Rome (HBO) - Cleopatra's Meeting with Mark Antony
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- After the death of Ceasar, Cleaopatra comes Rome and demands from Antony that his son from Ceasar to be recognized lawful son, with a public declaration.
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This Cleopatra is better than Netflix’s Cleopatra
She is so more accurate when compared to the statue and coins of Cleopatra.
@@JV-yx2rc Taylor is not accurate
Netflix's Cleopatra is not Cleopatra.
Because this is historical fact, Netflix is blackwashing European history
this version seem real cleopatra.
I'm impressed they actually got Cleopatra's general appearance right. She WAS NOT Egyptian. She was Greek, and this actress looks fairly Greek. Her entire dynasty was descended from a Macedonian general that fought for Alexander the Great. They were usurpers that cosplayed the Pharaohs of old but had little in common with them, least of all DNA
But we wuz
@@John-Adams ?
Common Europe W
Didn't know that. Thank you.
@@John-Adams kangz nd shieeet
"Myself...I cannot abide ships and boats."
Well, that's morbidly prescient.
That's a great way to put it.
Ships are ok… but boats?
@@1800aubrey What, you got a problem with submarines bro?
@@jakeg3733 I am an irredeemable boatist
@@1800aubrey I suppose there's merit in that. Personally, I prefer spaceships but Antony didn't know about those
This Cleopatra profile looks very much like the real profile of cleopatra on the old coins !! It is incredible !! And as an actress she is simply perfect in this role 👏👏👏
As Karen Walker once put it: "Oh would you two just climb on top of each other and get it over with already!"
😄😄 the sexual tension was undeniable, get a room ppl!
I've had a relationship with someone similar to this, and when we finally did that.... it solved absolutely nothing. Then our coworkers had to listen to even more arguing and shit-talking
@@jakeg3733 same here. It solves absolutely zero. 😂
@@jakeg3733en are the gatekeepers of relationships. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. So u should try to keep things civil and be the man and lead the relationship. Also arguing in front of other people isn't good either. Keep it personal
Although both Cleopatra and Marc Antony were utterly ruthless people in real life, I'm still fascinated by them both. I love this scene, very well performed by the actors.
Their romance is over exaggerated in modern dramas too. Probably very similar to modern toxic relationships
@@doords I seriously doubt people have changed at all. I mean, if you were to go back in time and observe Caesar/Cleopatra interacting you'd probably be rolling your eyes and begging for a bullet in short order. It was either a political romance, or it'd be like watching one of those awkward and codependent high school "first love" type relationships
@@jakeg3733 I agree
Everyone was ruthless in those days well the ones who wanted to be in power. Actually it's still like that it's just alot more hidden these days unlike back then
precisely because they were ruthless you should admire them more. but you are that kind that doesnt even deserve to hear their names
3:26 Cleopatra ain't no punk. She slapped the fire out of him for touching her face.
In her country she's a God. She put the Roman in his place.
@@aloneinthedark99rome never forgets an insults
@@MarsRacingNetworkwell, he certainly did, because didn't he become her lover later on😂
'It' is not permitted to touch 😂
The pharaoh and their families was believed to be divine so was not permitted to be touched
She's not referring to him as "It"
nice manners
They took this shit very seriously. The whole "descended from God/Gods" thing. Us modern people would laugh hysterically if someone said that, but people back then really bought it
@@htf5555 from a whore
Better eepresentation of Cleopatra than Jada's "docudrama." God, I miss this show. Watched it from the 1st series to the last after the death of Caesar & the forming of the Triumvirate.
Jada's needs to keep her attempts at directing out of Cleopatra's mouth!
Imagine Netflix had made this show 😂
Now that is more what Cleopatra might have looked like.
Except description says she had blue eyes
@@samcaranol4102except there isn’t a shred of evidence which supports any particular eye colour. Your claim that description says she had blue eyes is purely based on the portrayals of her in Hollywood
Can't believe it is a performance, perfect! They can barely handle themselves 😂💓
Seems rather worrying that the woman playing Cleopatra in this fictional show is probably a more accurate representation of her than that Netflix show which is meant to be a factual documentary. It should be the other way round shouldn't it 😂
Are you as concerned by how this representation of how they first met is complete bullshit? It’s not even close and does a real disservice to the real Cleopatra and the savvy political operator she was.
this was made back in a time when political correctness didn't decide casting choices. Nowadays the criteria are almost reversed. What determines whether an actor is suited for a role is whether they belong to one of the politically favored groups.
Lot of crying about all this, lol.
Netflix and factual ? 😂😂😂
3:06
You can see the tag on Cleopatra's dress.
'Twas an Egyptian tag!' 😂
The best Cleopatra EVER!
Perfect.
