Tekken 7 Lee Wall Combos and Okizeme Guide
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Though not exhaustive, this should cover all of the main options at the wall. There are subsets and nuances that I will add later if I do other videos on those parts (angle affecting oki to make things work that normally might not, character specifics, etc.).
Edit: Less than 12 hours after putting this video up, I found more...
... turns out, with a wall to the right, after 3~!3:4 (mist trap), u/b+3 is actually guaranteed now, too. This puts it far in the lead for damage. Here's what can happen off of it:
Stay down = 34 dmg, free f+3+4 (compact tech forces block)
Stand = 50 (u/b+3, d/f+4)
Wake up backward = 66 (u/b+3, d+4,N+4,u+3)
Any kick = 85 ([CH]u/b+3, 4,u+3, f+4,3, d+3)
For those who will inevitably ask about the notation (happens every video), please refer to the notation legend from Tekken Zaibatsu here: www.tekkenzaiba...
This channel is one of the best lee chaolan guides that i've ever seen. Thanks a lot senseiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)
I'm glad it helps. I'll keep adding things over time. Not always as fast as I want to, but it'll get up there.
Tekken is no longer a game, it's a science... Damn it's like you need a physics PhD to play this thing
To be fair, it's been like this at a decent level of play for a long time. Finding the best ways to scale risk/reward (this is why I miss Lee's old T6/BR oki--safety) or take a shot for a comeback when low on life or time (riskier, damaging oki) has been around for a while.
The good news it, there are other people labbing it and finding these things out now. Really, there always have been, but when I wrote stuff for T4, UA-cam wasn't really a thing. I don't know if my first concept combo videos from T4 even still exist today (when people were manually downloading on 56k). UA-cam certainly makes it a lot easier to spread information than before.
While not a sport in the physical sense, I think Tekken is both a game and a sport in the way that Baseball or anything else are also both game and sport. There are different levels they can all be played at, and you can be sure that people competing will look for as much knowledge as they can find. =)
Men I’m glad that I found u I’m lee main I’m at vanquisher now I thought I now everything about him and now I learned so
much More EXCELLENT
Thank you! I appreciate your kind words. =)
Those were some excellent set ups indeed. Nice discoveries. Let's bump up out excellence!
Yea, I hate when I find something that didn't make it in the video though, and in this case less than 12 hours after finishing the video and putting it up (wall to right, 3~3:4, u/b+3 is guaranteed... found this just hours after putting this up, lol... strongest option by far when wall to right). =P
Best Lee videos hands down! Big fan of your input over at TekkenZaibatsu too! Would love a video on overall strategy, how you approach different match ups, which ones you thing are strong/weak, etc
Perfectly complete and extremely useful. Thanks!
Thanks much! The point is for it to be useful, so I'm glad it is. =)
You just made my day I never knew I could combo again after getting up back 3 at the wall you know how many matches I could have one because of that good s*** man keep them coming
Wow I just wanted some Info on Lee but now I feel that I studied him xD these Videos are sick dude thx for the help
man i love your lee videos man, didnt realised i had been watching since ur lee exploration and it was all by the same person, i just subbed. hopefully we could see some of your Lee in real action ( rank matches ) hard to find lee streamer for reference.
If you see much play from me, it will as likely as not be tournament play. I am having trouble getting matches online since I live in Japan but have the English version of the game, and the default setting for language is not *any*. =[
If I have some friends/other players over, I might try recording or streaming then.
TZMurakumo no prob man. Its ok if its not tournemant plays. But can i get a tip? What if the opponents starts spamming 1,2,3. I cant manage to get out of their spam to counter their hits. Either i try to hit back with 1. Will still get hit by them, or do a armor move still gets interrupted. When i try to back dash or side step they always manages to catch up with me at their 2nd hit
thanks for the useful video, your 600th subscriber here :D
lol, I haven't really been paying attention to subscribers and views and such (I don't monetize anything), but hooray!?!?! That's good I guess? =D
Anyway, thanks for watching. Hope the videos help!
Man this is just so sick. Great vid!
You're a legend man, keep it up I hope you post more lee guides
I will... it will just take a bit of time between each one.
