Have been going to retreats, do daily sits (try to), listen to talks and all the rest of it for the past decade . It appears that the average person going about their daily lives is either clueless or way more sane than I am. This looking has shown me the utter mess that lies within. I am surprised I'm still breathing
Angelo, you graciously responded to one of my questions and another video comment section section. I don’t think that I articulated I was trying to say very well. What I was trying to say is more along the lines of what you’re talking about here. I went from Christian to atheist to “spiritual” and back to athiest before I heard you speak. You are to date the only person I’ve heard describe what I see. Thanks. My “issue” is that I can stand there and see the unknowable. The one truly ineffable “non-thing” and as soon as I see it, my mind rewrites its model of the universe to include it. I “know it’s unknowable” I see that it’s not in any way subject to language or thought. And again “I know it”. It’s so subtle it’s hard to language but the “knowing” is a step back. I can speak brilliantly on the subject. I’m sure you’d agree with everything I say. And it comes from insight. I know this because I had the initial non-dual experience as a skeptical athiest and with no exposure to “non-duality” as a subject matter. But it’s just a more and more inclusive belief system. I kinda know why. I’m the guy that “understands things on a deep level”. I mean as an identity. No matter how deep I go I end up summarizing it all into a tidy box of concepts. I even KNOW I AM DOING IT WHEN I AM DOING IT. The mind just sorta includes that into the box of concepts. I actively KNOW my model of reality is keeping me from seeing the territory. It feels impossible to stop. I mean, probably the answer is “keep practicing” and maybe I just want to feel validated. Probably. But it is very frustrating (imagine a thousand exclamation points) that the mind won’t stop building a model of reality for me to step comfortably back into. My question then is how to discard the “true” beliefs. Like “it is entirely non-conceptual” and “everything is merely being” and even “this very thought is arising from nothing, and appearing to nobody” etc. To be clear, I’m staring right at “it”. Believe me please. These are NOT others descriptions being repeated, any more than all language is that. Is there a process to step out of this cycle of “knowing” and into the unknown? I’ve always been averse to the one pointed approach. Are you gonna tell me, that’s exactly why? How do I stop my mind from “getting it”. Because I do know it cannot be “gotten”. I can “go there” nearly any time I choose. But as soon as I stop the effort, the mind backfills an “understanding” that fits nicely and I live in, and as, this understanding. It’s a rather uncomfortable place to be and getting more uncomfortable. Any help would be appreciated.
well, I am no Angelo lol but I just wanted to say that this post this comment rather resonates 100% with me. I am actually doing some ketamine infusion treatments right now due to some trauma whatever the story I won’t go into but anyway this keeps coming up in the infusion sessions. it’s like I can see so clearly and yes, I can see clearly a lot of the time in my normal life schedule. I can see so clearly that nothing is everything and everything is nothing and yet there is just something holding on and it’s exactly as you say it’s like still trying to make a model. I do not know how to get outside of that because I also can see there is no outside. It makes me wonder if I just have horrible OCD in this brain. And yes, it’s not me with OCD but could it just be the way this brain is wired??!I don’t know anything. I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate your comment. We certainly aren’t that special lol many many many people I think can relate.
@@katehiggins9940 I have a fair amount of Trauma too. I’ve been doing DIY Ketamine and MDMA therapy for a while. (Can’t afford the right way) and it has had a profound affect on me. I didn’t know how deep the well of pain was or just how packed it was. It’s like falling into the fires of hell. But it’s SO GOOD to let it out and let it go. I feel lighter after every session.
By the way, thank you so much for you being you and for addressing this. I think this has been at the top of many many many peoples awareness right now. At least it has been here!
Listening again for 4th time ....yes, I now see & admit it is this constant re-assurance of my existence & now beginning to also see the subtle, almost unconscious thoughts that keep it all in place. Every time you say 9.13min "FIERCE GRACE COMES ALONG "....I can feel cold shivers & nausea arising ...😮
This has been one of the problems here. Thanks for sharing the one pointed koan mu. Read your book and will rereading it. Now reading and experience the book you recommended. The three pillars of zen. Then plan to take a break stop and let it all digest. Amen
Thanks for always being there on YT and pointing and pointing. I realized that the reason I'm not having experiential understanding is because of fear. My heart races and pounds when I'm about to take the plunge. Not sure what to do, besides being persistent.
I was engaged in organized religion, had an earthquake throw my etch-a-sketch through the floor and have been deconstructing and falling down the rabbit hole a few years. Totally in love with this subject! Any advice on enduring the pain of close family members I love who make me “wrong” because I’ve stepped away from roles/beliefs/traditions etc.
Does it help to recognize that the pain you're experiencing due to family members not accepting you does nothing beneficial for either you or them? In other words, does it help to recognize that feeling bad never helps anyone?