Gets very angry when he cant retailiate because He’s there and surrounded by her forces. Bad feeling indeed. Angers…
@01:25
lol. Her eyes are up a bit further, Marco.. 😂
One of the most terrible falsehoods perpetuated in almost every version of the story. Antony was not in Alexandria with Caesar. He was back in Rome. However, the two did once meet, when she was about 13 or 14 and Antony led the cavalry that took back Alexandria for her father, Ptolemy XII. Cleopatra was in Rome when Caesar was assassinated, and didn't leave for almost a month, so it is possible she dealt with Antony there as well. But she would never have asked for Caesarian to be recognized, she would have known better than that. The next time they would see each other was in Tarsus when the two began their relationship. Also, Antony was, and I use the exact words of Augustus "f***ing Glaphyra" who was also a foreign princess from modern Central Turkey.
the part on augustus was probably just propaganda, seeing as glaphyra was only 5 years old when marcus antonius committed suicide
@@Hannibalian Wrong Glaphyra . You are talking about her granddaughter.
Actually Cleopatra remained in Rome specifically to get Caesarion recognized as Julius Caesar's legitimate heir. It was of the reasons she was unpopular in Rome. It also made an enemy of Caesar's real heir.
@@danielscallon7515 No such evidence exists. It would be foolish to look for it. A Greek queen and a Roman consul were already scandalous without bringing Caesarion into it. The Roman Senate would have never recognized him, and she is smart enough to know that. Caesar will assassinated in March, so there is just as much substance to the idea that sailing home to Egypt before late Spring would be hazardous. Since it was her second visit, I'm sure her itinerary to return to Egypt was already set.
@@danielscallon7515 No she didn’t, she left Rome as soon as possible after Caesers death and she certainly didn’t push for Caesarions recognition whislt there. She wasn’t an idiot, she knew her and her sons lives were in mortal danger without Caesers protection and pressing any claim of Caeserions would of only exacerbated that.
great casting.
I will try that next dinner.
3:27 She just straight up Young dro- FDB mark Antony.
crazy ass scene
You are so handsome, Bay A .. 😊😁
3:53 she has a point "customer pays first 😂"
Much better actor then the previous one that’s for sure
Which one?
Its the same actor bro
?????
4:02 real
No touching the merchandise.
Very good actors and I like the serie but is not historically accurate. Here Antony says they met in Alexandria meaning during the Alexandria war but what we know after the battle of Pharsalus he went back to Rome to protect Ceasar interes in Italy. Their first meeting its during Cleopatra visit in Rome 46-45 BC. Also after Ceasar death she never came back to Rome. Although Octavian in 43 BC the Triumvirate agree to recognize Ceasarion like a pharaoh
Dude, they have to adapt things by moving timelines and events a bit.
Literally every film does this for narrative purposes.
And Cleopatra here wants Caesarion recognized as Caesar's son, not pharaoh, very different things
Antony was literally running Rome into the ground while Caesar was trying to sort out the Egyptian civil war.
Tricky situation for Octavian. Not a kosher thing for him to do, but this was essentially his adoptive brother. He respected the hell out of Caesar and wanted to do right by him too, even after death
Meh at least they didn't make Cleopatra black like Netflix did.
@@SirDankleberry Real history don't matter. Cleopatra VII is descendant from Ptolemy I, and in keeping with local tradition insist on marrying within the family line to keep the blood 'pure'. The odd of getting sub-Saharan gene into that arrangement is low.
Weird watching this knowing they fell in love later and they cried for each other's death.
It’s because this scene is nothing like how they first met, not even close and it’s actually a shocking disservice to the real Cleopatra. But the later scenes are somewhat closer to accounts of their relationship so there’s an awkward juxtaposition.
What season and episode?
Season 2, episode 2
@@obi3kenobi Thank you 😍❤
Nice manners 😂😂😂
Okay, I couldn't make out what Antony whispered. What did he say?
All I heard was promise me then that's it
Something about a kiss being promised I think.
“promise me one long soft kiss forever”. IIRC
Octavian dealt him well
Don't anything about love. Do you Tony.
3:27
هل لديكم رابط الفلم كامل
It's a tv series called Rome.
Wonder what he whispered?
‘Promise me one hot deep soft kiss forever’
Lemme tonk you tonight
@@kateausten904 how come u hear 😅 . He must have said something vulgar I am sure
Yo Cleo shake that thang
@@tanmaydhawan3674 You'd think so, but I heard "deep soft kiss" too. The rest was too muffled for me to make out.
Cleopatra got game in bed tho still
What did he whisper to her?
Seggs
I don't suppose any lip readers can tell us what he said to her?
The word "fuck" was definitely one of the things he said, and probably the only _important_ thing he said
He asked for a deep, soft kiss.
Seggs
Wanted to be pegged
"Promise me...deep, soft.... something" lmao 😂 🔥
Cleopatra was macedonian greek
Yes. And she was the product of many generations of systematic brother-sister incest.
You could cut the sexual tension with a gladius
I am Egyptian, A COPTIC CHRISTIAN EGYPTIAN.
I shout that out loud because we are the most pure blooded Egyptians out there and that's not only my opinion that's what Egyptologists, Historians and Scientists also agreed on,
and I tell you that every word that Bassem Youssef said is right and I totally agree with him.
