Map info still belongs to those two If anything she'd be in a double senti comp providing extra defence on the defenders side while functioning as we have breach at home on attackers
Fade just needs to be pre nerf. Same with viper imo. And buff cloves ult back. Like some of these changes were over board. While you’re at it give Skye her third flash back but make it a full 60 second recharge.
honestly even from the very start it was clear as day it was absolutely cracked. maybe not broken because the ult is undeniably not one of the best but her overall kit is nuts(especially the flash)
@@emmanueltheorb in comparison to other 8-ult orb ults it doesn't nearly have the same potential. Even in comparison with the other 8 orb sentinel(kj), it doesn't bring as much lockdown potential, since classics would still be much much better than forcing them out of circle.
yeah, a global trip/insane isolating tool, a rechargeable info flash, and 2 mollies which has the same trajectory of the most broken mollies in the game. Yeah, even if they reduce the ult's duration, Vyse would still replace a few agents in some comps.
The ultimate sure was great but you can't use it every round meanwhile her other kit was super efficient as hell 500 costs for full kit and every utility had value?it's definitely great@@emmanueltheorb
@@aryanbanda5800 Well in my opinion its way better to push a Classic than an Operator on attack lol, the ult has amazing value for retakes too if you pair it accordingly with the team
@@twoshu8940 it has essentially the same stats as all those stuff i mentioned, skye flash as in her ability to give info when flashing an opponent, breach flash as in able to flash thru walls, cypher cam as in ability to place in weird spots and reusable
think about this in a post plant as attacker and just holding an angle that you know where the last person is and the second they peek you just pop your flash, this is an unreal ability
I predicted that the Shear was gonna cost 200 credits, since it is common place among Sentinels with traps to be able to at least buy the trap and one charge of your other ability, so you can combo them together on pistol round, while also having enough credits for light armor. I am however a bit suprised that Razorvines only cost 150 credits, because every Sentinel other than Sage and Chamber have a total ability cost of 600, but I guess it's because it isn't as good used aggressively as a Nanoswarm or Cyber Cage.
I think she can be paired really well with a breach. Combos like razorvine + aftershock, arc rose+ flashpoint at the same part so if you look away you get flashed a little later by the rose and if you break the rose the flashpoint flashes you, rolling thunder + steel garden.
Breach goes well with anyone in general. But I think she'll replace Breach in some comps like Haven. Imagine double controller, Sova/Fade, movement and Vyse. You get scanned while getting flashed, through smokes.
You better have a strong retake comp. Thankfully people are getting smarter and realizing that a sentinel is about passive map control and not always about shutting down a push.
that's what i was thinking, duelist dashes in, shear seperates them and breach stuns for a free first blood, breach could stun off the razorvine as you can't dodge it in time, then you farm
This looks like a perfect agent for fast flood retakes. You let them on the site and keep them there, with your team ready to fast flood. It's an interesting twist on "holding space" where while you're not physically stopping them from getting on, but you're still holding "control" of the space. Great agent design imo
The threat of the ult in retakes is ridiculous. There’s the situation you described and then there’s the situation where you’re attacking and take the site and then can just hold the space with the ultimate, if they try to retake, ult and you get a huge advantage in the fights.
@@z34567890123456 kj ult is stronger in that sense, its not even close, i think they're both somewhat similar with kj ult being better but only slightly because it detains
vyse vines and harbor ult would be good on attack side execute, add a gekko molly for extra pain, maybe think of the vines like a grav net, cuz it basically forces the enemies not to move whie in it
theres no way that this agent is actualy this balanced and strong at the same time I love it. Like thr flash gives really good value and has a low cooldown but you can counter that by destroying the flash and making the cd longer
I have been thinking the same lol. I thought of a couple buffs that I think would actually be fair and could help him though. 1.) make it so the trip can be placed on vertical surfaces. This will definitely increase the number of times it works but will make him more formidable in holding a site. 2,) Increase headhunter ads zoom to like 3x instead of 1.5x, so as to give ads with it more use case. And 3.) in conjunction with #2, an ads hs with the headhunter should make a slow field, shorter in duration than ult or trip slow field, on their dead body. Giving reason to use his headhunter even on full buy rounds an allowing him to have better rush stopping potential which all other sentinels have to varying degrees.
