Yes! I don't know why they didn't use it properly, guess he's to old for new tech (probably can't use all the features on a smart phone/tablet either 😂😂).
STOP IT!!!, the toyota fan boys still think points and fuel injection is not going to be any good at all we will all be going back to points in a few years.
Like I always said, Ford have always been known for their comfort. You need to be comfortable while you wait for the tow truck and I talk from experience! 😂
@@Bigsoot7393 It can gain power pretty easy seeing as it is massively detuned out of the factory whereas the Ford can’t gain much without adding reliability issues. That’s why showing factory figures is moot on a vehicle that will get tuned
People saying “let’s see the ranger in 5 years time” my current ranger is 2012 5cyl manual with nearly 300,000 on it, abused everyday for work with a canopy full of tools and ladders on the roof etc and hasn’t missed a beat, ordered a new wildtrak last month seeing as current one has been pretty reliable
They def for the long road, dont like to much obstacles, I just widened by back and wow makes such a big difference, she feels super straight, fallen in love all over again, she a 2010 76, cheers legends
It's good to hear from someone who appreciates a manual. I don't care if I can take off from a set of lights in the city while eating a pie. When I'm driving the vehicle, that's what I'm concentrating on. It's a good feeling to take off gently, make nice gentle gear changes and be in complete control of the vehicle
Actually drove about halfway up North with a few engineers from Ford and they were in a Ranger and Everest. Was quite impressed with the power they have and fuel economy although I was fully loaded for the Cape. Doing a pull from 80km the Ranger did pull away and my 76 has 185kw and 580nm with 35s. It was also interesting on the last stop we went a pub and it was very interesting getting feedback from rhe guys that were part of its development. They did mention a couple of things with sensors they will update for the next model.
I really appreciate that ford re invented the dual cab ute segment and that's why If you are a Toyota guy just wait for the next gen Hilux it will be pretty close on the spec to be competitive
@@simmo6035technically ford ranger and mazda BT-50 is the first to have a 3500kg brake towing capacity and 800mm wading depth and a rear diff lock as standard and the first to have a dual climate control and electric power seat and 7 airbags not to mention 5 star ncap rating back in 2012 then Holden Colorado,isuzu Dmax Toyota Hilux and Mitsubishi triton and Nissan navara.
I’d honestly take the ranger. But I got a question for you graham, you would take the 79 because parts are readily available, but with the big Y62, are parts for that readily available? I only ask this because if they aren’t, then what’s the difference between the ranger and the Y62?
That’s a fair point to call out, however the Y62 came out years ago (google is saying Feb 2013), so your comparing a vehicle that’s been around for just over a decade to a vehicle that’s only just been released last year. Potentially a strong point you made but time is it’s factor of proving grounds.
@@Jayden.Dean25 If that’s a punch to the next gen ranger that’s a fair point, not a good start for them. Even the px3 had many issues with 10speed auto system. I would pick my PX2 ranger, already got proven designs and simple enough to work with in a pinch.
All depends how much you trust your vehicle and how you maintain it. 3 weeks ago I did a outback nsw run from Sydney. 3500 km round trip including 1500 km outback dirt road. And I did it with my trusty 2006 nissan xtrail which got 292000 km on clock.
Whilst I am a huge fan of the Ranger. I would take the 79 for reliability and proven longevity. Because I want to go remote. I also believe re-sale would be better on the Toyota. Ironically I have a Ranger and a Landrover both with Ford Engines - one recently replaced. Great Video Guys!!
Whatta load of bullshit Toyotas break down more than any other vehicles how did ya get to that conclusion?. Go read the Ranger forums & read all the horror stories about engine & gearboxes letting go.
@@miki_bukovica5883have you ever own a Land Cruiser? I Offroad with jeeps, patrols, land rovers, Mitsubishis, Toyotas usually never breaks, compared to other brands, jeeps breaks a lot, I just came home from a 100kilometers 4LO only trip, no issues, jeep broke front differential, Mitsubishi front drive shaft
Ford's V6 is the same engine as the F-150 in the US, designed in 2004. Tried and tested already. The rest of the ranger was designed in Australia and has a proven record already.
With the Ranger becoming one of the top selling 4WDs in Australia I would be surprised if it is hard to get spare parts when you break down - even in remote areas. The Ford Ranger is as popular as the Hilux or Landcruiser these days as far as I can tell.
yeah theyre popular but the new ranger is a new platform, with new engine options, transmistions ( kinda), and electrical systems. a 79 is a well known and established platform that most if not all mechanics and techs have some experience in with simple systems and procedures. if you breakdown or have a drama just about anywhere you can take it into a workshop and the techs will know most common faults, i cant say the same about a ranger and many of the new dual cabs as theyre updated alot more regularly.
As someone who fixes cars for a living good fkn luck getting parts for any car 😂 popularity just means more common breaking parts are on back order or need to be sent in from somewhere else
If I was going to the middle of bloody nowhere, I would take the 79. It’s the most common vehicle here and would be easier to fix and find spare parts.
Ranger has 2” lift and 33” Cruiser has 3” and 35s”??? Also last time I looked the Ranger has a longer wheelbase and wider track compared to the 79. So technically it’s a bigger vehicle?
i have to go with the ranger. been driving one since they came out and i love all the tech in them. my favorite thing is when towing my camper trailer it's a breeze
Safety has to be the number 1 priority for me when my family is on board touring Australia towing our van. We have a next gen V6 and its been a great thing for us, comfortable, powerful and is economical to run.
Man I’ve done serious time in Toyotas - we run 79’s at work and have done round Oz twice in shorty 40s including the CSR. Drove a mates 76 back from Hedland to the east coast via the Nullarbor in 21. It’s a no brainer for me, I’d take that Ranger anyday and happily risk breakin down in comfort 🤘🤘
Surely with the 20K you would spend on the 79 to make it comfortable etc.. You could buy some Ranger spares before going bush. To me it sounds like the Ranger is the the pick no mater what. Hey Graham, how does the Ranger compare to your Y62?
