Does Guzu not understand that Molten Core with a Meatball boss isn't the level of change people expected after renewed dungeon raids. It's an absolute fart in the wind. Am I going mad?
tardzu is a mazed rat who's entire pathetic "personality" revolves around forced toxic positivity. dont expect him to criticize the one thing keeping him semi relevant.
Guzu does understand, but he wont give his honest take because he doesnt want to get on bad graces with blizzard. All the content creators reacted to this vid and basically said the same thing.
aside from the meatball though the heat levels were actually pretty good. A well developed way to give players and optional harder mode of the raid but it does not have player power tied to it so people are not forced to do it. I actually thinking MC is pretty fun and as much people want to claim MC is bad raid design it is still genuinely a fun raid at its core. I think the main thing we all just need to except with SoD is that they don't have an art team working on the game. The best they can do with their creative endeavors is reusing assets and areas to slap new systems and rewards into. While it is genuinely disappointing to not really get anything truly new they have stated that SoD is an experiment and that hopefully the experiment ends up successful enough that they can get enough resources to create genuinely new content with and even potentially a true classic+.
You all are coping with this stuff, there's less people playing SoD now than in phase 1. You can tell just by main city traffic. All of my friends who played quit long ago as well, my friends list is barren of wow sod players and so are many of the discords.
@@mikes2106 there's 100% less people playing and I don't really like phase 4, but people pointing at the graph is also extreme cope. I had two insane guildies that raided on 6 characters each in phase 1.
@@silvestre93ify I’m sure some people did but Ironforge Pro looks at characters that raided with a log, which wouldn’t have been highest the first week.
SoD is defenitely feeling like retail 0,1. Look at dungeons, tank runs around aoe pulling everything has instant 100% threat, and dps just mindlesly aoe'ing everything down. Dont like this...
sod is not retail but it's everything bad about retail apart from micro-transactions. Multiple difficulty raids, world content made instanced, levelling seen as a chore to be skipped, time-gated seasonal content with HUGE catch-up mecahnics that makes it feel like there is no point in playing. I know for a fact based on years of playing retail if I start sod again next patch im gonna have gear equivalent to Molten Core doing trivial outdoor content which doesn't require me to step into the raid so why even bother playing right now. SoD is not classic+ it's Retail - and anyone playing SoD over war within is crazy.
@@nataliep6385 hard disagree personally. You don't even use most of the runes anyways, but it's cool to have the options. I just wish they added more locations for the runes.
EU crusader strike had 8 - 10 layers at busiest times during phase 1. During workweek on mornings we had at least 3 layers always active and busy. On release of p4 we had 4 layers. Fallowing days after that havent seen a second layer pop up. You dont need to look at logs, layers paint a pretty good picture
They spend many months creating those things. SoD devs are creating on the fly. Turtle wow team is probably larger than SoD team and SoD team also has to work on Cata.
Doom and gloom and youtubers have a negative effect on the game in my opinion. I think many need a therapist to ask them if they truly like their job or if they just feel stuck in it. There are so many details you could get lost in between SOD, Cata, and Retail and all of them are legit fun if you like mmo's. But if you are that person who all you do is complain about every version and how lazy and dumb blizzard is, then dude you dont like World of Warcraft. There is no fictional perfect version coming to save you. You'll find fault with fresh era, and classic+ too and just never be happy with the game.
Lol. Little bro really think these millionaires are sad playing games. These white knights will do anything to defend there multi billion dollar company
I agree with the idea that SoD is an experiment and it clearly took a lot of design elements to the extreme. However, we do need to be a bit honest with our selves. If people genuinely want the meme specs to be viable it is going to a bit more then just small minor changes. To make a ret paladin or an enhance shaman perform even remotely similarly to a warrior it is going to take a good solid 5 to 6 changes. Not only do they have to create ways to fix the mana issues with a lot of these specs and classes, they would need to introduce some new abilities for a lot of them and even potentially tweak the balance around a lot of their existing abilities. If we use ret pally as an example just giving them crusader strike and divine storm would not be enough to put them even close to warrior level. They would also need the mana to consistently seal twist for the entire fight and they would need to add passive abilities to fix their hybrid scaling of needing AP for their melee attacks and abilities while also needing spell power for their spells. They would also need better optimized gear that scales them as effectively as other DPS.
you want some actionable wants? 1) hire more devs and make dedicated tooling. in warcraft 3, the world editor allowed a ton of editing, and much of it could carry over to wow. being able to adjust the terrain in a painterly manner would allow for quick itteration. and being able to paint textures onto the map would allows zones to quickly get basic content shipable. you need an environment artist (the retail team has a ton and they are all awesome) you need a texture artist and rigger for mobs and doodads. hire a specific person for bosses, and player abilities. they can create play and counter play which is different from the highly formulaic retail path. hire a dev to write new quests, and to implement them in game, and make a tool which makes it take less than 10 minutes to implement a new quest. ingeneral, you need to make tools with increase how much content can be generated by devs. and you need enough devs that each one can specialize into a particular niche of content. 2) make a list of all questlines which end awkwardly or which are in game bread crumbs for later game content which was either disappointing or not developed. there are fey dragons chanting and dancing in a fairies circle near tirisfal glades, and then was said to be because of a dead old god thing under the ground in legion. that is a crappy writing direction, instead embellish it to involve the emerald dream. take all these plot hooks and instead of trying to subvert them, try to embellish them into greater states of wonder instead of jadedness. 3) have the team rank the plot hooks by how much they would like to make content for them. if there is no passionate consensus then have every team member make 10 assets for their desired direction, whether it is an npc, item, quest line, or in game picturesque viewpoint, and have the team present one thing they made, starting with their favorite thing. so one person starts the presentation and shows their favorite creation, then the next person, and so on until it loops back to the first person, and then they show their seccond work, and so on. 4) choose which one to work on first by which vision makes them feel the most passion. and make one full piece of content. a dungeon with mobs and bread crumb quests leading to it. 5) test, ship, and repeat. it should take 1 day to get 1 dungeon in a first draft state. you can embellish the first draft, or not. if you want an on then off cycle, you could make 5 dungeons with quests one week, and then you develop the content the seccond week. but you ship it all the third. if you want to put all teh attention into a boss, fine but make it cool and don't forget that the classic playerbase isn't as hardcore as the retail one. this is especially important if you want people to be DISCOVERING things. you need to ship incomplete and unfinished content for people to discover. there will be extra time, and during that you can fill in other content. create intriguing quests, which lead up to novel interactions in game. you can have a hutress say "sometimes i feel a demon is still stalking this forest" and then players have to go get mcguffins to activate the disclosure of world boss (basicly summoning it). once it is disclosed it goes on a rampage across the zone. people have problems; the player could have a problem, the person they interact with could have the problem, or the institution they represent could have the problem. these plot strings can be used to embellish the world into a state of wonder. what is the problem and what zaney mcguffin will resolve it? will the cloaked demons be tempted from the shadows by gold or gore? will they be revealed by goblin telescopes? does it require the player to make a sacrifice, or do they need to gather bags of grissle and glory? objectively the wow magic system is a mix of hard and soft magic. so you do write yourself into a corner if you say "goblin telescopes can see ashenvale demons". but it is still content which can be pushed. you can have some game devs workign on boss mechanics, with the bread crumb quests complete, and you have a npc model maker and one quest person just implement a good quest. and meanwhile the environmental artist could be skulpting caves for the next piece of content.
I honestly feel like I'm on my own island when it comes to what I thought SoD was going to be, and I ended up dropping off fairly quickly because of it. My impression based off how they presented it was that the game was going to be more about providing you the tools and flexibility to define your own playstyles, and allow players to kind of define the new meta. When they mentioned things like Rogue Tank, or Mage healer, my assumption was that those were "some" of the options, but universally we can piece together our own class to rebuild what it means to be a mage, or a rogue, and the runes were tools to facilitate that. My take away from SoD after a few days was... its classic, but basically 90% of the runes are just imported skills that you already know from other eras of these classes/specs. The biggest reason I'm not playing WoW at all is generally just craving innovation, new fresh takes on the classes we've had for so long, so just getting Frost mage; but now with Ice lance was so underwhelming to me. I really feel like it would've been cool to lean more into the PoE/Rift concept of allowing some intermixing between the classes, so if you wanted to make a Tank Frost mage, and you could find the synergies to make it work, you 100% could.