@NikolaBlahBlahh lol okay mister pro league I'm D3. And I understand it needs tweaks but let's be honest in that Chamber has little in terms of team util and I think that doing something to change that would be a step in the right direction
@@ArchDude17 what about Reverting his trademark ability to being to operate rangeless again and not deactivate after a certain distance Reverting how noisy his trademark ability is whilst being placed, so it is actually quieter again and not so obvious to hear, undoing the patch where his trademark was made louder If chamber's rendezvous gets broken, allow it to regenerate instead of being unusable for the whole round, and require a regeneration of time of 30 seconds to come back to usable ability again If chamber's rendezvous is recalled, change it from a 30 second to 20 second cooldown to be able to be reused again so it can be used more throughout the round. Make the stability curve on the headhunter slightly better again to reward daring plays on eco or thrifty rounds as the headhunter sees reduced use after pistol, thrifty or eco rounds apart from when Chamber is using an operator.
Razor thorn has one glaring problem. You can strafe in it without taking damage and even stand still meaning you have no reason to get out of it. Also the flash is easy to see from a mid range, once people know the locations of where it is its going to be as useful as cypher trips good against people who dont know
that is where you want to comba the razorvine with, remember every util isnt meant to be used alone just imagine youre being rushed and you get caught in the razorvine, you are gonna be moving or gamble that you can get a pick before you ultimately die imagine you get caught in a razorvine and a flash hits you, you def dont want to just stand still and hope to god your random spray hits someone and especially you dont want to just stand still when youre in a razorvine with a molly the util combo with razorvine is where i see that it has its best value
Imagine if the ult was instead a visible pool that you can enter/re-enter and it still disables primaries, its just it doesn't just affect surrounding players, but any upcoming players
I feel like the flash is gonna get shot out pretty easily if you try to use it like a breach flash while attacking. It feels like she is going to end up more like deadlock for attack where you try to set up some sort of trap for the retakers
sonic sensor paired with the sheer is evil work. sheer + deadlock ult could also be good, if activated just bounce it off a wall and their teammates cant shoot them out
This is our first official two way sentinel. I know deadlock kind of is but this honey right here can flex initiator quite well. I don’t think it’s going to be quite as annoying as deadlock and sage together but it might be close.
Your best use for the ult on attack is to use it when your team is on an eco everyone half buys or buys Ghosts/Sheriffs Vyse ults a site get 2-3 kills and now your team has rifles to defend the bomb with.
I expect wall to go up to 400 like Sage's and slow to also be 200 each. If im not mistaken I thought every full ability loadout was supposed to cost 800
the lame thing about her is that the razorvine should be considered as a slow, not a molly. If I understood correctly, it only does damage IF you walk, if ur standing still it cant damage you. So you cannot clear angles just because you threw a razorvine there. Also it has almost no postplant value since throwing it on the spike wont interrupt the defuse since the defuser...is standing still. Now I do like how the vinea produce sound if people walk through it which makes me think vyse is more focused on info gathering rather than actualy pushing people off of angles. These mostly apply for attack
I think that Riot is going for the philosophy that it's easier to nerf a powerful agent to make them balanced than buffing a weak one until they are viable. There is no way that vyse stays this strong for long.
My only question about the Q ability is would you be able to trip it if you say omen tp across it? Or chamber tp? If it alerts you it beats most sentinel utility in the game tbh
We need two trips for chamber and increase the range of tp or not but two trips can help a lot. I mean as a sentinel chamber cant hold a site even you get a kill you have to tp back cause maximum time in high rank people always there for trade. So if rhey give two trip you can get massive help. Otherwise give a buff when we retrieve the trip can use it instantly. That also help a lot. Some people will say increase the range so let me tell you something the range is just perfect. The range is good enough to get away from dangerous situation. But yeah the cooldown is so fucking long 30 sec is huge u cant use it maximum of attacking round.
Csn you put that wall up on the spam plant location on abyss. And does it push them off the map when the go to defuse it's it does it completely broken
Completely block off a choke if someone is there, no range restriction, breach flash that can recharge AND GIVES INFO if no info just do it again they won't shoot it at slow field that u can use for bomb and all the abilities work with each other on defence perfectly. This character only doesn't have a movement ability what can't it do
How would slow field ever be useful for bomb? I guess maybe in a 1v1 or if the defuser is trying to clutch but they can just stick because the slow only does damage if you move. Vyse seems very strong for now but I need you to explain this because that just made no sense to me.
