Very interesting. As for why BSG never encounter aliens…. Well they didn’t travel through space, they jumped. A ship at warp would travel through sectors of space while jump drives just bypassed all that. Like transporting from a dessert in Nevada to an isolated swamp in Louisiana. You wouldn’t cross state territories or pass by major cities that can be seen/scanned along the way.
Here's an interesting hypothesis. What if BSG's "jumping" was really just Warp 10, or a version of the Spore Drive from Discovery or something. Like somehow they figured out the hard part first, and so never had a reason to use any lesser warp factor. Zefram Cochrane on the other hand had to cobble together his prototype using scraps left over from World War 3, and so that's what Starfleet ended up basing their tech on. Maybe if he'd had better parts, Starfleet would've started out at Warp 10 as well.
The BSG cycle is a creator species creates a slave species, which then rebels, then during the war a convoy and hybrid is formed which seeds the next planet with a slave species colony going it alone elsewhere. Firefly is officially in the Buffyverse and the startup for Firefly is that a convoy of humans travelled to another star system to settle it. In BSG a Firefly is seen before the war. In Star Trek many slave species are created that rebelled against their creators and many species have left their original planets. Just think of stories that fit the cycle.
Although they jumped the areas would have been surveyed, for good planets/mining etc not as if the thought lets just go 100 light years that way and ignore anything inbetween
@@blackc1479 or possibly Borg were the ones that upgraded V'ger. The short Trek story l read had the Borg start as a doctor trying to save his dying daughter by creating nanobots to "Restore her body to Perfectly Healthy" thereby removing the need for the synthetic organs that were helping to keep her alive and since they had learning capacity they went beyond intended purpose and came up with the "Perfect Body" was a mix of organic & synthetic and the Borg were born
@@jeremyweaver9598 , I would have loved to have seen John DeLancie as Q tormenting Dean Stockwell's Brother Cavill over the breakdown of "The Plan", the Cylon civil war, and the illogic of destroying one's parents. Written properly, it could have been epic!
Correction: The beginning of "The Golden Age of Technology". It only becomes "The Dark Age of Technology" from the prospective of the utterly broken and backward Imperium AFTER that period of time.
@@brokeneyes6615 I am assuming the original comment was of WH40K. In that setting, the Golden Age of Technology was worked toward but was not reached until M10 and did not end until around M23 or M24. Star Trek takes place predominately in M3-M4. So, if my assumptions on the meaning of that comment are correct, I meant the BEGINNING of the Golden Age of Technology.
Inconsistent because 40k states that humanity left the Solar System in the 18th millenium, while Star Trek has been doing so since very early 22nd century
Little tidbit I learned watching Voyager just yesterday: The Hirogen use tylium for fuel, just like the Colonial Fleet. (ref: Voyager season 7 episode 709/710 "Flesh and Blood")
Well Einstein 5th Voyager came out practically 20 years before the reboot a battlestar galactica don't you suppose they walked Voyager and took the fuel concept from Voyager and anyway they were not humans that were using the same fuel were they they were at alien species! Add they were in the delta quadrant not the alpha quadrant let's see what other space sagas could be in the same universe as Star Trek and battlestar galactica what about the 1980s TV show Paul V or gene roddenberry's Andromeda or gene roddenberry's earth final conflict what about Babylon 5 oh wait there's three different series of stargate.
Alternately, the Cylons set out to exterminate their creators, were largely successful… and then the Reapers showed up and wiped them all out. All of this has happened before… in another cycle of the galaxy. 😎
Aye, any remaining human survivors that evaded the Mechaniclism were united by the God-Emperor of Mankind and settled within the Webway. Ascending and becoming a beings of pure thought and energy. Later humans of the Terran Empire called them the Ancients.
> Preservers (Ancient Ones) > Add Eons of Time > Get Changelings > Same Actress > Same Facial Physiology > Changelings are Masters of Genetics *Preservers = Changelings*
@@LoreReloaded whichever one is from TNG that spread human form everywhere is the one I meant.. ..but I think it makes sense that they evolved into Changelings
theoretically Battlestar Galactica could be easily intergraded into nearly any sci fi show that has earth in it, such as macross, gundam, star gate, Warhammer 40k, Babylon 5 and more
Let's see: Macross, (the Gods were the Protoculture, the proto-Colonials were one of the nascent species they adjusted, Kobol was one of the remaining PC colonies hiding from the Zentradi, singing and song DOES play a significant role... wait, back up, that they didn't experience any death from above from Zentradi fleets that had been plying the spaceways for 500k years (by modern reckoning) probably nixes that 'verse) B5- I mean, it would kinda put the Head Characters as Vorlons- and honestly that's as much as I could get. Given that both the Shadows and Vorlons kept kicking around space, would be hard to have no evidence of them (or the other First Ones) cropping up. (Though given that the scope of B5's main story varies from "half the galaxy" to several hundred light years, depending on the angle of approach (haven't compared the various maps)...)
@TJ of Someplace The problem with the Stargate universe is the idea that space is completely full of life. The stargate only went to a about 50,000 worlds in the Milky Way. The Milky way has billions of potential worlds, so it might not be as easy to write that off. On the other hand, there have been a number of times where humans created sentient machines that rebelled against their creators (Milky Way replicators being one incarnation).
150,000 years is a long time for civilisations to rise and fall, so we could be seeing a part galaxy relatively fresh from seeding, while the part that the Kobal is in could be an older section or a test bed for the ancients.
Well, until they landed on Earth II, they never even saw proto-Humanity... And 150,000 years ago, humans were in massive number across the globe, but on specific areas in small tribal groups. From what I understood, the Preservers' seeding took place millions (or perhaps billions) of (Terran) years ago- and it would be unlikely that the proto-Vulcans or proto-Cardassians would be significantly more advanced than the proto-Humans that far back. So they could have easily stopped over Cardassia Prime, dropped Raptors down to stock up on some fruits and veggies, and headed back out without coming across one of the bands of proto-Spoonheads.
@@Sephiroth144 I thought the same thing, I just thought that possibly the colonials we're a older experiment of the preservers or were seeded first and for some reason they developed faster or first.
@@didact9571 Given the timeframe I'm assuming, a tiny difference in evolutionary speed could equal several million years faster development to sapient life; heck, I'm presuming the Preservers seeded the older age of races (at the same time, but again, faster development), such as the T'Kon's or Iconians...
@@Sephiroth144 very possible, I was assuming species that were similar would evolve at a similar rate but you have a good point. That also brings up the idea that by modern trek most of the colonials traces may have been covered up or destroyed by other civilizations that popped up in-between and we would never see any trace or even a hint of colonials. As far as we know the original colonies are in Romulan space and have been covered by three other extinct civilizations. 150,000 years is a large gulf of time for civilizations.
The cylons could very well be the precursor to the Borg. To touch up on why Battlestar Galactica never encountered any of the Star Trek aliens. It was probably during the time before they discovered warp drive. T'pol even clearly stated that when the Vulcans went into deep space there was a lot less warp-capable species back then
Mind the fact that it was 150k year before the early 2ks and I’m pretty sure the Iconians fell 100k years before TNG era no aliens were encountered because the humans were first and the many fallen human civilizations the survivors move and survived and evolved to split from humanity who was seeded by the progenitors, their statement that they seed the universe was because they did it by accident by seeding humanity who seeded a ton of other planets by the cycle of war between humans and cylons Crazy: Yes but then again this entire theory is
Yeah on a recent rewatch of first contact I noticed the botg queens speech to data felt very similar to what cavil said elen and since the flee came to the conclusion that pure human doesn't work and pure cylon doesn't work what's to say the centurions also didn't come to this conclusion pure machine didn't work and pure human didn't work so they created the borg And since battlestar galactica happens 150000 years before what can only be assumed to be 2004-2009 its reasonable to assume that most other species hadn't developed warp drive yet seeing as the vulvans only had what warp in enterprise so they onl deleveloped warp driver a few hundred years before humanity
The Thinking Machines ultimately made Star Fleet lazy. Then Picard was reincarnated as this Atriedes Marine. Blazing a way to The Golden Path to fight the coming invasion. Picard in another life was also possessed by a hot vampire naked lady and almost made out with a dude. God has an extensive plan for Picard.
It could definitely be made to line up (sans that whole licensing issue). Another way to look at it would be a connection between Reboot BSG and OG BSG. As an avid fan of both versions, I interpreted the whole “It’s happened before and will happen again,” to imply a possible connection between the old series and the “new” series. By the end, it’s revealed that new BSG was set in the ancient past, while old BSG was more or less set in our present day, in our 20th century. In effect, Moore’s BSG reboot would be a loose prequel to the original series (or the original series a loose sequel to the reboot.) It’s also worth noting that the first human-appearing Cylon was not in the reboot. That precedent was already set in the much reviled “Galactica 1980” (a series I actually enjoyed and still consider under-appreciated). But I’m weird that way.
On a similar note, is the origenal battlestar galactica a sequal to star wars... And buckrogers in the 25th century a sequal to that? Ah the Internet, your window to long forgotten sci fi...
Flash Gordon much more than Buck Rogers. Star Wars actually was a Flash Gordon revival, but George Lucas couldn't get the licensing (they already had plans) so he changed names rewrote settings to make it a separate creation. Battlestar Galactica as a sequel to Star Wars is a really fun idea.