I’m taking a 200 series which gives you the reliability and spare parts support of the 79 with more comfort than either. In fact I did. I admit they are completely different vehicles and 200 series is no longer available, but the current options all leave me a bit cold for the reasons you stated. Between the two, it has to be the Ranger. The 79 is crude even after spending the whole new cost of the vehicle again in modifications.
@@nathantyrrell1679 there is nothing wrong with a back-up plan just in case. 😄 Having said that, I mention mainly because this comparison referred to it as a positive for the Toyota. I’ve never needed to utilise that network and I’m not convinced you’ll need it for the Ranger either.
Unfortunately to turn a 200 into the touring rigs as shown it needs to be chopped and that's expensive, yeah sure you can tour out of a wagon but its not as easy when compared to a canopy. Did they ever release the 200 as a dual cab from factory
@@Sh1tstir we’ve found the wagon well fitted out suits us for touring well but I can see why twin cabs with canopy are popular. But if you look at the cost of trying to make the 79 comfortable converting a 200 starts to look cheap. Plenty of people end up spending $80 - $90 grand getting the dream 79 series together on top of the purchase price.
Just took new Wildtrack down to the Eyre Peninsular, Flinders, Innaminka, Broken Hill, Menindee and back to Sydney. 9500km in 4 weeks. Plenty of gravel and softer side tracks including a number of 4wd tracks in Merna Mora, Moolooloo and Arkaroola stations. A few minor issues but generally a dream to drive. Always plenty of power and terrific control on steeper, tighter tracks. Big tick in the box from me.
Personally I’d say give the ranger a go, because we’re never going to know how reliable it is if it’s not tested, as well as that in quite a few of the 4wd247 videos and from other sources, the trips the 79’s have done, they’ve performed well but also still have issues the same as other vehicles. So I’d say if you really worried about breaking down and not having parts to fix the issue the 79’s the way but I really think the ranger should be given a chance because from what I’ve seen on the street there’s already quite a few out there. I think it really comes down to personal preference and what you really want from a vehicle out of the box.
Then again, it's a Ford. At least where I'm from, in terms of reliability and maintenance, no doubt I'd go with the Toyota if given the choice. Ford vehicles aren't bad per se, just that looking after them and being confident in them all the time is particularly harder to do, not to mention Ford parts are much more expensive and harder to source outside the US than 'Yota parts.
79 series clutch is terrible from factory. These days parts can be flown in quickly with Sparesbox etc. And they will give you a list of parts to take with you to the cape.
@@kylebutler7142you guys can't have it both ways, claim they're reliable whilst at the same time applauding a good dealer network so parts are readily available from either the dealer network or aftermarket parts suppliers. Do you comprehend the contradiction here? If reliable, why the hell does sparesbox have a ready to go pack of spares for them, haha 😂 I twas a fanboy, owned one and absolutely learnt to despise the bloody thing. Thank Christ for GU Patrols.
@@ianweal3081 A car can be reliable i.e. starts every time, gearbox fine etc but you break a shaft on a gnarly climb or because you encounter a situation where you have to give it the lead boot. That’s a reliable vehicle where spare parts are needed. Unreliable is where something shits itself because is unhappy with its sensors and goes repeatedly into limp mode. You can have it both ways, you just need to think harder.
Coming from a 75 driver. I love taking the 75 on big trips but I wish it had more power and space inside the cab so I would definitely buy a 79 if I had the money for it. Also solid front axles are fantastic on rough roads and can take so much more abuse and can fit bigger tyres without worrying about snapping cvs.
I really liked this comparison it was interesting to see what other people thought, but… I’m going 79 every day of the week and twice on Sundays. They are reliable, they look amazing. Not that comfortable, but com’n be a man. Most importantly they are reliable, will get you out of anywhere you put it, and spare parts are everywhere. Anyway that’s just my opinion.
This video really showed how bad the 79s are at everything but driving down a dirt road 😂 even then I’d still take the ranger cause I’m sure as hell it’s comfort
Ranger makes 79 look stupid. Interior and infotainment is far superior and it even has factory cup holders! Fuel economy, 10 speed automatic, etc. Will be interesting to see if it proves reliability. Cheaper to set up Ranger for touring. Better Safty features for the family. Less driver fatigue due to comfort. You don’t have to spend $30 k on performance upgrades. 2” lift and tyres then good to go.
Who cares, lets just get out and enjoy the country 👍 I actually like them both. I recently bought my first 79 (brand new) and I love it. I would love the Ford as well 👍.
I love the Ford as well against all odds I'd take it willing with open arms👍 but overall everyone loves different utes/bakkies, i believe they all are capable in their own way
Fuel consumption and comfort is a big part of ownership for me, as is the propensity for any of the dual cabs to have their chassis do the banana when loaded close to limits, towing, on rough roads. Im critical of this review because both vehicles were modified and these questions weren't answered.
I wouldn’t call 184kw and 600nm for the Ranger and 151kw and 430nm for the 79 Series similar power figures. The outputs from the V8 are a joke. The 4 cylinder Hilux produces 150kw and 500nm.
Would love to see the build sheet and price of the 2 vehicles. That 79 would be a good 50k more expensive than the ranger all done. Ill take my ranger any day over the 79
@@troymarshall3621Interesting, the review clearly didn't indicate your optimistic opinion here, in all aspects the ranger shit on it. Only thing Toyota was praised for is supposed reliability, and if that was the case, why the hell do you care if there's a dealer or spares available, possibly because they're not as claimed. Hmm!! Aside from the claimed reliability, if you do operate a 70 series Toyota, I feel for you, the fatigue from driving one would be horrendous.
