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  • @FliteTest
    @FliteTest  12 років тому +7

    I'm still asking myself that question... It's really because of the people around me. The best decision I made was to surround myself with people more talented than myself. I am so thankful for them! -Chad

  • @luke_atthat
    @luke_atthat 5 років тому

    You are The Best! I typed "RC micro planes angle of motor shaft" and your video was the first one and the best to address this issue! I crash head on floor my biplan, UMX PT-17 and the motor went out tearing the foam. I glued it very well! Was so proud... And I tried it: flew right up and left! I remember that I noticed the shaft was originally low and right... And looking at my repairs I found it to be quite straight... Thanks to your video you explain well the reason behind it. Now I know what to change. I like very much your tutorial videos! Thank you.

  • @DannyCruzCreations
    @DannyCruzCreations 10 років тому +13

    Well that was the best explanation of thrust angle I've seen so far. Thank you.

  • @ronaldgreenwood5704
    @ronaldgreenwood5704 6 місяців тому

    Excellent description and understanding of thrust angle. I built a Pup, a small scale, piper cub, and found when I first flew it that I had to hold the stick back with a lot of pressure. I increased the vertical thrust angle by adding 3/16” washers to the lower engine supports. That was all it took to be able to fly hands off at normal power. Thrust angle is very important and it is very sensitive. Thanks again for your explanation.

  • @VoidedWarranty
    @VoidedWarranty 12 років тому +1

    Finally, a good video on thrust angles! If you use mixing instead, you introduce trim drag. Not that it's noticeable on most planes, but if you're going for speed or efficiency, every little bit helps.

  • @organgrind
    @organgrind 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent, I wish you still did content like this.

  • @timwilson7326
    @timwilson7326 4 роки тому

    I only noticed a right thrust angle after I crashed my plane 3 times, the latest needing a motor, prop and motor mount replacement, as well as glueing the front end foam back together. I glued the foam back and installed new front end, and then noticed the thrust angle. Happy to know that it was probably always that way, and I can just add washers under the mounting screws if I want to change it.

  • @jeffgrave
    @jeffgrave 12 років тому

    you are correct. The engine torque (roll axis) is netted out usually by the strong wing lift forces, but the air hitting the tail is amplified by the long moment distance from the tail to the center of gravity of the plane.

  • @Cyberdactyl
    @Cyberdactyl 12 років тому +25

    You're right guys, the girlfriend agrees wholeheartedly the thrust angle is all important.

  • @cayrick
    @cayrick 7 років тому +1

    Thanks that helps a lot. Perhaps in another video you explained it but it is important to explain that slow speed aerodynamics can be quite different than high speed flight dynamics, in particular the effects of prop wash.

  • @beyondfossil
    @beyondfossil 12 років тому +1

    Great info. I like these types of specific build tips.

  • @fairdale139
    @fairdale139 2 роки тому

    It is nice of you to show us and give us the information about the thrust but what about if you have a twin motor plane?

  • @dcav8r
    @dcav8r 12 років тому +4

    I always thought right thrust angle was to compensate for Differential Thrust, where the down moving prop caught more air than the up moving prop due to the angle of attack. I fail to imagine an experiment to tease this apart from torque, though. Differential Thrust would cause yaw where torque would cause roll - that's one angle to exploit, potentially.

  • @Elephantine999
    @Elephantine999 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the tip about armature wire! Good video!

  • @Ucceah
    @Ucceah 8 років тому +2

    haha, i like the carbon arrow shafts used on the slow stick. always good, when you know where to get your carbon fix

  • @mrmurder75
    @mrmurder75 12 років тому

    Great summery of thrust angle. Seems a bit of a black art at first but once you get your head round it, it's fairly simple. But if in doubt, and your tx supports it, use mix!

  • @agentgreengnome
    @agentgreengnome 12 років тому +1

    i like to use ~1/8" of fuel line or soft silicon washers as a compressible washers/vibration dampers between the motor and firewall.
    to adjust the thrust angle, you just selectively tighten or loosen the motor mount screws.

