My Secret to Choosing the BEST Wild Camping Tent
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Thanks for the kind words.
- Dan
Thanks for watching Dan. Keep up with the great innovation
I love the down to earth straightforward nature of your videos. You don't get bogged down in too many technical details but focus on the issues that really matter.
I think I'm pretty fit for a 71yr old but my stamina and flexibility is not what it was. What I needed was a lightweight tent that I could sit up in and get in and out of reasonably comfortably. For me that is the Durston Xmid 1P solid. I use it for 3 season and winter in mild conditions though I have been out in it in 35mph winds and unforecast overnight snow. I'm not sure why i would ever change unless it breaks. I do also have a Big Sky Chinook (bought in a sale - would never pay full price!) which I use in winter if the weather is expected to be worse. Good Video Paul.
Awesome mate, as for Durston, just started using the 1P solid, very happy so far.
Don’t underestimate the importance of your bread and butter videos. You do it so well and better than most. No ego. Sometimes all I want before sleep is your walk n talk, your pitch-up, a few lovely sunset vistas and to see how you’re cooking your supper. Less can be more. 👌
I have the XMid 1 and I love it! Dan seems like a great guy and I feel like if anything happens that he wld be there to help ya out. I’m thinking abt getting the XMid 2 or the pro version. Great video!😀
i bough oex phoxx 1 v2 because it was cheap and light and small. after a single hike i realised small is not good. so i bought a nature hike cloud peak. twice as heavy. 4 times as much volume inside. very happy with it so far, i like being able to change from wet clothes inside the tent. in a couple of years i plan to move on to X-mid one.
I've got 5 tents....the XMid solid 2P is by far my favorite! I use it 2 weeks out of the year on 120 mile section hikes of the Appalachian Trail! It's the most comfortable homey tent I've ever used! It does great in windy and rainy conditions.❤
Robens wind testing doesn't mean a thing. Had one of their 3 season tents tested to 189kph wind and it failed on my in wind that wasn't strong enough to knock me off balance (estimate it was 60kph or so). Long story short, they said in an email "a tent used in strong winds will void the warranty". So it's all well and good them boasting about the wind tests, but pretty useless if it makes the warranty redundant.
That first tent looks exactly like my Tarptent Rainbow. What I like the most of it is that I don’t rub my head in cold condensation when I wake up!😊
Problem with the trekking pole tent is when you break a trekking pole. I slipped on a boulder and snapped a trekking pole. Luckily I was using a Lanshan 1 so I only needed one trekking pole. If I had a tent that required two trekking poles I would have been in trouble.
I imported to the uk a xmid2 + z-flicks (no pegs, using groundhogs) last month for £274. £16 postage is very reasonable and £64 at customs 18% VAT +1.75% duty and a flat £8 handling fee. So £354 all in. Pitched it in a rain storm on the moors for my first outing which was interesting to say the least. Woke up warm and dry.
Terra nova pioneer 2 can’t go wrong on price at minute perfect for all seasons.
I've just purchased that tent for motorcycle camping, it's probably overkill for what I need but it provides me peace of mind. £350 including the ground sheet, I can't complain.
Thanks Paul, I struggle to see the differences/advantages of one tent over another and stuff like this is great for adjusting my mindset to ask myself the right questions.
Many thx for this :) I really prefer the ´ Wechsel Bella ´ ( expect cold / bad weather or longer Distance / very fast pitch due to external linkage ) by approx. 1.5 kg all in or the ´ Tarptent Preamble ´ ( good weather & short trips / add. DIY-sew on (food-)print - pitch ´ in one ´ with 2 poles - ready ! :) ) by approx. 750 Gr. all in only. All have a good time there in nature !
I'm currently on my own tent buying journey. And while I did A LOT of camping (basically wild camping for 2-4 weeks by the sea side every single year since I was 2 until I was 20, through sunshine, wind, and massive thunderstorms that would level every other tent on the beach), technology has moved so fast lately that a lot of what I'm used to no longer applies. And this video is really helpful, to be honest.
