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As a computer science major who will soon be working in NYC as a software engineer, I agree with many of the points in this video. My first-year salary will exceed $100k after only a bachelor's degree. Although this is due to a combination of several internships done during college, the cost of living in New York, and sheer luck and blessings, many of my peers are also finding roles with great compensation. if any high schoolers, college students, or even people out of school are considering learning how to code, I strongly urge you all to make the leap.
@Tobi The Great a comment worth pinning. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts on this. What you said here will fuel our comp sci students to stay inspired and keep the fire burning. One question though. What uni did you attend? If you could share tips as well I would greatly appreciate that. Cheers!
@@ShaneHummus Definitely, thanks for responding! I went to Williams College, a small liberal arts school. Although considered elite, it wasn't known for Computer Science so I had to hustle for a lot of internships and opportunities. I enjoy regularly watching your videos, especially because it makes us viewers really think about the financial value of our majors, and how much of our tuition costs we could reasonably expect to recoup. I try to get as many of my friends and younger family to consume content like this. As for tips, I would say to get engaged in communities where people discuss software engineering and the tech industry. For me, it was Reddit and watching tech UA-camrs. But for other people, it could also be social events like tech meetups or hackathons. Also, learning CS fundamentals and algorithms in popular books such as Cracking the Coding Interview is near-essential for success in attaining software engineering jobs. Especially the high-paying ones. And lastly, for any of your tech/computer science-oriented viewers, I have a UA-camr channel where I talk about the tech world in lots more depth. Sorry for the shameless plug! Happy to answer any more questions here though.
Short answer: yes. Graduated with one in December 2018. Now I make 80K at my job as a Full Stack Engineer. The best strategy is the degree and an internship or paid work to get a job. It was well worth it.
Do recommend taking computer science with something else. Also what resources do you recommend to expose yourself to computer science. I’m only a sophomore in high school and have no experience whatsoever. But I think I may want to major in computer science in college.
@@jaysonemile6633 taking Computer Science with Business would be great honestly. It gives you flexibility and can fast track you into manager roles. Mathematics is good if you want to get into Data Analytics as well. There are literally countless resources to get exposed to computer science. One of the best is tutorialspoint for learning a computer language or w3 schools for web design. But the best question is to determine WHAT software engineering field are you interested in getting into. Mobile development? Web Development? Data Analytics? There are a bunch of different computer science fields to get into.
One of my classmates from college was a former software developer. He managed to break into the field without a CS degree but the company he worked for had to downsize. They decided to lay off all employees who didn't have a 4-year degree. It's an anecdotal example but having a degree in CS or a related field is a good investment for increased job security within such a volatile field of work.
Zebachi couldn't agree more.. That's why I always say having a degree is always better than not having one. Thanks for leaving a sensible comment, please check out my other videos and let me know your thoughts on them. Cheers!
@@shivsoni1281 It's a bit complicated. He would probably be able to get another job in software development. However, I do not know what the overall quality of this job would be. One of the reasons why software developers (in general) get paid a lot is due to a very high demand and a relatively low supply of qualified people. A developer who is not satisfied with their pay or work conditions can quit and easily find someone who is willing to give them the pay/conditions that they want. This puts a good deal of bargaining power in the hands of developers/engineers/etc., as opposed to the companies as a whole. However, many of those good paying jobs require that candidates hold a BS or MS, so developers who lack one of these degrees will also lose a significant amount of bargaining power as compared to someone with one of those degrees.
@kieron People says that if u love solving hard math without any help. U should choose cse . Bt is it possible as a 9th grade student I'm solving hard math without any help. And I'm not like that so brilliant student. Bt I know I'm a good student. Always Rankin between (1-10) . Bt is cse is like that.........
