HMS Bristol (Type 82) - Lone Survivor
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Today with the help of CPO Rob Griffin, we take a quick look at the history of a unique destroyer of a more modern vintage.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Love to see more of these as you get an opportunity. Loved it!
Sorry a bit of an odd duck of a question perhaps, but would you be able to ask CPO Griffin if his book would be available as an e-book (would rather like for a kindle version (or other e-book formats) given that I'm currently unable to be collecting large amounts of physical books as I once was)
Secondly, any "one-off" type classes you'd like to go into detail for a future video?
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That was one of the most profound things I've ever heard you say. The thing you said about receiving a book from someone and because you got to hear stories about what happened by the people that were there actually made the history come alive a lot more than just the facts of what happened. And that is because when something is happening there are numerous people there & so you get multiple points of view because of the different perspectives. One person may see a lot of things that someone else did not. And so it's NOT just something that happened, it's something a lot of people experienced.
I remember this one from the heyday of the Cold War, the one really powerful surface ship in the RN.
That Navy in the Cold War really baffles me. Even after the Empire was gone, they just kept on building as many warships as they could.... instead of the best ones they knew how.
This quantity over quality approach make them seem like the Red Army of the seas!
What the hell is happening..... a modern ship..... Dogs and Cats living together... Mass Hysteria...
I had the same thought reading the title before watching.
I thought Cold War or Missile stuff was off limits
I had the same though as well. Thought Drach might have hit his head on something.
Seems Drach is running out of pre 1950s ships.😅
No, we can't be that far in can we?
The gates just opened for Cold War era ships then 😮, but for real I would never complain about the type of ships that drach reviews since his quality in videos are unmatched 👍
@@TrickiVicBB71 the exception is if he can get someone who is a subject matter expert on the ship/system being discussed.
Drach doing a video on a (relatively) new warship? Amazing!
Ikr never though he would post a ship out of the 1940s haha. Would be cool to see other cold war ships though, such as HMS Hermes, Ark Royal, Type 42 destroyers etc.
He said he'd do more modern ones if he had a guest, so he could blame any breach of classified info on them. Presumably he'll also go beyond 1950 if he's at the physical ship since he has mentioned visiting Nautilus if possible.
@@kanrakucheese I wonder what he would cover if he did a colab with the Mighty Jingles?
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 Both Drach and Jingles have appeared together for quite a few episodes of "Armchair Admirals" in the World of Warships channel talking about various WW 2-related events (Arctic convoys, Taranto, etc.) -- there's even one episode where they both appeared alongside Indy and Spartacus on the Pearl Harbor episode! 😀
It’s wonderful how Drach sets aside his channel’s scope rule to ensure that important primary-source history is documented. Thanks for only bending the rules for this suitably important reason
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
Good old Bristol !
One thing I didn't hear mentioned was her unique data link. During the 60s and 70s as navies introduced automatic data links sharing tactical data, the UK/BE/NL went with Link 10, the US NTDS and French SENIT used link 11. Bristol was the one ship that had both, and could automatically pass info back and forth. Eventually, everybody went to Link 11.
The Royal Navy is nothing like it used to be.
Be interesting to see just how far they go with the Type 83 design, just how much of a punch it's actually going to pack. A shed load of missile silos I think we can take for granted, as well as very significant electrical power generation capability, with an eye on energy weapons.
1:55
adverts can go to davy jones locker for all i care
My time September 1981 - May 1983 My first ship
The Royal Navy issues two beers per man per day. Royal Naval vessels, equipment, and personnel are of the highest quality!!
Did he sail with Noah since he stated his service record is long
Do you come to Tewkesbury festival ? If so come say hello to the cannon crews Yorkist side (usually right hand side as viewed from the stands )
I understand the politics and finances which led to the decline of the RN, but it always makes me sad to compare its capacity now (or really since the 60's) vs. WWII and before. A couple of USN carrier groups outweigh the entire RN now, I don't think that it had to be that way.