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Honestly phase 4 is my favorite so far, maybe the first phase hype was crazy but actually now that we know 60 is the limit and we are awaiting the old raids we love so much with our new abilities
i don't get these random retail comments, cool have fun with retail i guess. most classic players would just play another game instead of retail though, it's just very different.
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lmao Retail players have brain rot if they claim that retail is fun...
For me personally i enjoyed classic and i enjoy sod and retail. Most people who complain are like madseason who are too old and should just embrace the fact they are old and everyone moved on.
Brother, you need to try a shower-beer. Hot day outside, you come back from a run or playing football with your mates and on the way to the shower you crack open a cold-one. That is peak summer feeling.
Phase 4 just feels lazy and yes the dungeon they added was meh a raid is a little more acceptable to re-use assets in terms of NPC’s because it’s so big, but they could have used one of the half finished areas to put it in which would excite the players
3:51 that’s false. These transfers exist but for me I can’t use them. This happens also for many many other users e.g on Reddit. It seems blizzard randomly opens and closes these transfers but there is nothing to see if it’s available or not…. Bro like I want to play the game but I can’t transfer my character because it’s closed… straight up yapping
Well I am disapointed in sod as well really hard, it feels like retail minus instead of classic plus (that we expected and wanted), but before I will say anything further I am ok with them trying everything and I feel they do not try more things, it is seasonal testing field for future projects to see what works and what not and how people like it. What I wanted from sod to be was well season of DISCOVERY, I was hoping for not crazy changes into classes expect some tweeks here and there and buffs to classes/specs they needed it like druid overall, shadow priest, ret+prot pala and more. I wanted some changes to professions maybe so not everyone will be running arround with enginering. Some quality of life changes like warlock soul wells so I do not need to collect shards for hour before the raid and craft 40 healthstones before every boss after a wipe or mage tables... After that I wanted some changes to the world buffs, having them is fun and getting them feels like an RPG but die with world buffs is like you loose half of your gear -50% dps for some classes. Reworked PVP system because lets be honest with ourselfs bracket ranking is trash. After that I wanted new things to discover, new quests, story, zones, dungeons, raids, BGs. Go through the world and well play the game and enjoy it, instead of it we got homogenized gear, with classes/specs with 0 identity and game focused only on end game rush and catch up with making it raid lock out only and bunch of dailys to keep you log in every day. If this will be classic plus I will not play it even tho I play SOD on daily bases and again I will say I play it and wants them to test everything and will be happy part of that. But for me I do not think classic needs crazy changes, the game is great and even some bad stuff in the game makes it great on its own, we just need some new content to do in it. In the end I leaving this coment as not the hater but wow classic lover who wants maybe to leave his feedback or an opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree.
I want more early game changes. New quests, more locations for most if not all the runes, more solo-content in general. I dont really care much for endgame to be honest with you.
It seems like ALOT of people totally ignore the fact that SoD is a test for devs to test the waters regarding what they can allow themselves to tingle with when they air the actual classic+ So many people seem so devoted to SoD and it's future not understanding that it's basically a beta leading into Classic+ which will probably hopefully give us the full Vanilla as it was meant to be in full glory with Karazhan and everything they skipped in order to make TBC.
ngl heat leavel is one of the most, trash mechanics for the raid I ever saw, let us do attune instead of wearing bunch of enchants and like 1-2 fire ress gear pieces
That’s surprising. The Heat mechanic made it worthwhile to obtain the fire resistance gear which is something that they had obviously tried to make a thing in vanilla. So it actually is very much in the spirit of vanilla to make FR gear a thing. To me, as a tank, it has felt exactly like the normal gearing progression where you want to have an early FR set for Ragnaros. So I thought this was brilliant. Did I agree with the implementation of dailies and slightly upgradeable pieces for daily rewards? No, there is room for improvement. But I hope a classic+ in the future plays more with resistances. This was an underexplored aspect of vanilla because of warrior stacking and world buffs, and it is 100% in the spirit of vanilla to explore this.
What killed sod, shaman phase 2 pvp, phase 3 shaman got stronger, raids got harder, both pve and pvp killed. Free transfers at 11 am on a wednesday for 30 minutes on rapidly dying pvp servers made people even more mad. Phase 4 didn't kill anything, it was phase 3.
I used to like this guys videos. Now he just sounds like he's slightly depressed and super glass half empty. The terrible attempt at comedy too :|. Don't like it? Don't play. Simple. Keep up the good stuff Guzu.
Naah I dont like it when they re-use assest but I dont mind them re-using assets in a new dungeon/raid. We just want classic it looks to much like retail we just want the old vanilla dungeons nothing new. But some new zone with a new dungeon or raid would be amazing, so long you aint re-use assets. Ye ... im not so sure if he took time to read his script or to double check his edited video cause it didnt make much sense to me.
I dont get these folks who makes videos about how "dead" wow is, its one of the most talked things about wow righ now. I would love less people, less people gives oldshool vibes, i actually ran into someone i seen before, witch made me love sod, i have a nemesi named kekyoudie, i hope he dont quit..
I try to xfer my alts on living flame and it says free but nothing comes up. That’s 3 50s gone to waste on horde so now I’m on a 42 pally on wild growth. I wanted to take a break not start over again ffs!
@@mavenema1 I loved classic. I played all the 40man raids back then when I had the time for it. Now I have a family, a full time job and not the energy to manage guild and raid invites. I didn't say that they should go to 10man, just that I would have prefered it. SoD is to play the game in a different way, and I loved raiding with my small group of ingame friends in bfd.
Metagoblin is hate farming. Dude actually made a video asking viewers if they would prefer videos about how bad sod is or how good sod is. I started watching his original content in 2019 but his views have dropped and he's blaming blizzard for it. I never expected SoD to be some amazing version of the game. The devs are creating on the fly and it was obvious as soon as P1. Anyone still making videos complianing about it are simply farming hate views and i unsubbed from their channels. If they cant create content for this then i dont want to watch their content in the future. He did well during classic because he already knew everything. The game was figured out years ago. Now that its new and things are different he doesnt want to be wrong about something so he doesnt make content. Its cowardly
playing wow for almost 20 years like most of us n i never ever had any problem with communitie. idk why ppl dont want to raid with guild where they can play how ever they like....but instead they choose toxic pugs n they cry...
I don't know what happened, maybe they don't feel comfortable with how Cata population feels, but WillE's and Metagoblin's last few videos about SoD have felt like essays from those Reddit complainer Andys that are pulling at strings to convince people their version of WoW is better.