It's been 4 years since graduating with my computer engineering degree. Pay is amazing. Benefits are amazing. Flexibility is amazing. The projects are (usually) interesting. There are so many openings in computing. There are so many business opportunities as well. It's absolutely insane! I think companies are really, really desperate for talent right now. I got lucky ending up in Silicon Valley but there is no doubt in my mind that the degree is extremely lucrative anywhere in the developed world. At my university, computer engineering was 85% computer science, 15% electrical/electronics engineering. It's functionally equivalent to computer science as far as the industry is concerned. I chose to take robotics electives in school but don't actually use those skills in my job. I'm just a standard software developer/engineer. Haha. I have a friend who went the boot camp route and struggled a lot in the field, being the first target during layoffs and having to learn A TON of stuff that boot camps just don't cover. With some tutoring and some years of on-the-job training he is doing OK now, too. I'd definitely recommend the degree route as it lays the complete foundation and gives you the flexibility to learn about some of the more advanced specializations like machine learning, artificial intelligence, programming languages, computer graphics, game development, distributed systems, and more in a controlled learning environment with ample timing before jumping straight into the subset of the industry you're interested in.
@M.V Brown I'm a bit biased towards CS. I did have a few classmates that double majored in CS and some math majors (Applied Mathematics or similar IIRC). I think there's significant overlap, but the job outlook for CS seems so much better from what I can tell. If you're into computers or tech in any way (websites, apps, robotics, video games), I'd say go with CS hands down. If you are more of a number cruncher (actuary, statistician, big data analysis, etc.), I'd say stick with mathematics and learn enough CS skills on the side (R, Python, Matlab, etc.) to stand out.
@M.V Brown I think that makes a lot of sense. I imagine you'd have a lot of flexibility in tech and also be in the running for more analyst-type jobs with that major-minor setup. Best of luck to you! I always stress to people that a CS degree is not easy. Since you like math, you'll probably be fine. CS in and of itself is more about discrete math (logic, set theory, graphs) than anything else. In you're a really math-y person, there are great subcategories of CS to go into like graphics, simulations, and machine learning. For example, in my junior year of college, I was taking vector calculus and working part-time for a research group that was making 3D ship simulation software for the Navy. While not realizing the connection at first glance, I found that I would learn about some vector math in class and be able to apply that math to add features to the custom 3D graphics engine we were making another day. That class had immediate payoff for me. I'd imagine, in practice, cases like this are few and far between though, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@cruiserx5492 I imagine it doesn't matter much in the job hunt. I'd argue the school you went to would count more for or against you than BA vs. BS. I've heard having a BA may affect compensation, but the examples I've seen are fairly minor and few in number. When viewing resumes, I hardly pay attention to whether it's a BA, BS, BE, etc. and I would never bring it up in an interview even if I did. Most of my questions would be focused on areas of strength and expertise followed by sheer ability to solve problems as determined by a coding/whiteboard interview. I'd probably be most concerned about ensuring the skill set you'd pick up with a BA is practical and applies to the parts of the industry you want to target when you graduate. I imagine with a BA, you'd have the opportunity to pursue the arts a bit more which would be amazing for more the more creative parts of computing like game development, computer graphics, etc.
We need these types of videos in veterinary and nursing degrees, there are so many misconceptions about the two fields your help and expertise would be great
I was going to study veterinarian your whole bachelor’s degree is worth nothing you get paid like 20 thousand a year normally unless you get to veterinarian it’s only worth it if your getting to the highest point which veterinarian
Zach Weiss you got a good fall back bro.. Plan things out and don't be afraid to switch plans if the need to do so arises. With volatility comes opportunity. Good luck =)
You’ll still need to keep your skills fresh. If you can’t show you have the skill to work on the company’s systems and cannot pass the interview questions, you’ll still struggle.
One of the biggest cons when it comes to getting a computer science degree that you mentioned at the end but wasn't specifically part of the Cons list: It's hard as FUCK. If you struggle with math at all you better be prepared to work your ass off and be very ready for the real possibility that you're just not going to be able to complete it because it's too hard for you. Also a lot of people think that Computer Science is the same as software development, but it's not. So you really have to research and make sure you know what exactly it is before you decide to get a degree in it vs. teaching yourself programming and whatnot. Also ALSO it never ends. You constantly have to keep up with new technologies or languages that are getting developed all the time and it's basically a continuous learning process for the rest of your professional life or risk falling behind and getting canned, so if you're not interested enough to really love it in college there's a very real chance you'll get burned out. And I'm not being one of those guys that says "Don't do it unless you wanna dedicate your life to it or you'll never make it," but at the same time you really have to be okay with the fact that it's not a "learn in school then just go do it and never have to study again" type of career.