@@koshibreeze9563 what are you talking about any Molly combined and they can't do the only play aspas knows to do which is tap and leave to catch a peek.
@@17pdietcoke59 So that’s what you meant by “for bomb” gotcha. Although, you can still do the tap and leave play, the slow is very minor and when compared to Sage’s slow orb does barely anything (unless you are low HP and in that case that becomes insanely strong).
This is truly the valorant of a thinking man
It's about time we got a sentinel who can rival Killjoy / Cypher
due to her flash i feel like theyll play her alongside one of them on some maps
Shes not gonna rival them
Nah kj and cypher are on different category
Map info still belongs to those two
If anything she'd be in a double senti comp providing extra defence on the defenders side while functioning as we have breach at home on attackers
@@Dorkster81 she's going to work with em
Stop thinking about valorant and start oiling up man's valorant!!!!!
I support this
YES
Oiled up mans Valorant 😋
meanwhile fades dogs are 250 and her tether is 200 🤣
Oh she will get a nerf on the costs don't worry mate
@@ShivamJalali while they’re at it decrease the cost of dogs to 200
Fade just needs to be pre nerf. Same with viper imo. And buff cloves ult back. Like some of these changes were over board. While you’re at it give Skye her third flash back but make it a full 60 second recharge.
@@Venomx-nb1jrskye is the only initiator with no recharging abilities, riot nerf her hard
@@柯博文-y4lBecause she was dominating the pick rates for initiators
TMV being wrong with first impressions? who would’ve guessed.
Is thinking man really thinking if no thinking is being done
@@potatoaim1116but the thinking man is thinking that thinking is valorant😊
@@zachdied Sanest TMV Enjoyer
I agree
They're giving her just 20 seconds cooldown for flash and Skye doesn't even get a recharge on her flash. #JusticeforSkye
I KNOW THIS MAKES ME SO MAD
Agree to this
@@riyoo4300play this character instead! :D
Fr how does a sentinel have a better flash than an initiator?
@@speedforce8970 because she’s cooler looking. It makes sense.
honestly even from the very start it was clear as day it was absolutely cracked.
maybe not broken because the ult is undeniably not one of the best but her overall kit is nuts(especially the flash)
What?! That ult is pretty good
@@emmanueltheorb in comparison to other 8-ult orb ults it doesn't nearly have the same potential. Even in comparison with the other 8 orb sentinel(kj), it doesn't bring as much lockdown potential, since classics would still be much much better than forcing them out of circle.
yeah, a global trip/insane isolating tool, a rechargeable info flash, and 2 mollies which has the same trajectory of the most broken mollies in the game.
Yeah, even if they reduce the ult's duration, Vyse would still replace a few agents in some comps.
The ultimate sure was great but you can't use it every round meanwhile her other kit was super efficient as hell 500 costs for full kit and every utility had value?it's definitely great@@emmanueltheorb
@@aryanbanda5800 Well in my opinion its way better to push a Classic than an Operator on attack lol, the ult has amazing value for retakes too if you pair it accordingly with the team
This is the definition of a flex id feel,between senti and init
her arc rose is literally a breach flash + skye flash + cypher cam
Alright it’s not all that but it’s good
@@twoshu8940 it has essentially the same stats as all those stuff i mentioned, skye flash as in her ability to give info when flashing an opponent, breach flash as in able to flash thru walls, cypher cam as in ability to place in weird spots and reusable
>when everything was much cheaper
lmao even utils arent safe from inflation
you need to retract that statement and the video you made about how heretics going to beat edg
Perfect fucking Jinx, everyone called it. Masterclass by the biggest EDG Hidden Fan TMV
dude's a EDG fan and a believer since the start of playoffs lol
think about this in a post plant as attacker and just holding an angle that you know where the last person is and the second they peek you just pop your flash, this is an unreal ability
7:29 being able to pick up without in vision is just too safe ngl
What about killjoy alarmbot and turret. You can pick them from anywhere on map.
I predicted that the Shear was gonna cost 200 credits, since it is common place among Sentinels with traps to be able to at least buy the trap and one charge of your other ability, so you can combo them together on pistol round, while also having enough credits for light armor. I am however a bit suprised that Razorvines only cost 150 credits, because every Sentinel other than Sage and Chamber have a total ability cost of 600, but I guess it's because it isn't as good used aggressively as a Nanoswarm or Cyber Cage.