  • @be_water_23
    @be_water_23 12 років тому

    really nice!! i liked a lot!! i already know about the angle, but have a lot of information that i dont know yet

  • @RBAERO
    @RBAERO 11 років тому +2

    Very good video. But I need to know is there any book on design rc airplanes or aircraft show some calculation on this angle. Design my own models and is already tiring always having to adjust the angle to hit the right angle of the engine.

  • @carmatic
    @carmatic 11 років тому

    basically, the main thing is the vertical thrust angle due to the offsetting of the motor or prop to the centerline of thrust ... and this would cause the prop to work at an angle compared to the incident airflow, and its rotation would develop an asymmetrical thrust to the left or right, this is what the left or right thrust angle will compensate for

  • @VoidedWarranty
    @VoidedWarranty 12 років тому

    You can also compensate for a roll axis by causing roll through yaw. If one wing is leading the other, you'll end up with roll in planes with sweep or dihedral.
    I can demonstrate torque being compensated by right thrust with one of my small high power EDFs. it has very pronounced torque roll, which was cured with right thrust. Zero of the thrust hits the tail.

  • @desidudes78
    @desidudes78 12 років тому

    Cool video! Greetings from Argentina

  • @timothybarnum6786
    @timothybarnum6786 4 роки тому

    The explanation that the prop rotation creates a torque which is counteracted by angling the motor to the right. I notice that the effect is demonstrated with turning the prop counterclockwise and the motor having a clockwise thread. I have a motor which has a counterclockwise thread so I need to use a clockwise propellor. Am I correct that my motor should be angled left?

  • @andygsp
    @andygsp 12 років тому

    a funjet will work fine with no angle. The forces that are in play requiring thrust angle changes do not apply to planes like the funjet because a) thrust angle is almost the same as the main drag thrust line. b) there is no plane surface behind the propeller for the prop wash to be affecting. It is possible that an extremely slight up angle is helpful for funjets, but probably not really necessary.

  • @WingnutDumbace
    @WingnutDumbace 12 років тому +1

    Are you saying then, that on the Bixler, the thrust angle should run through the CG of the plane?

  • @coopw101
    @coopw101 11 років тому +14

    Thanks guy's now I have a plane that flys.

  • @cactusjackthedesertrat5601
    @cactusjackthedesertrat5601 3 роки тому

    Very informative video thank you

  • @fjtoysaeromodels2176
    @fjtoysaeromodels2176 3 роки тому

    For me, im not use side thrust on all my plane, but i mix the throttle and a little aileron to the right. So it can fly well even i do inverted flight.

  • @helishskills
    @helishskills 12 років тому

    Great information guys, truly educational!

  • @doughwitt
    @doughwitt 12 років тому

    Thank You Guys for helping to clear this up. But where can I get the heavy duty armature wire that you talked about.

    • @abhishekh4559
      @abhishekh4559 6 років тому

      I found some at Michael's today, I don't know whether it is good enough though. Did you manage to find any?

  • @richardmiddleton7770
    @richardmiddleton7770 2 роки тому

    Old video I know, but they don't explain thrust angle for a low wing plane? Would you need the motor angled upwards? The reason I ask is my Edge 540 needs quite a bit of elevator to climb with power on but wants to rise with power off (landing).

  • @StupidLilPlanes
    @StupidLilPlanes 12 років тому

    I always thought the thrust angle worked in concert with the wings angle of attack. For example, on the Bixler the down ward thrust packs pressure under the wing. and the same with the motor pulling down on a front downward mounted motor. either way if you notice, the line of thrust is the same for both plane, just the trimming is different.

  • @22koraals
    @22koraals 6 років тому

    Before read this, my personnel concept is same as you about thrust angles but it is more technically explained in following link. Please explain. Thank you.

  • @usmandogar5946
    @usmandogar5946 4 роки тому

    Hi josh. Hope you doing well. Tht video is very useful for trainer. If you share the detail of thrust angle formula. According to plan size or weight. Then will be very good for us.

