36 Submarines for Indian Navy - A Comprehensive Alpha Defense Analysis
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Is it going to be like the last 30 year submarine modernization plan? The only hope we can lay on is the SSBN program which is directly monitored by PMO. As the infra will get idle soon, better to launch SSN program under the same roof.
Already Submarine tender Guideline Changed
What about indias
Own conventional submarine programme p76( 12 of them)
Midget submarine ( 2+ 4 )
Extra large autonomous platform drones ... (More than 10)
What about these projects???? 🤔🤔
India should scrap the requirement of proven AIP aunder P75 I and order 6 more subs of scorpene class under P75 I. Also, give immediate follow on order of P75 Kalveri submarines..
Recently decommissioned kilo class submarine should be used to test DRDO AIP
Makes sense
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Pakistan ke 8 hangoor class submarine per videos banao jo Pakistan china sai most advanced submarine purchase kar rha hai isko mila kar pakistan kai pass abhi 9 submarines hain aur ab 8 hangoor class submarine mila kar total 17 submarine ho jain ge Jo baki ke 9 submarines pari hai usko Turkey ke STM company sai upgrade karwa leya hai pakistan navy nai
During Congress period, *They said No Money For Defense*
BJP Funding DRDO, HAL, ISRO AND Helps to Strengthening Defense. Making 3rd Strongest Airforce in the World.
India definitely need close to 40 submarines for deterrence. I hope navy don't push for a third aircraft carrier soon and see the big picture and make an indigenous nuclear aircraft carrier of 60000-70000 tonnes by 2035-40 as reactor tech will take atleast 10-15 years for complete development to power such a big aircraft carrier.
Navy have more data and experience.
They know if AC is more important than submarines or not.
There is a trained workforce in Cochin shipyard, Which will loose expertise if not given follow-up order of Another Carrier .
It's use it or loose it🙌
@@AnishAaravOO1 it's always the same, there is a trained workforce in MDL too for submarines, but that doesn't mean there should be follow up orders
@@anshulsingh8326 Obviously submarines are important as of now, coz all those p75 projects got delayed, the proposed strength of 30 submarines couldn't be achieved till now, and there are multiple submarines that are close to retirement, i mean what can indian navy do with such a paltry submarine fleet.
I don’t think the tally will reach 30+ submarines by 2030. I dont know about timeline but s5 class will take time and lets assume first s5 comes by 2027-2029. Then rest of s5 class will start getting delivered.
Also about p75i we don’t know when actually work will get start?
So the number looks good on paper but difficult when we keep it in our timeline.
A good analysis. Keeping the past in mind we can only hope this plan is actually implemented.
Also two mistakes in this video. First, a sub's capability is not reduced when it's alone. That is it's main purpose. It's most effective when It's alone.
It's role in a carrier group is important but secondary. In this situation, it's capability is restricted by what is determined by the CO of the task force.
Second, the Chinese Navy is not a paper tiger! The reason why there were no hostilities between the US and China is because neither side wanted to fight each other.
Also China is not yet ready for a full invasion of Taiwan. But they will be by the end of the decade.
In the 1990's the US could sail a carrier group in the Taiwan stright and China could do nothing about it. This time the US had four carriers but they kept their distance. 10 years from now they will have to stay further away.
We Indians love to deride the Chinese military capabilities. But they are way ahead of us in almost every aspect and will soon be in a position to challenge the US Navy in the waters around Taiwan.
By the way, Nancy Pelosi's visit had nothing to do with US' military capability. In fact, they told her not to go! She went anyway for her own political reasons. So the US had to display it's full naval might to the world.
You are absolutely correct 👍👍
Do think Navy is better than IAF in procurement processes?
If yes then is there any chance of identification, planning and execution frameworks be shared between them?
yes navy is much better cause they do most of buying from indian shipyards unlike our airforce p-75i and lhd project are getting delayed because they have to be build with foregin partners
This seems too optimistic...if we go by the plan in the video we will effectively have 36 - 4 Shishumar - 7 Kilo = 25 subs by 2035....even in this the 7 SSBNs will be under Strategic Forces Command and not under Navy....hence we are left with 25 - 7 = 18 Submarines by 2035...and this number will only be achieved if 6 subs in Project 75I goes as per plan and simultaneously we also produce 6 SSNs which seems highly unlikely....hence we are going to struggle in this beyond 2035 as well
If 2024 Govt Change,Only Commission,import lobby will continue to Loot Public Money,To surrounder Infront of CHINA
Not optimistic, it's bullcrap
No way navy will have close to 30 submarines by the end of this decade
20 to 22 is a most likely number
One of the best channel when it comes to defense analysis 👏 👌
JAI HIND 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
Always great to watch your video subodh..