'i don't get what he wants' i don't know what HE wants but here are some things i was expecting: - new abbilities which weren't from later expansions. - new dungeons and raids which weren't from later expansions - no changes to the core game design, no putting world bosses in instances. if a piece of content is designed to be interacted with in a specific way, it should stay being interacted with in that way. - if new class specs were to be added they would be tactful and fir the world; healing mages should have made sense. also classes should have had their designs fixed a bit for better class immersion. the dungeon added was fine, but if they were going to add something that sloppy they should have added more of them. there was a cowboy themed dungeon in mulgore that was cut from vanilla. they shoudl have added that back in as well. they also should have added in a RFC equivalent in telldrassil. if you want to make a super simple dungeon with no boss mechanics, that is fine, but it needs to be longer. why? content gets exhausted in respect to the difficulty and length. if you aren't going to have special abilities, then there is no replay value. if there is no replay value then people only go through it once per account. in darkshore there could have been a dungeon to go into the troll villiage which you fly over. you could have it have 0 mechanics, and it would be okay content. you could put in one giant mechanic similar to the rivendale prissoner, have the players have to kill enemies to reduce suspicion, and if the suspicion meter maxes out the whole instance pulls at once onto you. and if you dont want the dungeon itself to have mechanics, then you need to have interesting enemies with a minimum of one mechanic per enemy. so if they want to just make low creativity content, then they should have made like 30-60 more dungeons, at least one for each zone. if they dont want to do that much environment crafting, then they need to go more on new inspire mechanics. i personally like the dragonflight flying mechanics. having one of the docks on thunderbluff allow you to jump off with a glider, and have it be a copy paste of dragon flying but within mulgore, you could have high scores and leader boards. then duplicate it off of telldrassil, and you have a a fun minigame for each faction. there is low creativity because copy pasting a game system is similar to copypasting an abbility, but part of what makes the vanilla people themselves is disliking the direction the game went. having a pvp minigame with you flying a glider into updrafts, isn't in line with what mechanics were available in vanilla but it was in line with the theme of you just being some random person. and giving players a goblin 'air-lymp-ics', (cause you limp if you land wrong) would be fun and novel. and if you put something into classic first, and then bring it forward into retail, there would be less blowback. but they needed to do a lot more for sod to be a season of discovery. they needed to make content to discover. adding a meatball to the end of MC was, almost okay, but the implementation was bad. they shoudl have not had hydraxian waterlords help like they did. what they should have done if they wanted to have the meatball was go full indiana jones. the ball erupts phase one you damage it, then it rolls down the spiral on the ground forcing parties to jump into the lava, then instead of exiting the cave allong the spiral it dives into the lava and goes back to the center, while in the lava section of the spiral it massively heals up and rolls back into position. then it allows you to repeat damaging it, and as you damage it it grows, and like a cell splits in two. when it hits the same threshold again both balls chase after the players who have to lava jump out of the boss room. when the balls exit the room, they merge again and lock onto a random player, then the ball starts chasing this player around the instance. if the ball hits a player, that player dies. players have sped up casting (similar to bwl boss 2). players have to kite the boss while damaging it, and figure out what ways they can control it's targeting. how do they get it to stop going after one target? see if they had put in an extra boss and it was really awesome, then people would want to play it. but this is anticlimatic. the molten core shouldn't be an after rag boss, because rag is the climax. and also they probably should have made it harder to trigger. i think they should have expanded the raid zone so you would have to go down a lava river or lava waterslide or something novel. and if they wanted to just pack on an extra little surprise they should have made it nice- it shouldn't have made the game worse. making a bunch of little dungeons and caves which would expand the world and give more content variety for partial parties and for parties would have been great if they made the amount of content large. but as they choose to make less and less content, the quality of the content needs to increase. what they did instead was add in content in the style of retail which made the rest of the content worse. putting the waterlord guys in the final fight, makes the entire plot arc worse. meanwhile if they made it so once you killed the molten core they appeared in the front of the instance and you could turn in stuff so you didn't ahve to go to bumfuck nowhere azshara, that actually would be okay. getting rid of time killers which do give imersion but not much would be understandable. it would be less immersion breaking if every 2 hours the water lord guy spawns in redridge and slowly makes his way into burning steppes. killing stuff all the way. and then he is just in the zone killing other hostiles and wandering until he dies and returns to the elemental plane. but you need quantity, or quality or a mix. you can't just put in a couple low quality changes which detract from the game. or a large number of things which just detract.
Metagoblin is way off base with this one. His bias against SoD is showing on full display. He says he speaks for the people but then criticizes parts of Phase 4 people like.
I agree the logs don't really show the true story, I had 8 alts that I raided every lockout in phase 1, but only 2 characters made it to 50 and I only have my shaman at 60. I also agree with your take on pretty much all of the video lol. Also, I think the ele sham buttons are super fun to press lately.
Logs do show the true tendency of the game if you actually read the graph. Even if people had alts they didn't raid with them the first week/s and as you say, in phase 3 most people already had no alts or had the same as now and still the numbers are less than half for the first two weeks. And phase 3 was massively disliked and phase 4 was supposed to bring tons of people back being the true endgame.
@@Krulfar That's not what I said and you missed the point. I did have an alt at 50, it was my warlock that I raided with every week. The point is that MANY people gave up on alts over the phases and that is part of the reason why there is such a huge drop from phase 1 to 4. It is not the only reason, but it is a bigger part of the reason than you're giving it credit for.
That's a fair point. Everyone and their mother "raided" BFD. I do agree they kind over homogenized the classes in SoD. I want them to keep the paladin changes though. But like... why did hunters get Kings+200atp?
Idk I kind of agree with the guy. I expected completely new dungeons and raids. There's that word expectations...blizzard does a terrible job of limiting expectations. I'm trying to think how to put it. If Blizzard told you sod was gonna be normal classic but with "new" raids in existing dungeons. I think most people aren't exactly hyped at the sound of that. Sod as a whole seems half assed on purpose to get subscriptions for as long as they can trickle little phase updates. Almost everything in sod is reused. It just feels lazy compared to what it could of been with the old vanilla but with all brand new dungeons and raids. I doubt it's the devs fault, probably higher up decisions that force them to reuse everything and limit anything new to limit cost. Where you lie on this I think depends on how happy you were originally to play another classic wow experience with no changes. I for one was not gonna play another classic experience unless there was a lot of new content and that's where most of my disappointment comes from.
They literally hinted at raids being in Gnomer and Scarlet in the hype video, and revealed BFD at the event. Let them cook FFS. Negative Nancy energy is on high around here.
I think SoD is great for what it is.... an experimental verison of the game that slowly evolves. I also agree that using stuff like wowlogs is a bad way to judge the population and activity of a server.... not everyone will DL the addon or upload their data. Many casual players won't bother, and casual players are atleast half the game. But SoD tried to be like a vanilla+ with alot of changes to make it feel different...... the rune system seems to work well, even if some are seen as too good. IT also allows stuff like shaman tanks which is amazing. Gear itemization is way better too..... they try to combine stuff like melee and spell crit, or hit, or haste. Same with +spell damage and +healing together on gear, instead of just one or the other. This is a huge help for hybrid dps that might need both melee and spell stats like hit or crit.
That's not true. Using wcl to get an exact number of players is stupid but it's a great tool to see tendencies. All you are commenting is true both now and in phase 1 so the fact that it shows 80% less raiders now means the playerbase has reduced heavily.
It's literally stated to be a classic+ ptr. So of course people will treat it as such and talk about what they would like or dislike to see in classic+
Like, they have said they are gonna create a new raid. FFS, he is so goddamned negative, and he knows it gets him more clicks. It is tiring at some point. I cringe when I hear that voice.
They did it on purpose, last thing they wanted was for SOD to succeed and take players away from upcoming expansion which required huge investment. They did the same with each phase release, most recently the one before cata launch.
Friendly reminder that logged raids on WCL is a heavily flawed metric due to the fact that a) a person raiding on two chars will be counted twice and b) it does not account for 3 vs 7 day lockout. This statistic does NOT show you the actual population of the game. It should go without saying that it is expected to see A LOT more raids being logged during phase 1, with level 20 raids being easily accessible for alts, compared with level 60 in phase 4. Add the 7 day lockout from MC compared to 3 days BFD on top of that and you have this non representative shit statistic that every content creator abuses for clicks. And don't even get me started on the fact that people need to farm fire res gear for heat 2/3, which makes it even less likely to have raids logged on alt chars as you simply have to spend more time on your main.
That's so cool until you actually read the graph and realizes that raid participation is still less than half of phase 3 (lv50, weekly lockout, overall disliked) while phase 4 was supposed to bring a lot of people back being the true endgame
@@Krulfar As I said, can't compare those^^ People do have way less raid ready characters in p4 than they did ever before. In previous phases all you needed was, well, gear from previous phases. Level char to current max -> raid. Now it's level to max -> gear up -> raid.