  • @TheSk33z
    @TheSk33z 8 років тому

    Thanks, as im building my own REAL aircraft this explained the basics for me.

    • @pantac4493
      @pantac4493 8 років тому +4

      Dennis Häggqvist they're all real, you're just going to be in a full size one

  • @kkrampus
    @kkrampus 12 років тому

    Thank you for the informative video. A lot of poeple don't know this!
    I remember I gave basically the same info on RCGroups (the guy was building a plane similar to the Bixler) and I was basically told to stuff it by the next guy who said to angle the motor down on to the H. fin to push the tail down. The problem is that the OP believed him.
    I feel sorry for the OP who came out with a ruined plane from that experience.

  • @VoidedWarranty
    @VoidedWarranty 12 років тому

    it could be that you're adjusting it too much. in some planes, you need very little. In my 33% yak54, 2 degrees of right thrust made the tail kick out violently when you'd slam the throttle forward. 2.5 degrees of right thrust was totally perfect, and 3 was too much. Those will likely be different for your plane, but that's just an example of how sensitive it can be on some planes. Also check that your rudder is dead on straight, don't want to try to compensate yaw trim with thrust line.

  • @MrBrontausaure
    @MrBrontausaure 12 років тому

    You are totally right, on real planes we have to compensate giving foot to the right to have a nice right flight, but it is easier because we let our foot a the determined position, it is not like with the stick of a radio.

  • @Stephane1995
    @Stephane1995 12 років тому

    I am still very proud of the fact that I own the same xacto knife as the flitetest crew :) :) :)

  • @123bekie123
    @123bekie123 11 років тому +1

    yes :) so the motor when you look from the font should have the tip where the prop is higher than where the motor mount is.

  • @TheRadioControlKid
    @TheRadioControlKid 12 років тому

    Thanks guys! Im building a .25 size trainer with a Turnigy 35-36 engine. This is gunna help!

  • @ramonmejias2178
    @ramonmejias2178 Рік тому

    Hey Josh I'm having a really hard time with my aeroscout s2 it keeps rolling to the right I've tried a new receiver tried changing the angle of my ailerons can you please help 🙏

  • @Bing80
    @Bing80 12 років тому

    Great tip! I've been wondering a long time why my pusher (like the Bixler) never could keep a straight line with different throttle :-)

  • @archiguitarchi
    @archiguitarchi 6 років тому

    Great video. I'm not holding out much hope for a reply from Bix, but here goes. My question is, what if the motor pod (pusher) has the prop one inch rearward of the leading edge and the thrust line 6" above the bottom of the airfoil? My Walmart glider has this pusher configuration. The GC is about 1.5" forward of the trailing edge at the fuse and the motor thrust line is maybe 2º down (just a fraction of the Bixler planes). Under power the plane flies just great. When the throttle is chopped it noses up slightly, then it pitches straight down and can only be pitched back up with full up elevator and power. In other words, violent porpoising. Please.............tell me what I need to know. THANKS!

    • @motorradmike
      @motorradmike 5 років тому

      archiguitarchi tail heavy. Move your CG forward.

  • @obiwankenobi2749
    @obiwankenobi2749 3 роки тому

    Im currently trying to 3d print an aircraft. Due to the design, its gonna weigh alot. Im thinking ill counter this by using a large motor and a big prop. Im afraid the torque might be so much at low speeds, that the plane wont be capable of even getting up to speeds without violently spinning. Is there any real way to combat this? I was thinking of adding an adjustable (via servo) thrust angle. Is that even practical?

  • @rgeller56
    @rgeller56 6 років тому

    Hey Josh I just picked up a multiplex mentor I'm putting it together what do you think my thrust angle should be I have a Apprentice should I start with that thrust angle cuz that seems to work fine with that

  • @RCKingSouthAfrica
    @RCKingSouthAfrica 8 років тому

    Great show! I am however unclear on thrust angle. There are many RC Posts on groups saying that the motor torque has little to do with thrust angle, but rather how the spinning air off the propeller hits the body of the plane. They call this P-Factor. This is why the thrust angle is different for different models. If it were torque alone, then surely each motors thrust angle would be the same for a given power ratio. Could you guys elaborate?