Many moons ago there was a short fan edit between the original Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Both shows were made by Glen Larson so it meshed almost perfectly. The video has since vanished from the interwebs.
The original BattleStar:GALATICA was very much a Star Wars -ripoff- tribute. The reimagined Battlestar:Galactica you could describe as a parody of 9/11 and all the chaos and paranoia that it exhumed in our society.
@@huasohvac Oh, SW is totally in our universe. That's why ET recognized a Yoda Halloween costume and his species was represented in the Galactic Senate. ST Prime however is in a different universe, the point of departure was the late 80's with advancements in genetics that didn't happen in ours. Still possible we're in the non-Roman Terran universe though as that was just a violent 1st contact, we have no idea if the lead up was the same as in Prime ST aside from the warp test.
@@davidkelly4210 We actually do know the divergence point for the Terran part of Star Trek. WW2 in that universe was won by the Nazis, which, going by what happens later is a very clear response.
I think the bigger issue isn't the history, but the tech... The FTL of BSG is so far removed from that of Warp Drive... And yet, almost all Trek Species seem to eventually get Warp Drive as their FTL of choice... Until the upgrade to transwarp... Has all the tyllium just stopped existing, forcing everyone to use antimatter?
Maybe tylium is just a different name for one of the many substances known to the Federation in Star Trek. Also, don't forget that the technology level of the Twelve Colonies is ridiculously low. Other than the superadvanced FTL drive, New BSG is even less advanced than The Expanse. There is some indication that Humanity in nuBSG got FTL from the Lords of Kobol, which could be equated to any superadvanced ascended beings in Star Trek such as the Organians and the Q. There is also the fact that they all have names and overall culture that resembles 21st century Earth, so they could be a mix of the "time-displaced Humans" with "seeded Humans" tropes.
@@jacobdrj101 We also must not forget the effects that the Temporal Cold War could have had in the overall timeline. As for the lack of aliens in nuBSG, we can attribute it to the fact that it takes place 150,000 years ago, in a time post-T'Kon collapse and post-Iconian collapse, so it makes sense that the Colonials would be the only ones around, as they did not have to evolve all the way back to sentience, but we're actually transplanted to that time and location by a higher power. Or maybe they are temporal refugees from the Temporal Cold War, which would explain why they are so "Terran-like", with first and last names such as Helena Cain. Over time they would be found by the Lords of Kobol, aka the Greek gods, thousands of years before they went to Earth and influenced the development of Greek civilization. The Lords gave them FTL, or maybe the Colonials took it when the thirteen tribes fled Kobol. Anyway, when they finally reach Earth and find the primitive Humans there, thinking how weird it is that the same species could evolve again in a distant planet, they simply didn't know that those Humans they are seeing now are actually their ancestors hundreds of thousands of years down the line. A perfect circle.
As I said in another reply I had thoughts that the 13 Colonies and the Cylons were in an isolated part of the Andromeda Galaxy. This could also explain why there were no human level intelligent alien species in the BSG Universe. The Andromeda aliens were "walled off" by the BSG "gods" guiding them (in real life, Edward James Olmos who played Commander Adama, said he would refuse to play the part if there were "bug eyed monsters" in the show). Thylium could be a substance unknown in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Ronald Moore, who wrote TNG and Voyage Trek, might have inadvertently set BSG in the same universe without intention. However, I really like the theory.
I actually wanted the reboot BSG to happen along with a reboot of Space: Above and Beyond, with a crossover in the final season of both. They have quite similar foundations so could have worked quite well I think
@@davidtherwhanger6795 They had a number of such opportunities in the 80s. I remember expecting one of Airwolf and Knight Rider, or The A Team and The Fall Guy
@@davidtherwhanger6795 in a way they did indirectly. There was an out there episode from the second season reboot of Buck Rogers, They find a ship damaged with a bunch of little generals and a black private (it was the 80's go with it). Anyway in their dialog it's mentioned they showed the Cyclons how tough they were. So in the BR universe the Cylons were there to. Now depending on how you treat everything. The revamped spinoff of Glactica, Galactica 80 had the Colonials reaching modern Earth in 1980. Of course it's shown literally in simulation how woefully we'd be unable to repel a Cylon attack. And the series goes from there. What if the Cylons did find Earth in the end defeated but found it. That would describe the destruction we see in BR. To the world it would look like we blew ourselves up. But those are the survivors that weren't where the destruction happened. They're all dead. With out seeing the ships or the centurions It could be assumed we did it to ourselves. I do believe that there was a plan to eventually have some sort of crossover between BSG and BR. It just got screwed up in the process.
At first I was... unentheused. But your points are great, Picard S1 and OG trek laid some good groundwork for it. I thought about Ronald D. Moore's involvement in both franchises and the obvious influence of New Battlestar on New Trek.
This video also had me thinking about how it’s not just modern Trek that reuses semi-tired robo-cliches… TOS was doing it too! Hell at least half of TOS episodes are just homages/pastiches of other sci-fi or naval stories. There’s really not very much that’s original in Trek if you just look at story beats and vague outlines, it’s really all about the specific way it’s put together, the atmosphere, the characters, the mood. And that’s fine! There’s no such thing as an original story anyway.
I actually like to think of Westworld as the follow-on from Battlestar Galactica. Nothing conflicts and it makes thematic sense. Obviously I know it's not, but the two work well together.
If the galaxy is billions of years old, our solar system is just over 4 billion years old, and the process for humans to evolve is just a few million, humanity could have had cycled at least several times. And there are galaxies older than ours. As Data would put it: "It is possible."
Maybe... but human evolution does not exist in a vacuum. A lot of other species came before that led to us. Fish to amphibians, to reptiles, to therapsids, to mammals, to larger semi-arboreal mammals. And then a lot of factors had to be in place to push some of those early apes away from their comfortable jungle lifestyle into one that forced them to use their brains and improve their communication skills to the point that some of their new traits would actually lead to LESS survivability were it not for the improvements created by said larger brains. Of course, to your own point, I sometimes wonder if humans are just the first Earth species to attain civilization, and some others may join us, given enough time (or possibly even human encouragement/interference).
LOL I came up with the shared universe theory as soon as Galen said he was going to settle down in the British Isles presumably to be the progenitor of the Gaels. I was like: "Scotty's lineage confirmed! It all makes sense now!"
Lore Reloaded: Do they share the same universe? Ronald D. Moore: There's a special joy you get having a show on the air that people are interested in and wanting to know what happens next....What does it mean to be human, and what is at the human heart, and is there a soul, or is that all there is? Can an artificial being be intelligent? Is 'intelligent' the definition of humanity, or is it something deeper?
Honestly I like the idea. Could you imagine an episode of BSG where Q appeared on the command deck of Galactica? Q verbally sparing with the Admiral. That would be entertaining!
There was a fanfic,"Going Native" that well described the First Contact btw TNG Enterprise and the derelict colonials, when a Cylon battlegroup arrives....well didn't end well for the latter.
@@alessiodecarolis Actually, with the incredible hacking capabilities of the Cylons and Federation ships' susceptibility to such hacking, I'd be more worried about the Enterprise, mainly because their best chance is to blow the Cylons out of the sky before any hacking took place ... something Picard would never do in a first contact situation.
@@dmacbass Right, but for hacking a system you need to know it and how it works, remember that the Cylons had to send some number SIX to infiltrate, plus Fed systems are totally different and in that Fanfiction the Cylons shot first, and the Enterprise responded accordingly
@@alessiodecarolis Then the Cylons were morons! I was thinking of the episode where an alien computer virus compromised the E-D's sister ship Yamato and blew it out of the sky by causing a reactor failure. I don't recall the alien virus having to take time to get to know the systems. Federation computer software in general just seems really buggy and prone to failures in general, and when those failures happen the ship is dead weight with no real manual control options. It seems like the Cylons should have a big edge the moment Picard tries to establish contact ... as long as they're smart enough to go for the hack instead of just opening fire on a fully functional ship that carries antimatter weapons.
Terminator, Mass Effect, Isaac Asimov's Robot series, and strangely enough Knight Rider are just a few TV series, games, books or movies that could be set in the same universe as new BSG.
Me and my best friend talked about fitting BSG and Star Trek together. We also fitted Star Wars in as well. We also had the Cylons as predecessors to the Borg.
In the late 70's, I imagined the Galatica, with the cylons in pursuit, traveling right into a 3 way war between the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. Keep in mind, I didn't know anything about the mapping of the galaxy (or universe) of ST:TOS or BSG (1978). I just thought the conflicts would be cool. Maybe the Galatica would be welcomed by the federation, but the Cylons would try to attack everyone... and probably be slaughtered. I've thought about this over the years and have come up with different scenarios, even mixing in other sci-fi shows or movies. I did realize that TOS technology was far superior to BSG technology. Also, the battle styles were quite different. TOS tended to have battles with large war ships, but with more powerful weapons and defenses than BSG. Though, there isn't much in the way of maneuverable fighter like craft in the Federation, Klingon or Romulan fleets. However, in BSG, the war ships were more like aircraft carriers, with more maneuverable fighters doing most of the attacks, though still much weaker than anything from TOS universe. I like the idea of crossovers or mixing of otherwise unrelated shows, whether the merging of the shows make continuity or logical since or not. It's just fun what ifs for me.