@@danielking5194 oh my dear chap, I so desperately wanted one, hence purchased one, owned it just shy of 3 years hence the fatigue comments from driving one. Very experienced on that front. Sold it, as I learnt to despise the bloody thing. Certainly no wish to ever have another one. If I can save one young fella from going into debt purchasing one of these absolutely over rated truly useless truck, well I've done my job. I gladly opted out of the hype surrounding them. So you're wrong, I don't want one and are justifiably experienced to point out their short comings.
@Ian Weal your a goose mate iv got 100 series 105 79 and 300 series and I'm taking my 79 over them and anything else in remote touring also I'm towing a 23ft lotus the ranger wouldn't even be able pull that out of my drive way😆
Ranger might be the same price range as 79, but 79 the 30-40k mods to get it set up. Plus the extreme Tojo parts pricing .Save your money try new tech, Glad someone has put there hand up to equalise the touring industry. 😊😊😊
I had a touring Ford Ranger setup, got rid of it and now have a modified 79.... Why did I go to the 79 from the Ranger...? Reliability...! The Ranger did good by me, but it was a 2016 model and things started to go on it... I basically couldn't trust it. I had a 1991 Hilux dual cab for 30 years, I'd trust the old Hilux over a newer 4x4 like the Ranger... 79 series, It's not as comfy as the Ranger... But way more fun to drive...!
Used to have a ranger was a good car then it started to have some problems rear diff/ tail shaft/ injectors on the way out few other little bits. Got over it so bought a 76 series landcruiser yes you have to spend money on them BUT for me building it up and making it my own has been fun. Plus every time I drive it it puts a smile on my face
That engine and gearbox is out of the F150 in America and there are many examples of it with a few hundred thousand kms on it. It’s not a new engine it’s actually been around for many years.
Ranger any day of the week, and I'm an Amarok guy (I'd like to see that comparison!). The 79 is big, heavy, agricultural and thirsty. I get the reliability thing and parts availability, but with all the other cons of the Ranger, I'd be happy to sit and wait for parts if that ACTUALLY eventuated.
Ranger all day any day I have had my px3 new since 2021 already put 60000km on it spent about 35000 towing my 3 ton van took it to the cape last year nt the year before has not missed a beat.
Question for 4WD. Why am I not seeing many videos of Graham and Sean on the trails together anymore. I enjoyed watching the humor between you two. I'm kinda missing it lol.
That young bloke absent is the reason I'm watching. Plus Grahams solo stuff in the Y62. Yeah some comedy was great but the young guy was too much with the banter. Over did it
I've already got a go anywhere vehicle. If you ask me and my present rig was a factor, I would pick the ranger every day. But that pedigree is something you can't overlook. I would still take the Ranger. It is a tough choice to make.
Why do you think the solid axle is a plus? Just strength? Usually Jeep guys like it for traction and flex, but the 79 doesn’t have flex without some serious suspension work. It’s definitely a downside on the road. IFS handles so much better, and in this company, flex is the same.
@ExpatonTwoWheels it's a week link, CV axles are not as strong. Unless you plan on throwing gobs of money at them. So for remote reliabilit, I have a preference for solid axles. I own one of each. One is awesome on the highway and higher speed off road, the other is just more fun to drive. To each their own. I'd take the 79 because they are just cool! And I like solid axles.
Graham and Shawn have just done in Simpson in the farm truck and old patrol I think and have don't the cape again reopening a old track in the daintree should have a few things coming from what I've seen on Instagram but not to much on the 4wding and the tracks haven't been to interesting recently
Good to know, just got my 2022 ranger last week, took it out on the beach and it drove so much better than my old ranger, turning on 4L turned off all the sensors and she just cruised along
you get "engine braking" when selecting "tow mode" in the ranger and you can disable the sensors as well through the same mode selector. I knew without watching this Toyota was always going to win, amusing he drives a Isuzu D-MAX and talks about parts availability as for the justification though.
Would have to be the Ranger for me and that's from someone who hates Fords. Mainly that is down to the V6 and autobox combo. However, if it were an option I would go with the Land Rover Defender 130 modded with an auto slapped in it.
I do Safaris as a tour guide in Africa. With the kind of terrain we have in the game parks, you more than 100% need a vehicle with as few computer controlled parts as possible. The 79 is what you would call a bullet proof vehicle. Everything on this vehicle may die but as long as the engine keeps running, it will take you home
Hopefully this is a conversation and comparison that can be spoken of in 10 or 15 years time. The 79 has the runs on the board, however the Ranger is a great looking and great performing unit too. It needs time to prove it's value. For those reasons I would choose the 79.... but that's just my opinion.
IMO go the 76 it has a slightly larger cab and coil front end so its a lot smother i have the 75 and DAMN being on leafs is harsh when i save the money gonna drop a few K on parabolic springs.
As a rule I would never have a series 1 anything until it has been proven but I get to drive a v6 ranger regularly and I would happily take one over the over priced farm truck anyday
I have owned both of these and i would take my 79series out remote touring over the ranger. Ranger is great for touring with a caravan where supplies and parts are close by. As far as off roading goes, less moving parts in a 79series more simiple and rugged. Itll get me home. I also think the panels on a 79series would take more to damage. The ranger is better for the more extreme off road but less remote, more electronics more moving parts. Front diff lock would be a game changer
This style of Ranger has been around since 2012 with the advent of the PX2, so I feel that the latest is more of a development in progress than completely new so spares are probably not such an issue as made out.
Coming on 10 months of ownership on the new Ranger and it’s been through towing, various offroad challenges and day-to-day commutes. Not an issue, reliable and a pleasure to drive. Still early days, but earlier signs are good. What a rig.