@@Krulfar I don't need to cope. My server is packed with multiple layers active 24/7. You can find groups for every dungeon at any time. I played throughout phase 3 and during the last months of it we had just 1 layer which was rather empty. It's noticable that the game is a lot more active and no, that's not cope. Fact is, unless Blizzard decides to make player numbers publicly available, we just don't know. Logged raids is not a viable metric by any means for various reasons.
@@akitos6413 There are ways to see how many people are in a chat channel at one time, using a data broker, and that gives you a pretty decent estimate on population, by looking at LFG, trade, etc, over time for a server. Broker everything is the addon nd then you choose the chat channels module, and you can have it output to either a display like titan panel, or to a minimap button.
What is all these dooming content about SOD? I think its great, they shouldnt fix everything so that everybody can have everything at the beginning. E.g. getting raid mats from the dungeon coins is just bad. Why does nobody wants to have progress over a longer duration? Bring back 40 man raids!
Good Old Guzu, as much as I like your content but I feel like you should avoid reacting to WoW critics content cause most of the time you end up looking like you're just shiling for blizzard so hard which is a bad look. Everytime someone point out weaknesses or bad systems in classic, SoD, vanilla you always defend it so hard. No matter what any content creator says, you'll always just defend the game
Classic+ should be hard as fuck. Balanced. Raids shouldn’t be complete by everyone until the end of the phase. Loot should matter, revered / exalted grinds should matter. Not free everything for everyone for no effort it’s pathetic. I don’t care about your limited time go play retail
Classic gameplay isnt supposed to be hard, it should feel rewarded by your time invested. And that doesnt atm. If you want to play hard raids and gameplay, then go play retail. Dont expect something big from a classic team with a bunch of 5 people.
yeah this is how metagoblin has always been with any vidoes he makes, he contridicts his own statments half way through his videos. Part of why i downvote his videos and dont suscribe
People complained way too much about nightmare incursions but what was the alternative? Just grinding the same dungeon over and over and over and over again? I'll say it wasn't the greatest but people have to remember this is a testing ground and they need to stop being so negative about every little thing it's quite cringe like go take ur depression meds lmao.
So funny that you don't see questing as an alternative. Instead of nerfint dungeon spamming they made an even worse system that also eliminated pre-bis farming and fucked the economy forever. Problem solved I guess.
I think they lost the classic vanilla players with all the changes. I don't know if it's cause the devs listen to the wrong vocal minority or they just dont understand what makes vanilla so damn good. Yeah, it's seasonal but it's a bad direction for classic + imo. The majority of paying customers do not want hard content in vanilla. Some speed run for the challenge but most just wanna chill, kill bosses and get loot with their pals. I think they could of made it a challenge by making a timer to finish the raid like a speed run or an extra loot box vanishes. just a thought but most do not like vanilla raids messed with mechanically. I think it's why som failed. Hate to say it but a lot of streamers/youtubers are clueless too. They just play whatever is getting them views anyhow.
It's both listening to the loud people and survivor bias. They keep listening to the people that still play not realizing that at this point those are the people that would never quit instead of listening to the people that quit to know why.
Shitting on sod=the new cool thing+views, shit if you say sod around staysafe he literally blows up then tells you to go play on deviate delight and to buy merch from their site or else. The people that are acting like era purists are literally farming viewers for money acting like their trying to lead the community in the right way. Fuck em all and do what you feel is fun for you. SoD is fun for me so I'm going to play it. When its not fun I'm not going to play it. This is a very simple concept, but its turned into if you have the opposite view point then you're wrong and the abuse begins.
Living flame eu seems alive many dungeon raid pugs h2 h3 alive econmy i dont understsnd youtubers try to kill and call is it dead? Not dead yet? Surely will dead? Contents this is getting annoying asf
retail is so empty that the prepatch event made the servers shit themselves from all the people trying to play Meanwhile in season of dead, i cant find a single dungeon group below level 55
Community ideas making the game better? The reason why modern wow is so bad is due to the community ideas dating back to tbc haha Heroics are too hard We need to be able to queue for dungeons and raids Gemming, enchanting and reforging gear is bad We need meaningless welfare epics that we are never going to remember Remove all the stats from the game so items may as well just say “player power” You should timegate flying so we can discover the world Wait, why is flying timegated again? Bring back world PvP! Omg I can’t do anything in the world without getting ganked! Give us an option to toggle PvP on and off and make the world feel dead The list goes on unfortunately…
6:34 No, they literally couldn't. They stated that they weren't able to create anything "new" because they can't use the art team lol. They only just got permission to use the art team for BWL/AQ40 etc., but the meatball was a consequence of that. I like metagoblin, but this is just seriously trying to find problems. The dungeon was good for what they COULD DO, the new boss was good for what they COULD DO. I don't like defending Blizzard, but I'm not going to give them unfair treatment due to bias.
Does Guzu not understand that Molten Core with a Meatball boss isn't the level of change people expected after renewed dungeon raids. It's an absolute fart in the wind.
Am I going mad?
tardzu is a mazed rat who's entire pathetic "personality" revolves around forced toxic positivity. dont expect him to criticize the one thing keeping him semi relevant.
you are not going mad. We are just coping hard.
Guzu does understand, but he wont give his honest take because he doesnt want to get on bad graces with blizzard. All the content creators reacted to this vid and basically said the same thing.
aside from the meatball though the heat levels were actually pretty good. A well developed way to give players and optional harder mode of the raid but it does not have player power tied to it so people are not forced to do it. I actually thinking MC is pretty fun and as much people want to claim MC is bad raid design it is still genuinely a fun raid at its core.
I think the main thing we all just need to except with SoD is that they don't have an art team working on the game. The best they can do with their creative endeavors is reusing assets and areas to slap new systems and rewards into.
While it is genuinely disappointing to not really get anything truly new they have stated that SoD is an experiment and that hopefully the experiment ends up successful enough that they can get enough resources to create genuinely new content with and even potentially a true classic+.
Do an y of you understand that they are spending their energy making new raids? FFS.
people watch the graph and don't understand how many alts people had in phase 1 or 2
Exactly. Everyone had 5-6 alts because there was nothing to do at 25.
You all are coping with this stuff, there's less people playing SoD now than in phase 1. You can tell just by main city traffic. All of my friends who played quit long ago as well, my friends list is barren of wow sod players and so are many of the discords.
@@mikes2106 there's 100% less people playing and I don't really like phase 4, but people pointing at the graph is also extreme cope. I had two insane guildies that raided on 6 characters each in phase 1.
@@CatDad09people had 5-6 alts week 1?
@@silvestre93ify I’m sure some people did but Ironforge Pro looks at characters that raided with a log, which wouldn’t have been highest the first week.
SoD is defenitely feeling like retail 0,1. Look at dungeons, tank runs around aoe pulling everything has instant 100% threat, and dps just mindlesly aoe'ing everything down. Dont like this...
Yep, if I wanted to play Diablo... I'd play... PoE i guess. 😂
sod is not retail but it's everything bad about retail apart from micro-transactions. Multiple difficulty raids, world content made instanced, levelling seen as a chore to be skipped, time-gated seasonal content with HUGE catch-up mecahnics that makes it feel like there is no point in playing. I know for a fact based on years of playing retail if I start sod again next patch im gonna have gear equivalent to Molten Core doing trivial outdoor content which doesn't require me to step into the raid so why even bother playing right now.
SoD is not classic+ it's Retail - and anyone playing SoD over war within is crazy.
imo what they did wrong was the incursions repeatable Qs
Also waaay too many runes tbh.. If they had just done 10-15 runes for each class, it wouldve been good.
@@nataliep6385 hard disagree personally. You don't even use most of the runes anyways, but it's cool to have the options. I just wish they added more locations for the runes.