I am actually watching BSG right now. They’re at the eye of Jupiter right now. Where the Star is about to go nova. And this is a really interesting episode!
This reminds me of when I tried making a unified scifi universe (similar to the Pixar theory) and the basic premise was that each scifi universe eventually creates some form of cylons (borg in star trek, cybermen in doctor who, the two different cylons in both Battlestar Galacticas, the robots in the matrix, the many rebel droids in stars, etc) and the universe resets. As for this theory, it could work, it would require that a space fairing race rise, fall, rise again and then fall again during a time period where a space fairing race was desperately looking for other space fairing races, to the point where they seeded the galaxy.
I may be wrong, but I think the Remnant Fleet spent most of it's journey in the void between stars, which could also explain why the didn't encounter anyone.
That does also have implications for alternate types of ftl travel that would by pass normal sensors, imagine if the Dominion or Romulans found an old base star and found the ftl Drive.
Jump drives would change everything because there is no warning. Don't forget that the Cylons were able to jump greater distances than the Colonial ships.
You missed the Voyager episode where the B'elana is fixing a robot(cylon) fighting identical robots that destroyed their organic masters.........sort of like centurions fighting for eternity(also one of them is played by the actor that played black male humanoid cylon)
Battlestar galactica is set in the past but star trek is set in the future, so since both include us in their timeline they can be connected that way. Most of sci-fi is just people riffing on Isaac Asimov's ideas, so the series share a lot of concepts in common. Really it isn't surprising that one can link the two series.
It's important to keep in mind that this is a fan theory. It's up to the creators of their respective shows to determin whether are connected. Reminds me of when Bethesda Game Studios released Fallout 4 in 2015. In it there was a plant that was also used in another game series by BGS, The Elder Scrolls. People started theorizing that, because this plant was in Fallout 4, that The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout series were connected. Fan theorists got pissed when Pete Hines, VP of Marketing at Bethesda SoftWorks, came out and shot down those theories. In one article Pete states the reason why this theory wouldn't work is because Fallout wasn't even made by Bethesda. Bethesda bought the Fallout IP from it's original creators, Interplay.
Very interesting theory and you sinc it very well. Adama, did say "over a million parsers away" that puts the 12 Colonies in a completely different galaxy, maybe Andromeda or Small Magalllic Cloud as those are the closest ones to us
Great hypothesis. Now, I will add the final proof. My theory is after Vouager 6 emerged on the other side of the galaxy, it encountered the Free Cylon homeworld. Spock did describe it as a planet of living machines with unbelievable technology. And, the Cylons had 150,000 years to evolve and may have decided not to repeat the cycle of becoming organic. It is very conceivable V'Ger was built by the descendents of those original Cylons.
I re-edited the Picard series for myself (crazy but fun and rewarding project). The most ambitious thing I changed was replacing the Admonition with my own. In it, I included the line “All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.”
I never considered that the beings called to destroy organic life in Picard could be Cylons. They very well could be the Centurions that they gave the basestar to. The ones that earned their freedom and were sent to find their own destiny. They would know how organic life had used the AI and decided to kill any organic life that went down that path again.
I'm pretty sure people are going to disagree with me but I'm a man with low for fantasy and science-fiction this makes total sense LOL I love lore Reloaded I've been watching your stuff for a couple of years and seriously it does make sense even though the franchises have nothing to do with each other but when you put it in the way you just did it works and I also think you could work with the Mass Effect franchise just something to think about and someone posted about the centurions could have been the daddies and mommies of the Borg wicked
I honestly think this is ultimately just conjecture. AI plots often tell a relatively similar story. It's not really possible to prove that these aren't happening in the same universe, but given the technologies we see, and when they are developed in a relative sense, I think we can safely exclude the theory. The prolific nature of warp is particularly striking to me
Makes sense, I'm told especially if you tie into all this ideas by author Graham Hancock who says Human history is more ancient than we think and Humans have just forgot our past plus segments of the Ancient Aliens visiting Earth theories.
I do like to play this game. Fiction is rich with common tropes so many universes could theoretically slot together. If you want to lean ultra hard into "everything that has happened will happen again" every single fiction that was ever created could theoretically pass through the same universe with a long enough timeline.
In the original battlestar galactica series, they did encounter multiple other species, including a reptilian species, which actually created the silones after kidnapping and studying human locomotion and physiology.
Wow, it is nice to know someone else thinks about Star Trek like I do. I have been in love with Trek since the 70's when I was a youngster. I even saw the Animated Series when it first aired. No, I think the same thing and I did not know I was not the only one. I have added this to own Star Trek time-line. The Cylon toaster machines (possibly some Humanoids too) that went out on their own and for reasons I will not go into here became the seed for the Borg and some of the other android races seen up to and including V'Ger. Don't forget Ron Moore helped creat BSG and wrote for ST. He even developed the Klingon culture.
I like the fan-fic where BSG shares a universe with "V". And then there are the Fan-fics where BSG shares the universe with Stargate. And yes there are also multiple BSG and Star Trek cross-over fan-fics. All great and well written stories!
The reason the Battlestar Galactica and the humanoid silence never encountered the Vulcans or the Klingons is because of their FTL they wasn't flying through the Galaxy they teleported from wherever they was to our solar system so they never got near Balkan or Klingon or Romulus or andoria what they never got near none of the other planets and by the time they got there their s*** they said could never jump again so even if they wanted to they couldn't leave the solar system and they didn't anyway they destroyed their ship and all their technology and become primitive I'd say after a couple hundred years most of them didn't even remember you know remember what where they came from or and I think that they wiped out the native I think they're descendants wiped out the native species I don't I think there might have been some interbreeding but not a lot the creatures that were here those were the Neanderthals and US modern humans are descended from the Battlestar Galactica and the five ones the synthetic silence see the cylons were basically humans they will just clones they were they were genetically engineered clones I mean yeah they they will support they had it you know they I think that's what helped them survive too because they had that enhanced where I wouldn't get sick and they could fight off a lot of diseases and stuff and all that but it was eventually there wasn't enough of them and there's too many humans and that was eventually deluded so much that it don't matter now
At first I was like, "what madness is this?" But as soon as I saw the image of the Cylons it clicked.... "oohhhh, the prophecy of the apocalypse via artificial life". I'll need to mull on that, but very intriguing!
while i don't believe they are in the same universe i have often wondered what would have happened Galactica crossed paths with Voyager would they exchange pleasantries and be on their seperate ways? would Adama try and seize control of Voyager? would they work together to make it back to earth/the 13th colony? would one or both captains view the other as some kind of deception by their respective enemies? would Voyagers computer system be able to fend off the cylon hack?
Short answer YES, Now what would be interesting is the combination of technologies. Current BSG is fairly Newtonian in it weaponry. Flack cannons, rail gun ordinance of vipers. Strategic and Tactical Nukes. Voyager is better tech Shields, Energy based weapons (both main ship phasers down to a hand phaser) High yield Torpedoes (Photon and Quantum). While yes the Cylons can break into Computers, there are too many sophisticated security stops for this to happen. The one big thing that the colonials could give Voyager would be Jump Technology. That alone could shorten their journey by decades to possibly a few months to years. While Janeway would be reticent to giving the colonials everything. I could see her giving theme food replicators to alleviate the conditions they were living in. Along with escorting them back to Earth. Three Base ships pop in they see this small ship and ignore it. They watch as the raiders are just picked off by the dozen by Voyager's weaponry. Then they launch nukes at them which never get close. Then three torpedoes are fired at them. A moment later no more Base ships. That's the kind of Tech discrepancy we're talking about. Still that would be a fun encounter.
@@Midnight.Shadows yes but you don't find out about that until the very end, what i'm saying is *what if* instead of the distant past Galactica was set in the future and encountered Star Fleet (specifically Voyage) in deep space
Human colonization from Africa started cca. 100 000 years ago. Survivors of the last Colonial - Cylon war arrived around this time (presumably). In Star - Trek timeline it is 100 000 years after fall of Iconia which is just one of several large empires/federations that existed before first modern human left Africa. Btw the Borg collective already existed (although at this time merely as insignificant oddity). Iconians were species number 29. So the Milky Way was already fully seeded and full of space faring intelligent civilizations.
This deserved more research than just a 5 minute video. I know some people in the comment are taking the pish, I know you try for more content, more often. I know star trek is your thing. I know you're limited by funds, time and sources. But this is such a good concept. I will still watch your stuff regardless of if you see this comment. But sometimes I just wish you took more time to look at your stuff and draw real parallels. I'm not saying you don't put effort into your work, which I enjoy really. I just wish you took more time to explore the concept that really are worth the time. You know the ones I'm talking about. Star trek has so many writers, I believe anything you could contribute, like what you have contributed before, would really be better than more than half of any of the previous star trek writers.
Sorry, just to add. Your live streams is great when I catch it. Just, I feel when you get a good idea from one and you just belt out a video asap. When you really have more time than you think. I'm just a loser tho. You're the director here.