I really thank you for the tip
Howerver I found some error after wall oki when you ground-hit HMS 4, after the hit, u+b 3 can be followed, but at this moment when the opponent tries to wake up preesing back, after ub3 the opponent can techroll, much farther to either side than the video shows, and finally f 3+4 whiffs, which makes a great chance to lanuch to opponent, I think you must be cautious in this case :(
Yes, I found this is possible too (Sorry, the video is 9 months old already--was very early testing). They will spin differently though, so if you are good at watching for it, you can use it still when they won't roll too far. Otherwise, d/b+3+4 is probably a better option (some tracking, +4 on hit, -13 on block, hits grounded).
Thank you for the comment!! I really like your video, as my favorite is Lee, so those clips are really helpful to me
Would you consider making a video about HMS stance and when to cancel into it, as well as when you should use it.
Appreciated, really helps!
Needed this,i already know some wall Enders.but these set ups are nice.would it be too much for you to make a video on his hms,i'm having a little trouble blocking right after I go into hms,even though I'm cancelling it in to block.
Just because you cancel to HMS won't make stuff completely safe. In fact, sometimes it becomes less safe--it's really weird and depends on which move is canceled. For example, d+3 is -16, and d+3~4, [HMS] is -15, but FC,d/f+4 is -13, and FC,d/f+4~3 is -16 IIRC (gets a lot worse). Even with the HMS cancel this can be punished.
Are you going to do a Lee punishment guide? I am learning the character
Very helpful, thank you for this guide!
i want videos like this for my characters....this is really good!
What characters do you play? Honestly I don't know as much about other characters as Lee, but I've played at least some of the cast at some point in time (older Tekkens).
TZMurakumo Bryan and all the mishimas mostly
I don't play a lot of Bryan, but I'm thinking of playing Hei a little bit again. He had some issues in 7.0, but he looks pretty good in FR.
TZMurakumo yea Heihachi is fun in this game. His staple combo is hella fun....Ewgf ×2 f23 bf23 s! bf23
Great info. Much thanks
Hey man pls help, do you have any options for when people tech roll? I believe doing the wall combo into HMS is probably the best option for an oki but if they guess correctly i wont get damage. Instead of a guaranteed oki is there a way to actually hit or catch the opponent tech rolling?
There is wall tech catch stuff here:
ua-cam.com/video/K34KlYBOZ14/v-deo.html
It's pretty angle dependent though, and works easier at an angle but then requires adjustments for said angle. Overall, I wouldn't call it super consistent (hard to execute sometimes, too). The angle you get changes depending on the size of the opponent character, too, so all your follow-up combos vary depending on size class. You also have to sacrifice combo damage, and if they know the set-up they can see and just not tech.
Basically, oki 50/50's got really bad in this game. Lee's wall oki game in T6:BR was amazing. Now it's almost non existent.
If they tech out, step b+4~3, [HMS] and step d/b+3+4 are okay options. b+4 floors crouchers, safe on block. d/b+3+4 only -13 on block as a low, and plus on hit. Both have some tracking. Doesn't feel like amazing oki, but at least it's something.
If they like to spring kick into you after d+3, you can just block it and resplat on the wall.
Super useful thanks a lot bro :3.
Glad to be of help!
Samurai champloo! Awesome music good guide.
Great Lee Tutorials man, Keep it up!
Can you do a without walls okizeme tutorial?? because i know he also have it
Excellent~
I still miss his old oki games. =[
I also found out that, after trying that wall tech stuff before, that the frames on [BT] d+1 changed in this game by 1, lol, so WS+2,3 isn't even guaranteed after the jump over d+1 anymore (only if they hold D/B to turn, granted that gives a huge combo... i13 still hits). I've gotta redo that video. WS+3,3,d/f+3,3 hits, though, regardless of how they turn with B or D/B. I've actually found some anti-Lee specific stuff to shut down some of the oki games, but it's really specific and you have to know exactly what you're trying for (like those throw to turn without CH things). I'll show you next time you're out this way.
I think Kane's still gonna be in town when you get back. Murakumo apartment Tekken tournament 7? =D
We can have a stream and get us on commentary with discussion on who's nerfed more, Lee or Lili, then complain about Ling being obviously over-buff and Namco refusing to nerf her (or buff others).
TZMurakumo I need you to explain all that you said in English lol contact Kane and let's do that commentary!
