How To Frame A Hip Roof Part 2 - Answering 2 Important Questions

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  • Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
  • In last weeks video we learned how to frame a hip roof. Today we are exploring in more detail two of the measurements behind the calculations we used to frame a hip roof.
    How to frame a hip roof part 1 - • How To Frame A Hip Roo...
    0:00 Intro
    0:28 First Question - Why do we use a 17" run for hip rafters?
    2:16 Second Question - Why do we add 7/16" to jack rafters?
    6:04 Outro
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 112

  • @TrainingHandsAcademy
    @TrainingHandsAcademy  3 роки тому +6

    If you missed part 1 here is the link. ua-cam.com/video/c2KrU2b1EJI/v-deo.html

    • @peaceonearth405
      @peaceonearth405 7 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for the helpful videos, I understood 99.9% just had a question on one thing. I know with common rafter you deducted 1/2 the width of the ridge board. What about the king common rafter? Since it is butting up to the face of the ridge do you not remove 3/4” like the common rafters?

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  7 місяців тому +2

      Check out 3:45 in the video, the ridge and last common rafters are set at the run 23 1/4". Let me know if that helps. @@peaceonearth405

    • @peaceonearth405
      @peaceonearth405 7 місяців тому

      @@TrainingHandsAcademy thank you so much I get it now.

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  7 місяців тому

      Great! @@peaceonearth405

  • @charliek9742
    @charliek9742 Рік тому +12

    What an amazing teacher you are. I'm a retired engineer, so I understand all the math, but the way in which you explain it, makes it so much easier to understand. Great job and keep up the good work!

  • @raysantana7212
    @raysantana7212 Рік тому +2

    That was awesome. Thank you I am building my own house and your videos for the hip roof explanation is right on. Thank you and God bless you for your teachings . I wish you and your loved ones the best life has to offer us .

  • @joeoverman3793
    @joeoverman3793 Рік тому +2

    Great teaching and explaining in a way most people can understand! God bless.

  • @thesouloflife7022
    @thesouloflife7022 2 місяці тому

    I wish I would have became a carpenter when I was younger. I love updated or making things better on my house.

  • @toolsiesampat2737
    @toolsiesampat2737 2 роки тому +5

    Perfect explanation bro I tried adding the seve n sixteenth on my jack rafters and it came out perfect thanks man

  • @Blue60
    @Blue60 3 роки тому

    Great video your showing, keep them coming, you make them easy to understand cheers

  • @leroyrowe2991
    @leroyrowe2991 4 місяці тому

    Fantastic teachings. Really appreciate it.

  • @r.mercado9737
    @r.mercado9737 Рік тому +1

    This was another great vid!

  • @davidswanson8493
    @davidswanson8493 2 роки тому

    Helpful ,Thank you!

  • @mikealphalima70
    @mikealphalima70 7 місяців тому

    Bonjour, I am from Montreal, Canada. I am undergoing training as a carpenter, and we have reached the point of constructing a roof exactly like the one you are showing us. Your explanations are very clear and have been very helpful. I have subscribed to your channel and will follow you in the future.

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  7 місяців тому

      Thanks for the follow Mike! I'm so glad you are in school for this. If you need anything please reach back out.

  • @onlyrte7304
    @onlyrte7304 2 роки тому

    Super helpful! Thank you much.

  • @kamalgarad4745
    @kamalgarad4745 2 роки тому

    WOW; I couldn’t thank you enough ; it will not be more easier than this

  • @RH-vm1pm
    @RH-vm1pm 2 роки тому

    Great video after video. Complicated things but well explained.

  • @araratoutdoors
    @araratoutdoors 8 місяців тому

    Good info. Nice job!

  • @daynmarshall7262
    @daynmarshall7262 2 роки тому

    Thankyou such a good channel

  • @oscarluevano5344
    @oscarluevano5344 2 роки тому

    Really appreciate your videos

  • @user-sl1iv7qk8z
    @user-sl1iv7qk8z 11 місяців тому

    amazing teacher thank you

  • @garvielloken3929
    @garvielloken3929 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome!

  • @larrys8086
    @larrys8086 Місяць тому

    thank you very much for the videos. They are very well explained. The only thing I've wondered about is how all the rafters are fastened at the point where the ridge board, king rafter, common rafter and hip rafter all meet.

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  Місяць тому

      They would be all attached with framing nails... normally from a framing gun.