My fan theory is that Saved By The Bell is a precursor to Star Trek. Screech's robot is the precursor to both Harry Mudd's android women and Data and Lore. Zack Morris is a distant ancestor of James T. Kirk, who inherited Zack's ability to charm females (although not Zack's ability to freeze time by saying, "Time out.") 😆
Ok, for a time line including both; In Trek lore we have the Iconians who existed 250k years ago and collapsed due to being all but destroyed by the Arroway, now, if i'm reading this right the 12 Colonies and Kobol are in the Beta quadrant roughly 55,000 light years from here it's said that Kobol was inhabited around 160-200,000 years ago and 50k years later the thirteen tribes emigrated leaving some Kobolians left there these later evolved becoming the entities who crewed the Light ships seen in "War of the Gods" one of which the entity "john" appeared to both Starbuck and Apollo in "Experiment in Terra" and later on as Leoban who appeared to contemporary Starbuck just before she died in the malestrom. Yes, you can bring in the first "preservers" from STNG as the mantle of "preserver" had been passed from race to race over millions of years, the Ancient Kobolians were being preservers when they helped guide the fleet to this Earth 150k years ago, now in the series they abandoned their technology and started again but 3-4k years later their decendants would have headed back out into space, however that doesnt explain why theres no trace of them, a mini ice age would account for that, considering that recorded human history dates back 25k years and it's taken us that long- the 800 year long dark ages can also be taken into account- to start back out into space. Also please consider the Space 1999 episode "Testiment of Arcadia" where the survivors of Arcadia colonised Earth roughly 22k years ago....just saying. As for Star Trek, we're dreaming of a future where human kind is back out in the stars and well, look at Discovery; the battle at the end of S2, Discovery and Enterprise were being the Battlestars of their day. And the strange thing is; just how can we imagine a story in such detail if it was only that...just a story and not a memory.
Nice theory. Except both Ronald D. Moore and Edward James Olmos have made it crystal clear that aliens do not exist in the BSG verse. IIRC, Moore even wrote a paper about it.
If you run through all the earthlike worlds in the milkyway galaxy across all of Star Trek, you end up with the galaxy averaging something like 350,000 non-life bearing stars for every 1 with life in the system. That's just a mind-bogglingly huge amount of space to explore. We know precious little about Trek during the era 150,000 years ago, but the vulkans do mention, in Enterprise, that there's recently been something of an explosion of warp capable species out and about, around the same time Earth first hits their radar. It makes sense that there would have been far fewer species that had already made their way out to the stars back during BSG. Which makes it far easier to accept why they wouldn't have run into any of dem dang lil' green aliums.
Far more likely that the writers of Picard said "Hey! Who know Battlestar Galactica? Has anyone thought to do a TV show about that?" "Well gee, I don't think so." "Then how about we do it!"
I prefer to believe that BSG and firefly are not only the same universe but happen around the same time, with the Earth that was being the first Earth that the fleet found. The story of the Earth that was that is told in firefly sounds similar to the memories of the final five.
I think there are some rights issues that would keep them from being in the same universe. Lore-wise it could work. I always thought the ending of BSG was a bit goofy, but if it did loop into the Star Trek universe that would make it better.
The best argument to support this claim would be in The Original Series episodes Miri and The Paradise Syndrome. The episode Miri proposed that there are duplicate Earths. A theme that was only explored in the Shatnerverse novels Spectre, Dark Victory, and Preserver. The Paradise Syndrome implied that the Preservers would save some cultures from extinction. From this, I submit 2 possibilities: 1. The humans from Battlestar Reimagined are from a duplicate Earth, elsewhere in the galaxy. 2. They are descendants from a group of humans that were saved from extinction.
The #1 bit of proof: A constitution class ship was in the refugee fleet. Clearly it was the enterprise having travelled back in time 150,000 years ago for some purpose we may never know.
I aways had this fantasy of Starbuck making that last, final giant jump that would break Galactica's back and bring them to second Earth into Federation space with a Galaxy Class Federation Starship causiously making First Contact under Yellow Alert! And come on, Kara Thrace (Starbuck) and Tasha Yar can be Sisters! Cousins at least! 😊😉
There is no doubt that those two tasha yar & Kara Thrace could both be family there's no doubt absolutely too gorgeous woman.. relatively the same body type and same hair color. Since they're blondes most likely blue eyes I completely agree and that would be awesome for her to jump the Galactica right there in front of the Enterprise D in season 1 of Star Trek the next generation
@Dimitrius Didimitrius You don't know the plot of BSG? The Rag Tag Fleet found Earth but it didn't look like ours. There was no Americas, Africa, Asia, etc. Just a Class M planet that achieved at least early 21st century technology. This was the Earth of the 13th lost Tribe of the Colonies. Surfice it to say it didn't work out. The Cylon "gods" then led Kara Trace through visions to our Earth 112,000 years ago to start over-including mating with the primitive humans that were already here via parallel evolution. The mems we thought of as our own original thoughts like say a musical number like Jimmy Hendrick's "Watchtower" are just those mems passed down through to us with the merging of the humanoid Cylons, Colonial Humans, and Earth humans into one. We all have a little Cylon in us. 😊
I find the battlestar “reboot” a prequel to the original battlestar, reboot way back in the past original the 1980’s survivors shown on the colonies in the reboot to slowly rebuild and eventually have the cylons forgotten before they return to start the 1000 yarn war and the reboots saying “what happened before will happen again”
You forgot to bring up the fact that the Colonials/Cylons did in fact bump into alien tech in S3E7 “A Measure of Salvation”, a probe of unknown origins which contained a biological contagion
Interesting theory. Some thing so lone up but with all the exploring that has been done you would think they have found the 12 colonies. Now another thought is maybe the borg have a link to the cyclons. Just a thought.
Nice theory. I LOVE the 'eternal return' aspect of the BSG series. But to coincide it with Star Trek needs more than this. But if anyone really could pull this off, it would be badass.
The preservers seed the universe billions of years ago. Humans in the bsg universe formed the 13 colonies 5,000 years before the events in the series took place. That's 5,000 years of space travel. They would have encountered humanoid aliens several times by then. Considering the amount of life in Star Trek, it would be unavoidable.
I would have like to have seen a crossover episode involving Star Trek or Stargate. To give the people in the fleet hope or even have actually met in person, or finding things telling them that hey we are here or at least were. Or maybe finding one of our space probes like Voyager 1 or 2. Not really possible with Galactica being set to have taken place thousands of years earlier.. But who's to say humans on earth didn't develop and evolve on a similar time-line as did the colonies. Just thought it would've been an interesting twist.
Very interesting. As for why BSG never encounter aliens…. Well they didn’t travel through space, they jumped. A ship at warp would travel through sectors of space while jump drives just bypassed all that. Like transporting from a dessert in Nevada to an isolated swamp in Louisiana. You wouldn’t cross state territories or pass by major cities that can be seen/scanned along the way.
They also wouldn't be able to pick up any signals from the colonial fleet because they worked on primitive radio, not subspace comms
Here's an interesting hypothesis. What if BSG's "jumping" was really just Warp 10, or a version of the Spore Drive from Discovery or something. Like somehow they figured out the hard part first, and so never had a reason to use any lesser warp factor. Zefram Cochrane on the other hand had to cobble together his prototype using scraps left over from World War 3, and so that's what Starfleet ended up basing their tech on. Maybe if he'd had better parts, Starfleet would've started out at Warp 10 as well.
The BSG cycle is a creator species creates a slave species, which then rebels, then during the war a convoy and hybrid is formed which seeds the next planet with a slave species colony going it alone elsewhere. Firefly is officially in the Buffyverse and the startup for Firefly is that a convoy of humans travelled to another star system to settle it. In BSG a Firefly is seen before the war. In Star Trek many slave species are created that rebelled against their creators and many species have left their original planets. Just think of stories that fit the cycle.
Although they jumped the areas would have been surveyed, for good planets/mining etc not as if the thought lets just go 100 light years that way and ignore anything inbetween
Except babylon 5 blows that out of the water and they used jump tech too.
You might be better off positing that the Cylon centurions who left began a search for perfection and ended up as the precursors to the Borg.
Other theorists say Transformers.
Huh, nice. Though i still thing v'ger is responsible for the borg
@@blackc1479 or possibly Borg were the ones that upgraded V'ger. The short Trek story l read had the Borg start as a doctor trying to save his dying daughter by creating nanobots to "Restore her body to Perfectly Healthy" thereby removing the need for the synthetic organs that were helping to keep her alive and since they had learning capacity they went beyond intended purpose and came up with the "Perfect Body" was a mix of organic & synthetic and the Borg were born
There is an arc of books that tell the history of the Borg. They also show the end of the Borg that Picard doesn’t recognize.
They dont have to be the same thing. Why not seperate?
I like Edward James Olmos’ observation that Battlestar Galactica and Bladerunner could belong in the same universe.
Edward James Olmos once said that if anyone wearing an alien costume comes onto the set he's walking off.
And yet he was OK with 60s-era music being used as a beacon...
@@spaceflight1019 that was pretty odd that they did that. The music was cool, it just didn't belong on the show. I did like Gaeta's Lament, though.
@@jeremyweaver9598 , I would have loved to have seen John DeLancie as Q tormenting Dean Stockwell's Brother Cavill over the breakdown of "The Plan", the Cylon civil war, and the illogic of destroying one's parents. Written properly, it could have been epic!
@@spaceflight1019 every somg has been written before, every song will be written again.
@@stephenramsey5585 , but you gotta check the copyright first. See Queen vs. Vanilla Ice for details...lol!