Why these submarine building process takes one by one of the class?
Why don't build 2 or 3 same class submarines at a time in different places/yards?
So that we can speed up the production of submarines right?
Amazing animation & excellent presentation.
Ur videos r always very informative, thanx
I'll be honest here- ye plans, future, requirements, procurements, RFI, RFPs. Ye saare terms ek video mein sun le aag lag jaati hai dil mein considering the pace at which they progress but what can I do. Ek ko hatao to dusra usse bhi bada waala brasht hai. Population is busy is freebies and caste politics.
Indeed
Bhai , Indian Navy ke future fleet pe ek vedio banaye. In future Indian Navy ki kya stand hogi?.
Very informative on India's submarine programme.
OMG the classic blue board
It is good anaysis but a very optimistic one. Constructing 17 new subs (6 p8i, 6 SSN and 5 SSBN) is close to impossible, specially in Indian context.
In between, there was news that IN will lease 1 Kilo class sub to DRDO for testing its AIP, do you have any update on that...??
So good 👌👌 thanks 🙏
Alpha explanation was awesome man
Ideally India 🇮🇳 requires the following :
1. 12 Diesel-Electric SSN's which would operate within 1000 km of Indian Coastline.
2. 15 Nuclear SSN"s with AIP, which can operate > 1000 km of Indian Coastline, and also act with offensive deterrence.
3. 9 Nuclear SSBN's with 💯 % offensive capabilities with unlimited range.
N.B. - This is the requirement till 2029, later to which looking at the inevitable future conflicts with our eastern neighbour's our fleet strength of Nuclear SSN and SSBN"s have to be proportionately increased to match our eastern neighbor, to act with credible ⚛ deterrence.
@Sagar Thakker
I believe you honestly meant
2032.
🙃😉
Good explained, Thanks.
So this Circus being played since 1999 and may be continued to 2035.
Innovation design and innovation wepans
Awesome but what about the aircraft carriers? INS Vishal bhi chahiye Indian Navy ko
Awesome content.
🇮🇳 Jay hind 🇮🇳
Why doesn't DRDO retrofit a Sishumar/Sindhughosh with AIP and test it out ?
Yes, they will , Sindhughosh/ kilo class is the test bed
जय हिन्द जय भारत जय जवान 🙏🙏
Looking the situation which we have to face in our seas & Indian Ocean by 2040,with 12 SSK with AIP from Pakistan,6 SSK from Bangladesh,4/6 Type39 with AIP from Thailand in Indian Ocean & Bay of Bengal,along with their master PLAN with 6 SSN,12-16 SSK with AIP,4 SSBN & 2 Aircraft Carriers based out of Pakistan,Bangladesh,Sri Lanka,Thailand or Myanmar.
In the meantime also intrusions from Indonesian Navy.
We need a fleet of 64 Submarines in total:
12 Scorpene Submarine with AIP retrofitted,Lithium Ion Batteries.
12 P76 submarine based on Enlarged Scorpene/Type 216/218/KSS/Amur 1950/Imrpoved Lada with 8-12 VLS cells,AIP retrofitted & Lithium Ion Batteries,all built by private sectors in 2 parallel lines,6 each.
12 SSN(As 195MW reactors are not ready,so buying Rubis Class designs from France,with modifications would be great equipped with 95MW reactors,along with 8-10 VLS tubes retrofitted,Pumpjet Propulsion)
When 195MW reactors arrives,then 6000-7000 tonnes SSN with firepower similar to Yasen/Los Angeles/Virginia Class in firepower with 12 VLS tubes & 8 533 mm Torpedo tubes.
6 Rubis Class Designs based SSN
6 Yasen/Barracuda/Similar Class based SSN
6 S4 Class SSBN
6 S5 Class SSBN
16 Midget Submarine of Type206/Amur 550/STM500 Class in size & displacement having a range of 1500-2000km when submerged,equipped with 8 533mm Torpedo tubes for Heavy Torpedoes/SLCM,having Lithium Ion Batteries,they will decrease the workload of normal SSK as they will perform all Coastal operations.