More credits can be invested in guns so they can be more aggressive in think
I think she can be paired really well with a breach. Combos like razorvine + aftershock, arc rose+ flashpoint at the same part so if you look away you get flashed a little later by the rose and if you break the rose the flashpoint flashes you, rolling thunder + steel garden.
Breach goes well with anyone in general. But I think she'll replace Breach in some comps like Haven. Imagine double controller, Sova/Fade, movement and Vyse. You get scanned while getting flashed, through smokes.
You better have a strong retake comp. Thankfully people are getting smarter and realizing that a sentinel is about passive map control and not always about shutting down a push.
that's what i was thinking, duelist dashes in, shear seperates them and breach stuns for a free first blood, breach could stun off the razorvine as you can't dodge it in time, then you farm
This looks like a perfect agent for fast flood retakes. You let them on the site and keep them there, with your team ready to fast flood.
It's an interesting twist on "holding space" where while you're not physically stopping them from getting on, but you're still holding "control" of the space. Great agent design imo
The threat of the ult in retakes is ridiculous. There’s the situation you described and then there’s the situation where you’re attacking and take the site and then can just hold the space with the ultimate, if they try to retake, ult and you get a huge advantage in the fights.
Could be a case where you buy frenzys as a team when her ult is up.
@@Venomx-nb1jrI’ve been thinking that. I think sidearms are gonna become a lot more important when she has ult.
@@z34567890123456 kj ult is stronger in that sense, its not even close, i think they're both somewhat similar with kj ult being better but only slightly because it detains
As soon as I saw the price of her kit I thought "they're definitely nerfing this first"
U could also use the wall for stall on post - put it on a wall which also covers bomb and pushes them off + stalls for however long it lasts
careful with that. if you mess it up, they get free defuse and you lose the round because of it
@@brokemage1395yeah that makes no sense as they would just keep walking forward
@@SahiPie wdym if u place it right then u cant mess it up
he needs to retract the statement about th winning champs EDG FOREVER
that wall is 100% gonna be the most useful, and that flash is the most annoying
imagine vyse x cypher teams where you might have lower attacking power but both your defense sites will be absolutely stacked
vyse vines and harbor ult would be good on attack side execute, add a gekko molly for extra pain, maybe think of the vines like a grav net, cuz it basically forces the enemies not to move whie in it
theres no way that this agent is actualy this balanced and strong at the same time I love it. Like thr flash gives really good value and has a low cooldown but you can counter that by destroying the flash and making the cd longer
Even if u broke the flash u still are revealing yourself to the enemy
Meanwhile chamber : 💀
I have been thinking the same lol. I thought of a couple buffs that I think would actually be fair and could help him though. 1.) make it so the trip can be placed on vertical surfaces. This will definitely increase the number of times it works but will make him more formidable in holding a site. 2,) Increase headhunter ads zoom to like 3x instead of 1.5x, so as to give ads with it more use case. And 3.) in conjunction with #2, an ads hs with the headhunter should make a slow field, shorter in duration than ult or trip slow field, on their dead body. Giving reason to use his headhunter even on full buy rounds an allowing him to have better rush stopping potential which all other sentinels have to varying degrees.
@@ArchDude17 wow, that's a bronze take if i ever saw one.
@NikolaBlahBlahh lol okay mister pro league I'm D3. And I understand it needs tweaks but let's be honest in that Chamber has little in terms of team util and I think that doing something to change that would be a step in the right direction
@@ArchDude17you’re the d3 I don’t want in my team mate
@@ArchDude17 what about
Reverting his trademark ability to being to operate rangeless again and not deactivate after a certain distance
Reverting how noisy his trademark ability is whilst being placed, so it is actually quieter again and not so obvious to hear, undoing the patch where his trademark was made louder
If chamber's rendezvous gets broken, allow it to regenerate instead of being unusable for the whole round, and require a regeneration of time of 30 seconds to come back to usable ability again
If chamber's rendezvous is recalled, change it from a 30 second to 20 second cooldown to be able to be reused again so it can be used more throughout the round.