Now: how Star Trek is in fact the Dark Age of Technology humans.
Correction: The beginning of "The Golden Age of Technology".
It only becomes "The Dark Age of Technology" from the prospective of the utterly broken and backward Imperium AFTER that period of time.
@@DocWolph so… Disco era future episodes?
Or would that be more “The beginning of the end” of the golden age?
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I am assuming the original comment was of WH40K. In that setting, the Golden Age of Technology was worked toward but was not reached until M10 and did not end until around M23 or M24. Star Trek takes place predominately in M3-M4. So, if my assumptions on the meaning of that comment are correct, I meant the BEGINNING of the Golden Age of Technology.
Inconsistent because 40k states that humanity left the Solar System in the 18th millenium, while Star Trek has been doing so since very early 22nd century
@User 905 chaos finds a way
Little tidbit I learned watching Voyager just yesterday: The Hirogen use tylium for fuel, just like the Colonial Fleet. (ref: Voyager season 7 episode 709/710 "Flesh and Blood")
Great find! Thank you.
Look at the space-folding transporter in TNG and the jump drive in BSG you will find that they have striking similarity.
Well Einstein 5th Voyager came out practically 20 years before the reboot a battlestar galactica don't you suppose they walked Voyager and took the fuel concept from Voyager and anyway they were not humans that were using the same fuel were they they were at alien species! Add they were in the delta quadrant not the alpha quadrant let's see what other space sagas could be in the same universe as Star Trek and battlestar galactica what about the 1980s TV show Paul V or gene roddenberry's Andromeda or gene roddenberry's earth final conflict what about Babylon 5 oh wait there's three different series of stargate.
@@heyrobwest3908 wut?
@@Chen_Linge So is jump drive just the coaxial warp drive starfleet couldn't figure out then?
Alternately, the Cylons set out to exterminate their creators, were largely successful… and then the Reapers showed up and wiped them all out. All of this has happened before… in another cycle of the galaxy. 😎
Aye, any remaining human survivors that evaded the Mechaniclism were united by the God-Emperor of Mankind and settled within the Webway.
Ascending and becoming a beings of pure thought and energy. Later humans of the Terran Empire called them the Ancients.
What if the Flood eliminated the Forerunners who created the Cylons......
Then the MOTERFRACKING BORG SHOW UP TO FINISH THE JOB...
Exactly 😂😂
@@bgcvetan you love eating your pizza with everything on it :D
> Preservers (Ancient Ones)
> Add Eons of Time
> Get Changelings
> Same Actress
> Same Facial Physiology
> Changelings are Masters of Genetics
*Preservers = Changelings*
the preservers are different from the ancient ones, from what i can tell - i might be reading tha twrong.
@@LoreReloaded whichever one is from TNG that spread human form everywhere is the one I meant..
..but I think it makes sense that they evolved into Changelings
The ancients are precursors not preservers
theoretically Battlestar Galactica could be easily intergraded into nearly any sci fi show that has earth in it, such as macross, gundam, star gate, Warhammer 40k, Babylon 5 and more
Let's see: Macross, (the Gods were the Protoculture, the proto-Colonials were one of the nascent species they adjusted, Kobol was one of the remaining PC colonies hiding from the Zentradi, singing and song DOES play a significant role... wait, back up, that they didn't experience any death from above from Zentradi fleets that had been plying the spaceways for 500k years (by modern reckoning) probably nixes that 'verse)
B5- I mean, it would kinda put the Head Characters as Vorlons- and honestly that's as much as I could get. Given that both the Shadows and Vorlons kept kicking around space, would be hard to have no evidence of them (or the other First Ones) cropping up. (Though given that the scope of B5's main story varies from "half the galaxy" to several hundred light years, depending on the angle of approach (haven't compared the various maps)...)
@TJ of Someplace The problem with the Stargate universe is the idea that space is completely full of life. The stargate only went to a about 50,000 worlds in the Milky Way. The Milky way has billions of potential worlds, so it might not be as easy to write that off.
On the other hand, there have been a number of times where humans created sentient machines that rebelled against their creators (Milky Way replicators being one incarnation).
This cluster duck of things is why a crossover should never never never ever happen.
@@AwankO or perhaps the reason why it SHOULD happen
Yep. Many fanfiction can prof that)
150,000 years is a long time for civilisations to rise and fall, so we could be seeing a part galaxy relatively fresh from seeding, while the part that the Kobal is in could be an older section or a test bed for the ancients.
Also, I am going to bring this up next live stream
Well, until they landed on Earth II, they never even saw proto-Humanity... And 150,000 years ago, humans were in massive number across the globe, but on specific areas in small tribal groups. From what I understood, the Preservers' seeding took place millions (or perhaps billions) of (Terran) years ago- and it would be unlikely that the proto-Vulcans or proto-Cardassians would be significantly more advanced than the proto-Humans that far back. So they could have easily stopped over Cardassia Prime, dropped Raptors down to stock up on some fruits and veggies, and headed back out without coming across one of the bands of proto-Spoonheads.
@@Sephiroth144 I thought the same thing, I just thought that possibly the colonials we're a older experiment of the preservers or were seeded first and for some reason they developed faster or first.
@@didact9571 Given the timeframe I'm assuming, a tiny difference in evolutionary speed could equal several million years faster development to sapient life; heck, I'm presuming the Preservers seeded the older age of races (at the same time, but again, faster development), such as the T'Kon's or Iconians...
@@Sephiroth144 very possible, I was assuming species that were similar would evolve at a similar rate but you have a good point. That also brings up the idea that by modern trek most of the colonials traces may have been covered up or destroyed by other civilizations that popped up in-between and we would never see any trace or even a hint of colonials. As far as we know the original colonies are in Romulan space and have been covered by three other extinct civilizations. 150,000 years is a large gulf of time for civilizations.
The cylons could very well be the precursor to the Borg. To touch up on why Battlestar Galactica never encountered any of the Star Trek aliens. It was probably during the time before they discovered warp drive. T'pol even clearly stated that when the Vulcans went into deep space there was a lot less warp-capable species back then
Borg evolved from one of the mothership hybrid dead ends like in RAZOR? Good call
Mind the fact that it was 150k year before the early 2ks and I’m pretty sure the Iconians fell 100k years before TNG era no aliens were encountered because the humans were first and the many fallen human civilizations the survivors move and survived and evolved to split from humanity who was seeded by the progenitors, their statement that they seed the universe was because they did it by accident by seeding humanity who seeded a ton of other planets by the cycle of war between humans and cylons
Crazy: Yes but then again this entire theory is
Yeah on a recent rewatch of first contact I noticed the botg queens speech to data felt very similar to what cavil said elen and since the flee came to the conclusion that pure human doesn't work and pure cylon doesn't work what's to say the centurions also didn't come to this conclusion pure machine didn't work and pure human didn't work so they created the borg
And since battlestar galactica happens 150000 years before what can only be assumed to be 2004-2009 its reasonable to assume that most other species hadn't developed warp drive yet seeing as the vulvans only had what warp in enterprise so they onl deleveloped warp driver a few hundred years before humanity
*Next Time on Lore Reloaded:*
How Species 8472 was responsible for the Kilrathi Kn'Thrak and the events of Wing Commander: Prophecy.
This just in: Sci-fi show has common elements with a different sci-fi show.
What of Picard was a Space Marine for House Atredies? That I can prove.
The Thinking Machines ultimately made Star Fleet lazy. Then Picard was reincarnated as this Atriedes Marine. Blazing a way to The Golden Path to fight the coming invasion. Picard in another life was also possessed by a hot vampire naked lady and almost made out with a dude. God has an extensive plan for Picard.
Astartes?
ATOMICS!
Yup I Saw it happen
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Given the amount of timescale involved, yeah why not?
The Beings of Light could be the Q or Organians or something.
the Lords of cobal?
@@patriotsrebelsrogues7332 Yeah those could work as well but afaik they are different from the Beings of Light.
It could definitely be made to line up (sans that whole licensing issue). Another way to look at it would be a connection between Reboot BSG and OG BSG. As an avid fan of both versions, I interpreted the whole “It’s happened before and will happen again,” to imply a possible connection between the old series and the “new” series. By the end, it’s revealed that new BSG was set in the ancient past, while old BSG was more or less set in our present day, in our 20th century. In effect, Moore’s BSG reboot would be a loose prequel to the original series (or the original series a loose sequel to the reboot.)
It’s also worth noting that the first human-appearing Cylon was not in the reboot. That precedent was already set in the much reviled “Galactica 1980” (a series I actually enjoyed and still consider under-appreciated). But I’m weird that way.
On a similar note, is the origenal battlestar galactica a sequal to star wars... And buckrogers in the 25th century a sequal to that?
Ah the Internet, your window to long forgotten sci fi...
Flash Gordon much more than Buck Rogers. Star Wars actually was a Flash Gordon revival, but George Lucas couldn't get the licensing (they already had plans) so he changed names rewrote settings to make it a separate creation. Battlestar Galactica as a sequel to Star Wars is a really fun idea.
@@pianotm now I'm not saying that ming the merciless is a sith Lord, but....
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Many moons ago there was a short fan edit between the original Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Both shows were made by Glen Larson so it meshed almost perfectly. The video has since vanished from the interwebs.
@DEEPFOXJUDE because of the inherently isoteric nature of the accumulated material? or...