Me, I'm used to those 4 people igloo tents. They're on the heavy side, build quality is ok. People knock them cause they leak, but as long as the outer is properly stretched and not in contact with the inner, it doesn't matter.
I love my Wild Country Helm Compact 2, took me ages to finally settle on choosing it. Thinking of a 4 season inner Lanshan 2 pro next. It’s so hard to just have 1 tent, variety keeps the hobby fresh.
Thanks Paul for another good video. I like your approach of maximum research, though saying that, i have done more research than actual camping. 😂. Like everything else, it's a long series of compromises. For wild camping and cycle camping I came up with the MSR Elixir 1 for maximum space, sturdiness and good vestibule, quick and easy set up and all round versatility, though not the lightest. For motorcycle camping, and a long stay at a campsite, the Vango Omega 350, offering the luxury of extra space and a large porch area when it's wet outside, and room for all my gear.
It’s #2 for me
I’ve got the XMid 1 (Solid inner version), so easy to pitch after a long day and I love the extra door. Another cracking tent I have is the Helm Compact 1, as you mention great for moving about in tight pitches and better on the budget, I wonder who recommended that to me.
Can you please review the Vango f10 helium ul1 or 2, there seems to be a very limited amount of reviews on it. Love your videos by the way. 😊
I have the F10 Helium 1. It is the older version. The newere one has shorter pole sections for bike packing.
It is a great wee tent and I have used it year round. A bit flappy in the wind but stable due to the TBS I also have the X-mid 2 solid which weighs the same as my Helium so I tend to use the X-mid more for space.
However, if I need a tent that will fit on a tight small pitch in awful weather then I take the helium.
Once I'm up and about walking again, I'll do a review of the Helium, the X-mid, the Cobra 3 and some others. That won't be until next year though
All great tents I can’t afford 😉
I'm 1m94 so I need a 2p. Settled for naturehike mongar 2 as my "lightweight" within my budget. Served me well over the years
Great comparison video
I've gone for the Durston X mid pro 2 for multi day trails mainly using campsites, had to pay vat on it but no import so worked out a quid a gram.
I'd say the slightly heavier one you have isn't worth upgrading it's so similar, may as well just look to save few hundred grams off other gear in the pack - don't tek a punk IPA , job done 🤣 Brilliant tents , so clever in the design
I agree! ...but if you don't have any gear left to shave weight off, then an instant 300g drop from the 1P Solid to the 1P Pro is massive and may be worth the cost to many people! In the end it all depends what you want/need to do with your gear and how much you want to pay to do it!
The cost vs performance ratio tends to lean more and more towards performance the more you use the gear. For example, if I regularly go out for hikes of several weeks or longer at a time, an expensive DCF tent is worth the cost because of the weight savings and performance benefits that more than "pay me back" over multiple, back-to-back, 20-30 mile days. If I go car camping for 1-2 nights twice a year then I'm not going to care if the tent is heavy and bulky as long as it'll do the job and its cheap!
Yeh thats true, I'm at the start of my kit rationalisation tbh, my pack is a kilo empty so that's the next upgrade at some point
Or you could just lose a few hundred grams off the tummy - cheaper and healthier - and save yourself the extra cost of the Pro!
The best tent in the world is the X-Mid solid 1, its really a 4 season tent if you carry 14 pegs. It sheds snow better than all other trekking pole tents. Its the lightest double walled tent on the market that has this much head space and can fit a tall and wide sleeping pad. It packs down even smaller than the pro version. Also pro version has condensation to deal with, solid doesn't have condensation issues and costs half as much. In warmer weather you can use the "Further variation" pitch to get max ventilation, and the solid inner means you don't get sand flying into the inner tent when you are in the desert. And it can be pitched in a dozen different configurations to meet the conditions, like skinny pitch for if you have no room to pitch it, or using the "Big rock Small rock" method when you have no ground to push your stakes into. Comes factory seam sealed, made in the highest quality (same factory that is used by Arc'teryx). All that for under a kilo and under $270, its just the best darn tent ever.