Didn't you watch the video? Very self explanatory if you did, they aren't as capable as one desires them to be. I owned a 76 series, trust me, if I didn't have diff locks it would have been super incapable. I learner to despise it over time, thank Christ GU Patrols were still available to replace the bloody thing. Both operators agreed the ranger was better on the true off road section, better at touring, better at towing.
That’s your opinions yes a lot of people say that 79’s a no good but to the 79’s are my dream 4wd and yes I did watch the video and then even though, as said the Ranger Graham said the 79 and I agree with Graham and the 79’s do sound good
I think the 79 would be more stable if you used the Portal axles from marks 4wd adaptors. you get beter clearance even under the pumpkins and the original steering geometry. $24,000 though
You can’t pass a cruiser. Graham said it perfectly. There and back. Parts are everywhere and that’s if something breaks not when. And anyone mentioned the disco motor in the ranger 😂. Discovery’s are very reliable…
Great video, whilst I understand your decision graham for selecting the 79 wouldn’t all your tripping around in the y62 conflict with your comments. Also, whilst the 79 and wildtrack would cost similar from new and had similar $$$ spent on tray, bodies bars winches etc, how much over and above that was spent to make the 79 more comfortable and improve drive ability. I am not knocking your choice, if I was being given a choice and gifted one, I would have picked the 79, however I have bought the wildtrack and will see how I go out bush. Keep up the great work.
Hey Graham could you make another video explaining and going through testing good vehicles for beginners and even in a different video OT would be cool to soo you build up a Lil Suzuki seirra ute and even a Brumby. -Ryan,love your video.
Put the ranger in towing mode and engine braking is done for you, also the OFFROAD modes in the ranger disables all the sensors for you
Yes! I don't know why they didn't use it properly, guess he's to old for new tech (probably can't use all the features on a smart phone/tablet either 😂😂).
STOP IT!!!, the toyota fan boys still think points and fuel injection is not going to be any good at all we will all be going back to points in a few years.
I’m a yo-yo boy
Like I always said, Ford have always been known for their comfort. You need to be comfortable while you wait for the tow truck and I talk from experience! 😂
Lmfao so I hear
No idea.
bull crap
I can agree, like sitting in a couch while broken down👌
Toyota's are more reliable no beef with Ford owners
Can't we repeat the test when they are both 30 years old?
No the ford will be a milo tin 🤷
What do you expect the cruiser to gain power, increase capability, gain comfort, gain an automatic transmission in 30 years?
@@Bigsoot7393 It can gain power pretty easy seeing as it is massively detuned out of the factory whereas the Ford can’t gain much without adding reliability issues. That’s why showing factory figures is moot on a vehicle that will get tuned
Cost the mits lads $282k to build and repair so certainly not bulletproof
@@0IIy exactly
79s are nowhere near as good as the Toyota fan boys make them out to be
People saying “let’s see the ranger in 5 years time” my current ranger is 2012 5cyl manual with nearly 300,000 on it, abused everyday for work with a canopy full of tools and ladders on the roof etc and hasn’t missed a beat, ordered a new wildtrak last month seeing as current one has been pretty reliable
From a manual to the lemon auto. You may find the modern version less reliable than your current one.
Seen that 79 have more than it’s fair share of problems as well
My 2014 bt50 manual has 400,000ks on it and never had any major work done, just a clutch
It would be wise to lower the center of gravity and widen the track width on the 79. It's pretty dangerous on tough tracks
They def for the long road, dont like to much obstacles, I just widened by back and wow makes such a big difference, she feels super straight, fallen in love all over again, she a 2010 76, cheers legends
It's a vehicle for experienced drivers. Particularly experienced off roaders.
@@Shilo-fc3xmit’s a piece of crap.
The front track is wider then the back.. ha ha great engineering there Toyota 😂
@@cliffgare3390yeah, it's weird
It's good to hear from someone who appreciates a manual. I don't care if I can take off from a set of lights in the city while eating a pie. When I'm driving the vehicle, that's what I'm concentrating on. It's a good feeling to take off gently, make nice gentle gear changes and be in complete control of the vehicle
Actually drove about halfway up North with a few engineers from Ford and they were in a Ranger and Everest. Was quite impressed with the power they have and fuel economy although I was fully loaded for the Cape. Doing a pull from 80km the Ranger did pull away and my 76 has 185kw and 580nm with 35s. It was also interesting on the last stop we went a pub and it was very interesting getting feedback from rhe guys that were part of its development. They did mention a couple of things with sensors they will update for the next model.
Next model? When is that? In like 6 to 8 years?
@@farzana6676 more like 2 or 3
@@4x4andfishing Wasn't Gareth was it?
@@ultimateadventuresblog6564 A couple of English fellas and Gareth rings a bell, but I'm shocking with names.
Ranger just because to make the 79 livable would be soooo expensive
yup i spent nearly $200k on my 79
@@miggity_mac get fucked 😂😂😂 200k!?!?
I really appreciate that ford re invented the dual cab ute segment and that's why If you are a Toyota guy just wait for the next gen Hilux it will be pretty close on the spec to be competitive
How did for reinvent the dual cab? Evolution is probably the word you are looking for.
@@simmo6035technically ford ranger and mazda BT-50 is the first to have a 3500kg brake towing capacity and 800mm wading depth and a rear diff lock as standard and the first to have a dual climate control and electric power seat and 7 airbags not to mention 5 star ncap rating back in 2012 then Holden Colorado,isuzu Dmax Toyota Hilux and Mitsubishi triton and Nissan navara.
I think for most everyday people, the ranger is the definite pick. Not everyone is touring remote on a regular basis as Graham is doing.
I’d honestly take the ranger. But I got a question for you graham, you would take the 79 because parts are readily available, but with the big Y62, are parts for that readily available? I only ask this because if they aren’t, then what’s the difference between the ranger and the Y62?