Very sad indeed, and it all boils down to money. The U.K. simply doesn't have the tax base to support a large navy. Brexit didn't help matters either. It's a shame that former British territories which gained their independence couldn't have become 'free states' that would have remained part of the U.K. as free peoples, with all of the legal rights and responsibilities of any British citizen. Full representation in parliament, the whole nine yards. Kind of like a spread out version of the U.S. Can you imagine how the cold war would have unfolded with the U.S. having been allied with such a widespread and powerful free nation? It boggles the mind.
"These limeys are winding us up" - the swimming pool story.
If I had a dollar for every defense program that the UK has canceled due to "budgetary issues." I do believe I'd be living quite comfortably and have been able to buy a house paid for in cash by now lol. All in all nice to see something a little more modern covered cheers for that Drac! 🍻
1:55 is roughly the start
Yes I could easily look it up but….when was she built? Where? When did she serve (sans Falklands)? Or is this a strictly in the know video ?
I bet they never asked a German crew to use the pool 😉
What is this, Mr Drach, a modern warship on your channel ?? A Daring (of the late 40s) is correct for your channel, but this ship of the 1960s ?
I might have missed it….
But I thought Hermes was scrapped?
It was. They were speaking on the past effort to save her her in the 2020-21 period
When and why did the Royal navy start naming classes "Type XX"
Early 50’s, the numbers in the series specify roles- 1-39 are anti sub, 40-59 anti air, 60-79 aircraft direction and 80- general purpose
I stayed on her as a sea cadet, she was in a okay state. But the head smelt really bad, and Air Con never worked
It's a shame they can't just have people sign a waiver to see it instead of forcing modern health and safety rules of what is essentially a historical artifact.
Had the pleasure of staying on HMS Bristol a few weeks after the announcement of her decommissioning, I distinctly remember a repel boarding drill happening while we were in the smoking area, up by her aft smoke stacks. The bollocking we got by a civvie contractor for being above decks while blank firing was going on was immense.
We spoke to her commander on the day we left, we said something along the lines of "she's too good of a training opportunity to let go to scrap", but there's only so much a handful of 18 year-olds and Ex-RAF Reg' tutors could do. Regarding the campaign to save her, there were talks of a metal fabricators being offered to refabricate dummy masts and bow 4.5, but like the campaign, it fell through.
On the plus, we got HMS Bronington back from the brink of becoming scrap in Birkenhead Docks, so i suppose it's swings and roundabouts.
Very good interview, I appreciate his straightforward explanation of how difficult it is to 'save' a ship.
Yes. That was excellent. It seems like a lot of people have big ideas about saving storied ships, but it turns out saving a ship is the easy part.
While all true, ultimately most of it does come down to government bureaucracy and regulations.
@@BleedingUranium Regarding accessibility, HMY Britannia's solution was to build a tower outside of the ship, so when you want to go down a deck you go outside, down the stairs in this tower, and back in on the next deck, this avoiding using any of the stairs or ladders on the ship.
By comparison, HMS Belfast is much more "as it was".
We all know by know the fate of HMS Plymouth. There was a storied, historic frigate, with a notable war record, and the money ran out and she was scrapped.
We shall see how the group attempting to save Ambuscade/Tariq get on.
The anecdote about the unannounced missile launch was great. You definitely get the mental image of the expressions these two guys had :D.
Absolutely love this, very excited to watch it.
Thank you for the upload Drach.
Ah, sadly I hated it. A terrible interviewee who couldn’t even remember to mention Bristol’s key design weapon system of Sea Dart nor explain the gleamingly obvious lack of a helicopter hangar, and had to be regularly prompted by yourself. Crew anecdotes are interesting as a sideshow, but the Drach channel is founded upon historical factuals. Would’ve been so much better if you’d done the research and presentation yourself.
How did they get away with having a swimming pool??