Make the stability curve on the headhunter slightly better again to reward daring plays on eco or thrifty rounds as the headhunter sees reduced use after pistol, thrifty or eco rounds apart from when Chamber is using an operator.
they shortened the flash duration in comparison to the first trailer
Handsome ginger chap
rizzing mans valorant
You can jump over the Shear wall
So, Jett can cross without triggering the wall/trip
I dont think that's what he meant
I think he meant you can updraft over it if your team triggers it
@@0ussama01 clips.twitch.tv/RockySuspiciousPeanutEagleEye-cJl4R6vPmym01GnX
You can see Grim crossing the Shear wall line without triggering it
Razor thorn has one glaring problem. You can strafe in it without taking damage and even stand still meaning you have no reason to get out of it. Also the flash is easy to see from a mid range, once people know the locations of where it is its going to be as useful as cypher trips good against people who dont know
that is where you want to comba the razorvine with, remember every util isnt meant to be used alone
just imagine youre being rushed and you get caught in the razorvine, you are gonna be moving or gamble that you can get a pick before you ultimately die
imagine you get caught in a razorvine and a flash hits you, you def dont want to just stand still and hope to god your random spray hits someone
and especially you dont want to just stand still when youre in a razorvine with a molly
the util combo with razorvine is where i see that it has its best value
The 20sec cooldown really giving me the old overpowered chamber vibes
Imagine if the ult was instead a visible pool that you can enter/re-enter and it still disables primaries, its just it doesn't just affect surrounding players, but any upcoming players
bro was not actually paying attention to the initial trailer
Double sentinel is about to go crazy, maybe even trip sent with this girl’s flash
When I saw the razorvine I thought about using it as a one way to peek behind it
Initially I thought this character was bad due to lack of information but that flash info is indeed useful.
dunno about vyse until now then I thought the title is "I Was SO WRONG About Vyself!"
Close enough. Welcome back old Skye flash
i think her release after the double sentinel teamcomps we been seeing recently might be crazy
I'm so proud of the valorant devs, they've finally brought us a good agent for ranked AND pro play.
this wall on the jumps on abyss will be soo good
the wall is bad, you have to be able to pop it and wait for a cooldown to pop it again
Deadlock will once again be forever forgotten
Seems strong. Nerf chamber
I feel like the flash is gonna get shot out pretty easily if you try to use it like a breach flash while attacking. It feels like she is going to end up more like deadlock for attack where you try to set up some sort of trap for the retakers
I made a comment somewhere saying that this agent would be overlooked, im scared i might have to put my phone on silent now
i def feel like their going to bring Double-Sentinel to some maps and may even have Deadlock/Vyse instead of Cypher. It would be very interesting.
sonic sensor paired with the sheer is evil work. sheer + deadlock ult could also be good, if activated just bounce it off a wall and their teammates cant shoot them out
inflation hittin hard in the val economy
i was expecting shear to be 300-400. not anymore not any less. 200 is crazt
She can make slowpushes less viable due to her wall and can get rid of odins, shotguns, and snipers, the character we needed
Double sentinels comp are gonna be new meta
This is our first official two way sentinel. I know deadlock kind of is but this honey right here can flex initiator quite well. I don’t think it’s going to be quite as annoying as deadlock and sage together but it might be close.
I think it's time for double sentinal comps
we got duelist like smokes so now we got duelist like sentinel my kind of playstyle
Your best use for the ult on attack is to use it when your team is on an eco everyone half buys or buys Ghosts/Sheriffs Vyse ults a site get 2-3 kills and now your team has rifles to defend the bomb with.
breach and yvse on attack with enemy aggressive def side would be crazy
I would feel like gekko and vyse would work so well together on attack especially with their ult combo. Almost a guarantee gekko detain
I believe Vyse is riot's attempt to start anti-dive duelist meta in pro play.
The price allows for one of every ability (except ult ofc)+ frenzy on pistols...
Vyse is actually just a recon initiator for defense, it’s crazy
No post plant for vyse because the molly don’t do damages if you are not mooving
I expect wall to go up to 400 like Sage's and slow to also be 200 each. If im not mistaken I thought every full ability loadout was supposed to cost 800
the lame thing about her is that the razorvine should be considered as a slow, not a molly. If I understood correctly, it only does damage IF you walk, if ur standing still it cant damage you. So you cannot clear angles just because you threw a razorvine there. Also it has almost no postplant value since throwing it on the spike wont interrupt the defuse since the defuser...is standing still.