Good call
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That’s a fair point to call out, however the Y62 came out years ago (google is saying Feb 2013), so your comparing a vehicle that’s been around for just over a decade to a vehicle that’s only just been released last year. Potentially a strong point you made but time is it’s factor of proving grounds.
Problem is you don’t see many 79 series on the 2nd motor and 3rd transmission at 40,000kms
@@Jayden.Dean25 If that’s a punch to the next gen ranger that’s a fair point, not a good start for them. Even the px3 had many issues with 10speed auto system. I would pick my PX2 ranger, already got proven designs and simple enough to work with in a pinch.
All depends how much you trust your vehicle and how you maintain it. 3 weeks ago I did a outback nsw run from Sydney. 3500 km round trip including 1500 km outback dirt road. And I did it with my trusty 2006 nissan xtrail which got 292000 km on clock.
Whilst I am a huge fan of the Ranger.
I would take the 79 for reliability and proven longevity. Because I want to go remote. I also believe re-sale would be better on the Toyota.
Ironically I have a Ranger and a Landrover both with Ford Engines - one recently replaced. Great Video Guys!!
Whatta load of bullshit Toyotas break down more than any other vehicles how did ya get to that conclusion?. Go read the Ranger forums & read all the horror stories about engine & gearboxes letting go.
@@miki_bukovica5883have you ever own a Land Cruiser? I Offroad with jeeps, patrols, land rovers, Mitsubishis, Toyotas usually never breaks, compared to other brands, jeeps breaks a lot, I just came home from a 100kilometers 4LO only trip, no issues, jeep broke front differential, Mitsubishi front drive shaft
@@juankyboy123Now are you driving the 4.0L jeeps or the new luxury bullshit?
@@TimmyBuddooI drive a Land Cruiser, the jeep that broke is a 1998, 4.0 jeep Cherokee
@@juankyboy123 How did u break the front dana 30 on an xj?
Ford's V6 is the same engine as the F-150 in the US, designed in 2004. Tried and tested already. The rest of the ranger was designed in Australia and has a proven record already.
Yeah but same engine that is in land rover discovery 3/4 ford lion v6 .really hope they solved the engine snapping crankshaft issue
They fixed the crankshaft issues. Redesigned the whole motor. (Forged crank shaft, etc)
With the Ranger becoming one of the top selling 4WDs in Australia I would be surprised if it is hard to get spare parts when you break down - even in remote areas. The Ford Ranger is as popular as the Hilux or Landcruiser these days as far as I can tell.
yeah theyre popular but the new ranger is a new platform, with new engine options, transmistions ( kinda), and electrical systems. a 79 is a well known and established platform that most if not all mechanics and techs have some experience in with simple systems and procedures. if you breakdown or have a drama just about anywhere you can take it into a workshop and the techs will know most common faults, i cant say the same about a ranger and many of the new dual cabs as theyre updated alot more regularly.
that whole thing about toyota is bullshit, if you need stuff its "we need to order that in"
Engine is from Land Rover/Jag so those parts should already be readily available.
@@Rafiki_lecthe Ranger isn't a new platform, it's really a facelift. The motor is out of an F150, and the transmission has been around for a decade.
As someone who fixes cars for a living good fkn luck getting parts for any car 😂 popularity just means more common breaking parts are on back order or need to be sent in from somewhere else
Another great show from Graham……. He’s on a roll with his quality content 👍
Going around Aus would be the Ranger all day everyday
Doing my 3rd lap now. Would never do it in anything but a Ranger. Loving the next gen. 👍
Just take plenty of spare parts.
@@warricksegers7077 why would I need spare parts?
If I was going to the middle of bloody nowhere, I would take the 79. It’s the most common vehicle here and would be easier to fix and find spare parts.
My dad just got a new ranger and its really good but haven't taken it off road yet cuz we have a prado that is made for our 4wd
Ranger has 2” lift and 33”
Cruiser has 3” and 35s”???
Also last time I looked the Ranger has a longer wheelbase and wider track compared to the 79. So technically it’s a bigger vehicle?
Honestly I didn’t that the ranger is bigger in track dimensions
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Plus the 79 is twin locked too, not really fair😂
Hate to break it to you graham but tanks have exceptional turning circles
i have to go with the ranger. been driving one since they came out and i love all the tech in them. my favorite thing is when towing my camper trailer it's a breeze
Safety has to be the number 1 priority for me when my family is on board touring Australia towing our van. We have a next gen V6 and its been a great thing for us, comfortable, powerful and is economical to run.
All vehicles have their pros and cons, depends on what the purchaser is seeking 👍Both capable vehicles
@@harrywalker968 I'm guessing a push bike suits you better mate
@@Nashic12 dont worry he drives a patrol cruisers only come in mens
These Rangers have all sorts wrong with them 😂
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Man I’ve done serious time in Toyotas - we run 79’s at work and have done round Oz twice in shorty 40s including the CSR. Drove a mates 76 back from Hedland to the east coast via the Nullarbor in 21. It’s a no brainer for me, I’d take that Ranger anyday and happily risk breakin down in comfort 🤘🤘
hahahah
Surely with the 20K you would spend on the 79 to make it comfortable etc.. You could buy some Ranger spares before going bush. To me it sounds like the Ranger is the the pick no mater what. Hey Graham, how does the Ranger compare to your Y62?
Depends on who’s sponsoring the show 😂😂
79s all day every day 🤞🏾❤️
I’m taking a 200 series which gives you the reliability and spare parts support of the 79 with more comfort than either. In fact I did. I admit they are completely different vehicles and 200 series is no longer available, but the current options all leave me a bit cold for the reasons you stated. Between the two, it has to be the Ranger. The 79 is crude even after spending the whole new cost of the vehicle again in modifications.