@@RunicTitancounter point, instead of lots of runes with most of them being dead. make fewer with all being somewhat viable
Not a big fan of PVP event being in the most ran dungeon/ raid area. Only complaint about this phase.
EU crusader strike had 8 - 10 layers at busiest times during phase 1. During workweek on mornings we had at least 3 layers always active and busy. On release of p4 we had 4 layers. Fallowing days after that havent seen a second layer pop up. You dont need to look at logs, layers paint a pretty good picture
The amount of content a small team can make on server like turtle wow gives blizzard no excuse to not make fun new lvling instances and quests.
They spend many months creating those things. SoD devs are creating on the fly. Turtle wow team is probably larger than SoD team and SoD team also has to work on Cata.
Turtle WoW team doesn't have to get approval from anyone, either.
Retail has content and a community that actually enjoys the game and doesn’t just sit on forums whining over PvP.
Doom and gloom and youtubers have a negative effect on the game in my opinion. I think many need a therapist to ask them if they truly like their job or if they just feel stuck in it. There are so many details you could get lost in between SOD, Cata, and Retail and all of them are legit fun if you like mmo's. But if you are that person who all you do is complain about every version and how lazy and dumb blizzard is, then dude you dont like World of Warcraft. There is no fictional perfect version coming to save you. You'll find fault with fresh era, and classic+ too and just never be happy with the game.
That's why most people with intelligence have switched to private servers. Sucks for streamers that they can't do the same.
Lol. Little bro really think these millionaires are sad playing games. These white knights will do anything to defend there multi billion dollar company
No bro. Blizzard don't make any good because ppl like u love eat shit. It's all.
This is some hard coping
Or maybe the chore simulator devoid of any good original content for it’s version is bad for the game.
Warcraft logs do show a good view on how the game is atm. Servers are medium instead of full.
I agree with the idea that SoD is an experiment and it clearly took a lot of design elements to the extreme. However, we do need to be a bit honest with our selves. If people genuinely want the meme specs to be viable it is going to a bit more then just small minor changes. To make a ret paladin or an enhance shaman perform even remotely similarly to a warrior it is going to take a good solid 5 to 6 changes. Not only do they have to create ways to fix the mana issues with a lot of these specs and classes, they would need to introduce some new abilities for a lot of them and even potentially tweak the balance around a lot of their existing abilities.
If we use ret pally as an example just giving them crusader strike and divine storm would not be enough to put them even close to warrior level. They would also need the mana to consistently seal twist for the entire fight and they would need to add passive abilities to fix their hybrid scaling of needing AP for their melee attacks and abilities while also needing spell power for their spells. They would also need better optimized gear that scales them as effectively as other DPS.
that second portal inside strat was believed to be the entrance to NAx like ubrs to bwl and brd to mc
you want some actionable wants?
1) hire more devs and make dedicated tooling.
in warcraft 3, the world editor allowed a ton of editing, and much of it could carry over to wow. being able to adjust the terrain in a painterly manner would allow for quick itteration. and being able to paint textures onto the map would allows zones to quickly get basic content shipable.
you need an environment artist (the retail team has a ton and they are all awesome)
you need a texture artist and rigger for mobs and doodads.
hire a specific person for bosses, and player abilities. they can create play and counter play which is different from the highly formulaic retail path.
hire a dev to write new quests, and to implement them in game, and make a tool which makes it take less than 10 minutes to implement a new quest.
ingeneral, you need to make tools with increase how much content can be generated by devs. and you need enough devs that each one can specialize into a particular niche of content.
2) make a list of all questlines which end awkwardly or which are in game bread crumbs for later game content which was either disappointing or not developed. there are fey dragons chanting and dancing in a fairies circle near tirisfal glades, and then was said to be because of a dead old god thing under the ground in legion. that is a crappy writing direction, instead embellish it to involve the emerald dream. take all these plot hooks and instead of trying to subvert them, try to embellish them into greater states of wonder instead of jadedness.
3) have the team rank the plot hooks by how much they would like to make content for them. if there is no passionate consensus then have every team member make 10 assets for their desired direction, whether it is an npc, item, quest line, or in game picturesque viewpoint, and have the team present one thing they made, starting with their favorite thing. so one person starts the presentation and shows their favorite creation, then the next person, and so on until it loops back to the first person, and then they show their seccond work, and so on.
4) choose which one to work on first by which vision makes them feel the most passion. and make one full piece of content. a dungeon with mobs and bread crumb quests leading to it.
5) test, ship, and repeat.
it should take 1 day to get 1 dungeon in a first draft state. you can embellish the first draft, or not. if you want an on then off cycle, you could make 5 dungeons with quests one week, and then you develop the content the seccond week. but you ship it all the third. if you want to put all teh attention into a boss, fine but make it cool and don't forget that the classic playerbase isn't as hardcore as the retail one.
this is especially important if you want people to be DISCOVERING things. you need to ship incomplete and unfinished content for people to discover.
there will be extra time, and during that you can fill in other content. create intriguing quests, which lead up to novel interactions in game. you can have a hutress say "sometimes i feel a demon is still stalking this forest" and then players have to go get mcguffins to activate the disclosure of world boss (basicly summoning it). once it is disclosed it goes on a rampage across the zone.
people have problems; the player could have a problem, the person they interact with could have the problem, or the institution they represent could have the problem. these plot strings can be used to embellish the world into a state of wonder. what is the problem and what zaney mcguffin will resolve it? will the cloaked demons be tempted from the shadows by gold or gore? will they be revealed by goblin telescopes? does it require the player to make a sacrifice, or do they need to gather bags of grissle and glory?
objectively the wow magic system is a mix of hard and soft magic. so you do write yourself into a corner if you say "goblin telescopes can see ashenvale demons". but it is still content which can be pushed. you can have some game devs workign on boss mechanics, with the bread crumb quests complete, and you have a npc model maker and one quest person just implement a good quest. and meanwhile the environmental artist could be skulpting caves for the next piece of content.
This is legitimately the worst UA-cam comment I think I've ever read. Congratulations.
I honestly feel like I'm on my own island when it comes to what I thought SoD was going to be, and I ended up dropping off fairly quickly because of it.
My impression based off how they presented it was that the game was going to be more about providing you the tools and flexibility to define your own playstyles, and allow players to kind of define the new meta. When they mentioned things like Rogue Tank, or Mage healer, my assumption was that those were "some" of the options, but universally we can piece together our own class to rebuild what it means to be a mage, or a rogue, and the runes were tools to facilitate that.
My take away from SoD after a few days was... its classic, but basically 90% of the runes are just imported skills that you already know from other eras of these classes/specs. The biggest reason I'm not playing WoW at all is generally just craving innovation, new fresh takes on the classes we've had for so long, so just getting Frost mage; but now with Ice lance was so underwhelming to me. I really feel like it would've been cool to lean more into the PoE/Rift concept of allowing some intermixing between the classes, so if you wanted to make a Tank Frost mage, and you could find the synergies to make it work, you 100% could.
Americans love shower beers. It's a weirdly good feeling drinking a beer after a long day in the shower. Kinda like beer and pizza just goes right together
Honestly phase 4 is my favorite so far, maybe the first phase hype was crazy but actually now that we know 60 is the limit and we are awaiting the old raids we love so much with our new abilities
Who are "we"? The 20% of players that are yet to quit or the 80% that already did?
@@Krulfar man, shut it. Obviously the we are the ones still playing. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
Obviously sod isn’t like retail. Retail is actually fun
Retail has actual thought put into the game
Retail has a dev team bigger than 3 people.... -_-u
@@raze667 Not an excuse imo, having less people if anything should make it easier to make good decisions and stick with a solid future plan.
i don't get these random retail comments, cool have fun with retail i guess. most classic players would just play another game instead of retail though, it's just very different.
lmao Retail players have brain rot if they claim that retail is fun...
For me personally i enjoyed classic and i enjoy sod and retail. Most people who complain are like madseason who are too old and should just embrace the fact they are old and everyone moved on.