    • @RCotaku69
      @RCotaku69 7 років тому

      Not that I knew this before reading your comment, but you are talking about prop wash rather than P-factor. Thanks to your comment, I did a little more research and found a webpage that gives a basic explanation of these along with propeller torque effect. It was enlightening. Check it out.
      wiki.flightgear.org/Understanding_Propeller_Torque_and_P-Factor

    • @ethanchua2335
      @ethanchua2335 7 років тому

      Yeah @RC King is kind of right motor torque would produce roll in the opposite direction so P-Factor is the one here to blame for the yaw.

  • @bearospace
    @bearospace 12 років тому

    suggestion. your epp fpv is a single boom plane. could it be that you have extra equpment up front, or just a large side area in front of the wing. this configuration should not be very sensitive to thrust angle, due to the motor being close to the center of drag. perhaps the vertical stabilizer area is marginal. try enlarging it a bit, maybe 20 percent, and see if it help. wish you the best. bear.

  • @slinkytreekreeper
    @slinkytreekreeper 12 років тому +1

    should a delta like the funjet have just up or some left or right also?

  • @sailorjohn2224
    @sailorjohn2224 12 років тому

    Hey I've not seen a video of chad's twin boom gws slow flyer pusher prop. I know a lot of guys have one collecting dust. and we would welcome the chance to see a pusher with alerons.

  • @lectro88
    @lectro88 2 роки тому

    Big help thanks

  • @Donald-v8r
    @Donald-v8r 8 місяців тому

    Thanks Guys

  • @Umaransari-ny6yo
    @Umaransari-ny6yo 6 років тому

    Sir i used 10 inch prop with 1000kv motor and a little down thrust,that was okk..but now i want to use a 6 inch prop with 1400kv motor...will it be necessary to give down thrust to the motor or small prop dont require down thrust...here is my flight vidio with 1045 prop and down thrust

  • @kkrampus
    @kkrampus 12 років тому

    The thrust angle is the same as the tractor had the motor in front and below the CG and the Bixler had it aft and above, basically an exact mirror.
    If a tractor had the motor above the CG, which almost never happens, the angle would be upwards.

  • @amogh2864
    @amogh2864 7 років тому +1

    I am currently building a twin boom pusher rc airplane but I don't know what to do with the thrust angle, the motor is mounted below the wing unlike the ones you showed in the video. So should I give down thrust or upthrust or just neutral?

    • @ethanchua2335
      @ethanchua2335 7 років тому +1

      Leaving it at neutral would be just fine since assuming your motor setup is at the approximate "middle" of the fuselage, any forces acting on it won't be significant in any direction. However if you do wish to put some angle on it should be up and left (inverse of tractor) and reverse prop is spinning CCW viewed from front.

  • @creativeapil1046
    @creativeapil1046 4 роки тому

    HOW WE calculate thrust ?
    is it equal thrust as weight at 100% throttle
    or equal thrust as weight at 50%. ? Help please

  • @davidalejandrocardonaalbar3676
    @davidalejandrocardonaalbar3676 4 роки тому +1

    1:55 Can someone please give me specs, name, etc. from this plane thank you 1:55

    • @MatthewNovoselskiy
      @MatthewNovoselskiy 4 роки тому +1

      It’s like a twin boon rc plane

    • @davidalejandrocardonaalbar3676
      @davidalejandrocardonaalbar3676 4 роки тому +1

      @@MatthewNovoselskiy I'm going to build a similar one, thanks for the information

    • @MatthewNovoselskiy
      @MatthewNovoselskiy 4 роки тому

      @@davidalejandrocardonaalbar3676 no problem, they are easy to build as a matter of fact I just finished one an hour ago so there u go they easy to build

  • @FPVTrond
    @FPVTrond 12 років тому

    Very informative!