Bit overkill for the uk
@@user-gf4sn7jb4zYeah, bit overkill for my back garden
Mate, there is such a thing as the perfect tent. Its called the Anaris! :-0 I think its down to which tent ticks all your boxes. The Anaris does for me.
Great to see the Bobcat being featured. Love mine.
Wise words and sound advice, Paul.
Horses for courses, but I love my Southern Cross 2. The space, ease of pitching, robustness, and dependability more than outweigh the extra weight over a 1 person tent.
At the end of a long day's hike I know I've got a veritable castle against the elements which feels positively palatial inside.
A good night's sleep is guaranteed. 😴
Great advice Paul. Simple and to the point.
I'd say the best tent out there is the best one within your own budget. Do lots of research and 9 times out of 10 you won't go far wrong.
I went for the original Bobcat for if I just need somewhere to kip, and the Cloud Up 2 for when I want a bit more space.
Both great tents that won't break the bank.
I bought a Vango Beta 350 tunnel tent 2024 a couple or three weeks ago, for me and the dog, for a campsite hiking South West Coast Path , using a car to get to camp site. £175 from my local independent store SK Camping Godstone
I love this tent, it’s about my fourth or fifth Vango, British company🎉.
You can easily sit in a camping chair in the porch area, it’s about 140cm high, in fact easily enough for 2 chairs.
I had an epic 8 day holiday with my rescue dog, don’t think he had seen a beach or the sea before, but he’s good at rock scrambles😂
I have a tiny mountain tent Vango too….the others got over the lifetime and so don’t have them anymore.
The “blackout bedroom” works, but I can see would be very hot on nights like tonight, it’s a very fine mesh
The UV kills tents, I won’t spend a fortune on a tent
You explained it clear and simply , best possible way . Have you thought of doing adverts , tv, radio ??
I was researching for months which tent to buy. Went through like 5 decisions and then realized they were wrong. I wanted to buy 1 "do it all tent", but the problem was that I'm tall and can't fit in like 90% of tents that are available in my country, and not many tents are available here. Then I was finding ways to import tents but still, fitting problem remained. After realizing that no budget tent will do it all, I was even ready to buy 500-600$ tent, but if I was going to do it, it had to tick all the boxes. There were some candidates but none of them was perfect so I couldn't justify the cost and hassle to import them. I was torn between trekking pole and freestanding options. At that point I said: "Wait, none of them are perfect because you have 2 different needs". I realized that sometimes I'm going to do some backpacking, and sometimes I'll setup a base camp and chill, or take hikes from the base without dismantling the camp. So I dropped the idea of getting a "do it all tent", and got two tents. Durston Xmid 1 for backpacking and Naturehike Star River 2 for setting up base camp. And they both cost less than 1 premium, almost perfect tent. This is the way I can always have a perfect tent for my needs. If I ever decide to camp in the winter, I'll get a 4 season tent and that's it.
Agreed. I went from owning 1 tent I was constantly buying/selling to owning 2 tents and stopped hunting perfection. I have 1 summer tent and 1 non-summer tent. My summer tent is a single skin for plenty of space while resting and avoiding flying insects, and the other is a 2-wall for keeping condensation away and warmer.
Great video Paul. You cover pretty much cover everything. I have 2. I have a scarp 1 for winter and I use an MLD trailstar for pretty much everything else, including winter! Just love its space and that’s its bombproof. I know it’s really a tarp but you can get inner nests and a door if you want. All the very best. Steve.