They need to spend around 45-48 billion dollars till 2040 for all these,as SSBN funds will come from MOD directly.
Along with these to protect Indian Ocean from any Aggression & mantain Dominance we need a fleet by 2040,consisting of:
24 Destroyers similar to Sejong the Great Class Destroyers,not oversized frigates termed as Destroyers.
32 Frigates(12 Light Frigates based on Kamorta Class Corvettes designs with modifications,configurations will be:
76mm Naval gun
16 cells for Barak 8ER
8 cells VLS for 32 VL SRSAM
8 cells VLS for ASW missiles
8 SSM in Cannisters
2 Pantsir/Palma/RIM116 CIWS
2 Triple Light Torpedoe tubes
24 ASUW Corvettes(Merging both NGMV & NGC with adding ASW capabilities)+24 ASW Corvettes
16 FAC vessels with 8/12 SSM,76mm Naval gun,1 CIWS,Torpedo tubes/Mine Rails
24 Armed OPV with 12/16 SR NASM/KH35/NSM,2 RIM116/SEARAM/Pantsir CIWS & Mine Rails/Torpedo tubes
32 Fast Patrol Crafts of 300-400 tonnes similar to Car Nicobar Class armed with 8 SR NASM,57mm Naval guns,SHORAD & 2 RWS
4 Aircraft Carriers(2 STOBAR & 2 CATOBAR of 48000-52000 tonnes with Catapults & Conventional propulsion)
4 Helicopter Carriers + 6 Makassar Class LPD
16 Japanese style Minesweepers
& Auxiliaries
For Aviation:
48 Rafale M/FA 18 Super Hornet
80 TEDBF if Ready
36 F35B fighters
48 MH60R ASW +48 IMRH ASW +36 IMRH SAR
72 ALH Dhruv MK3 Naval +48 LUH Naval
18 AW101 CROWSNEST AEW +6 E2D Hawkeye
24 S70 Ohtonik/Dassault Neuron/Ghatak
18 MQ9 Reapers/Mohave+ 24 IAI Eitan UCAV STOL
48 IMRH Armed/Ka52K for Helicopter Carriers
24 LR Bombers Leased
India submarine project nuclear submarine leaser wepans operates and 10 generation submarine programs
India has to acquire nuclear attack submarines(ssn) as soon as possible,
Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Have to do it
Why DRDO did not create an experimental module which could test the AIP? I mean a single pod with just the AIP being tested in the water near a sea coast or just hanging from a ship.
My opinion- The assessment might not be fully correct though. Type 209 is 35 yrs old & would likely start retiring within this decade, although Kilo Class might continue.
We should plan to retire Type 209 by 2028 so that all 4 retire by 2030. Till then we can work on improving it's weapons package & other small upgrades. Comprehensive upgrade doesn't make sense here.
We can comprehensively upgrade 6 Kilo Class Submarines with technologies like Lithium ION Batteries, upgrading Avionics, Indigenising Weapons Package etc. to keep them operational for another 10 yrs while retiring 1 Sub which can be used as a Testbed to test technologies like DRDO AIP & other leading future technologies which we would look to incorporate in our indigenous Submarine (whenever we plan to construct them). At the same time, Kalvari Subs would also start going a refit to get DRDO AIP.
Parallely, order for 6 Subs under P75I would also be placed which would likely act as a future replacement for 6 Kilo Submarines in service. Since even if we sign P75I by next year, first submarine would take around 6-7 yrs to get rolled out & another 1 yr for trials. So by 2030 we'll induct first P75I sub & other 5 by 2035. By 2032 start retiring 6 Kilo Class in Batches of 2 each, all retired by 2035.
Also, Navy should start planning about an indigenous Submarine from now so that by 2026-27, design gets an approval & by 2028-29, construction starts with first roll out within 7 yrs- by 2036 & induction by 2037. 6 Submarines if possible can be rolled out by 2040 if joint production is undertaken between L1 & L2. Both Public(MDL)/Private(L&T) to closely work with Navy's Submarine Design Center (on lines of Ship Design Center).
6 SSN order can be placed by 2024-25 so that first sub starts rolling out within 8 yrs. Expect induction by 2033-34 & all 6 by 2038-39. Though 3 S5 SSBN orders might get completed by 2032 approx.