Love how you lead with reliability but back it up with needing spare parts lol
@@nathantyrrell1679 there is nothing wrong with a back-up plan just in case. 😄
Having said that, I mention mainly because this comparison referred to it as a positive for the Toyota. I’ve never needed to utilise that network and I’m not convinced you’ll need it for the Ranger either.
And it gives you about 700 kgs payload which I guarentee you can’t stay below and if you’re towing , forget about it
Unfortunately to turn a 200 into the touring rigs as shown it needs to be chopped and that's expensive, yeah sure you can tour out of a wagon but its not as easy when compared to a canopy.
Did they ever release the 200 as a dual cab from factory
@@Sh1tstir we’ve found the wagon well fitted out suits us for touring well but I can see why twin cabs with canopy are popular. But if you look at the cost of trying to make the 79 comfortable converting a 200 starts to look cheap. Plenty of people end up spending $80 - $90 grand getting the dream 79 series together on top of the purchase price.
I think getting some spacers for the 79 would make a big difference in its stability.
Just took new Wildtrack down to the Eyre Peninsular, Flinders, Innaminka, Broken Hill, Menindee and back to Sydney. 9500km in 4 weeks. Plenty of gravel and softer side tracks including a number of 4wd tracks in Merna Mora, Moolooloo and Arkaroola stations. A few minor issues but generally a dream to drive. Always plenty of power and terrific control on steeper, tighter tracks. Big tick in the box from me.
Personally I’d say give the ranger a go, because we’re never going to know how reliable it is if it’s not tested, as well as that in quite a few of the 4wd247 videos and from other sources, the trips the 79’s have done, they’ve performed well but also still have issues the same as other vehicles. So I’d say if you really worried about breaking down and not having parts to fix the issue the 79’s the way but I really think the ranger should be given a chance because from what I’ve seen on the street there’s already quite a few out there. I think it really comes down to personal preference and what you really want from a vehicle out of the box.
After working at ford, and Toyota, fords aren’t reliable lol.
Then again, it's a Ford. At least where I'm from, in terms of reliability and maintenance, no doubt I'd go with the Toyota if given the choice. Ford vehicles aren't bad per se, just that looking after them and being confident in them all the time is particularly harder to do, not to mention Ford parts are much more expensive and harder to source outside the US than 'Yota parts.
79 series clutch is terrible from factory. These days parts can be flown in quickly with Sparesbox etc. And they will give you a list of parts to take with you to the cape.
@@kylebutler7142you guys can't have it both ways, claim they're reliable whilst at the same time applauding a good dealer network so parts are readily available from either the dealer network or aftermarket parts suppliers.
Do you comprehend the contradiction here?
If reliable, why the hell does sparesbox have a ready to go pack of spares for them, haha 😂
I twas a fanboy, owned one and absolutely learnt to despise the bloody thing.
Thank Christ for GU Patrols.
@@ianweal3081 A car can be reliable i.e. starts every time, gearbox fine etc but you break a shaft on a gnarly climb or because you encounter a situation where you have to give it the lead boot. That’s a reliable vehicle where spare parts are needed. Unreliable is where something shits itself because is unhappy with its sensors and goes repeatedly into limp mode. You can have it both ways, you just need to think harder.
'79 with a turning circle of a tank! Thats pretty good!
Coming from a 75 driver. I love taking the 75 on big trips but I wish it had more power and space inside the cab so I would definitely buy a 79 if I had the money for it. Also solid front axles are fantastic on rough roads and can take so much more abuse and can fit bigger tyres without worrying about snapping cvs.
Let’s get these guys to a million subs. Champions😊
I’d take the 79 just because it’s a dream rig. The ranger is probably the better overall choice though :)
I really liked this comparison it was interesting to see what other people thought, but… I’m going 79 every day of the week and twice on Sundays. They are reliable, they look amazing. Not that comfortable, but com’n be a man. Most importantly they are reliable, will get you out of anywhere you put it, and spare parts are everywhere. Anyway that’s just my opinion.
Bhahaha mate they are so far from reliable it’s not funny. Hand down the most overrated car in History. The V8 79’s are complete rubbish
This video really showed how bad the 79s are at everything but driving down a dirt road 😂 even then I’d still take the ranger cause I’m sure as hell it’s comfort
Ranger makes 79 look stupid. Interior and infotainment is far superior and it even has factory cup holders! Fuel economy, 10 speed automatic, etc.
Will be interesting to see if it proves reliability.
Cheaper to set up Ranger for touring.
Better Safty features for the family.
Less driver fatigue due to comfort.
You don’t have to spend $30 k on performance upgrades.
2” lift and tyres then good to go.
Who cares, lets just get out and enjoy the country 👍 I actually like them both. I recently bought my first 79 (brand new) and I love it. I would love the Ford as well 👍.
I love the Ford as well against all odds I'd take it willing with open arms👍 but overall everyone loves different utes/bakkies, i believe they all are capable in their own way
Fuel consumption and comfort is a big part of ownership for me, as is the propensity for any of the dual cabs to have their chassis do the banana when loaded close to limits, towing, on rough roads. Im critical of this review because both vehicles were modified and these questions weren't answered.
How'd the fuel score go?
Can you not disconnect the sway bars on the 79 to gain more flex ?
I wouldn’t call 184kw and 600nm for the Ranger and 151kw and 430nm for the 79 Series similar power figures. The outputs from the V8 are a joke. The 4 cylinder Hilux produces 150kw and 500nm.
Would love to see the build sheet and price of the 2 vehicles.
That 79 would be a good 50k more expensive than the ranger all done.
Ill take my ranger any day over the 79
It's also 50x better than that tin can ranger😝😆😄
@@troymarshall3621Interesting, the review clearly didn't indicate your optimistic opinion here, in all aspects the ranger shit on it.
Only thing Toyota was praised for is supposed reliability, and if that was the case, why the hell do you care if there's a dealer or spares available, possibly because they're not as claimed. Hmm!!