Hi Paul
I just do budget but in my eyes quality
I have Vango Nevis for 3 seasons and Vango Hydra which in my eyes is 4 seasons which is semi geodesic
They’re not the lightest but I love them
I completely agree with carrying the weight issues
It’s not a massive difference for saving ounces but enjoying the experience and your tent of choice
Regards Jeff
My modified TN Laser Compact AS is my perfect tent, but I use my X-mid for 90% camps
As a belt and braces exercise i opted for 2 nights in a £200 tent in a Premiere Inn but for 2 people in a 1 person tent it was cramped .so one of us used the tent in the room whilst the other used the room.Of course we considered the options - was it better if we spent £400 for 4 nights in a 1 person tent without using the Premiere inn at all,although staying in close proximity to it which gave us the option of one of saving £200 by cutting the tent in half and selling it to the other person who could sell it on to the Premiere Inn and use the proceeds to have a room for 2 nights or offer £ 200 for 4 half nights who could then sell a half share of the room which meant the other other person wouldn't need to buy a tent in the first place and just stay at the Premiere Inn ? I like perfection so i don't like the saying " There's no such thing as a perfect tent " rather opting for imperfection by saying " If you like sayings that embrace perfection but you find perfection in imperfection - that's perfect ! " I know Paul is perefect - in fact if he were chocolate - he'd eat himself.Perfect.
Great class Paul! I got a lot out of your knowledge buddy! Thanks!😊
My thinking was this... I dont want to camp in cold conditions (not intentionally at least), I want something lightweight and I want something cheap. I chose the Lanshan 1 (not the pro) which ticked all the boxes for me. I figured for my first tent I dont want to spend a fortune only to find that a) I dont like the tent, b) I dont like camping! haha. Ive only camped 1 night with it so far but I enjoyed myself and was happy with the tent. Hoping to get a few more nights in before the weather changes, then possibly try some warmer climates in the winter months.
Good vid. You left out hammocks. That's for another one. All good points. Lots of choices for all different people conditions about every parameter you can imagine. Just get out there. Next time
The oex looks like the single hoop vango and also an old saunders. They all suffered in high winds with the hoops bending something terrible. A sort of hybrid tunnel ridge design.
The southern cross has always been one Id like to own for the winter but I dont really do much snow camping. Well there isnt much snow any more😂 and Im getting on a bit. They used to have a rep for condensation but I believe that has been addressed.
The xmid. Yeah. Love my xmid 2 solid.
Durston now has the option to purchase both mesh and solid inners to cover any weather conditions. In my opinion, the Xmid is the best overall tent on the market.🎉
Been looking at pulling the trigger on the 1p ultralight
A solid inner does not turn it into a 4 season tent.
Thanks for this informative video Paul. All the best to you.
I bought the Durston X mid 1p for longer through hikes , I soo wanted to love it but the bathtub leaked when I was on the Cape Wrath Trail, they did send another inner tent straight away. I suppose it’s a love hate relationship , love the weight and ease of pitch but do not like the tent ! 🤷♂️
Excellent vid.
I need to be able to sit up straight in my tents. It's really uncomfortable being hunched over for long periods at a time. As I get closer to 60 year old, most of my camping is now low level stuff, sort of stealth camping or even proper campsites to use as a base for hiking.
Just like Stella Artois, Hilleberg tents are re-assuringly expensive, not ridiculously expensive 😀
I have the issue of size as well. At 6’5” many tents are too small. That OEX is a great tent but no good for those over 6ft. I use a DCF tent.
Thanks
I've just pulled the trigger on a Vango F10 Nexus UL2.
I can't see myself spending more than £300 on a tent; after all, it's just fabric and poles.
Hopefully, it'll have many years of durability, but I wouldn't expect it to last a lifetime if I camped as often as you do.
Very useful information.