It wound up the Yanks, and afterall that's the main purpose of the RN ;-)
12:00 Scorching by a missile shot was part of the experience. Any time the Long Beach fired a Talosit would take the pant and nonskid down to bare metal. We fired a number of birds during my 3-1/2 years in her, and these shots were not popular with deck force, since there was much repainting to be done. Plus, this generally was done at sea while underway. (rust, you know)
Bristol was used a lot for accommodation for the University Royal Naval Units when we would get together for the sports weekends and any other time they wanted all in my day 12 ( nowadays 17 if you include the virtual one) units together ( URNU is the UK Naval equivalent of the ROTC the Army and Airforce have their own establishments) It was very fun I was in Liverpool URNU in the late 2000s just before her 2010 refit and there were many places where you could sneak away for some horizontal gymnastics with someone you met from one of the other units.
What? push ups?
Clearly push ups
@@AIRRAID2 deep full penetrating push-ups
Drach I love your channel. I am a very long time fan going back to when you used the computer voice. But I gotta ask will you ever do edited videos where you show naval battles minute by minute again? (Like the battle of the Denmark straight, Guadal Canal etc) I really loved those videos but I’ve noticed for a long time it’s just been interviews, Drydock and ship guides. Thank you for all you do. I’m just asking!
Never thought I'd live to see the day Drach does on a video on a ship I've had many happy memories on. When news broached that she was to be decommissioned and disposed of, I hoped that enough people would come together to save her from the breakers.
Great episode:) I enjoyed when you featured Captain Larry Seaquest about commanding the cold war era USS Iowa, and this adds to a recent ship discussion for the channel. I loved it ! I always wanted to play HMS Bristol in the 90s Naval warfare Sim Harpoon by 360inc, & wished it was available in the GIUK gap or Med campaigns. I also just ordered a copy of the book to add to my Libaray. Kazaa!
Sooo I guess reviewing late Cold War-era ships aren't out of the picture now. _Nice_
Hi drach, would it be ok for me to name one of my battlefleet gothic imperial warships after you?
I have a Retribution class or an apocalypse class that I'm currently working on.
or is there another class you would prefer for the St Drachinfel?
Lord Drachinfel!
@@Julius_Hardware St Drachinfel, the Patron Saint of Naval Gunnery. 😉
Cool to see a more modern ship and Falklands vet on here. Hope she is saved one way or another, too many ships from this era are now lost. The Type 21 Frigate and Flaklands vet, the former HMS Ambuscade, is set to return to the UK soon as part of a new naval heritage centre on the Clyde in Scotland, which will be really good to see.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
I had the pleasure of serving on the Bristol from 79 to 81, best ship I ever served on with an unusually close crew, especially the stokers and greenies.
I remember the swimming pool very well, the yanks couldn't believe it. We were exercising with a us carrier group on if memory serves operation springtrain, I believe the carrier was the uss mount Whitney, when we left the fleet to head to Wilmington we had to do a sail past, the flight deck was dressed up as a beach with palm trees made out of beer cans, lads dressed as ladies on sun beds and a fully occupied swimming pool, a BBQ in full swing. It certainly opened the eyes of the yanks, conformation that they joined the wrong navy😁
In my opinion, the most beautiful RN warship since HMS Hood.
2:50 This picture always makes me think the turret crew have just heard something about the rum ration and are asking the bridge crew to 'clarify the situation'.
Excellent idea!
Navy: Let's build 4 carriers and a fleet of supporting escorts.
Government: Ok, but let's reduce that to just one escort.
Literally bought the book before the video had finished 👍. I love "what-if" scenarios so I've always been fascinated by HMS Bristol. You mentioned irony in the video, well here's one for you: the CVA-01s and all-but-one of the Type 82s were cancelled (in part) because they were 'too big' at 64,000 tons and 7,100 tons respectively, yet here we are, nearly 60 years later, with 64,000 ton aircraft carriers being escorted by 7,200 ton Type 45s...🙄
Another reason why Bristol was regarded as a white elephant was her powerplant. The Type 82s were designed in the early 1960s, immediately after the Counties had been finished, and COSAG was regarded as the 'safe option' (gas turbines being newfangled sci-fi to navies at the time). However GTs proved spectacularly successful, so the RN decided in the late 1960s that they wanted an all-GT fleet. GT's need far fewer engine room crew with radically different skills, so unless they wanted to maintain two different training systems, steam had to go. The 'brand new' (but already dated) Type 82 COSAG plant therefore came to be seen as an unwelcome anachronism, and the accidents with the steam plant (there was another in the 1980s) only reinforced that view.