If we see the timeline of each, none of the projects would fully get completed before 2038 at best & still it would be around 31 Subs unless we plan for 9 indigenous SSK (unlikely since it's our first time) (6 Kalvari+ 6 P75I + 6 Indigenous SSK + 6 Indigenous SSN + 2 Arihant Class SSBN+ 2 S4 Class SSBN + 3 S5 Class SSBN).
We hope IN finalises the P75i deal soon
Finally kuch to update ayi project 75i Kay baray main ❤️
bharat submarine fleet par fullfage me kaam kare taki 2031 tak61 submarin ki fleet ko ready karle aur 2035-036 tak 75 submarin ki fleet ko nevime induct karle. sabhi subs. neuc. powered ho aur maximum missiles ko carrie kar sake.
Blue graph sheet is always good count analysis.
Gotland class submarines have moving part in AIP then also it got hit on US aircraft carrier in exercise
Arey bhai...voh purani vali submarine videos ki yadein🥺
This in Nth video on procurement for Indian defence forces and mote than double will come
Me soch rha tha ek webseries bna dete h is drama ke uper
Episode name suggest kro guys, jaise mmrca 1.0
Bring the " latest " gen stealth submarines 2 from Russia and 2 from US...and obtain respective licences and blue prints for production of other such subs in India.
L&T and TATA can build quality vessels in collaboration with Naval Engineers.
Also buy the Nimitz from USA ..immediately...while indigenous builds continue.
India needs to give a massive technological boost on all fronts of defence ..to ensure being at the forefront in upcoming years amidst prevailing threat scenarios.
Sell the aging crafts to countries who are willing to buy ...to cover partial costs.
Also consider the use of REMOTE UNMANNED RADAR EVADING SUBMARINES .
Then we can sell our country to US
We will really wait to see tha day #36 active submarines in Indian Navy or at least work begins to construct, we r very delayed on this end with Chinese getting aggressive by the day
MRFA ka.naval version
Agar sab sahi chala to navy ke paas 36 subs hogi, agar sab sahi chala to IAF ke paas MRFA se 114 jets honge.
Kaha kho gaya MRFA? Kaun betha hai file pe ?
Gadkari ko banao defence ya finances minister lekin for PM ko insecurity hogi ke Gadkari PM ban gaye to sahi me jhola le kar chalna padega
Chahte to hum bhi he ki 36 submarine ho pr Dukh ki baat ye he ki hmare system ke karan hum nyi submarine bnate hi tb he jb purani retaire ho rhi hoti he esliye submarine ka no. Utna hi rehta increse nhi hota
Jai hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Sir kya Bharat Strategic bomber khud se bna skta hai?
AURA ko bda krke.
6 more scorpene class submarine should be given order till the project 75I is finalised because shishumar class is very old and less space is remaining there to make it more advanced
Indian Navy ka koi SLCM program bhi he kya..please throw light
जय हिंद 🇮🇳
👍🏼
Apke jawab ka besabri se intjar mein
That's just a dream . So sweet dreams
Sir please make video on China's aggression and India's failing policies against aggression
DRDO Still not developed basic Technology like Submarine Lunching Torpedo, Advanced Towed Array Sonar for Surface warships to detect Submarine which are need Very Urgently....
DRDO should use the recently retired Kilo Class Submarine as a test bed for Indigenous AIP Testing...
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Indian navy 💞
Jay hind
Paper dragon 🐉.... Gajab Bejjati hain...😉
10 saal se fasa h or puri puri umeed h ki agle 10 saal tak bhi fasa rahega or jordaar planing he hogi 🙏🙏
When we can see results of project 75i🙏
DRDO Still not developed Long range Subsonic stealth cruise Missile...Give Private Start Up for development UCAV, Long range Subsonic stealth cruise Missile Soon to develop urgently
Bro what do u think , be honest will it really turn out or same case like before?
It should move now.. mostly with Germany
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Pakistan ke 8 hangoor class submarine per videos banao jo Pakistan china sai most advanced submarine purchase kar rha hai isko mila kar pakistan kai pass abhi 9 submarines hain aur ab 8 hangoor class submarine mila kar total 17 submarine ho jain ge Jo baki ke 9 submarines pari hai usko Turkey ke STM company sai upgrade karwa leya hai pakistan navy nai
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Pakistan ke 8 hangoor class submarine per videos banao jo Pakistan china sai most advanced submarine purchase kar rha hai isko mila kar pakistan kai pass abhi 9 submarines hain aur ab 8 hangoor class submarine mila kar total 17 submarine ho jain ge Jo baki ke 9 submarines pari hai usko Turkey ke STM company sai upgrade karwa leya hai pakistan navy nai
रूसी यासेन क्लास की सबमरीन्स सबसे बेस्ट सबमरीन्स है
Project P75 needs to be thrown in toilet of aircraft carrier 😁
It's been a pipe dream from the past 20 years
Why can't we Procure 3 Additional Scopene Class Subs...