Did Phase 4 Save Season of Discovery? - Guzu reacts
Keep up the great comments.
Brother, you need to try a shower-beer.
Hot day outside, you come back from a run or playing football with your mates and on the way to the shower you crack open a cold-one. That is peak summer feeling.
Phase 4 just feels lazy and yes the dungeon they added was meh a raid is a little more acceptable to re-use assets in terms of NPC’s because it’s so big, but they could have used one of the half finished areas to put it in which would excite the players
0:33 Don't you dare Diss my australian culture by talking down on Shower beers
Guzu is going to end up with some wow sub time on his chin from blowing blizzard for 20min straight.
3:51 that’s false. These transfers exist but for me I can’t use them. This happens also for many many other users e.g on Reddit. It seems blizzard randomly opens and closes these transfers but there is nothing to see if it’s available or not…. Bro like I want to play the game but I can’t transfer my character because it’s closed… straight up yapping
Well I am disapointed in sod as well really hard, it feels like retail minus instead of classic plus (that we expected and wanted), but before I will say anything further I am ok with them trying everything and I feel they do not try more things, it is seasonal testing field for future projects to see what works and what not and how people like it. What I wanted from sod to be was well season of DISCOVERY, I was hoping for not crazy changes into classes expect some tweeks here and there and buffs to classes/specs they needed it like druid overall, shadow priest, ret+prot pala and more. I wanted some changes to professions maybe so not everyone will be running arround with enginering. Some quality of life changes like warlock soul wells so I do not need to collect shards for hour before the raid and craft 40 healthstones before every boss after a wipe or mage tables... After that I wanted some changes to the world buffs, having them is fun and getting them feels like an RPG but die with world buffs is like you loose half of your gear -50% dps for some classes. Reworked PVP system because lets be honest with ourselfs bracket ranking is trash. After that I wanted new things to discover, new quests, story, zones, dungeons, raids, BGs. Go through the world and well play the game and enjoy it, instead of it we got homogenized gear, with classes/specs with 0 identity and game focused only on end game rush and catch up with making it raid lock out only and bunch of dailys to keep you log in every day. If this will be classic plus I will not play it even tho I play SOD on daily bases and again I will say I play it and wants them to test everything and will be happy part of that. But for me I do not think classic needs crazy changes, the game is great and even some bad stuff in the game makes it great on its own, we just need some new content to do in it. In the end I leaving this coment as not the hater but wow classic lover who wants maybe to leave his feedback or an opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree.
I want more early game changes. New quests, more locations for most if not all the runes, more solo-content in general.
I dont really care much for endgame to be honest with you.
It seems like ALOT of people totally ignore the fact that SoD is a test for devs to test the waters regarding what they can allow themselves to tingle with when they air the actual classic+
So many people seem so devoted to SoD and it's future not understanding that it's basically a beta leading into Classic+ which will probably hopefully give us the full Vanilla as it was meant to be in full glory with Karazhan and everything they skipped in order to make TBC.
Stopped playing last phase, hype was gone for me a long time ago and I've been playing actual era on a smaller server
SoD is super fun, phase 4 is the best phase yet
"update the meme specs so they are viable" cries in moonkin still suffering from this fake "utility tax" 😢
ngl heat leavel is one of the most, trash mechanics for the raid I ever saw, let us do attune instead of wearing bunch of enchants and like 1-2 fire ress gear pieces
That’s surprising. The Heat mechanic made it worthwhile to obtain the fire resistance gear which is something that they had obviously tried to make a thing in vanilla. So it actually is very much in the spirit of vanilla to make FR gear a thing. To me, as a tank, it has felt exactly like the normal gearing progression where you want to have an early FR set for Ragnaros. So I thought this was brilliant. Did I agree with the implementation of dailies and slightly upgradeable pieces for daily rewards? No, there is room for improvement. But I hope a classic+ in the future plays more with resistances. This was an underexplored aspect of vanilla because of warrior stacking and world buffs, and it is 100% in the spirit of vanilla to explore this.
@@manoqueenzsaying that adding difficulty levels is in the spirit of vanilla must be one of the wildest takes I've heard recently.
What killed sod, shaman phase 2 pvp, phase 3 shaman got stronger, raids got harder, both pve and pvp killed. Free transfers at 11 am on a wednesday for 30 minutes on rapidly dying pvp servers made people even more mad. Phase 4 didn't kill anything, it was phase 3.
I used to like this guys videos. Now he just sounds like he's slightly depressed and super glass half empty.
The terrible attempt at comedy too :|. Don't like it? Don't play. Simple.
Keep up the good stuff Guzu.
wait you didnt like the vegan joke that wouldn't have been topical in 2004?
I I subbed to him a few weeks ago it is basically the same video over and over
@@kaischoneweiss if it gets your panties in such a bunch, why do you watch?
The reason why the realms arent low is because the bot hunters are still farming brd
Imma be real, this random youtuber saying the game is dead changes nothin for me. Imma keep playin my rogue and having fun 😂
Totally agree. All you can eat Veggie Pizzas can't be that unpopular?
Naah I dont like it when they re-use assest but I dont mind them re-using assets in a new dungeon/raid.
We just want classic it looks to much like retail we just want the old vanilla dungeons nothing new.
But some new zone with a new dungeon or raid would be amazing, so long you aint re-use assets.
Ye ... im not so sure if he took time to read his script or to double check his edited video cause it didnt make much sense to me.
I dont get these folks who makes videos about how "dead" wow is, its one of the most talked things about wow righ now. I would love less people, less people gives oldshool vibes, i actually ran into someone i seen before, witch made me love sod, i have a nemesi named kekyoudie, i hope he dont quit..
ALWAYS DRINK BEER IN THE SHOWER!!
He wants Classic+ and Blizzard gave us Classic Safe™,
Classic wow needs fresh lvling dungeons, not raid versions of existing content
I try to xfer my alts on living flame and it says free but nothing comes up. That’s 3 50s gone to waste on horde so now I’m on a 42 pally on wild growth. I wanted to take a break not start over again ffs!
Idk if i can watch Guzu if he doesn't know what a shower beer is
It would have saved it for me if they would have gone back to 10man raids
Say you dont like classic without saying you dont like classic ;)
@@mavenema1 I loved classic. I played all the 40man raids back then when I had the time for it. Now I have a family, a full time job and not the energy to manage guild and raid invites.
I didn't say that they should go to 10man, just that I would have prefered it.
SoD is to play the game in a different way, and I loved raiding with my small group of ingame friends in bfd.
@@Thantaros85 You can like join a guild and be a normal member, you dont have to raidlead etc.
@@mavenema1 and you can accept that I would have liked 10man more. I don't need advise about a game I have played for over 15 years.
his video is made on purpose like that soo we he can get more mad comments and get abit more trendy. :D
Metagoblin is hate farming. Dude actually made a video asking viewers if they would prefer videos about how bad sod is or how good sod is. I started watching his original content in 2019 but his views have dropped and he's blaming blizzard for it. I never expected SoD to be some amazing version of the game. The devs are creating on the fly and it was obvious as soon as P1. Anyone still making videos complianing about it are simply farming hate views and i unsubbed from their channels. If they cant create content for this then i dont want to watch their content in the future. He did well during classic because he already knew everything. The game was figured out years ago. Now that its new and things are different he doesnt want to be wrong about something so he doesnt make content. Its cowardly
playing wow for almost 20 years like most of us n i never ever had any problem with communitie. idk why ppl dont want to raid with guild where they can play how ever they like....but instead they choose toxic pugs n they cry...
I don't know what happened, maybe they don't feel comfortable with how Cata population feels, but WillE's and Metagoblin's last few videos about SoD have felt like essays from those Reddit complainer Andys that are pulling at strings to convince people their version of WoW is better.
Idk man I've met toxic people but mostly it seems like specially well leveling people are pretty damn cool
SoD have become Retail- instead of Classic+.