Basically, WS+2,3 isn't guaranteed anymore off the tech catch, which makes me a sad Lee player.
TZMurakumo Care to elaborate on that a bit? Im trying that setup on myself and it seems that it is working. Am i doing something wrong and getting hit by that?
I tried to recreate it with me on the defending side instead of the computer. In prior Tekkens, you could turn but get hit by i14 after a jumpover d+1. Now it only guarantees i13 (if you're close enough, WS+1 hits). By holding straight back, it will not block the i14. If they turn with D/B, you still get the full juggle from behind.
Further, I found out that they can mash an attack in the tech and get CH by the low jab, which gives you move damage on the jab and large frame advantage, but no more follow-up and the wall behind you.
So the jump-over d+1 gives WS+3,3,d/f+3,3, but they can actually even weaken that by using a throw to turn. Throws aren't considered CH, and turn instantly, so if you know you're gonna take a hit, it's a good way to turn. This means WS+3,3 still hits, but then the continuation is only a guessing game.
The best now, then is if they tech up left. Because of the angle and the wall, the jump-over d+1 still guarantees WS+1 there (but not if they tech right). It's strange and on the side, so trying to CH to turn forward doesn't seem to work here, either. After the WS+1, f+3 series is guaranteed (WS+1 is like +9 or it looks like).
... because of the system changes and the things I THOUGHT I tested, but finding out the computer isn't exactly good for block testing, I will probably need to do a tech catch redux video.
What is the main wall carry combo you are doing in this video?
Hi mate, i don’t know if someone told you but you forgot 4,3..wait for it.. 4(hitting low) i think it’s the most damaging option but has no okizeme and you can push last 4 too late and lose the combo ^^
Yea, I learned about that hours after posting this video last year, lol. That along with, when there's a wall at right, after mist trap finish you can u/b+3 guaranteed (situational combo).
4,3>4 is the most guaranteed damage of a normal ender (by 1? 2?) after a carry. However, if your combo is starting on the wall, b+2~f,N, f+4,3, d+3 does more damage because of how the scaling works.
How long did take you to get Lee's wall carry combos down. I'm having a hard time.
I have been a Lee main since Tekken 4. The b+2 combos were introduced in BR, when came out when I was living in Korea in 2008-2009. It didn't take me that whole time to learn to b+2 combo, but it certainly helps me get back to it now (I basically didn't play TTT2 or T7 until FR came out with Lee in it again).
With a lot of time in practice, it shouldn't really take years. It's just all about making the b+2 timing muscle memory so you don't have to think about it once you've started.
OMG Thanks bro
NP, hope it helps!
does anyone know how to do Lee's reversal from hitman stance? I once saw it used in a tournament 😅
Basically just b+1+2 while in hitman.
TZMurakumo okay thankyou so much 🤗
Thank you so much! :)
Most welcome!
TZMurakumo Btw. How can I cancel HMS quickly? :)
good shit. thought about picking lee but his seemingly low dmg output put me off. maybe ill give him another go
Nice one buddy, ty
Sure thing!
they say the EWGFs are difficult .. ifind these b2 f n stuff 10x times harder lol but they are soooo rewarding when u nail them down *_* i'm gonna be EXCELLENT !!!
Amazing vid
Really like this video thanks for uploading!
Want more tips :)
Did this video not have music at some point?
I think UA-cam flagged it some years ago for copyright and forced me to use their software to remove it or something to keep the video listed. It originally had music and the hit effects were clearer.
... or maybe that was a different one, because track still appears at the end. I dunno, I'm confused, but it definitely wasn't like this. UA-cam went a little cray cray?
nice guide but why is the sound so messed up
This has been up a while (about 4.5 years). Anyway, it was a combination of me being new to Premiere, using clips recorded at different times (and apparently the recording program was using system volume), and also UA-cam removing the tracks that were used as music in it and *attempting* to normalize the non-track sounds.
What's this wonderful music ?
Nujabes
What is the name of this song
Listed at the end of the video: "Transcendence" by Nujabes on the Sampurai Champloo OST.
TZMurakumo wonderful combos vroooo
Samurai champloo beats
So... Why the hell did i watch this whole video when i got no intention of playing lee? lololol
EXERRENT !
Elegance!