  • @6316489
    @6316489 12 років тому

    hey guys what i have noticed with the pusher types your thrust is useually aimed at the leading edge of the plane

  • @rchobbykhem
    @rchobbykhem 4 роки тому

    Hiii I'm confused to find cg point in rc plane can you solve

  • @bhoff82
    @bhoff82 12 років тому

    I have to ask, what software do you use for video editing? I love it!

  • @Aniyannc33
    @Aniyannc33 3 роки тому

    I rebuilt the engine mount on a turbo Timber. Now, I gave some down thrust, but still the plane wants to climb no matter what the throttle is. Do I need even more angle down? The CG hasn't changed, Anyone has any suggestions?>

  • @itsmecarter2
    @itsmecarter2 8 років тому +1

    miss ya chad

  • @doughwitt
    @doughwitt 12 років тому

    ALso What size and kind of wire are you talking about.?

  • @rgeller56
    @rgeller56 9 років тому

    motor tilted right slitly it did so when motor was strait also help

  • @chirodoc65
    @chirodoc65 9 років тому +4

    I have a question. Just getting started in RC I put a plane together w and electric motor, have not flown it yet, when i do a test taxi the plane pulls to the left. How many degrees do I have to tilt the motor to the right to fix this problem. Thx

    • @guggyman1
      @guggyman1 7 років тому

      Agree!

    • @TestECull
      @TestECull 6 років тому

      Adjust your nosewheel linkage. If it's a tail dragger and you can adjust the tailwheel, do that, but don't adjust the rudder linkage for ground handling.

  • @Yaakov444
    @Yaakov444 11 років тому

    thrust angle it very very important for good flying

  • @jagman_singh
    @jagman_singh 12 років тому

    please do a episode on making a scratch build rc ultralight as the hobbyking
    quicksilver

  • @MrJdspecial1
    @MrJdspecial1 12 років тому

    good tip!

  • @dronemaker8420
    @dronemaker8420 4 роки тому

    How to make turbo engine for rc plane ..please make the vidio about it

  • @lancelotlalla7561
    @lancelotlalla7561 6 років тому

    Hl guys,how would I check to see what angle is needed.

  • @infiltrator7777
    @infiltrator7777 12 років тому

    Chad how do you find the time to run an agency, produce these videos and work on planes????

  • @bignorbert1136
    @bignorbert1136 4 роки тому

    NOT torque reaction, but P-factor. Torque reaction is minimal, although it exists.

  • @derekinbritishcolumbia1449
    @derekinbritishcolumbia1449 4 роки тому

    Incorrect statement at the beginning. Motor torque does not cause the plane to pull left. P. factor causes an unbalanced flow of air past the stab and rudder, causing the plane to yaw left. Right thrust corrects this.

  • @2007crf450r
    @2007crf450r 12 років тому

    so do i need to add a little upward thrust angle to my epp fpv plane???

  • @tataboutelam
    @tataboutelam 12 років тому

    Good thing to know, I first thought that these airplane were broken. I would have tried to fix them!

  • @Soldier53flyer
    @Soldier53flyer 12 років тому

    Was there any turkey's hurt in that episode? LOL!! :-)

  • @BensCanyonAT4
    @BensCanyonAT4 11 років тому

    What is that Cessna looking airplane that chad picked up at the beginning?

    • @giftcard2462
      @giftcard2462 10 років тому

      A Talyorcraft, there was a vid early on in FT

  • @kathleenrobertpogue6818
    @kathleenrobertpogue6818 3 роки тому

    Ah man, what about when its mounted on the front of a wing?

  • @123bekie123
    @123bekie123 11 років тому

    not necesarily. The closer the motor is to the CG the more if an effect it will have on the yaw/pitch of the plane. if your motor is above the cg, the plane will probably want to pitch down when you give throtle. and same on the bottom of the plane.

  • @MrudangSavsani
    @MrudangSavsani 12 років тому

    when is David coming..... i miss him in the Quick tip episodes.....