Aside from the claimed reliability, if you do operate a 70 series Toyota, I feel for you, the fatigue from driving one would be horrendous.
Another bloke wishing they had a 79 but instead they just bag them
@@danielking5194 oh my dear chap, I so desperately wanted one, hence purchased one, owned it just shy of 3 years hence the fatigue comments from driving one. Very experienced on that front.
Sold it, as I learnt to despise the bloody thing.
Certainly no wish to ever have another one. If I can save one young fella from going into debt purchasing one of these absolutely over rated truly useless truck, well I've done my job.
I gladly opted out of the hype surrounding them.
So you're wrong, I don't want one and are justifiably experienced to point out their short comings.
@Ian Weal your a goose mate iv got 100 series 105 79 and 300 series and I'm taking my 79 over them and anything else in remote touring also I'm towing a 23ft lotus the ranger wouldn't even be able pull that out of my drive way😆
Ranger might be the same price range as 79, but 79 the 30-40k mods to get it set up. Plus the extreme Tojo parts pricing .Save your money try new tech, Glad someone has put there hand up to equalise the touring industry. 😊😊😊
For rough tracks like this, a front selectable locker is a great addition.
What’s the bet graham ends up in a ranger instead of the d max
79 it’s my choice,it can do touring anywhere on earth 🌍 it’s known as a police pickup in my country Kenya 🇰🇪
This rigs are un breakable
I had a touring Ford Ranger setup, got rid of it and now have a modified 79.... Why did I go to the 79 from the Ranger...? Reliability...! The Ranger did good by me, but it was a 2016 model and things started to go on it... I basically couldn't trust it. I had a 1991 Hilux dual cab for 30 years, I'd trust the old Hilux over a newer 4x4 like the Ranger... 79 series, It's not as comfy as the Ranger... But way more fun to drive...!
The 79 is an absolute beast even with the high centre of gravity
Until it rolls anyway
And I would imagine there is a big weight difference.
Used to have a ranger was a good car then it started to have some problems rear diff/ tail shaft/ injectors on the way out few other little bits. Got over it so bought a 76 series landcruiser yes you have to spend money on them BUT for me building it up and making it my own has been fun. Plus every time I drive it it puts a smile on my face
Mate, they just don't get it.. you hot the nail on the head.
79 Series all day, solid front end, no sensors in the older models practically a gear box, chassis, motor and steering wheel
ranger without a doubt, once upon a time the land cruiser was new. cant be scared of change, give it a go, the thing is tough as nails
Lacking in experience Obviously...
Cruiser is great as a farm truck but you’d be crazy to get one as a router unless your prepared to spend 272k on it like the mits lads
The longer wheelbase and wider track of the Ranger would be helpful for towing when compared to the 79.
But the reliability makes it not lol
@@jraddd3477 I knew a guy who hauled all his tools in a horse float, he bought another 79
That engine and gearbox is out of the F150 in America and there are many examples of it with a few hundred thousand kms on it. It’s not a new engine it’s actually been around for many years.
@@jraddd3477 I've had 3 rangers never had a drama, owned 2 cruisers had multiple problems
@colinelwin9461 you got lucky. Rangers have had multiple lawsuits about them having factory defects and not fixing it under warranty
Most of my family and myself have driven fords for years, but not anymore we have all switched brands. I would choose the Cruser hands down😊
Ranger any day of the week, and I'm an Amarok guy (I'd like to see that comparison!). The 79 is big, heavy, agricultural and thirsty. I get the reliability thing and parts availability, but with all the other cons of the Ranger, I'd be happy to sit and wait for parts if that ACTUALLY eventuated.
Ranger all day any day I have had my px3 new since 2021 already put 60000km on it spent about 35000 towing my 3 ton van took it to the cape last year nt the year before has not missed a beat.
I pick the Ranger, the 79 is awesome but no Auto option does it in for me,,, im nearly 50 and im over shifting 🤣
79 for me, hands down.
Spent my whole life driving trucks and tractors so agricultural with manual is no bother.
Question for 4WD. Why am I not seeing many videos of Graham and Sean on the trails together anymore.
I enjoyed watching the humor between you two.
I'm kinda missing it lol.
That young bloke absent is the reason I'm watching. Plus Grahams solo stuff in the Y62. Yeah some comedy was great but the young guy was too much with the banter. Over did it
They had a falling out
Years ago (90’s) the Ranger was only a v-4. We had one that was made to go overseas so it had a V-6. Over 450K miles with no problems.
79 is better if you throw 100k at it lol
I've already got a go anywhere vehicle. If you ask me and my present rig was a factor, I would pick the ranger every day. But that pedigree is something you can't overlook. I would still take the Ranger. It is a tough choice to make.
I'd take the 79! Mainly because we don't get them in the States much. They are just cool 😎 plus a solid axle up front.
Why do you think the solid axle is a plus? Just strength? Usually Jeep guys like it for traction and flex, but the 79 doesn’t have flex without some serious suspension work. It’s definitely a downside on the road. IFS handles so much better, and in this company, flex is the same.
@ExpatonTwoWheels it's a week link, CV axles are not as strong. Unless you plan on throwing gobs of money at them. So for remote reliabilit, I have a preference for solid axles. I own one of each. One is awesome on the highway and higher speed off road, the other is just more fun to drive. To each their own. I'd take the 79 because they are just cool! And I like solid axles.
Would love to bring mine over to the US and explore that magnificent country in a 79.
@@toddmarvosh4105 I moved from Canada to Australia, and I thought I wanted a 70 series until I drove one, and I've spent half my life off road.
Looking forward to when the 4wd content comes back . So much more they said this year.