You can wonder endlessly about the what-ifs, had they decided to revise the design (4 x Olympus?) instead of scrapping it...
Bristol also seems like she had a *lot* of room for more armament than what she carried. I have no idea how expensive that would've been, but it seems like a major refit that stripped out the steam engines, moved the Sea Dart launcher slightly so that the empty aft space could be used for full helicopter facilities, and replaced the Ikara launcher with a second Sea Dart launcher, that would've made for a really good destroyer.
@@RedXlV The trouble with a double-ended Sea Dart arrangement is that you don't really get much benefit out of it unless you add more Type 909 fire control radars, and those things are BIG and awkward. You can't just put them on masts: the radar and the 'office' underneath it and one unit, so it has to be mounted on superstructure. They did design a double-ended 'Type 43' in the late 1970s, but it still ended up at 7000ish tons.
Another fine example of British and American cooperation. You have the pool, we'll bring the BBQ.
Love the Bristol. It has been the site of many a cadet trip down to Portsmouth
Wow, never expected a ship on here that I actually have a (very minor) connection too!
I was one of the Sea Cadets who got to experiance a week of life aboard ship in her permanent mooring in Portsmouth harbour. I never realised the extent of her service history or that she was unique!
Whale Island where she is referred to as being berthed is also known as the historic HMS Excellent.
How can the UK not figure this out? Your government will not help and/or help this ship to be preserved? America has dozens of Museum ships, but it seems like everything in UK is designed for the government make money and for the citizenry a massive pain in the a$$.
I first saw Mr. Griffin on Operation Think Tank. That lecture and Q+A sent me into a learning frenzy that continues to this day
Loved him on that panel. When I heard his voice I was like "WAIT A MINUTE!" HEH
Was this before or post Falklands?
@Drachinifel Have you done a video on "What if" Halsey had done his job and, at a minimum, left the 4 Iowa BBs to cover the San Bernardino Straight?
I served on HMS Bristol during my BRNC officer training in 1989 when we actually sailed into Leningrad as part of the perestroika and glasnost era that Gorbachev initiated. I had a fantastic experience serving on the ship and have many fond memories. Thanks for sharing this video.
I always love the way we sailors talk about ship we served on. Each ship you have served on takes a part of you and every other sailor that's served on her.
As a young man, its a part of your life, its your home away from home, its booring day after day, its hard work and beeing seasick, it sucks most of the time, but after all when you are thru with it, you have done something, you are a part of something, and as an older man it makes you proud having been part of something larger than yourself.....
Real treat! She is such a beautiful ship. I never did understand (apart from usual Whitehall / Westminster rubbish) why they didn't replace the eight County class with four or six of these beauties. They were far more capable than the penny pinching and awful seaboats that were the batch 1 and 2 Type 42's.
Early cruise missile by the looks of it. But proper basic. ..
Spent many many many weekends and weeks during the school holidays staying on HMS Bristol in the early 2000s.
Careful, Drach, you may be opening a can of worms talking about post 1950s ships! I suspect many other people reading this, like me, can name a ship we served on that we'd love to see reviewed, and we know you'd rather stick to more distant history.
Wonderful video, many thanks Rob Griffin and Drachinifel.
I served on the Bristol from 81 to 83 and went to the Falklands on her.
I was the Ikara Tracking and Guidance maintainer, it was amazing to see the video showing a missile coming out of the handling space onto the launcher. I'd not seen that since 82, brought a tear to my eye.