  • @abhishekh4559
    @abhishekh4559 7 років тому

    what is armature wire? can you please link me to an example online, please. I cannot seem to find it. I would like to check it out. thanks!! also what gauge do you use for those planes?

    • @abhishekh4559
      @abhishekh4559 6 років тому

      I found it at Michael's today! I am now trying to figure out how to put it together.

  • @hankturner2790
    @hankturner2790 Рік тому

    You didn’t touch on forward facing power pods like you see on gliders.

  • @Timless2
    @Timless2 6 років тому

    What gauge armature wire?

  • @stefanspirit100
    @stefanspirit100 12 років тому

    What agency do you own?

  • @skionn
    @skionn 3 роки тому

    Thank for the tip
    But I believe I have some problem on my 1.2 wingspan T-28 with this thrust angle after I hit the trees by accident
    Now everything is in place but because of the impact i believe the angle slightly change
    Can anybody send some picture from top and side of T-28 or send me some reference angle for that plane
    I really appreciate if somebody help me to fix this problem

  • @geneticallyinferior1
    @geneticallyinferior1 12 років тому +1

    dont forget p-factor. especially important for taildraggers during take off and landing i.e. when inexperienced pilots experience the so called "tip stall"

  • @youronlycow
    @youronlycow 12 років тому

    hi chad! what agency do you run?

  • @womackke
    @womackke 12 років тому

    I have a twin boom pusher plane with a gws slow flyer prop with ailerons that I built. I just posted a video of it....

  • @NivaldoRibeiro82
    @NivaldoRibeiro82 3 роки тому

    Why not put the motor straight and adjust those tendencies mixing throttle with rudder, elevator... The advantages of this is to fine tune it until you get it almost perfect!

  • @sochineze
    @sochineze 5 років тому

    unrelated question: if i have a set up that produces 500 grams of thrust, will i be able to fly a 500 gram plane?

    • @Marco-uw2hf
      @Marco-uw2hf 5 років тому

      Depends on the type of plane, and propellor/edf

  • @goharaligohar3293
    @goharaligohar3293 6 років тому

    From where to get these motors

    • @akanaun
      @akanaun 6 років тому

      hobbyking.com/en_us/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_dDs0pO83AIVz7WWCh2xeAFcEAAYASAAEgLDVvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

  • @geneticallyinferior1
    @geneticallyinferior1 12 років тому

    Why is my aircraft turning left all the time?
    This occurs only in aircraft with propellers at the front of the aircraft. And yes, it does occur in real life. Four distinct phenomena cause the effect, all causing the aircraft to turn in the same direction. They are:
    1 Prop wash
    2 Propeller torque effect
    3 P-Factor
    4 Gyroscopic Precession

  • @dan110024
    @dan110024 12 років тому

    I can only imagine the comments that the other Josh would make about 'thrust angle', if he was there.

  • @biglon62
    @biglon62 12 років тому

    Thanks guys!!

    • @DLM517
      @DLM517 3 роки тому

      Ok, in rc boats we have the thrust from prop to the right and downnabout 4 degrees, it makes boat to go straight and from reading here, sounds like the same for planes, am i correct or not.

  • @stephencantbewrong8250
    @stephencantbewrong8250 5 років тому

    yahooo!!! Nice explanation.

  • @geneticallyinferior1
    @geneticallyinferior1 12 років тому

    they do have thrust angle but it isnt as pronounced. a properly designed 3d plane has everything inline along a central axis. i.e. a center mounted motor, symmetrical wings and tail, reducing any off axis torque effects.

  • @2010harof3
    @2010harof3 12 років тому

    Chad should make plans for the experimental airplane that he's making :)

  • @matthewfchiera
    @matthewfchiera 7 років тому

    Ok i get the plane needs some downward and right thrust angle. But is this for a CW or CCW prop?

  • @ThisIsDavesGarage
    @ThisIsDavesGarage 12 років тому

    Why don't 3D planes have a severe thrust angle?