Graham and Shawn have just done in Simpson in the farm truck and old patrol I think and have don't the cape again reopening a old track in the daintree should have a few things coming from what I've seen on Instagram but not to much on the 4wding and the tracks haven't been to interesting recently
@@edennorthyt8702 looking forward to it
Good to know, just got my 2022 ranger last week, took it out on the beach and it drove so much better than my old ranger, turning on 4L turned off all the sensors and she just cruised along
I'll go for the 79 all day all the way
i would pick a 79 series
Where can you buy a 79 for 80 odd grand???
I paid 68 for mine brand new in 2021, Gxl towbar, no tray ;)
Couldn’t do that these days
I’ll go with 79 I am a big fan of Land Cruiser
you get "engine braking" when selecting "tow mode" in the ranger and you can disable the sensors as well through the same mode selector. I knew without watching this Toyota was always going to win, amusing he drives a Isuzu D-MAX and talks about parts availability as for the justification though.
In all honesty, I'm never going to be able to afford either vehicle so if someone was to give me either one, I'd say YES!
79 Series all day everyday!!
We talk about parts are readily available for the 79 what does that indicate they break down a lot?
Would have to be the Ranger for me and that's from someone who hates Fords. Mainly that is down to the V6 and autobox combo. However, if it were an option I would go with the Land Rover Defender 130 modded with an auto slapped in it.
I do Safaris as a tour guide in Africa. With the kind of terrain we have in the game parks, you more than 100% need a vehicle with as few computer controlled parts as possible. The 79 is what you would call a bullet proof vehicle. Everything on this vehicle may die but as long as the engine keeps running, it will take you home
79 all the way. Rangers are 🍋
Hopefully this is a conversation and comparison that can be spoken of in 10 or 15 years time. The 79 has the runs on the board, however the Ranger is a great looking and great performing unit too. It needs time to prove it's value. For those reasons I would choose the 79.... but that's just my opinion.
Ranger for me. Toyota tractors are overpriced and over rated in my opinion.
Overrated?? You mean world renowned reliability
lol the ranger is just as over priced.
My mate chose the 79 a couple of years ago, I chose the Everest this year. We are both happy.
I want to get a 75 cruser or a 1985 Hilux
Ive got a 91 Hilux SR5
IMO go the 76 it has a slightly larger cab and coil front end so its a lot smother i have the 75 and DAMN being on leafs is harsh when i save the money gonna drop a few K on parabolic springs.
What they should’ve done, how much did the build on the Ranger and how much to build on the landcruiser
As a rule I would never have a series 1 anything until it has been proven but I get to drive a v6 ranger regularly and I would happily take one over the over priced farm truck anyday
I have owned both of these and i would take my 79series out remote touring over the ranger. Ranger is great for touring with a caravan where supplies and parts are close by. As far as off roading goes, less moving parts in a 79series more simiple and rugged. Itll get me home. I also think the panels on a 79series would take more to damage.
The ranger is better for the more extreme off road but less remote, more electronics more moving parts. Front diff lock would be a game changer
This style of Ranger has been around since 2012 with the advent of the PX2, so I feel that the latest is more of a development in progress than completely new so spares are probably not such an issue as made out.
Coming on 10 months of ownership on the new Ranger and it’s been through towing, various offroad challenges and day-to-day commutes. Not an issue, reliable and a pleasure to drive. Still early days, but earlier signs are good. What a rig.
I'd take the 79 series any day. Just got that beautiful looks and brilliant landcruiser reputation!
Awesome video as always 4WD 24/7 Crew.
Out of the 79 and the Ranger I’m gonna have to say the 79 because I think they are a very capable 4wd
Mehhh not really, 79s are not the capable offroader people make it to be
Didn't you watch the video?
Very self explanatory if you did, they aren't as capable as one desires them to be.
I owned a 76 series, trust me, if I didn't have diff locks it would have been super incapable. I learner to despise it over time, thank Christ GU Patrols were still available to replace the bloody thing.
Both operators agreed the ranger was better on the true off road section, better at touring, better at towing.
That’s your opinions yes a lot of people say that 79’s a no good but to the 79’s are my dream 4wd and yes I did watch the video and then even though, as said the Ranger Graham said the 79 and I agree with Graham and the 79’s do sound good
I'm a truck driver...biggest hate on new vehicles is sensor's! So I would pick the 79! No sensor's...I'd go the ranger!
I think the 79 would be more stable if you used the Portal axles from marks 4wd adaptors. you get beter clearance even under the pumpkins and the original steering geometry. $24,000 though
Try $40k, great bit of kit though!
Yip just over $40k. Very happy with them. Just got to go off road now.
You can’t pass a cruiser. Graham said it perfectly. There and back. Parts are everywhere and that’s if something breaks not when. And anyone mentioned the disco motor in the ranger 😂. Discovery’s are very reliable…
I work for toyota ..... I spend all day fixing 79s. Thay aren't as reliable as people think.
Great video, whilst I understand your decision graham for selecting the 79 wouldn’t all your tripping around in the y62 conflict with your comments. Also, whilst the 79 and wildtrack would cost similar from new and had similar $$$ spent on tray, bodies bars winches etc, how much over and above that was spent to make the 79 more comfortable and improve drive ability. I am not knocking your choice, if I was being given a choice and gifted one, I would have picked the 79, however I have bought the wildtrack and will see how I go out bush.
Keep up the great work.
Hey Graham could you make another video explaining and going through testing good vehicles for beginners and even in a different video OT would be cool to soo you build up a Lil Suzuki seirra ute and even a Brumby.
-Ryan,love your video.
Hey guys! Offroad mode disables most sensors
The old Rangers have more torque then a 79
ranger raptor just set the record for production vehicle at finke and go there and back
Would love to see the Ford V6 5-years down the line 😜😜
Be on the scrap heap, broken. 😂
It's the same engine they use in the F-150 in the US, designed in 2004. It's been tested