Is octopus farming sustainable? | Global Ideas
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2024
- The world's appetite for octopus is growing. Biologists in Mexico are trying to farm the sensitive and highly intelligent creatures using aquaculture. The goal is to protect wild populations from overfishing. But is it really ethical to farm them?
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A lot of people condemn this research because it's wrong to cause suffering to other animals, but the matter is not so simple, the real question is: What is worse, to farm the animal to create a market or to let intensive fishing and climate change decrease it's numbers until they are extinct. I know this feels very wrong, but despite what comments say most people won't stop eating a certain species because of the ethical implications, and with human population constantly growing we need to find strategies to at least mitigate our impact on other species.
Came for Ukraine news, stayed for the octopus
For the people who are complaining about this because "octopuses are smart" you better be against the farming of pork. Pigs are also extremely intelligent
I'm 100% against every form of animal agriculture, if most people had to kill the animals themselves they wouldn't.
They are also gross and not always very nice. Pigs will cannibalize each other.
@@yellowpinkgreengreen even octopi are known to practice cannibalism,read Dr Rosa's research paper
@@yellowpinkgreengreen so would humans if put in the same conditions...
Watched a pig eat it’s young and drink a cow’s fresh pool of urine after licking fecal matter off another pigs rear end, sounds like you need to spend more time around pigs friends.
“We’ve anthropomorphized the octopus…and that’s a problem” then immediately cuts to a shot of two ladies chopping up an octopus.
I hope his dream fails in impoverished disaster. He's a greedy man just hoping to make money off them.
>but he needs money
You think I am going to celebrate lion and rhino poachers too? Why not celebrate heroin dealers? He's got big dollar signs in his eyes and that's why he's doing it, because he hopes to make much higher profit margins off them than fish farming.
I really like the taste of Octupus, it is delicius when well prepared, and there are many dishes of mexican cuisine that are amazin. Nevertheless, I've read about Octopus intelligence, and it worries me that we are torturing a sentient species. Maybe there is a way to overcome this ethical dilemma.
There is a way. Don't eat them.
The sum is your sensory pleasure vs the life and suffering of another being.
Consider someone who gets pleasure from slitting the throats of dogs. Does their sensory pleasure justify doing such? I hope you'ld agree it does not. The same would apply to your dilema.
Hope this is helpful.
@@Daz19 Your comparison is flawed; doesn't matter what you eat, you are taking life to sustain yours. Just like the eagle, the bear or the dolphin, I feel no shame for taking the life of another being to sustain my own. I am a predator, as all my ancestors were. My dilemma is not about stopping being a predator; it is about finding ways to treat these animals well, before they meet their end. As intelligent as one may be, it doesn't matter what happens to one's corpse after death, be this serving as fertilizer to the ocean's bed, or nurturing the body of another being. But don't worry, vegan friends, next time I eat an Octopus, I'll think about you and put more salad on the side (;
@@eelsoirdor3573 It's not flawed. OP was arguing for taste pleasure not sustenance. But to address your argument, it appears you haven't considered necessity.
Those wild animals kill out of neccessity, to survive. Unless one is also in a survival situation it's not necessary to kill and eat other sentient beings, expecially not octopi.
Without necessity, taste and convenience are the common fall back reasons. In the context of OP's statement I was addressing taste as reason.
We come in the their world with our "ufo"(unidentified floating object)...and abduct them..study them, disect them, eat them...what do ailens do when abducting humans?
Jeez. They don’t like being farmed… go figure. This just makes me sad.
Leave them alone FFS.
I hope you're vegan or else your a hypocrite
We should farm the entire oceans instead of just overfishing. That’s my vision for the future
It's also something we could debate, I'm not 100% for one or the other. I do think, though, that IF real sustainable aquaculture existed it would be the solution.
Please watch the award-winning 🐙 MY OCTOPUS TEACHER 🐙 to learn about these amazing creatures and boycott octopus farming!
At this point we either farm them or overfish them.
I personally find it immoral to eat Octopus but there are literally whole countries of people consuming them in mass quantities and seeing nothing worng with it. Either we learn how to farm them or they will be gone forever
@@waterlily2743 : 🕵 I think we can certainly advocate for less consumption and sustainable wild-caught too because that also forces the public to meet catch quotas and to care for the ocean's health. Just like how we're now more informed about the destructive and cruel practices in factory farming vs organic, pasture raised eggs, milk, and meat animals. We absolutely cannot, should not transfer the cruelty and pollution of factory farming from land to sea now with octopus or any other sea animals.
Ringo Starr would love this docu.
I think he loves eating octopus
As with salmon, saving them in the wild is a good start.
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Saving in the wild includes creating infrastructure that makes wild fishing unnecessary.