Now I do like how the vinea produce sound if people walk through it which makes me think vyse is more focused on info gathering rather than actualy pushing people off of angles.
These mostly apply for attack
C is not doing damage if you dont move. So its useless for post plant lineups
this might be the best on launch agent theyve released except maybe chamber
Why is flash such a big deal? With cypher cam you can watch certain area entire time.
Next Video: I was so wrong about EDG vs TH
All these new crazy agents, while Brim still doesnt hv rechargeable smoke :,)
If TH used this agent TMVs prediction would have been true
That knife is sick af!
mean while Sage costs 800 to full buy.
Combine KO and Vyse ult. And opponents have to fight you with classics.
I know that every agent release ppl say ‘broken’, but this character is 1000% going to cause problems, like peak chamber meta problems
I think that Riot is going for the philosophy that it's easier to nerf a powerful agent to make them balanced than buffing a weak one until they are viable. There is no way that vyse stays this strong for long.
So what if I just drop my primary before the ultimate pops and then pick it back up 😅
My only question about the Q ability is would you be able to trip it if you say omen tp across it? Or chamber tp? If it alerts you it beats most sentinel utility in the game tbh
Double senti meta here we come
ngl, I thought vyse's ultimate was the size of harbor's ult, not double that :0
thx for the jinx TMV LOVE YOU!!!!
We need two trips for chamber and increase the range of tp or not but two trips can help a lot. I mean as a sentinel chamber cant hold a site even you get a kill you have to tp back cause maximum time in high rank people always there for trade. So if rhey give two trip you can get massive help. Otherwise give a buff when we retrieve the trip can use it instantly. That also help a lot. Some people will say increase the range so let me tell you something the range is just perfect. The range is good enough to get away from dangerous situation. But yeah the cooldown is so fucking long 30 sec is huge u cant use it maximum of attacking round.
This agent gives me annihilation vibes, like the movie
If you don't move in wine then u won't get damage
teams gotta buy sheriff & vandal now gg
bro talking about inflation in valorant
Definitely a hybrid Pic
razorvine takes two shots to be destroyed
Is the voiceline triggered by flashing an enemy also not restricted by range?
Csn you put that wall up on the spam plant location on abyss. And does it push them off the map when the go to defuse it's it does it completely broken
The cheap cost and the short cooldown have to be oversights right? RIGHT?
and now chamber needs yoru level rework...
Is the wall like a cypher trip or a deadlock sensor? In terms of sound cue
If you mean visibility then it’s more like a cypher trip. When you get up close to it, you can see the mark and hear and a constant sound.
@@-ValorantProVODs so if an enemy shift walks over it then will it trigger?
@@devanshtrivedi6245 yes
Yh
@@devanshtrivedi6245 yeah it justs detects the players/clone it doesn't need noise so it can hold flank
This senti is going to be sooooo fun to play 🤣
Vyse ult makes Breach ult extremely overpowered
Why?
Vyse is going to be op in teleporters
inflation hasn’t hit Vyse hahaha
I give it about 2-3 weeks before they realise this shits too broken and nerf her into the ground
I seen a clip where abilities don't trigger the wall
It's a bug if you clone doesn't set it off
so basically Vyse is a Initiator in guise of Sentinel how Clove is Duelist in guise of Controller 🤔 man when will agent banning in valorant be added?
So Viper and Skye had a baby, and they called it a sentinel 👍
What if you place the shear after you plant "on the spike"? Enemies should not be able to defuse no?
Is there a sound cue when the ult hits someone?
Completely block off a choke if someone is there, no range restriction, breach flash that can recharge AND GIVES INFO if no info just do it again they won't shoot it at slow field that u can use for bomb and all the abilities work with each other on defence perfectly. This character only doesn't have a movement ability what can't it do
How would slow field ever be useful for bomb? I guess maybe in a 1v1 or if the defuser is trying to clutch but they can just stick because the slow only does damage if you move. Vyse seems very strong for now but I need you to explain this because that just made no sense to me.
@@koshibreeze9563 what are you talking about any Molly combined and they can't do the only play aspas knows to do which is tap and leave to catch a peek.
@@17pdietcoke59 So that’s what you meant by “for bomb” gotcha. Although, you can still do the tap and leave play, the slow is very minor and when compared to Sage’s slow orb does barely anything (unless you are low HP and in that case that becomes insanely strong).