As a self-declared atheist I refer to the term "God" or "Diety" as the life-force driving any creature (including plants, microbial - any part of a living biomass) to live, experience life, survive, keep existing - However I was blinded during the business of life, to ignore my Id , my natural sensitivities and instincts, and I was fortunate to meet my Guru, Prem Rawat, to be inspired by his emotional influence, to shed my pre-fabricated beliefs to be curious enough to persue enough scientific knowldge of Life, to re-discover my Id, and relate to it as my natural compass relinking my dayly being with deep fulfilling emotions such as love, compassion to all living and deep respect to thisincredible miracle called life - Does any of the above make any sense ?
Yes, any belief/concept has the strong potential to become a fetter. It took me some years to grok this (also thanks to your book, and even though I'm still tethered to many beliefs/ideas). Which makes me wonder, how much weight do you give to a formal (i.e., regular and daily) meditation practice? It seems to me that many with an interest in nonduality are "learning" about it via this and other channels (something you repeatedly caution about both overtly and between the lines). What they are likely missing is that most of us have to spend a lot of time (1000+ hours) on the cushion/chair (or while walking) doing practices to stabilize attention and develop clarity and equanimity to do the types of work you're alluding to (e.g., examining thoughts/emotions, shadow work, and integration). Organized religion (e.g., Buddhist or Hindu temples or community groups) can offer some of that by providing community and accountability over the long term, so long that one is mindful of the flip side, adoption of a set of beliefs (and rituals) that over time become performative and therefore unhelpful.
💖💖💖 instinct Perfect without knowing Moves where is best with no map one pointed laser steep path Tearing to pieces without reaction Beloved Loving me still when I react Loving me still when I seek a way back Stopping me dead in the track
I typed this inquiry into chatGPT and the response was interesting, thought -ful. In the near future, Can an AI like chatGPT act as a personal spiritual guide and help me attain stream entry in a maximum of 5 years with a no nonsense meditation technique as is deemed fit for the student
The unknown stands alone by nature of its annunciation, further unknowns would indicate some “know”ledge of them…or does the unknown even exist, to know would render it known.
Thank you for speaking with zero bullshit 🙏
Have been going to retreats, do daily sits (try to), listen to talks and all the rest of it for the past decade .
It appears that the average person going about their daily lives is either clueless or way more sane than I am.
This looking has shown me the utter mess that lies within. I am surprised I'm still breathing
Angelo, you graciously responded to one of my questions and another video comment section section. I don’t think that I articulated I was trying to say very well.
What I was trying to say is more along the lines of what you’re talking about here.
I went from Christian to atheist to “spiritual” and back to athiest before I heard you speak. You are to date the only person I’ve heard describe what I see. Thanks.
My “issue” is that I can stand there and see the unknowable. The one truly ineffable “non-thing” and as soon as I see it, my mind rewrites its model of the universe to include it.
I “know it’s unknowable” I see that it’s not in any way subject to language or thought. And again “I know it”.
It’s so subtle it’s hard to language but the “knowing” is a step back. I can speak brilliantly on the subject. I’m sure you’d agree with everything I say. And it comes from insight. I know this because I had the initial non-dual experience as a skeptical athiest and with no exposure to “non-duality” as a subject matter.
But it’s just a more and more inclusive belief system. I kinda know why. I’m the guy that “understands things on a deep level”. I mean as an identity.
No matter how deep I go I end up summarizing it all into a tidy box of concepts. I even KNOW I AM DOING IT WHEN I AM DOING IT.
The mind just sorta includes that into the box of concepts. I actively KNOW my model of reality is keeping me from seeing the territory. It feels impossible to stop.
I mean, probably the answer is “keep practicing” and maybe I just want to feel validated. Probably. But it is very frustrating (imagine a thousand exclamation points) that the mind won’t stop building a model of reality for me to step comfortably back into.
My question then is how to discard the “true” beliefs. Like “it is entirely non-conceptual” and “everything is merely being” and even “this very thought is arising from nothing, and appearing to nobody” etc.
To be clear, I’m staring right at “it”. Believe me please. These are NOT others descriptions being repeated, any more than all language is that.
Is there a process to step out of this cycle of “knowing” and into the unknown?
I’ve always been averse to the one pointed approach. Are you gonna tell me, that’s exactly why?
How do I stop my mind from “getting it”. Because I do know it cannot be “gotten”.
I can “go there” nearly any time I choose. But as soon as I stop the effort, the mind backfills an “understanding” that fits nicely and I live in, and as, this understanding.