Octopi are actually sentient. Watch the documentary about the man who befriended the octopus. It will definitely make you see them differently. I doubt they are happy in those tanks.
Are cows happy in a pen, or pigs in a sty?
Idk man… they’re pretty smart
Cows, pigs, goats?
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k yes but octopus are known to escape from enclosures much more than cows, pigs, goats. I think that this is a good idea but i do wonder if they will try to escape.
I actually feel so bad for them ugh
Who the octopi? You should feel bad for us, the less we know about them we more we cant help
Do you feel bad for sheep, cows, hens, goats etc?
@@ChrisPatrick-q6kyes. I feel bad for all of them. That's why I am vegetarian. Octopus are extremely intelligent. Though I would eat vegetarian in a restaurant even if it serves meat, I will NOT step foot into a restaurant that sells or serves Octopus.
@@KarePassionOk, feel bad then.
@ChrisPatrick-q6k OK. Thanks.
love it, i hope the octopus farm could grow even larger and the practice can be spread around the world and maybe someday people around the world could afford to eating octopus without harming the octopus population in the sea
I only read the title and I already knew this was a bad idea. Octopuses are highly intelligent creatures, you can't confine them to a farm. Besides, farmed fish/shrimp are known to have bad environmental impacts as is. Just protect their natural habitat and harvest them sustainably. If anything, release the farmed octupses back into the ocean to harvest later. And more importantly, stop eating so much octupus!
Don't slaughter them period. Look at the size of them anyway. One single large fish can feed a family, but a family size group of octopus can't feed a single person.
Idk putting something that smart in that situation is probably not the best idea
Pigs are very smart
Culture isn't excuse for immoral acts, nor is convenience or taste. What we are doing to these intelligent creatures is pretty grim.
It isn't his culture either so he doesn't have an excuse like that to use on moral relativizing white people. "Well it's his culture to eat dogs" so? Wasn't it the Southern USA Americans culture to keep slaves? Wouldn't it have been better to simply cultivate more slaves at home that way they won't keep overharvesting Africa? Do you guys now begin to see the problem with this type of twisted logic? What is objectively wrong is wrong, period.
I miss my Betty.. she was great.
I think we should have a scientific research project to develop an octopus species that has a life expectancy of 80 years. This way we can teach them to communicate and how to read and write, and play video games. They could become the dominant species of animal on our planet if they had a long life expectancy.
They would have the ability to record historical events, and develop technology, and form communication networks. Think about what we could learn about the oceans, and about how other animals think and learn, if we did this. Of course we would be risking the overthrowing of humans as the dominant species on earth, and they might put us in cages and bread us for food.
But why shouldn't they?
The far more interesting thing in my personal opinion would be to not only uplift as a matter of divine mandate multiple other species, but to seed worlds with such creatures, because I find it more highly unlikely to find a habitable atmospheric planet for humans than a planet we can easily reach "soonish" which can take oceanic lifeforms. I also think it needs be noted our planet didn't have atmospheric O2 until it was terraformed over hundreds of millions of years by microbes that basically farted enough oxygen into the atmosphere to overwhelm iron deposit sinks, promptly poisoning everything else because oxygen is highly cytotoxic and reactive.
Of course the other thing to note about oceanic life which I don't know why in their arrogance they never bring this up is the fact you DO have the ability to make fire in the oceans: it's called a thermal vent. Now you might not be able to do metallurgy in the same way as in an oxygenated atmosphere, but you can still cook food and work tools by just using one of those vents near tectonic activity. I think it's another curious thing this never gets mentioned because a primitive species could've done so at some point and left no trace of itself in the fossil record. The main problem, water is heavy af so simply being an ocean species in space would require huge amounts of mass, but I still think we should seed foreign sterile ocean worlds with earth life including octopus or cuttlefish. Of the two species groups though, cuttlefish may be the far better candidate for a pro-social species, as octopus tend to be much more spider-like in their lone predatory lifestyles whereas cuttlefish can be more prone to grouping up.
time to get off the internet mate 😂
Octopus are way smarter than most people who eat them 😢
xDD
So are cows and chickens. People are r3tarded
Better say what antibiotics, growth hormones and other chemicals u stuff those poor creatures with.
So they do not breed them captivity? They just catch already pregnant ones?
I think it is wrong to kill and eat octopus.
They are too intelligent for us to treat them like this.
Wonderful video about octopus 🐙 marine animal which used them for nutritional purposes for human...which also suffering from increasing climate change phenomena..nice Scientific video
I hope there’s a superior alien race that’ll treat us Ike that. Call me a treator.
I love this
Octopus are from a different planet, they are small individual aliens.
i've battled several Huge ones in AK .