Yes Egypt had lots of mixed cultures throughout its history like for example: Greeks, Romans and Arabs, but the Egyptian blood didn't mix and change that much and that's because for centuries we Egyptians had a golden tradition rule to marry our cousins, and that tradition is still present until now especially in Upper Egypt(from Assiut to Aswan), Although that tradition seems silly and bad from a scientific biological point of view, but that doesn't matter, silly or not we kept that tradition of marrying our cousins for centuries and that helped us to preserve our pure Egyptian blood not mixed as long as we could, and the result is what you see now and that is Modern Egyptians looks typical to their Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, just look at my skin color and Bassem Youssef's skin color we are almost the same although he is a Muslim who was born and lived in Cairo and I am a Coptic Christian who was born and lived in Luxor and there is almost a 1000 km distance between us, doesn't that tell you a thing or two about who Ancient Egyptians were and what they looked like?
With all due respect for all the Black people and all the other ethnicities out there, but we Egyptians are special very special, WE ARE NOT Black or White or Yellow, Not Europeans or Africans or Asians, Not Assyrians or Persians or Israelites or Nubians or Greeks or Romans or Arabs or French or Italians or Germans or British or Turkish or Ukrainians, Not Middle Easterners or Caucasians or Mediterraneans or Levants or Amazigh or Berbers or even North Africans.
WE ARE
EGYPTIANS,
WE ARE
VERY UNIQUE!
Dude... Marrying your cousins? Why? Theres millions of beautiful Women in Egypt?
@@Nomozacc Becuase’s he’s a fucking mad ultra nationalist. He probably asks for a full geneology report before even kissing a woman.
I have no way of telling if any of this is true. But i believe all people are created equal. Your ancestry can be as pure and rare as you like or as common as dirt - it does not make you better or worse. Only what you yourself do with your life determines what you are worth. Ancestry is a historical detail, a curiosity if you like, but it holds no meaning.
Hateful man mark Anthony
agreed
@Anonymous doesn't make me laugh cuz he treats women like crap😡
@@carolinelynch2823 nice manners……for a whore
@@carolinelynch2823 And women often treat themselves like crap to get what they want. See, for example, casting couches.
@Anonymous mostly cause the same hateful character lives on regardless of time period...
0:16 on her chest she wears a cross? Was she christianM
It’s not a cross
It's an ankh.
Such a disppointing representation when considering how Cleopatra and Marc Anthony actually met. She summoned him onto her ridiculously ornately decorated royal barge after sailing up the river Cydnus, dressed as the Greek god Aphrodite. Whatever the hell this scene is, is a disservice to the real Cleopatra.
This is due to the lack of time and budget when HBO decided to stop the series
the series is historical fiction, but it's very good regardless
Why Rome and Egypt spoken English 555
Because training the actors to speak archaic dialects of Latin and Coptic would take a lot of time, yield questionable results, and turn 99% of casual viewers away. So they decided to focus on the story instead. IF you want to see a show that features Romans actually speaking Latin, there is a german series about the Varus disaster towards the end of Octavian's reign. They picked Italian actors that look extremely Roman and taught them the real language, it's pretty cool because I do get where you're coming from
At the time this conversation was most likely in Koine Greek. It was the common language from Eastern Mediterranean to India, and the educated Romans spoke it as a native.
@@user-wu5ku6et5n Exactly. IIRC After the Romans subjucated Greece, learned greek men were highly sought after as slaves and teachers for noble roman households. Greek eventually became the de-facto language of the nobility while latin remained as the language of the plebs (and only in the western part of the empire).
@@jakeg3733 good points but very little ancient Egyptian would grace been spoken by Cleopatra, the only Ptolemaic ruler who even bothered to learn it, and she as a Macedonian monarch would have spoken Koine Greek for the most part even with upper class Romans, virtually all of whom were at least bilingual after learning Greek in childhood tutoring. It is assumed that Cleopatra also knew Latin for legal reasons, but it is not one of the languages mentioned by Plutarch.
@@Ianassa91 Latin was still the language of Roman law and governance in the Senate, and Latin literature was by now respected and used for casual correspondence, but since Cleopatra was a Ptolemaic queen she would have naturally spoke Koine Greek with Roman colleagues and lovers given her Macedonian ethnicity and origins.
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Even Egyptian people are disgusted by the netflix thing. But yeah, whatever bro
@@bbtodd If you are still thinking about that nothing of a show this far out, it's probably because you're a racist.
She made an awful Cleo. Indian actress.
wtf are you yapping about, she's English dumbass
I thought she was black tho
You poor thing
Cleopatra was part of the Greek Ptolemic family which had ruled Egypt for about 300 years at that point. She was not ethnically Egyptian like most of the previous pharaohs were.
Sorry but this is most unsuccessful role in this movie, also worst Cleopatra ever. Terrible. Disappointment. So far Leonor Varela is the best actor ever who played this role! She was Cleopatttra herself!
I found this Cleopatra to be terrific. She's a Chameleon from the start, whip smart, and while she fumbles things she's also always playing the game like a card sharp. She says the quiet parts out loud in a way that's clearly exciting and she never once pretends to be ordinary. Really captivating in a way that lets the viewer see how she could capture the full attention of so many people.