Phase 4 is packed
'i don't get what he wants'
i don't know what HE wants but here are some things i was expecting:
- new abbilities which weren't from later expansions.
- new dungeons and raids which weren't from later expansions
- no changes to the core game design, no putting world bosses in instances. if a piece of content is designed to be interacted with in a specific way, it should stay being interacted with in that way.
- if new class specs were to be added they would be tactful and fir the world; healing mages should have made sense. also classes should have had their designs fixed a bit for better class immersion.
the dungeon added was fine, but if they were going to add something that sloppy they should have added more of them. there was a cowboy themed dungeon in mulgore that was cut from vanilla. they shoudl have added that back in as well. they also should have added in a RFC equivalent in telldrassil.
if you want to make a super simple dungeon with no boss mechanics, that is fine, but it needs to be longer.
why?
content gets exhausted in respect to the difficulty and length. if you aren't going to have special abilities, then there is no replay value. if there is no replay value then people only go through it once per account. in darkshore there could have been a dungeon to go into the troll villiage which you fly over. you could have it have 0 mechanics, and it would be okay content. you could put in one giant mechanic similar to the rivendale prissoner, have the players have to kill enemies to reduce suspicion, and if the suspicion meter maxes out the whole instance pulls at once onto you. and if you dont want the dungeon itself to have mechanics, then you need to have interesting enemies with a minimum of one mechanic per enemy.
so if they want to just make low creativity content, then they should have made like 30-60 more dungeons, at least one for each zone. if they dont want to do that much environment crafting, then they need to go more on new inspire mechanics. i personally like the dragonflight flying mechanics. having one of the docks on thunderbluff allow you to jump off with a glider, and have it be a copy paste of dragon flying but within mulgore, you could have high scores and leader boards. then duplicate it off of telldrassil, and you have a a fun minigame for each faction. there is low creativity because copy pasting a game system is similar to copypasting an abbility, but part of what makes the vanilla people themselves is disliking the direction the game went. having a pvp minigame with you flying a glider into updrafts, isn't in line with what mechanics were available in vanilla but it was in line with the theme of you just being some random person.
and giving players a goblin 'air-lymp-ics', (cause you limp if you land wrong) would be fun and novel. and if you put something into classic first, and then bring it forward into retail, there would be less blowback.
but they needed to do a lot more for sod to be a season of discovery. they needed to make content to discover. adding a meatball to the end of MC was, almost okay, but the implementation was bad. they shoudl have not had hydraxian waterlords help like they did. what they should have done if they wanted to have the meatball was go full indiana jones. the ball erupts phase one you damage it, then it rolls down the spiral on the ground forcing parties to jump into the lava, then instead of exiting the cave allong the spiral it dives into the lava and goes back to the center, while in the lava section of the spiral it massively heals up and rolls back into position. then it allows you to repeat damaging it, and as you damage it it grows, and like a cell splits in two. when it hits the same threshold again both balls chase after the players who have to lava jump out of the boss room. when the balls exit the room, they merge again and lock onto a random player, then the ball starts chasing this player around the instance. if the ball hits a player, that player dies. players have sped up casting (similar to bwl boss 2). players have to kite the boss while damaging it, and figure out what ways they can control it's targeting. how do they get it to stop going after one target?
see if they had put in an extra boss and it was really awesome, then people would want to play it. but this is anticlimatic. the molten core shouldn't be an after rag boss, because rag is the climax. and also they probably should have made it harder to trigger. i think they should have expanded the raid zone so you would have to go down a lava river or lava waterslide or something novel.
and if they wanted to just pack on an extra little surprise they should have made it nice- it shouldn't have made the game worse. making a bunch of little dungeons and caves which would expand the world and give more content variety for partial parties and for parties would have been great if they made the amount of content large. but as they choose to make less and less content, the quality of the content needs to increase.
what they did instead was add in content in the style of retail which made the rest of the content worse. putting the waterlord guys in the final fight, makes the entire plot arc worse. meanwhile if they made it so once you killed the molten core they appeared in the front of the instance and you could turn in stuff so you didn't ahve to go to bumfuck nowhere azshara, that actually would be okay.
getting rid of time killers which do give imersion but not much would be understandable. it would be less immersion breaking if every 2 hours the water lord guy spawns in redridge and slowly makes his way into burning steppes. killing stuff all the way. and then he is just in the zone killing other hostiles and wandering until he dies and returns to the elemental plane.
but you need quantity, or quality or a mix. you can't just put in a couple low quality changes which detract from the game. or a large number of things which just detract.
Metagoblin is way off base with this one. His bias against SoD is showing on full display. He says he speaks for the people but then criticizes parts of Phase 4 people like.
I agree the logs don't really show the true story, I had 8 alts that I raided every lockout in phase 1, but only 2 characters made it to 50 and I only have my shaman at 60. I also agree with your take on pretty much all of the video lol. Also, I think the ele sham buttons are super fun to press lately.
Logs do show the true tendency of the game if you actually read the graph. Even if people had alts they didn't raid with them the first week/s and as you say, in phase 3 most people already had no alts or had the same as now and still the numbers are less than half for the first two weeks. And phase 3 was massively disliked and phase 4 was supposed to bring tons of people back being the true endgame.
@@Krulfar That's not what I said and you missed the point. I did have an alt at 50, it was my warlock that I raided with every week. The point is that MANY people gave up on alts over the phases and that is part of the reason why there is such a huge drop from phase 1 to 4. It is not the only reason, but it is a bigger part of the reason than you're giving it credit for.
@@vgullotta learn to read a graph this is so tiring
@@Krulfar don't reply then if it's so tiring lol, it would be less tiring if you were correct FYI XD
Metagoblin sucks. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
"i dont know what he wants from SoD" - i think he just wants to make videos to comnplain and put sponsors in.
classic britt complaining about stuff he dont understand lol
That's a fair point. Everyone and their mother "raided" BFD.
I do agree they kind over homogenized the classes in SoD. I want them to keep the paladin changes though. But like... why did hunters get Kings+200atp?
Metagoblin is just trash CC
Idk I kind of agree with the guy. I expected completely new dungeons and raids. There's that word expectations...blizzard does a terrible job of limiting expectations. I'm trying to think how to put it. If Blizzard told you sod was gonna be normal classic but with "new" raids in existing dungeons. I think most people aren't exactly hyped at the sound of that. Sod as a whole seems half assed on purpose to get subscriptions for as long as they can trickle little phase updates. Almost everything in sod is reused. It just feels lazy compared to what it could of been with the old vanilla but with all brand new dungeons and raids. I doubt it's the devs fault, probably higher up decisions that force them to reuse everything and limit anything new to limit cost. Where you lie on this I think depends on how happy you were originally to play another classic wow experience with no changes. I for one was not gonna play another classic experience unless there was a lot of new content and that's where most of my disappointment comes from.
They literally hinted at raids being in Gnomer and Scarlet in the hype video, and revealed BFD at the event. Let them cook FFS. Negative Nancy energy is on high around here.
This guy is just a clown with doomer takes. Half of his arguments are defeated by himself.
I think SoD is great for what it is.... an experimental verison of the game that slowly evolves. I also agree that using stuff like wowlogs is a bad way to judge the population and activity of a server.... not everyone will DL the addon or upload their data. Many casual players won't bother, and casual players are atleast half the game. But SoD tried to be like a vanilla+ with alot of changes to make it feel different...... the rune system seems to work well, even if some are seen as too good. IT also allows stuff like shaman tanks which is amazing. Gear itemization is way better too..... they try to combine stuff like melee and spell crit, or hit, or haste. Same with +spell damage and +healing together on gear, instead of just one or the other. This is a huge help for hybrid dps that might need both melee and spell stats like hit or crit.
That's not true. Using wcl to get an exact number of players is stupid but it's a great tool to see tendencies. All you are commenting is true both now and in phase 1 so the fact that it shows 80% less raiders now means the playerbase has reduced heavily.