I remember the swimming pool in the old LIMBO mortar well. Yes, the Americans were gobsmacked but even better were the Russians doing low pass helicopter surveillance to monitor what was going on, on the upper deck. We prepared by setting up deckchairs, cocktails and party clothes around the pool. The Soviet intelligence analysts must have had a cow when they saw it.
Our first port of call after the Falklands was the City of Bristol where we were treated like heros and didn't have to pay for anything if we were in rig.
A great ship to serve on and definitely one of a kind.
My son spent a few happy weekends on Bristol when he was in the Sea Cadets in the late nineties. 🙂
I always jokingliy told people that the hangar of Yamato was a swimming pool...And you Brits did it for real XD
I clicked on closed captions, because Griffin's accent makes it hard for a Yank to understand, and was surprised at how incompetent the CC program is! Heroin for heroes and other oddities made it quite funny, but it's also made me mad because the interesting bits get lost in the translation.
does the Royal Navy know that you are sort of retired.
Someday I’d love to hear about the rhyme and reason behind how the RN comes up with its Type numbers. Type 82? 43? 23? Huh?
Types 10-29 = ASW frigates
Types 30-39 = GP frigates
Types 40-59 = AA destroyers
Types 60-79 = ADW destroyers
Types 80-99 = multi-role sloops/destroyers
Ships are assigned Type numbers at the design stage, so the gaps (such as why the RN is going from T23 to T26 frigates) represent designs that were proposed but never ordered.
@@jozg44 Thank you very much from the colonies.
Wanna come over for a BBQ and a swim in our pool🤣👏
Rob was great. Wonderful interview.
10:09 I know modern VLS cells are better, but the launch rail 'turrets' LOOK so cool
VLS cells make modern warships look empty.
I was only reading last night from Capt. Brown's 'Wings on my Sleeve' about his help and then his disappointment over the abandonment of the CVA-1 carriers.
Very nice post, its a pretty boat. Texas A&M Galveston has always kept a retired Navy boat for cadet training and "schools in" cruses as well. Never give up the study for business cases in education of maritime, law, transportation, engineering, military and tourism,
I would be the American he spoke of trying to save her
And now for something completely different….
Oh Brother!
Lovely. Always found her fascinating. Thanks for a nicely different video
The Bristol was in service when I was in the RN during the 80's.
She was big compared to the T42 etc. She always reminds me of a half way house in her design. She has some features of the preceeding County Class Destroyers and when you look at the T42 design you can see some of Bristol in that. It's a shame that she's been left to rot and will probably end up at the scrappers 😢
The Type 42's were smaller at 120ish meters in Batch 1 and 2 ships...but ended up needed to be enlarged by Batch 3 because of seakeeping issues. Bristol was a better design outright
In the summer of 1994, I reckon, I spent a week aboard the Bristol as part of a Sea Cadet camp. My abiding memory was the look of horror on the face of the American cadets (who were on exchange) when, having turned to my mate to request a cigarette, I said "Eh Bullock, I'm roasting to suck on a fag mate..." 😳...Lost in translation...😂
IIRC there were some warship books that regarded Bristol as a cruiser. Thank you to CPO Griffin for his contribution.
I don't feel confident that she will ever become a museum ship now. Too much of her has been removed.
Which is a shame.
The navy wanted cruisers but had the nouse to call the destroyers to get them past the treasury..
As for her being a museum ship...
Can't help but think health and safety will destroy this country completely one day...
While Bristol is the size of a cruiser, she only had the armament of a destroyer. I always found it inexplicable that the Type 82 was designed with so much empty space and made so little use of its size.
