilliant
And very overrated
William B. gets his hackles up sharply at the mere "thought" of a different economic system from the capitalist one, which he absolutely adores.
Please consider arguments set forth by people with respect, by which i mean critically evaluate them instead of letting your hormones do all the thinking
Are you talking to me? @kaustabhkalita2476
If indeed you are talking to me, your accusation is obnoxious and off the mark. I have listened to the discussion very closely, and you know and I know that, despite WB's respect for Greer's immense intellect, he was a neoliberal, individualist, capitalist adherent. Greer is suggesting that an altered economic system is required. And this was 50 years ago! Today, the capitalist system is so perverse-- with corporations running the west and democracy all but dead. So, with respect, say something intelligent instead of the simplistic misogynistic drivel you gave - if you decide to respond.
@@suedavis1781how is it misogynistic to ask you to not let your hormones do the thinking?! Are you saying that only women are affected, moderated by hormones. My adolescent male friends would beg to differ. So I got news for you mademoiselle, you might have some internalized misogyny, which if you would allow me to be cheeky, could have stopped from happening if you'd have not let your emotions do the thinking.
And we have, i hope reconcilable, but nonetheless differences on how we perceive of free market capitalism. William f buckely wasnt particularly on the side of big business, he was on the side of instituting mechanisms by which individual rights are not trampled by powerful groups, be it big business (hes even against billboards because it tramples our right to view the natural world without obstructions) or big government.
The abrogation of responsibility to politicians by voters needs to be very limited to drive change.
I am living in a country where fabian democracy has been very much alive, where power is vested in a select corrupt few who have legitimised their "rule" over people's psyches and the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for economic and spiritual change.. The kind of misogyny i see on the daily in attitudes and conversations with people would make constituents of the west's skin crawl because of this alienation of individual responsibility and although this process has been centuries or even millenniums in its making, but now since women can be afforded the liberty to safely roam atleast parts of cities on their own and their ability to not just think for themselves but also to expound and materialise their individuality shouldnt be throttled by the big whigs of society, unless of course it becomes a law and order problem. the supposed greater good, which always will be expounded by the bitter children of the wealthy has slowed not only advances in materialist well being of individuals, but also has bogged down sociological changes because change needs disruptors You claim you despise buckley for being an individualist but without intrepid, perhaps even socially irresponsible individuals, women's liberation would have been a farcry. All everyone says is how women were not seen as individuals but as being part of just the fairer sex. I have thrown a lot at you, i probably should edit what i wrote here, but please respond if you may for elaboration on specific points, this has already gone longer than i expected. Oh btw, i guess you might have figured by now, I lionise william f buckley, but please dont hold that begrudgingly against me, i would really like to know what you think about it. I yearn for experiences where i go, oh so thats how it is, i was wrong about this like that. So please dont spare me nothing
@@suedavis1781what “different economic system” do you feel that society should consider?
why is Bill's head almost sideways all the time I noticed on his shows??? any ideas?
His heavy ideas lean to the right
😂😂😂
She would be considered MAGA supporter by today's standards.
I love the both of them. Germaine Greer misses on the point that grammar is not just English but amongst many languages. The ultimate winner is Greer. She is astonishing
But English grammar is particular to English!
Meryl Streep is holding her own in this conversation...
Buckley is a problematic guy but he did relish giving a platform to people who didn't necessarily agree with him. So there's that. But yeah, she owned him here.
She didn't 'own' him at all. It was simply an intelligent discussion between two intelligent, articulate people.
@@maxbowie6074 don't disagree but she did make him blush. He is a fascinating human being. I don't dislike him and i am left Democrat.
@@mikeberry2332 She was far more persuasive than him here, and seemed to have a wider knowledge altogether.
I remember a time when differing opinions weren't considered "problematic." Perhaps we shouldn't have given you an inch, and been the callous, bigoted and tyrannical society you claim we are/were.
@@BulDurham What is that comment apropos of?
Is he wearing an Irish?
Anyone hear that fart sound at 15:18 ??? 😂😂😂
Buckley clearing his throat.
He does it atleast a 100 times in an hour's episode
He makes me so, so sick.
If WFB makes you sick, rest assured you really are sick .
Slicko head
How? He’s charming.
For the liar, truth is a poison
07:07 The synecdoche?
'early man' to mean both men and women
why does greer infantilise the women who get coaxed ,cajoled or wheedled or argued or whatever into sex ? why is this our problem as a society know what you want and act accordingly
It's interesting to see this in 2023 and her admission of wanting to disrupt the nuclear family or how children need to look to someone other than their parents about their troubles. I think what we've seen transpire has only proven just how important a nuclear family is. Ironically, the feminists movement has created a monster such as the trans movement that now this woman has been canceled over. Because of course she still has common sense and understands that men are not women no matter how they identify.
Don’t be silly …trans have nothing to do with being a woman. It is a queer issue not a woman thing like me. I have to pay for my HRT and my menopause appointments…get real
@The Moving Dance I agree with you. Not sure I understand what you mean. I agree that Trans is not a woman's issue.
I think her comment is that the forced mobility of labor displaced children and destroys the extended family (which she sees as more stable and functional than the nuclear family).
The nuclear family was, in part, destroyed by the insane increase in house prices forcing both parents to work in order to afford mortgage repayments. In fact in some cases the costs of essential childcare almost wiped out the advantage of that second wage. And in many cases wages of unskilled workers just didn’t keep pace with the cost of living.
And it’s only getting worse.
Pissed.
What is it about God that he always gives us a clear red flag to signal danger in the way a man proudly presents his absurd hair to the world?
“The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar “
~ Machiavelli
@@roughhabit9085
Perhaps attractive appearances, but that still does not explain why some people still do not get the hint when these men are purposley repulsive.
Men are very sad.
Slime ball
Did your parents raise one?
transition already
Germaine Bignockers was a feisty Lady ......RIP .
she's not dead!
what the fuck did you just call her??
I have no idea why some find this so engrossing. Buckley and I strongly suspect Greer, who at times seems to fancy herself some bizarre combination of Oscar Wilde and Veblen, are both drunk/cranked out of their minds yet they find their frequently silly ruminations endlessly fascinating (and the groundlings should of course be grateful for the crumbs that spill from their table 🙄). I feel like I’m listening to drunks at some dreadful endless faculty dinner with the usual displays of insecurity and neurotic afflictions and tedious selfishness.
Nah, that's just you.
Then who is supposed to put food on the table for children 3 times a day? She says it is a "duty". Yes, so what? You did not have to have children. It is also a duty for money to be brought into the household. Does she consider it a duty for the husband to work every day? The endless drivel that comes out of her mouth is so great that Buckley hardly knows what to address next in his line of questioning. He can't just have a discussion on every absurd thing this woman says. She does not think rape is a bad thing. She does not believe in prisons. Etc, etc. Endless nonsense.
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Nothing has changed since 1973
It has changed a lot, women didn't even always have equal pay back then, and were often treated as though their sexuality was nothing to do with actual pleasure during sex, for instance. And women are now in jobs that formerly were unavailable to them, especially in business.
Women's lib dispossessed women from their own gender. Well done!
Sins of the spirit are worse.