Height, use case, budget. At 6ft3, many tents without vertical inner wall sections are immediately out of consideration for me. Even if they have a 210 or 220cm length floor, with sloped walls and on an air mattress I can still be touching my head and feet on the inner. Anyone above 6ft1 or 6ft2 should check very carefully they will actually fit in a tent, and consider 2 person models instead of 1 person so they can sleep diagonally if needed.
well for me tent i would like is big for putting full bikepacking bags with in the main tent body and or put in vestibule ,so my bike is not still full of bags that if raining i have get out of tent to get wet bags so if think full bike set up 2 pinna's front bags bags on forks ,so its like 3 to 4 hiking gear , as far as know unless 3 person tent that can fit on to bike any way you want from handlebars to forks or on back ,with uk weather need 3 to 4 season ultralight ,....and that i like FORCLAZ
Dome Trekking Tent - 2 person - MT900 as not seen any tent that has attached vestibule so if ground dirty or wet my bags not going get wet i like to get this tent but there ground sheet is not available
I use a tarp tent stratospire Li for bike packing, I can get 4 panniers in one vestibule. I have a custom ground sheet that covers both vestibules. It’s not cheap but out of all my tents it’s the one I keep going back to when bike packing.
I'd point out that if you feel you NEED a four season tent then the balance is going to be your fitness.
If carrying the extra weight over a three season is a problem because you're out carrying it for miles in snow, drastically sub-zero conditions, and high winds then think about what you're hiking into and whether it's a good idea.
I don't need to sound negative but it's like if you're going to drive 200miles you don't put 200miles of fuel in, you need something in reserve. It's fine to push yourself but only do it when you've got an escape route.
Great advice Paul
Thanks!
Great video Paul.👍
Be carefully when camping on the beach!
Camping in la Palmier, France, a Belgian couple thought they found a nice flat spot
First it wasnt a part of the camping
The second 3 hours later spring tide came in!
They could swim ashore!
Needed to call the Coast Guard , because a caravan could be dangerous for fishing boats!
Always check the weatherforcast!
Tents are not designed for severe galeforce storms ( 9 / 10 Beaufort)
Good video 👍
I've been through so many tents, bought and returned because I just can't settle. My budget isn't great at around 250 I need space but also need it to be under 2 kilos....😂 Such frustrations.
In my opinion you can save on a tent,sleeping bag and gadgets... just keep the weight down. Biggest thing is what you sleep on, what backpack you have and what shoes you wear. Invest in a comfortable, light and warm sleeping mat, comfortable backpack and descent footwear. The rest doesnt matter much if its lightweight. Weight kills all the fun😅
Big Agnes copper spur bikepacking tent UL2. My number 1 tent at present
Hi Paul, what a great question what are you using tent for, I haven't been to Oxford or Cambridge but maybe the answer may be to sleeping overnight in it! 😂😂😂😂😂, cheers Mark!
and also usa tents like tarptent or deruston cant get cheap in uk unless real used
You just buy them all don't you Paul 😂❤
Thank you for great common sense advice. Light weight cost big bucks, why not travel a few less miles and really enjoy the journey.
Sound advice Paul, does make me laugh after 18 minutes of reiterating there is no perfect tent, folks in the comments saying what the best tents are 🤣
Nice video
Got charged £89.09 customs charges on Durston Xmid 2 solid. Bought ground sheet also. So with postage came in just under £300. Great. But £89 seem extortionate. Does anyone think this might be a mistake?
i'm not sure how they calculate all costs
What was the name of the 2nd tent?
where is the mesh? The first 2 tents remind me of my first tents from the 80's.
it must be a lot cooler in the UK!
It is and windy. US style mesh tents are cold over here.
@@BrokenBackMountains I dislike heat so much that sounds inviting to me! Must be my British heritage
Lots of us camp above tree line and it’s not uncommon to wake up in the clouds, mesh allows the moisture and water droplets to blow straight through the tent soaking everything inside. The Durston tents pitch very low which suits the uk weather and the solid inner makes sure it can handle the beautiful British mizzle that plagues our hills 👍
@@Joeb4iley Very true of course. I only mentioned the mesh because none of these tents have any. I have 7 or 8 tents, each one with a specific use in mind. If it’s going to be cold and wet, no mesh of course. It’s time to break out the solid bodies. Snow? Out comes one of my 2 fourth season specialty tents. Stay safe out there!
Did you give the names of the three tents? Did I miss it?
He didn't, you didn't miss it.
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Not a fan of the bobcat tent .
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