@@RedXlV Even though contemporary American ships made her look paltry, she was still the most powerfully-armed ship then-built for the Royal Navy. BRISTOL's design originated in the post-war cruiser studies, and she was used for "cruiser duties." More tentatively, in the sales sheet to which CPO Griffin refers in the video (the one where they say she MUST be scrapped), she was described as a light cruiser - recognition for what she was, at last. (I will kick myself forever for not saving a copy.) 😊
@@jaisheelal4006 I was more comparing Bristol to her immediate predecessors, the Type 42 destroyers. While they have a significantly smaller Sea Dart magazine, otherwise they're 3/5 Bristol's displacement but *almost* match her armament (especially once Ikara got retired, since it was replaced by nothing instead of installing any new weapons in that now-empty forward deck space) while also having a hangar for the helicopter. And the Type 42 Batch 3 (enlarged to 2/3 Bristol's displacement) even included room to expand the Sea Dart magazine to almost as large as Bristol's, though for whatever reason (presumably the Royal Navy's eternal budget shortfalls) this option was never utilized.
I feel like Bristol would've been an exceptional ship for her era if all that empty deck space aft had been utilized for a hangar (given her greater beam than the Type 42s possibly even hangars for *2* Lynxes) while raising the Sea Dart launcher so that it fires over the top of the hangar. Then replacing the Ikara launcher with a second Sea Dart launcher forward. Also, given that Sea Dart and ASROC are very similar in both length and diameter, it seems as if it wouldn't have been that difficult to modify the Sea Dart launcher to be compatible with both missiles (like what the US Navy later did with Standard MR and ASROC with the Mark 26 launcher). And instead of installing new steam turbines after they were destroyed in that original fire, just replace them with another pair of Olympus gas turbines.
lol I'm sure the rest of the fleet was like " Wait what they got a pool! Request a transfer to the Bristol!"
In 1987 ( poss' 88) she became the 3rd ship in the dartmouth training squadron after a period in dry dock fitting her out for such things as extra accommodation, fresh water production, and gash storage / recycling etc. The swimming pool was gone by the time I was on her in 86 and was a gym with weight training equipment. She was also unique with an extensive wooden deck which I believe no other ship had at the time ( except for may be Royal Yacht Britannia). She was a good ship with lots of upper deck space, as well as other accesses to the outside. Important when you were a stoker in the steam turbine / boiler/ gear box spaces. I believe I was one of over 450 crew at the time, so quite a lot for the size.
I like fun. I like Fridays. I like ships. I believe I will watch this.
What a lovely guest, so courteous and thoughtful. Lovely gent.
Ah, HMS teenage pregnancy
Thank you very much.
Very interesting presentation.
Beautiful ship. Too bad we didn't see the carriers she was supposed to escort.
And a nice chap. 🤺😉
Had even just the initial pair of the carriers been built, there never would've been a Falklands War. Argentina would've never dared to pick a fight with a Royal Navy *that* powerful.
It would also be interesting to see how the Royal Navy handled replacing the Phantoms when the time came. Would they have made a "Sea Tornado"? Bought some F-14s? Just held out with the Phantoms into the 90s and replaced it with a "Sea Typhoon"?
A Sea Tornado and Sea Typhoon would have been quite likely. Maybe the French would have stayed in the program too, instead of developing their own carrier planes, like the Rafale.
Typhoon and Sea Typhoon probably would have become a multirole fighters? 🤺😉
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Interesting to see Bristol getting a mention ,as an apprentice my first major project was the fire damage , incredible the way it broke out in individual compartments thanks to the vent system , leading to improved fire detection being fitted to many other ships , pretty amazing she got back to sea in months . A crash course in tracing and rewiring or repairing cables .I was also involved in converting her , we had some interesting times taking the generator and other bits off Kent and installing them . Fun fact , the original modern radar had been removed the radar mentioned was a single ' bedstead ' from Kent . She was a bigger ship in most spaces than the 42 and easier to work on .
I've spent quite a lot of time on the Bristol. I hope they can save it.
Yes, it would be great to save her as a RN Falklands war memorial ship.
@@99IronDuke HMS Amuscade is coming back from Pakistan for a museum in Scotland.
Apart from the swimming pool - subsequently modified and repurposed as an extension to 3R(Aft) mess, Bristol, I believe, was the only ship to have a spiral staircase. This led from the wardroom to the wardroom annex, with access to the upper deck. Served on her when she was DTS 88-89: West Africa & the Baltic, including visits to Leningrad (as was) & Gdynia, deployments.