The original BattleStar:GALATICA was very much a Star Wars -ripoff- tribute. The reimagined Battlestar:Galactica you could describe as a parody of 9/11 and all the chaos and paranoia that it exhumed in our society.
Yeah - I remember theories about BSG being in one universe with Star Trek and other franchises, when it was still running. Especially towards the end.
I mean technically by that logic Star Wars is in the same universe just a different galaxy
@@huasohvac Oh, SW is totally in our universe. That's why ET recognized a Yoda Halloween costume and his species was represented in the Galactic Senate. ST Prime however is in a different universe, the point of departure was the late 80's with advancements in genetics that didn't happen in ours. Still possible we're in the non-Roman Terran universe though as that was just a violent 1st contact, we have no idea if the lead up was the same as in Prime ST aside from the warp test.
@@davidkelly4210 We actually do know the divergence point for the Terran part of Star Trek.
WW2 in that universe was won by the Nazis, which, going by what happens later is a very clear response.
I think the bigger issue isn't the history, but the tech... The FTL of BSG is so far removed from that of Warp Drive... And yet, almost all Trek Species seem to eventually get Warp Drive as their FTL of choice... Until the upgrade to transwarp...
Has all the tyllium just stopped existing, forcing everyone to use antimatter?
Maybe tylium is just a different name for one of the many substances known to the Federation in Star Trek. Also, don't forget that the technology level of the Twelve Colonies is ridiculously low. Other than the superadvanced FTL drive, New BSG is even less advanced than The Expanse. There is some indication that Humanity in nuBSG got FTL from the Lords of Kobol, which could be equated to any superadvanced ascended beings in Star Trek such as the Organians and the Q. There is also the fact that they all have names and overall culture that resembles 21st century Earth, so they could be a mix of the "time-displaced Humans" with "seeded Humans" tropes.
@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw
I like it...
@@jacobdrj101 We also must not forget the effects that the Temporal Cold War could have had in the overall timeline. As for the lack of aliens in nuBSG, we can attribute it to the fact that it takes place 150,000 years ago, in a time post-T'Kon collapse and post-Iconian collapse, so it makes sense that the Colonials would be the only ones around, as they did not have to evolve all the way back to sentience, but we're actually transplanted to that time and location by a higher power. Or maybe they are temporal refugees from the Temporal Cold War, which would explain why they are so "Terran-like", with first and last names such as Helena Cain. Over time they would be found by the Lords of Kobol, aka the Greek gods, thousands of years before they went to Earth and influenced the development of Greek civilization. The Lords gave them FTL, or maybe the Colonials took it when the thirteen tribes fled Kobol. Anyway, when they finally reach Earth and find the primitive Humans there, thinking how weird it is that the same species could evolve again in a distant planet, they simply didn't know that those Humans they are seeing now are actually their ancestors hundreds of thousands of years down the line. A perfect circle.
As I said in another reply I had thoughts that the 13 Colonies and the Cylons were in an isolated part of the Andromeda Galaxy. This could also explain why there were no human level intelligent alien species in the BSG Universe. The Andromeda aliens were "walled off" by the BSG "gods" guiding them (in real life, Edward James Olmos who played Commander Adama, said he would refuse to play the part if there were "bug eyed monsters" in the show). Thylium could be a substance unknown in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Maybe tyllium had its own "Burn" 🤢
Ronald Moore, who wrote TNG and Voyage Trek, might have inadvertently set BSG in the same universe without intention. However, I really like the theory.
I actually wanted the reboot BSG to happen along with a reboot of Space: Above and Beyond, with a crossover in the final season of both. They have quite similar foundations so could have worked quite well I think
Above and Beyond was good show.
Trek / Voyager stole idea for Voth from A&B "Chigs".....Just like stole "wormhole" idea from StarGate.
Back in the day we all thought that BSG (the original) should have met up with Buck Rogers. But that was the 80's.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 They had a number of such opportunities in the 80s. I remember expecting one of Airwolf and Knight Rider, or The A Team and The Fall Guy
@@davidtherwhanger6795 in a way they did indirectly. There was an out there episode from the second season reboot of Buck Rogers, They find a ship damaged with a bunch of little generals and a black private (it was the 80's go with it). Anyway in their dialog it's mentioned they showed the Cyclons how tough they were. So in the BR universe the Cylons were there to.
Now depending on how you treat everything. The revamped spinoff of Glactica, Galactica 80 had the Colonials reaching modern Earth in 1980. Of course it's shown literally in simulation how woefully we'd be unable to repel a Cylon attack. And the series goes from there. What if the Cylons did find Earth in the end defeated but found it. That would describe the destruction we see in BR. To the world it would look like we blew ourselves up. But those are the survivors that weren't where the destruction happened. They're all dead. With out seeing the ships or the centurions It could be assumed we did it to ourselves. I do believe that there was a plan to eventually have some sort of crossover between BSG and BR. It just got screwed up in the process.
Above and Beyond is amazing.
At first I was... unentheused. But your points are great, Picard S1 and OG trek laid some good groundwork for it. I thought about Ronald D. Moore's involvement in both franchises and the obvious influence of New Battlestar on New Trek.
This video also had me thinking about how it’s not just modern Trek that reuses semi-tired robo-cliches… TOS was doing it too! Hell at least half of TOS episodes are just homages/pastiches of other sci-fi or naval stories. There’s really not very much that’s original in Trek if you just look at story beats and vague outlines, it’s really all about the specific way it’s put together, the atmosphere, the characters, the mood. And that’s fine! There’s no such thing as an original story anyway.
All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again...
The preacher knew what was going on.
I actually like to think of Westworld as the follow-on from Battlestar Galactica. Nothing conflicts and it makes thematic sense. Obviously I know it's not, but the two work well together.
If the galaxy is billions of years old, our solar system is just over 4 billion years old, and the process for humans to evolve is just a few million, humanity could have had cycled at least several times. And there are galaxies older than ours. As Data would put it: "It is possible."
Maybe... but human evolution does not exist in a vacuum. A lot of other species came before that led to us. Fish to amphibians, to reptiles, to therapsids, to mammals, to larger semi-arboreal mammals. And then a lot of factors had to be in place to push some of those early apes away from their comfortable jungle lifestyle into one that forced them to use their brains and improve their communication skills to the point that some of their new traits would actually lead to LESS survivability were it not for the improvements created by said larger brains.
Of course, to your own point, I sometimes wonder if humans are just the first Earth species to attain civilization, and some others may join us, given enough time (or possibly even human encouragement/interference).
LOL I came up with the shared universe theory as soon as Galen said he was going to settle down in the British Isles presumably to be the progenitor of the Gaels. I was like: "Scotty's lineage confirmed! It all makes sense now!"
Lore Reloaded: Do they share the same universe?
Ronald D. Moore: There's a special joy you get having a show on the air that people are interested in and wanting to know what happens next....What does it mean to be human, and what is at the human heart, and is there a soul, or is that all there is? Can an artificial being be intelligent? Is 'intelligent' the definition of humanity, or is it something deeper?
Honestly I like the idea. Could you imagine an episode of BSG where Q appeared on the command deck of Galactica? Q verbally sparing with the Admiral. That would be entertaining!
"I don't have time for this. Either kill us, or get off my ship."
There was a fanfic,"Going Native" that well described the First Contact btw TNG Enterprise and the derelict colonials, when a Cylon battlegroup arrives....well didn't end well for the latter.
@@alessiodecarolis Actually, with the incredible hacking capabilities of the Cylons and Federation ships' susceptibility to such hacking, I'd be more worried about the Enterprise, mainly because their best chance is to blow the Cylons out of the sky before any hacking took place ... something Picard would never do in a first contact situation.
@@dmacbass Right, but for hacking a system you need to know it and how it works, remember that the Cylons had to send some number SIX to infiltrate, plus Fed systems are totally different and in that Fanfiction the Cylons shot first, and the Enterprise responded accordingly
@@alessiodecarolis Then the Cylons were morons!
I was thinking of the episode where an alien computer virus compromised the E-D's sister ship Yamato and blew it out of the sky by causing a reactor failure. I don't recall the alien virus having to take time to get to know the systems. Federation computer software in general just seems really buggy and prone to failures in general, and when those failures happen the ship is dead weight with no real manual control options.
It seems like the Cylons should have a big edge the moment Picard tries to establish contact ... as long as they're smart enough to go for the hack instead of just opening fire on a fully functional ship that carries antimatter weapons.
Terminator, Mass Effect, Isaac Asimov's Robot series, and strangely enough Knight Rider are just a few TV series, games, books or movies that could be set in the same universe as new BSG.
Me and my best friend talked about fitting BSG and Star Trek together. We also fitted Star Wars in as well. We also had the Cylons as predecessors to the Borg.
In the late 70's, I imagined the Galatica, with the cylons in pursuit, traveling right into a 3 way war between the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. Keep in mind, I didn't know anything about the mapping of the galaxy (or universe) of ST:TOS or BSG (1978). I just thought the conflicts would be cool. Maybe the Galatica would be welcomed by the federation, but the Cylons would try to attack everyone... and probably be slaughtered. I've thought about this over the years and have come up with different scenarios, even mixing in other sci-fi shows or movies.