  • @janicesmyth2183
    @janicesmyth2183 Рік тому

    I know enough now to build a house! Just kidding. I wished I had this knowledge years ago so I could build my dream house. My grandkids will make the most from it.
    Thank you for making and sharing this video!

  • @675daily
    @675daily 2 місяці тому

    Am interested to learn more please am from Papua New Guinea it's great learning from you

  • @juanrojas7505
    @juanrojas7505 2 роки тому

    great channel 👍👍👍

  • @samuelhurtado6384
    @samuelhurtado6384 Рік тому

    Great help all those videos 👍

  • @polopolomay1
    @polopolomay1 Рік тому

    Greatly informative video! Can you do a hip roof that requires a structural ridge? I'm curious how you calculate the details for the loads to that will be carried.

  • @user-wz2id2yj3i
    @user-wz2id2yj3i 10 місяців тому

    I dmire your short but practically detailed lectures to handy diy in remote 3řdWorld

  • @oscarluevano5344
    @oscarluevano5344 2 роки тому +1

    Chido compadre

  • @gregorsamsa1364
    @gregorsamsa1364 5 місяців тому

    Another way to get to get the jack rafter measurements, especially on a small roof, is to actually just measure 16"(or 19.5 or 24 or whatever) square over from common rafter to the where the hip rafter intersects ti mark where the jack rafters long point will sit. Then measure from there to where it will sit at the outer edge of the top plate.

  • @isaacsieberts9567
    @isaacsieberts9567 2 роки тому

    thankyou

  • @single_cam9199
    @single_cam9199 2 роки тому

    Ohhhh ! Got it

  • @briangordon1767
    @briangordon1767 Рік тому

    If you marked the 45 degree line on top edge of the comman rafter then at the midway point squared a line across the top edge of said rafter and measured from that line up to the long point would that work out at seven sixteenths or am I barking up the wrong tree. great videos btw thank you

  • @pmmhrw188887
    @pmmhrw188887 2 роки тому

    If you have your hip rafter cut at a single bevel 45 (porch roof coming off the wall) it will lay flat on the ledger. Do you have to take into consideration the 7/16’s with a single bevel and not double?

  • @rodrigoaparecidodesouza3228

    Excelente vídeo me ajudou muito a compreender alguns mistérios em telhados, sou do Interior de são Paulo aqui no Brasil, profissionalmente sou bombeiro municipal, mas nas horas de folga tenho meus hobbies, um deles é construir telhado, aqui no Brasil usamos os ângulos para fazer cálculos, eu gostei muito desse método de proporção para saber a inclinação, muito obrigado por compartilhar conosco seus conhecimentos e no meu caso agradeço também por disponibilizar a legenda em português, Deus abençoe muito você, seu trabalho, sua família. Forte abraço aqui do Brasil para todos os inscritos desse canal!

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  Рік тому

      Muito obrigado pelo comentário e pela bênção! Estou tão feliz que este vídeo tenha ajudado você, e eu oro uma bênção sobre você e sua família. O Senhor é bom. A paz esteja convosco!

  • @rickyreynolds9056
    @rickyreynolds9056 Рік тому

    I have a question that I don’t think you covered. I am cutting hip rafters for my outside cooking are roof. The building is going to have a small box and 2’x2’ small dog house type coming out of the top of my hip roof ( to let smoke out) my rafters come to the point of my box and i am struggling to get the angle and length right on my corner rafters. Thanks in advance

  • @GSchrades
    @GSchrades 2 місяці тому

    I know this is an old video now but what if I have a double hip such as double LVL hips measuring 3-1/2" total, do I need to subtract anything or am i still going to half with the angle measuring to add to my construction calculator?

  • @JC-jo6xq
    @JC-jo6xq 3 місяці тому

    You are a great teacher. I have learned a lot from your videos.
    Question, does the 7/16” works with 4x hip material or is does it only apply for 2x material?

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  3 місяці тому

      Yes, only 2x material. My working knowledge is weak when it comes to all those specifics of different material thicknesses

  • @johnlasseigne7676
    @johnlasseigne7676 5 місяців тому

    Can you just add 3/4" to the run and get the theoretical long of the jack as if the hip ran long through the ridge? I think you could just subject the difference in Jack's from this number to get the first long, but im not sure.