Also, I don't know whatbare you smoking but the addition of new roles in classes is widely disliked and the rune system is widely considered too much.
its august who plays games now
Sod is dog chit. No effort no difficulty loot simulator for dads all around. Yaaaaaaay so fun
P4 is doodoo. I cleared, i quit.
I Think This guy missed the idea of SoD… its a SEASONAL server ik CLASSIC wow. Hes rating it as its actually full classic+ game
@@crableproductions5112 yes but u Can’t have classic+ without classic
It's literally stated to be a classic+ ptr. So of course people will treat it as such and talk about what they would like or dislike to see in classic+
Like, they have said they are gonna create a new raid. FFS, he is so goddamned negative, and he knows it gets him more clicks. It is tiring at some point. I cringe when I hear that voice.
I havent raided yet
They did it on purpose, last thing they wanted was for SOD to succeed and take players away from upcoming expansion which required huge investment. They did the same with each phase release, most recently the one before cata launch.
Friendly reminder that logged raids on WCL is a heavily flawed metric due to the fact that a) a person raiding on two chars will be counted twice and b) it does not account for 3 vs 7 day lockout. This statistic does NOT show you the actual population of the game.
It should go without saying that it is expected to see A LOT more raids being logged during phase 1, with level 20 raids being easily accessible for alts, compared with level 60 in phase 4. Add the 7 day lockout from MC compared to 3 days BFD on top of that and you have this non representative shit statistic that every content creator abuses for clicks. And don't even get me started on the fact that people need to farm fire res gear for heat 2/3, which makes it even less likely to have raids logged on alt chars as you simply have to spend more time on your main.
That's so cool until you actually read the graph and realizes that raid participation is still less than half of phase 3 (lv50, weekly lockout, overall disliked) while phase 4 was supposed to bring a lot of people back being the true endgame
@@Krulfar As I said, can't compare those^^ People do have way less raid ready characters in p4 than they did ever before. In previous phases all you needed was, well, gear from previous phases. Level char to current max -> raid. Now it's level to max -> gear up -> raid.
@@akitos6413 in phase 3 you also didn't have two weeks to prepare before the raid released. You only address the data that interests you, keep coping.
@@Krulfar I don't need to cope. My server is packed with multiple layers active 24/7. You can find groups for every dungeon at any time. I played throughout phase 3 and during the last months of it we had just 1 layer which was rather empty. It's noticable that the game is a lot more active and no, that's not cope. Fact is, unless Blizzard decides to make player numbers publicly available, we just don't know. Logged raids is not a viable metric by any means for various reasons.
@@akitos6413 There are ways to see how many people are in a chat channel at one time, using a data broker, and that gives you a pretty decent estimate on population, by looking at LFG, trade, etc, over time for a server. Broker everything is the addon nd then you choose the chat channels module, and you can have it output to either a display like titan panel, or to a minimap button.
let every WoW die and give us WoW2
You might as well wish in one hand and shit in the other, pal..
God you guys are huffing copium big fucking time, MOVE ON ALREADY.
What is all these dooming content about SOD? I think its great, they shouldnt fix everything so that everybody can have everything at the beginning. E.g. getting raid mats from the dungeon coins is just bad. Why does nobody wants to have progress over a longer duration? Bring back 40 man raids!
Good Old Guzu, as much as I like your content but I feel like you should avoid reacting to WoW critics content cause most of the time you end up looking like you're just shiling for blizzard so hard which is a bad look.
Everytime someone point out weaknesses or bad systems in classic, SoD, vanilla you always defend it so hard.
No matter what any content creator says, you'll always just defend the game
Classic+ should be hard as fuck. Balanced. Raids shouldn’t be complete by everyone until the end of the phase. Loot should matter, revered / exalted grinds should matter. Not free everything for everyone for no effort it’s pathetic. I don’t care about your limited time go play retail
Classic gameplay isnt supposed to be hard, it should feel rewarded by your time invested. And that doesnt atm. If you want to play hard raids and gameplay, then go play retail. Dont expect something big from a classic team with a bunch of 5 people.
Brain rot comment. Vanilla was never hard and was never meant to be hard. If you want hard content go retail.
yeah this is how metagoblin has always been with any vidoes he makes, he contridicts his own statments half way through his videos. Part of why i downvote his videos and dont suscribe
People complained way too much about nightmare incursions but what was the alternative? Just grinding the same dungeon over and over and over and over again? I'll say it wasn't the greatest but people have to remember this is a testing ground and they need to stop being so negative about every little thing it's quite cringe like go take ur depression meds lmao.
alternative was make an experience buff to quests only to make it semi competitive with dungeon spam as well as add hyperspawns for quest mobs
So funny that you don't see questing as an alternative. Instead of nerfint dungeon spamming they made an even worse system that also eliminated pre-bis farming and fucked the economy forever. Problem solved I guess.
I think they lost the classic vanilla players with all the changes. I don't know if it's cause the devs listen to the wrong vocal minority or they just dont understand what makes vanilla so damn good.
Yeah, it's seasonal but it's a bad direction for classic + imo.
The majority of paying customers do not want hard content in vanilla. Some speed run for the challenge but most just wanna chill, kill bosses and get loot with their pals.
I think they could of made it a challenge by making a timer to finish the raid like a speed run or an extra loot box vanishes.
just a thought but most do not like vanilla raids messed with mechanically. I think it's why som failed.
Hate to say it but a lot of streamers/youtubers are clueless too. They just play whatever is getting them views anyhow.
It's both listening to the loud people and survivor bias. They keep listening to the people that still play not realizing that at this point those are the people that would never quit instead of listening to the people that quit to know why.
Shitting on sod=the new cool thing+views, shit if you say sod around staysafe he literally blows up then tells you to go play on deviate delight and to buy merch from their site or else. The people that are acting like era purists are literally farming viewers for money acting like their trying to lead the community in the right way. Fuck em all and do what you feel is fun for you. SoD is fun for me so I'm going to play it. When its not fun I'm not going to play it. This is a very simple concept, but its turned into if you have the opposite view point then you're wrong and the abuse begins.
we all know blizz drones eat whatever slop they put out, you don't need to advertise that fact.
Phase 4 is epic, sod is great. Cata is trash
its almost like a bunch of conservative overweight nerds dont know whats good for them (the wow player base)
Living flame eu seems alive many dungeon raid pugs h2 h3 alive econmy i dont understsnd youtubers try to kill and call is it dead? Not dead yet? Surely will dead? Contents this is getting annoying asf
Retail is literally empty during the prepatch. SoD wins again
Source: i made it the fk up
Have you at least played it? Or just lying for fun?
retail is so empty that the prepatch event made the servers shit themselves from all the people trying to play
Meanwhile in season of dead, i cant find a single dungeon group below level 55
That's why during the prepatch retail servers crashed from the amount of people logging on compared to.. SoD. Cope all you want lmfao
Community ideas making the game better? The reason why modern wow is so bad is due to the community ideas dating back to tbc haha
Heroics are too hard
We need to be able to queue for dungeons and raids
Gemming, enchanting and reforging gear is bad
We need meaningless welfare epics that we are never going to remember
Remove all the stats from the game so items may as well just say “player power”
You should timegate flying so we can discover the world
Wait, why is flying timegated again?
Bring back world PvP!
Omg I can’t do anything in the world without getting ganked! Give us an option to toggle PvP on and off and make the world feel dead
The list goes on unfortunately…
6:34 No, they literally couldn't. They stated that they weren't able to create anything "new" because they can't use the art team lol. They only just got permission to use the art team for BWL/AQ40 etc., but the meatball was a consequence of that.
I like metagoblin, but this is just seriously trying to find problems. The dungeon was good for what they COULD DO, the new boss was good for what they COULD DO. I don't like defending Blizzard, but I'm not going to give them unfair treatment due to bias.
It's not biased to think that fun was drained from sod
@@cslyng It's definitely bias to omit facts and turn them into opinions stated as facts