I did realize that TOS technology was far superior to BSG technology. Also, the battle styles were quite different. TOS tended to have battles with large war ships, but with more powerful weapons and defenses than BSG. Though, there isn't much in the way of maneuverable fighter like craft in the Federation, Klingon or Romulan fleets. However, in BSG, the war ships were more like aircraft carriers, with more maneuverable fighters doing most of the attacks, though still much weaker than anything from TOS universe.
I like the idea of crossovers or mixing of otherwise unrelated shows, whether the merging of the shows make continuity or logical since or not. It's just fun what ifs for me.
I am actually watching BSG right now. They’re at the eye of Jupiter right now. Where the Star is about to go nova. And this is a really interesting episode!
Love it. The combining of BSG my favorite show of all time and Star Trek, my second favorite. They do meld quiet nicely.
This reminds me of when I tried making a unified scifi universe (similar to the Pixar theory) and the basic premise was that each scifi universe eventually creates some form of cylons (borg in star trek, cybermen in doctor who, the two different cylons in both Battlestar Galacticas, the robots in the matrix, the many rebel droids in stars, etc) and the universe resets.
As for this theory, it could work, it would require that a space fairing race rise, fall, rise again and then fall again during a time period where a space fairing race was desperately looking for other space fairing races, to the point where they seeded the galaxy.
Very well thought out! Thank you for sharing!
I may be wrong, but I think the Remnant Fleet spent most of it's journey in the void between stars, which could also explain why the didn't encounter anyone.
That does also have implications for alternate types of ftl travel that would by pass normal sensors, imagine if the Dominion or Romulans found an old base star and found the ftl Drive.
Jump drives would change everything because there is no warning. Don't forget that the Cylons were able to jump greater distances than the Colonial ships.
This is fantastic.
As jarring as this was when I first read the title I now want to make it so. So say we all.
You missed the Voyager episode where the B'elana is fixing a robot(cylon) fighting identical robots that destroyed their organic masters.........sort of like centurions fighting for eternity(also one of them is played by the actor that played black male humanoid cylon)
Battlestar galactica is set in the past but star trek is set in the future, so since both include us in their timeline they can be connected that way. Most of sci-fi is just people riffing on Isaac Asimov's ideas, so the series share a lot of concepts in common. Really it isn't surprising that one can link the two series.
Yeah, also the showrunner of the reimagined BSG was one of the main TNG/DS9 writers.
It's important to keep in mind that this is a fan theory. It's up to the creators of their respective shows to determin whether are connected.
Reminds me of when Bethesda Game Studios released Fallout 4 in 2015. In it there was a plant that was also used in another game series by BGS, The Elder Scrolls. People started theorizing that, because this plant was in Fallout 4, that The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout series were connected. Fan theorists got pissed when Pete Hines, VP of Marketing at Bethesda SoftWorks, came out and shot down those theories. In one article Pete states the reason why this theory wouldn't work is because Fallout wasn't even made by Bethesda. Bethesda bought the Fallout IP from it's original creators, Interplay.
This would be pretty cool! Thanks Lore.
Very interesting theory and you sinc it very well. Adama, did say "over a million parsers away" that puts the 12 Colonies in a completely different galaxy, maybe Andromeda or Small Magalllic Cloud as those are the closest ones to us
Great hypothesis. Now, I will add the final proof. My theory is after Vouager 6 emerged on the other side of the galaxy, it encountered the Free Cylon homeworld. Spock did describe it as a planet of living machines with unbelievable technology. And, the Cylons had 150,000 years to evolve and may have decided not to repeat the cycle of becoming organic. It is very conceivable V'Ger was built by the descendents of those original Cylons.
I re-edited the Picard series for myself (crazy but fun and rewarding project). The most ambitious thing I changed was replacing the Admonition with my own. In it, I included the line “All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.”
I never considered that the beings called to destroy organic life in Picard could be Cylons. They very well could be the Centurions that they gave the basestar to. The ones that earned their freedom and were sent to find their own destiny. They would know how organic life had used the AI and decided to kill any organic life that went down that path again.
Whoah! Nice touch at the end there fella.
Superb work mate 🤘
I'm pretty sure people are going to disagree with me but I'm a man with low for fantasy and science-fiction this makes total sense LOL I love lore Reloaded I've been watching your stuff for a couple of years and seriously it does make sense even though the franchises have nothing to do with each other but when you put it in the way you just did it works and I also think you could work with the Mass Effect franchise just something to think about and someone posted about the centurions could have been the daddies and mommies of the Borg wicked
I honestly think this is ultimately just conjecture. AI plots often tell a relatively similar story. It's not really possible to prove that these aren't happening in the same universe, but given the technologies we see, and when they are developed in a relative sense, I think we can safely exclude the theory.
The prolific nature of warp is particularly striking to me
Makes sense, I'm told especially if you tie into all this ideas by author Graham Hancock who says Human history is more ancient than we think and Humans have just forgot our past plus segments of the Ancient Aliens visiting Earth theories.
I love Graham....He is definitely onto something -
"we are a species with amnesia"
I do like to play this game. Fiction is rich with common tropes so many universes could theoretically slot together. If you want to lean ultra hard into "everything that has happened will happen again" every single fiction that was ever created could theoretically pass through the same universe with a long enough timeline.
In the original battlestar galactica series, they did encounter multiple other species, including a reptilian species, which actually created the silones after kidnapping and studying human locomotion and physiology.
I'm telling the Inquisitor this is heresy.
Voyager VI was found by Cybertron and transformed into V'ger. It all makes sense now.
Wow, it is nice to know someone else thinks about Star Trek like I do. I have been in love with Trek since the 70's when I was a youngster. I even saw the Animated Series when it first aired.
No, I think the same thing and I did not know I was not the only one. I have added this to own Star Trek time-line. The Cylon toaster machines (possibly some Humanoids too) that went out on their own and for reasons I will not go into here became the seed for the Borg and some of the other android races seen up to and including V'Ger. Don't forget Ron Moore helped creat BSG and wrote for ST. He even developed the Klingon culture.
Fun fan theory. Thank you for this.
Hmm that would explain why I liked both so much.
I like the fan-fic where BSG shares a universe with "V". And then there are the Fan-fics where BSG shares the universe with Stargate. And yes there are also multiple BSG and Star Trek cross-over fan-fics. All great and well written stories!
The reason the Battlestar Galactica and the humanoid silence never encountered the Vulcans or the Klingons is because of their FTL they wasn't flying through the Galaxy they teleported from wherever they was to our solar system so they never got near Balkan or Klingon or Romulus or andoria what they never got near none of the other planets and by the time they got there their s*** they said could never jump again so even if they wanted to they couldn't leave the solar system and they didn't anyway they destroyed their ship and all their technology and become primitive I'd say after a couple hundred years most of them didn't even remember you know remember what where they came from or and I think that they wiped out the native I think they're descendants wiped out the native species I don't I think there might have been some interbreeding but not a lot the creatures that were here those were the Neanderthals and US modern humans are descended from the Battlestar Galactica and the five ones the synthetic silence see the cylons were basically humans they will just clones they were they were genetically engineered clones I mean yeah they they will support they had it you know they I think that's what helped them survive too because they had that enhanced where I wouldn't get sick and they could fight off a lot of diseases and stuff and all that but it was eventually there wasn't enough of them and there's too many humans and that was eventually deluded so much that it don't matter now
At first I was like, "what madness is this?" But as soon as I saw the image of the Cylons it clicked.... "oohhhh, the prophecy of the apocalypse via artificial life". I'll need to mull on that, but very intriguing!
Preservers are the Lords of Kobol.
while i don't believe they are in the same universe i have often wondered what would have happened Galactica crossed paths with Voyager
would they exchange pleasantries and be on their seperate ways?
would Adama try and seize control of Voyager?
would they work together to make it back to earth/the 13th colony?
would one or both captains view the other as some kind of deception by their respective enemies?
would Voyagers computer system be able to fend off the cylon hack?
Short answer YES, Now what would be interesting is the combination of technologies. Current BSG is fairly Newtonian in it weaponry. Flack cannons, rail gun ordinance of vipers. Strategic and Tactical Nukes. Voyager is better tech Shields, Energy based weapons (both main ship phasers down to a hand phaser) High yield Torpedoes (Photon and Quantum). While yes the Cylons can break into Computers, there are too many sophisticated security stops for this to happen. The one big thing that the colonials could give Voyager would be Jump Technology. That alone could shorten their journey by decades to possibly a few months to years. While Janeway would be reticent to giving the colonials everything. I could see her giving theme food replicators to alleviate the conditions they were living in. Along with escorting them back to Earth. Three Base ships pop in they see this small ship and ignore it. They watch as the raiders are just picked off by the dozen by Voyager's weaponry. Then they launch nukes at them which never get close. Then three torpedoes are fired at them. A moment later no more Base ships. That's the kind of Tech discrepancy we're talking about. Still that would be a fun encounter.
That can't happen, Galactica is set in the past, Voyager is set in the future.
@@Midnight.Shadows yes but you don't find out about that until the very end, what i'm saying is *what if* instead of the distant past Galactica was set in the future and encountered Star Fleet (specifically Voyage) in deep space
@@mre4u422 You know from the start it's set in the past? It's literally the premise of the show.
@@RobertWilke I enjoyed reading your scenario of underestimating Voyager, and Voyager promptly swatting the Cylons like flies
Cool theory it lines up really well. Definitely a good setting for fanfiction.