Seems a shame that they didn't fit her with SeaWolf and Goalkeeper. It could have been a good escort. Even with just the SeaWolf added I bet they would have really used it in the Falklands.
She was Bristol's NAVAL EXTENSION. It was a great sadness when she was put out of commission.
Always the same in this country, you can list a 1970's skyscraper but can't save a historic ship. Damn shame. Great to hear tales from those who were there.
You said it
I know it’ll never happen, but I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Forrest Sherman or Tench class after he mentioned the former in a previous video
A cruiser in all but name.
My little brother went away for a "camp" in HMS Bristol when he was in the Sea Cadets.
Given there were to be two CVA.01 aircraft carriers, this would imply four to eight "Bristol" DGs. With an escort like this, one has to ask why the RN kept insisting on putting Sea Dart on the carriers. Eliminating the Sea Dart would reduce costs, reduce displacement and allow the lengthening of the hanger and flight deck. Understanding that around the same time, the USN was putting Terriers on CVAs. The Enterprise left off the Terriers leaving space for a point defense system. A few years later, CVA.01 could of had Sea Wolf. With a bit of constructive book-keeping and a better political game plan, the RN might have beaten off the RAF. The real problem was the National nuclear program. Britain's independent nuclear program, like France's cut deep into the funding for conventional forces and the need for savings outside the nuclear program led to a number of "poor" decisions. With some changes in the late 1940s, such as Britain accepting Truman's offer to participate in the US nuclear weapons development and more integration between US and British aerospace companies there could have been some reasonable compromises and cost reductions. Imagine a "County" class DG with Terrier/Standard Missile instead of Sea Slug? Or the British-Canadian 3" 70 mount winning over the US mount and becoming the primary missile ship armament instead of the 5" Mount Mk.42 (though the reliability problems with the Mk.42 had more to do with using the gun/mount for something it wasn't designed for, long periods of shooting versus quick AA engagements).
As a Bristol lad I approve of this video :)
Yes, very exciting when she visited Bristol in the early 80s
I have spent time on HMS Bristol as an Air Cadet. Really enjoyable time, I was in the fo’ward male bunks.
WT......F?????? Unisex heads at the request of schools did I hear that right? Our world sucks how do I go back in time?
That swimming pool could be filled with VLS these days....and then add another pool lol Bristol was a good ship 😄 If I was a billionaire....she would be saved for sure
I am really surprised at the 'positive' words for HMS Bucket (as I have long thought of her). It was said she should have been scrapped on the drawing board, having heard stories of sailors with 20 years of sea legs having uncomfortable re-introductions to their last meal when the engines were put through their paces in moderate seas ("she bounced like a speedboat" was how one put it) because of the narrow beam which also meant gangways were uncomfortable narrow and often impassable during drills.
Her predecessor at Whale island however, HMS Kent, now she was a lady! And one modern ship I dearly wish was still with us!
Excellent , but to say that the cost of keeping her would be to high is ridiculous , how much is spent on Warrior or Victory no one says cut her up for firewood as she is to expensive to maintain!!
We don’t have anything that represents this period of our naval history and to have a complete ship in relatively good condition is unique . She would be fantastic if she could be moored next to Warrior .
We don’t have anything else left to preserve and unlike America we seem a bit wet about preserving our naval heritage , she could be a fantastic memorial to the personnel that fought and died in the Falklands.
10:32 I took that picture from HMS Cardiff
I look forward to meeting you tomorrow morning. Thanks for the great content as always.
I had the pleasure of touring Bristol when she visited Toronto back in July, 1984. Beautiful ship.
I was on Bristol then, Toronto was one of the best visits I ever went on, We were so well looked after by locals, Our Mess was ‘Adopted’ by a local Rowing Club!
@@davidbaglee7738 I'm glad to hear it is as happy a memory for you as it is for me.