  • @Ishmaell711
    @Ishmaell711 2 роки тому

    What happens if say your stock material is 5 1/2”thick and not 1 1/2” thick, wood the 7/16” be a different size ???? Would there be a rule of thumb for different size material?
    Thanks 🙏

  • @pdcro1247
    @pdcro1247 2 роки тому +1

    Don’t you have to deduct half the diagonal width of the hip from the jack just like you have to deduct half the ridge from the common rafter?

  • @tellis9844
    @tellis9844 2 роки тому +2

    Great video, thanks for sharing. Please note you have to add the 7/16 back on because you deducted half the ridge from your common rafter at the start of the process

  • @ThePaulLeary
    @ThePaulLeary 2 роки тому +4

    16.97 = 12 x √2
    The runs of the common, king and hip rafters 45-45-90 triangle, therefore hip run = common/king run multiplied by √2 (or ~1.41). From that you can calculate the hip run for any roof pitch.

  • @breadbuttertinyhomesllc797
    @breadbuttertinyhomesllc797 2 роки тому +1

    Rather than 7/16 (for 16-in on center framing), do you know how much you would add to the jack rafters if you're framing 24 inches on center and you want them to land on center?

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  2 роки тому +4

      If you are using the calculator in this video it would be the same for 24" OC layout... add 7/16"

  • @symonflores7081
    @symonflores7081 7 місяців тому

    How do you get the 17” number in the calculator what’s the formula?

  • @user-ee8nv3wp8n
    @user-ee8nv3wp8n 4 місяці тому

    🎉

  • @speedbuggy7240
    @speedbuggy7240 Рік тому

    So, what happens when you have a different size common rafter on either side of your hip rafter?? I'm redoing a really old porch roof. Built in the late 1800's. The original hip rafter is 2 1/2" wide. I have to replace it. The roof is 40' by 8' with the end common rafter having about 4' run with the front rafter having a run of close to 8'. I'm gonna replace the hip rafter with 2- 2x10's which is 1/2" wider than the original. Hmmm.... A 2 piece hip rafter replacing a 1 piece hip rafter.....

  • @jack460able
    @jack460able 2 роки тому

    Clear as day when you know how to use the calculator you save lots of time and can cut everything at once on the ground safely

  • @motox947
    @motox947 Рік тому

    After watching this my new shed is getting a hip roof.

  • @selvinespinal4164
    @selvinespinal4164 2 роки тому

    muchas Gracias por sus videos Boy A ser un seguidor muy constante porque si quiero un poco de sabiduría que Dios le da a ud para compartir de su don que le a regalado y si estoy aprendiendo mucho con sus videos Dios le siga bendiciendo mucho para enseñar a otros puedo escuchar Inglés pero no puedo escribirlo y pido disculpas Gracias

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  2 роки тому

      ¡Eres muy amable! Gracias por las bendiciones y por su audiencia. ¡Que dios te bendiga!

  • @ethanhuh9375
    @ethanhuh9375 Рік тому

    How would you calculate common and hip rafters if you have double ridge beam. Your video show single ridge but what if you have double.

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  Рік тому

      Basically, your run simply shortens which changes the numbers you put into the calculator.

  • @toddavis8603
    @toddavis8603 7 місяців тому

    Hip hip----hurrah!"

  • @dannyflanery7466
    @dannyflanery7466 7 місяців тому

    What if you rafters are 24" oc and not 16" oc when using the calculator . When determining jack rafter lengths

  • @elou795
    @elou795 2 роки тому +1

    Does the 17” still apply if my pitch is 8 12?

  • @denisangot4796
    @denisangot4796 3 роки тому +4

    You lost me with imperial measurements , but I understand the way to calculate . In France we just use metric , nobody is perfect 😁

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  3 роки тому +1

      Haha! In most of my recent videos I always try to do the conversions but these last two videos had too many change over. :)

  • @patroberts4708
    @patroberts4708 2 роки тому

    How do I mark the jacks location on the hip or valley ?

    • @johnlasseigne7676
      @johnlasseigne7676 Рік тому

      Hip length divided by run x the on center spacing. But you the to take into count the centerline and width of hip. You can also step it off, but it is a different rise and run. If your interested let me know.

  • @nickpersaud7065
    @nickpersaud7065 2 роки тому

    So instead of a double bevel hip cut n you use a single bevel hip cut, would the layout be the same

  • @joelethalcruz4417
    @joelethalcruz4417 2 роки тому

    So that 7/16 changes in each roof pitch..like 8/12 9/12 5/12 would be different.?