This was an interesting and informative video. However, I find octopi to be way too intelligent to consume. It feels very wrong. Hopefully better understanding their environment will allow us to conserve them more, instead of eating them.
I can only accept this practice if it's only used locally for those residents and it's sustainable with the octopi's natural environment. This still feels kinda wrong tbh. Better than overexploitation in the wild tho.
NO TO FARMING THESE MAGNIFICENT ANIMALS!!!
Then say yes to extinction
They go extinct if not and some of them would be pet trade or studies
They must be farmed, and quickly
Are you vegan?
you would rather fishing continued?
fool
The small ones get stressed out easily because they are afraid you are going to eat them.
If you are against unnecessarily hurting animals then go vegan
Release 10 percent of the juveniles back into the ocean, as a mandate for farming them.
I hope this grows. Exploiting nature doesn't make it go away. That's why we still have cows and horses. We preserve what is useful while the useless, like the dodo or tasmanian tiger go extinct for not being very useful or able to adapt to human civilization.
In Hawaii I used to make "tako tacos". Here in Mexicali my wife says "Que Osco". But she loves that "manta" which is"Waka" to me.
Or, you know, don't eat them.
I ate one once. Never again. They are way too intelligent. Better to raise in captivity than take from the wild though. :'(
China's got octopus worldwide decimation on point. Hope someone figures out how to farm them before their gone.
China's spent years moving away from their Lychee and dog meat festival for a reason. I really don't distinguish all that sharply between this man and some Chinese peasant raising and slaughtering dogs for money, only one of the two is getting threatened with potential extinction in the longer term.
Heart breaking! Keeping intelligent lives just to eat them...
Reminds of "The Promised Neverland"
Please people, stop eating our fellow creatures❤️
They taste great
Then stop eating anything
Self righteousness is also known as narcissism. Just because you don't eat animals doesn't mean we can't. We just need to find more sustainable forms of it.
Animal lovers / people sign petitions (and even donate money!) towards stopping orca's and dolphins in concrete tanks yet happily pay to eat octopus and BILLIONS of other sentient creatures. The disconnect to what we do is VERY real!🙃😢
😘🐙🐕🐈&😘🐄🐖🐑🐣🐟
Leave the octopus alone!!! Horrible!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
octopus is my favorite animal. im not gonna say not to eat them but at this rate theyre gonna go extinct, which be such a shame. also farming octopuses in this manner seems awful considering how intelligent they are.
They have a pilk,.
If we only cared enough about them not eat them 😓
your dealing with creatures smarter then dogs . the question should be is it moral.
The Myja Octopus is a very pleasant species.
So let's raise them in captivity and slaughter them for human food.
Let's raise dog in captivity and slaughter for food too. Is much easier to keep, meat taste gamey, very sustainable.
Well I feel sorry for the species they’ll go extinct in our lifetime at this rate.
the C O C family
Its suatainabilty is irrelevant. It's cruel af.
Cruel and unnecessary.
Horrible idea octopus farming. It's like farming dogs for feeding. It's wrong, they
re sentient beings and some of my interactions with octopus in the sea are some of the most specials moments under water.
but dogs we interact with are all domesticated with decades of selective breeding for humans .
Octopus farming is very unhealthy for humans, I was shocked to find out how they are breeding them . They should never be allowed
Great story.
Yet,
Millions of seals destroying fish stocks such as crab and cod and yet no seal market. Manage the oceans seals to protect existing species. No one talks about the seal over population problem.
Bring back seal bashing
Need to bring back Codpeace from 1979
Lowkey, I like it.
Is it ethical to farm anything, answer is yes if you want food. Soylent green would be a poor option for the future.
Avacados, plantains, oranges, apples, pears, hazelnuts, almonds, sugar cane, wheat, barley, do you really want me to just go on? It's historically been the case that the peasantry i.e. your ancestors and like 99.9% of humanity didn't eat much meat. There's a reason why unlike the other great apes we've been evolving to have smaller and smaller canines and with more developed molars over the previous 12,000 years which was our switch to agriculture. Moreover the amount of resources it takes to raise a similar quantity of beef far outstrips a much larger amount of agricultural crops, causes far more pollution, and also causes more environmental destruction. They're literally burning the Amazon rainforest down right now to clear cut pastures to raise cattle.
And why are they doing this? Because they can make higher profit margins. The difference btw is a lot of species like say strawberries are *literally designed* to be eaten to spread them. So I'll ask again, why shouldn't we farm dog? It's much easier to keep and raise and has much higher profit margins.
Farm dogs, because soylent is a poor option for the future.
The meat sucks
There becoming endangered stop eating then.
How awful. Octopi are really intelligent. It's like killing a dolphin. 🤔🧐
Ughh, I hate the dubbings. Can' they just use subtitles?
Mexican power