It’s a rather uncomfortable place to be and getting more uncomfortable. Any help would be appreciated.
well, I am no Angelo lol but I just wanted to say that this post this comment rather resonates 100% with me. I am actually doing some ketamine infusion treatments right now due to some trauma whatever the story I won’t go into but anyway this keeps coming up in the infusion sessions. it’s like I can see so clearly and yes, I can see clearly a lot of the time in my normal life schedule. I can see so clearly that nothing is everything and everything is nothing and yet there is just something holding on and it’s exactly as you say it’s like still trying to make a model. I do not know how to get outside of that because I also can see there is no outside. It makes me wonder if I just have horrible OCD in this brain. And yes, it’s not me with OCD but could it just be the way this brain is wired??!I don’t know anything. I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate your comment. We certainly aren’t that special lol many many many people I think can relate.
just watch he’s gonna tell us both to sit our asses down with what is mu and quit bitching😂😂😂
@@katehiggins9940 lol. I kinda know that. “What is Mu!!?!?!?” . Uhg. I already know what Mu is. 🤣
@@katehiggins9940 I have a fair amount of Trauma too. I’ve been doing DIY Ketamine and MDMA therapy for a while. (Can’t afford the right way) and it has had a profound affect on me.
I didn’t know how deep the well of pain was or just how packed it was. It’s like falling into the fires of hell. But it’s SO GOOD to let it out and let it go. I feel lighter after every session.
@@MelFinehout i would say we already know we don’t know what Mu is but are determined to know and therein lies the “ problem” 😉❤️
By the way, thank you so much for you being you and for addressing this. I think this has been at the top of many many many peoples awareness right now. At least it has been here!
You are so welcome!
thank you Angelo, you are so patient with us stubborn „onholder“of identity ❤️🙏
Listening again for 4th time ....yes, I now see & admit it is this constant re-assurance of my existence & now beginning to also see the subtle, almost unconscious thoughts that keep it all in place.
Every time you say 9.13min "FIERCE GRACE COMES ALONG "....I can feel cold shivers & nausea arising ...😮
This has been one of the problems here. Thanks for sharing the one pointed koan mu. Read your book and will rereading it. Now reading and experience the book you recommended. The three pillars of zen. Then plan to take a break stop and let it all digest. Amen
Thanks for always being there on YT and pointing and pointing. I realized that the reason I'm not having experiential understanding is because of fear. My heart races and pounds when I'm about to take the plunge. Not sure what to do, besides being persistent.
I was engaged in organized religion, had an earthquake throw my etch-a-sketch through the floor and have been deconstructing and falling down the rabbit hole a few years. Totally in love with this subject!
Any advice on enduring the pain of close family members I love who make me “wrong” because I’ve stepped away from roles/beliefs/traditions etc.
Does it help to recognize that the pain you're experiencing due to family members not accepting you does nothing beneficial for either you or them? In other words, does it help to recognize that feeling bad never helps anyone?
As a self-declared atheist I refer to the term "God" or "Diety" as the life-force driving any creature (including plants, microbial - any part of a living biomass) to live, experience life, survive, keep existing - However I was blinded during the business of life, to ignore my Id , my natural sensitivities and instincts, and I was fortunate to meet my Guru, Prem Rawat, to be inspired by his emotional influence, to shed my pre-fabricated beliefs to be curious enough to persue enough scientific knowldge of Life, to re-discover my Id, and relate to it as my natural compass relinking my dayly being with deep fulfilling emotions such as love, compassion to all living and deep respect to thisincredible miracle called life - Does any of the above make any sense ?
Thank you 🙏
Yes, any belief/concept has the strong potential to become a fetter. It took me some years to grok this (also thanks to your book, and even though I'm still tethered to many beliefs/ideas). Which makes me wonder, how much weight do you give to a formal (i.e., regular and daily) meditation practice? It seems to me that many with an interest in nonduality are "learning" about it via this and other channels (something you repeatedly caution about both overtly and between the lines).
What they are likely missing is that most of us have to spend a lot of time (1000+ hours) on the cushion/chair (or while walking) doing practices to stabilize attention and develop clarity and equanimity to do the types of work you're alluding to (e.g., examining thoughts/emotions, shadow work, and integration). Organized religion (e.g., Buddhist or Hindu temples or community groups) can offer some of that by providing community and accountability over the long term, so long that one is mindful of the flip side, adoption of a set of beliefs (and rituals) that over time become performative and therefore unhelpful.
💖💖💖
instinct
Perfect without knowing
Moves where is best with no map
one pointed laser
steep path
Tearing to pieces without reaction
Beloved
Loving me still when I react
Loving me still when I seek a way back
Stopping me dead in the track
I typed this inquiry into chatGPT and the response was interesting, thought -ful.
In the near future, Can an AI like chatGPT act as a personal spiritual guide and help me attain stream entry in a maximum of 5 years with a no nonsense meditation technique as is deemed fit for the student
Good stuff 👍
is there (or isn't there) more than one unknown?
The unknown stands alone by nature of its annunciation, further unknowns would indicate some “know”ledge of them…or does the unknown even exist, to know would render it known.
o.k. ❤
Does internet addiction affect the awakening process?