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  2 роки тому +1

      No it's the same no matter the pitch.

    • @joelethalcruz4417
      @joelethalcruz4417 2 роки тому

      @@TrainingHandsAcademy ok..thnks another question i have a roof book and the talk about shortened the jack rafters and hips..on a Valley roof and hip roof...what is that.?

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  2 роки тому

      @@joelethalcruz4417 This is similar to the 7/16" adjustments we have to do on the Jacks. There are many different ways to calculate a roof, and shortening has to happen with a few of those ways in order to make everything "plane" out so that the plywood lays flat. You have to remember that most measurements/calculations are taken from the centerline of the framing material, but we of course can't frame that way, so we have to shorten/lengthen framing members in order to assemble a roof, again so everything is flat for the plywood to lay on. It's a very deep topic but I hope this helps some.

  • @rawlsawh2804
    @rawlsawh2804 2 роки тому +1

    Mathematically 17 is used because the root of 2 times 12 is 16.97 ~ 17

  • @americanwoman6246
    @americanwoman6246 Рік тому

    What about rafter ties?

  • @carpentrynewfrontiers8072
    @carpentrynewfrontiers8072 Рік тому

    Shouldn't the 7/16" be added to the jack's run, not the jack's length? If you draw the projection of the runs on the ground and you draw the connection between the jack rafter and the hip, we can clearly see that the run has to be elongated by 7/16" to reach the long end of the jack.

  • @corneilcorneil
    @corneilcorneil 6 місяців тому

    Imperial measurements... some people make it themself real difficult

  • @weldonpinder7295
    @weldonpinder7295 7 місяців тому

    I just layer out the 4 walls for a shed and one of them are a half inch longer than the others so then a calculator won't be 100% accurate. So what to do?

  • @DNL82
    @DNL82 2 роки тому

    🤔🤔🤔

  • @absolutelyloveangels
    @absolutelyloveangels 2 роки тому

    My goodness 😅 how many fractions! Find it much easier with straightforward mm😅 I guess I'm just use to the metric system

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  2 роки тому +1

      I hear you. I always try to make my videos in both systems but this one just had too many numbers to convert. Thanks for watching.

    • @absolutelyloveangels
      @absolutelyloveangels 2 роки тому

      @@TrainingHandsAcademy no that's fine. You guys are use to those measures and we're just use to the IS🤷🏻‍♀️. The video is great.

  • @jerryriggan
    @jerryriggan 3 роки тому

    Framed hundreds of houses and never needed a calculator, You can step the commons off with the square .Measure the hip rafters and the jack rafters. No mistakes.

    • @TrainingHandsAcademy
      @TrainingHandsAcademy  3 роки тому

      Yes, I really like that method as well Jerry. :)

    • @notahotshot
      @notahotshot 3 роки тому +1

      @Jerry Riggan
      Cool story, bro.

    • @rubenvarela4077
      @rubenvarela4077 2 роки тому

      I will try it

    • @stevekoceja4298
      @stevekoceja4298 2 роки тому

      I’ve framed a bunch also. Can step it off, use the blue book or scale it. Great in any situation. I do use the calculator just like the video. You make a great point. You can’t beat a field measurement. Have never framed a house perfectly square with equal measurements everywhere. Framed a small 12x12 structure yesterday and used the calculator for the hip roof. Came out great but even on that had to trim or add here and there. What if batteries go dead ay?

  • @AMLO-4TA.TRANSFORMACION
    @AMLO-4TA.TRANSFORMACION 4 місяці тому

    DUDE, YOU SHOULD BE IN A CLASSROOM.🤓

  • @sandasturner9529
    @sandasturner9529 2 роки тому

    A²+B²=C²

  • @craigburgher6097
    @craigburgher6097 3 роки тому

    First

  • @disqusrubbish5467
    @disqusrubbish5467 Рік тому

    Sorry but you still didn't explain how to calculate the 16.97 (17").
    To calculate the diagonal of any square, multiply the length of the side (12" here) by the square root of 2 (always approximately 1.41).
    So 1.41 * 12 = 16.97
    Otherwise, good videos.

  • @teddyjones3055
    @teddyjones3055 Рік тому

    Maybe I'm a complete moron (in fact, I'm sure I am), but I don't see how those derivations of the 7/16'' demonstrate that you need to add that distance to the jack rafters' lengths. It just seems sort of coincidental.