MDL already finished the last Subs.
Jai hind 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
Why are our Armed forces Contracts /Deals Take So Time for Production/ execution..... please make a Video.... Jai hind
Indian Army mean all forces never like to use our new own develop attack weapon like tejas. If we not use or make then how this weapon get tested if we don't make submarine with out own develop AIP system then how it get tested
We will fail anything to get commission s ??
Indian Navy ka modernization bolu ya oldernization.. 🙏🙏🙏
36 submarine 2060 tak syed navy ko mil jayengi . p75 ki submarines jo India Mey ban rahi hai or nuclear ssbn 2 sey 4 saal tak tuo test hi hotey hai. 1sall dieasal wali ko 4sall nuclear wali test clear kerti hai abhi learning ni hua hai. kya ho raha hai. samj sey bahr hai. ssn submarine tuo pheli phir 5 saal Mey tyar hogi 5 saal test hongey. phir dusri 4sall 3rd 3saal. bahut speed hai.
i don't think its possible because of current economic condition in india and world too,
PMO and navy should shit on table and talk about 40+ subrines till 2040 with 10+ nuclear submarine
At least close to 50 subs will be good not better but if we can achieve that will be good.
India will have only 9 conventional Submarine by 2026 - 6 scorpion , 1 kilo class , 2 sindhugosh class Submarine
If special Airforce 1 can be for the US President then why not Indian Navy VVIP nuclear submarine for the PM, President etc to be used incase of nuclear war?
Now pw is biggest platform of India
Pakistan ke 8 hangoor class submarine per videos banao jo Pakistan china sai most advanced submarine purchase kar rha hai isko mila kar pakistan kai pass abhi 9 submarines hain aur ab 8 hangoor class submarine mila kar total 17 submarine ho jain ge Jo baki ke 9 submarines pari hai usko Turkey ke STM company sai upgrade karwa leya hai pakistan navy nai
@Alpha Defense - Hindi What happened to the DRDO's proposal to fit its AIP on a Kilo class sub to prove the technology? Why is IN so interested to waste so much effort and money spent by DRDO ??
Navy aur air force itna majboot kr de India ki taraf koi aankh na dikha paye
45 nuclear submarine india needs
Already Submarine tender Guideline Changed
36 kya 06 bhi àa jaye agle 02 years mein
Why doesn't indian navy upgrade its kilo class to the latest standards with russian help
Bhut Bada order hoga navy ka
We are doing technology transfer for years. Are we that incompetent.
Air India
It's misleading to say that India will have 36 submarines by 2035. The best case scenario is that by 2035, IN will have 12 SSK , 7 SSBN and 3 SSN.
That's only 15 Submarines actually for any operational deployments. The SSBNs are for deterrence having different role.
And 15 is the number we hold today.
Meanwhile Pakistan by 2028 will have 11 SSK.
Abhi sirf 2022 hi hai P75i aur P76 baki hai
@@aryanyadav3690 The last date to reply for P75I is around in December. Considering then in another 6 months we decide the winner and then in 6 more month we sign the deal. Then from ordering long lead items to cutting of steel is another 12-18 months. Then another 30-36 months for construction. Then another 12 months minimum for sea trials. That's when you get the 1st P75I in service.
My timelines are what you call optimistic. Add 2-3 years more for a realistic one.
We Know P-75I Diesel Electric Submarines will take many Decades to get operational but why we are inducting SSBN at very slow pace. Till now only one Arihant SSBN is operational. We are Manufacturing SSBN so why it is taking too much time for induction. S5 SSBN which will be bigger can take time but why S3, S4 and S4* is taking too much time. This shows Indian Navy is not serious about Countering China in Naval Power.
Let's get the first 6 boats.
Hope so...the things u said go as per plan.. otherwise ..
अतिमानव टार्गेट 100 का होना चाहिए गर समंदर मे सत्ता स्थापित करना है।
2030
Our submarine strength is too small in comparison with those of enemy.