Human colonization from Africa started cca. 100 000 years ago. Survivors of the last Colonial - Cylon war arrived around this time (presumably). In Star - Trek timeline it is 100 000 years after fall of Iconia which is just one of several large empires/federations that existed before first modern human left Africa. Btw the Borg collective already existed (although at this time merely as insignificant oddity). Iconians were species number 29. So the Milky Way was already fully seeded and full of space faring intelligent civilizations.
well, they share the same writer, don't they? Ronald D. Moore
This deserved more research than just a 5 minute video. I know some people in the comment are taking the pish, I know you try for more content, more often. I know star trek is your thing. I know you're limited by funds, time and sources. But this is such a good concept.
I will still watch your stuff regardless of if you see this comment. But sometimes I just wish you took more time to look at your stuff and draw real parallels. I'm not saying you don't put effort into your work, which I enjoy really. I just wish you took more time to explore the concept that really are worth the time. You know the ones I'm talking about. Star trek has so many writers, I believe anything you could contribute, like what you have contributed before, would really be better than more than half of any of the previous star trek writers.
Sorry, just to add. Your live streams is great when I catch it. Just, I feel when you get a good idea from one and you just belt out a video asap. When you really have more time than you think.
I'm just a loser tho. You're the director here.
Actually BSG lines up with the Terminator Series.... 😉😉
Yes I was thinking the same thing Skynet is the cycle repeating it self
I would love to see this further expounded on.
My fan theory is that Saved By The Bell is a precursor to Star Trek. Screech's robot is the precursor to both Harry Mudd's android women and Data and Lore. Zack Morris is a distant ancestor of James T. Kirk, who inherited Zack's ability to charm females (although not Zack's ability to freeze time by saying, "Time out.") 😆
ha ! So wait.....is Zack a Q?
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I hadn't thought of that angle! 😆
I've always thought this was a cool idea. I like it.
What if the 12 Lords of Kobol were actually Q?
Ok, for a time line including both; In Trek lore we have the Iconians who existed 250k years ago and collapsed due to being all but destroyed by the Arroway, now, if i'm reading this right the 12 Colonies and Kobol are in the Beta quadrant roughly 55,000 light years from here it's said that Kobol was inhabited around 160-200,000 years ago and 50k years later the thirteen tribes emigrated leaving some Kobolians left there these later evolved becoming the entities who crewed the Light ships seen in "War of the Gods" one of which the entity "john" appeared to both Starbuck and Apollo in "Experiment in Terra" and later on as Leoban who appeared to contemporary Starbuck just before she died in the malestrom. Yes, you can bring in the first "preservers" from STNG as the mantle of "preserver" had been passed from race to race over millions of years, the Ancient Kobolians were being preservers when they helped guide the fleet to this Earth 150k years ago, now in the series they abandoned their technology and started again but 3-4k years later their decendants would have headed back out into space, however that doesnt explain why theres no trace of them, a mini ice age would account for that, considering that recorded human history dates back 25k years and it's taken us that long- the 800 year long dark ages can also be taken into account- to start back out into space. Also please consider the Space 1999 episode "Testiment of Arcadia" where the survivors of Arcadia colonised Earth roughly 22k years ago....just saying. As for Star Trek, we're dreaming of a future where human kind is back out in the stars and well, look at Discovery; the battle at the end of S2, Discovery and Enterprise were being the Battlestars of their day. And the strange thing is; just how can we imagine a story in such detail if it was only that...just a story and not a memory.
Nice theory. Except both Ronald D. Moore and Edward James Olmos have made it crystal clear that aliens do not exist in the BSG verse. IIRC, Moore even wrote a paper about it.
Caprica to guest star in Picard as a Q. Confirmed. Lol
Still like ST TOS Lurch grabbing Kirk booming out "THAT was the equation!".
If you run through all the earthlike worlds in the milkyway galaxy across all of Star Trek, you end up with the galaxy averaging something like 350,000 non-life bearing stars for every 1 with life in the system. That's just a mind-bogglingly huge amount of space to explore.
We know precious little about Trek during the era 150,000 years ago, but the vulkans do mention, in Enterprise, that there's recently been something of an explosion of warp capable species out and about, around the same time Earth first hits their radar.
It makes sense that there would have been far fewer species that had already made their way out to the stars back during BSG. Which makes it far easier to accept why they wouldn't have run into any of dem dang lil' green aliums.
I actually thought BSG was more compatible with Babylon 5 but I do like where this theory is going.
I like the theory that the Terminator and Aliens franchises share a universe.
Far more likely that the writers of Picard said "Hey! Who know Battlestar Galactica? Has anyone thought to do a TV show about that?" "Well gee, I don't think so." "Then how about we do it!"
Is this basically another way of expressing the idea of the theory of panspermia?
I prefer to believe that BSG and firefly are not only the same universe but happen around the same time, with the Earth that was being the first Earth that the fleet found. The story of the Earth that was that is told in firefly sounds similar to the memories of the final five.
And the remaining cylons became the borg.
What’s funny is I had a big dream that Stargate Battlestar Galactic as well as Doctor WHO existed in the same universe!!
I really like this one!
I think there are some rights issues that would keep them from being in the same universe. Lore-wise it could work. I always thought the ending of BSG was a bit goofy, but if it did loop into the Star Trek universe that would make it better.
That Would As Well Make Star Gate Universe & Orwell Too Being As Well Locked With These Others As Well !!!
the preservers look suspiciously like the founders
The best argument to support this claim would be in The Original Series episodes Miri and The Paradise Syndrome.
The episode Miri proposed that there are duplicate Earths. A theme that was only explored in the Shatnerverse novels Spectre, Dark Victory, and Preserver.
The Paradise Syndrome implied that the Preservers would save some cultures from extinction.
From this, I submit 2 possibilities:
1. The humans from Battlestar Reimagined are from a duplicate Earth, elsewhere in the galaxy.
2. They are descendants from a group of humans that were saved from extinction.
The #1 bit of proof: A constitution class ship was in the refugee fleet. Clearly it was the enterprise having travelled back in time 150,000 years ago for some purpose we may never know.
I aways had this fantasy of Starbuck making that last, final giant jump that would break Galactica's back and bring them to second Earth into Federation space with a Galaxy Class Federation Starship causiously making First Contact under Yellow Alert!
And come on, Kara Thrace (Starbuck) and Tasha Yar can be Sisters! Cousins at least! 😊😉
There is no doubt that those two tasha yar & Kara Thrace could both be family there's no doubt absolutely too gorgeous woman.. relatively the same body type and same hair color. Since they're blondes most likely blue eyes I completely agree and that would be awesome for her to jump the Galactica right there in front of the Enterprise D in season 1 of Star Trek the next generation
Write the screenplay where Data described this event to Picard as he scans the ships.
@Dimitrius Didimitrius
You don't know the plot of BSG? The Rag Tag Fleet found Earth but it didn't look like ours. There was no Americas, Africa, Asia, etc. Just a Class M planet that achieved at least early 21st century technology. This was the Earth of the 13th lost Tribe of the Colonies. Surfice it to say it didn't work out. The Cylon "gods" then led Kara Trace through visions to our Earth 112,000 years ago to start over-including mating with the primitive humans that were already here via parallel evolution. The mems we thought of as our own original thoughts like say a musical number like Jimmy Hendrick's "Watchtower" are just those mems passed down through to us with the merging of the humanoid Cylons, Colonial Humans, and Earth humans into one.
We all have a little Cylon in us. 😊
I find the battlestar “reboot” a prequel to the original battlestar, reboot way back in the past original the 1980’s survivors shown on the colonies in the reboot to slowly rebuild and eventually have the cylons forgotten before they return to start the 1000 yarn war and the reboots saying “what happened before will happen again”
I don't think it means they share a universe it means they CAN share a universe. Due to lack of lore that blocks overlapping histories.
You forgot to bring up the fact that the Colonials/Cylons did in fact bump into alien tech in S3E7 “A Measure of Salvation”, a probe of unknown origins which contained a biological contagion
I always just assumed it was sent by the Cylons, will have to go load up that episode and check it out
Intriguing, most... intriguing...
Sees video
"Wut?"
Watches video
"ah."
I really like this.
Interesting theory. Some thing so lone up but with all the exploring that has been done you would think they have found the 12 colonies. Now another thought is maybe the borg have a link to the cyclons. Just a thought.
Nice theory. I LOVE the 'eternal return' aspect of the BSG series. But to coincide it with Star Trek needs more than this.
But if anyone really could pull this off, it would be badass.
The preservers seed the universe billions of years ago. Humans in the bsg universe formed the 13 colonies 5,000 years before the events in the series took place. That's 5,000 years of space travel. They would have encountered humanoid aliens several times by then. Considering the amount of life in Star Trek, it would be unavoidable.
I would have like to have seen a crossover episode involving Star Trek or Stargate. To give the people in the fleet hope or even have actually met in person, or finding things telling them that hey we are here or at least were. Or maybe finding one of our space probes like Voyager 1 or 2. Not really possible with Galactica being set to have taken place thousands of years earlier.. But who's to say humans on earth didn't develop and evolve on a similar time-line as did the colonies. Just thought it would've been an interesting twist.
I'm open to the hypothesis.