@@yalancyjunior3320 Yeah, software development is not the same as CPU science. Not by a long shot. There's very basic math involved with software engineering. All the Calculus and Linear Algebra or Differential Equations classes aren't really needed in software engineering. Unless you're working with a lot of numbers and complex logic like algorithms. There's more math in cyber security and Info technology sectors.
Here's another con: CS is not an easy degree to get. I'm currently a graduate student in computer science and I also teach freshman computer science courses (I'm a teaching assistant so I teach labs, professors give lectures), and from what I've seen, at least 40% of the freshmen entering computer science will be weeded out by the end of the year. Or as Tren Black would say: business by christmas. Also very important: contrary to what a lot of people think, CS is NOT software engineering. You're not just going to be writing code all the time, you're going to have to study algorithms, data structures, formal methods, discrete math, computer architecture, etc. If you don't like math and you're not good at math, you better buckle up and start reviewing or you too will be "business by Christmas".
minh quan Do very nice and practical advice. Completely agree with what you said here. If CS was easy then everyone could go for it that easy.. But it is difficult and will challenge your math skills. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.. Cheers to that buddy!
Things like fluids dynamics and thermodynamics is what is keeping me away from deciding between CS and mechanical engineering or even pure physics. I love physics (mechanics the most) and continuous math more than discrete mathematics, although I could learn discrete mathematics probably faster than most people but I feel sad for giving away a big part of physics if I do decide to go for a CS degree (but even though I like and I'm doing well at math, discrete mathematics is the least interesting to me and maybe even the hardest branch, I enjoy calculus and algebra more) . Currently I am in high school learning how to code through Harvard's CS50 and I thought about maybe doing things like robotics or mechatronics but I'm not sure yet. I have 2 more years until college and I will try to do as much things as I can to see what I like more and the other way around (maybe I don't like coding as much as I think but I can't remember a time when I was more excited than when I started coding 1 year ago). For now I will continue to learn coding and last week I started to prepare for a physics competition which begins 6 months from now so I will see how that will go. So in a CS degree, is it true that there is much more discrete mathematics than continuous maths or no?
Ryan Glasheen you must be electrified by this video, Now don't forget to like it haha.. Keep that fire burning and good luck with your chosen path Ryan. Cheers to you buddy!
@@ryanglasheen6150 don't need to put down computer science. Obviously fiance is more of your passion, and that's totally okay. I personally find passion in computer science.
The career counselor and instructors at the university that I attended used to say that there was a shortage of programmers and that jobs were falling out of the sky and that all students would find a job. When I would talk to graduates, most students never found a job and the job market was saturated. Graduate school was full of students all waiting for their big break.
My dad has a long story about getting into computer engineering with only a degree in finance. He says that at the time it was out of luck because there were some companies around where he lived which had a high demand for software engineers. He got trained, and he tried as hard as possible to get the job and then did. He said it’s better to actually major in computer science or engineering rather than to take the big risk of no college education. He said getting the first job was like “It’s either I get this job and then can work as a software engineer with the credibility of the job, or I will never get to work as a software engineer again.”
As a CS student that’s graduating in 2 weeks time. Please do not underestimate this major, that’s the mistake I saw a lot of people make leaving them to drop out. It’s literally got the highest dropout rate of any other degree If you’re going to be embarking on this particular journey pay attention & always do things early, you usually learn that you started just in time 😂. Just please go in informed & prepared : my run wasn’t the cleanest but from the other side of the bridge all I can do is let you know “easy” will not be available
I have a mechanical engineering degree but my job is pretty much just pure coding XD. I should have studied software engineering because I like it a lot better. To me it just feels like a puzzle game that I get paid for. I absolutely hate fluids dynamics and thermodynamics because of all the equations and math involved. I do some mechanical stuff sometimes but mostly it’s just developing algorithms, measurement software, and GUIs. I like how you can easily just create something using your keyboard. I even automated some stuff in my home so I can just control it from an app on my phone from anywhere in the world. Before I hated coding because I didn’t understand it at all but the more I learned about it the easier it became and more resourceful I got. I remember it once taking me an entire day to get one single line of code working when I originally started and it was so painfully frustrating. Now I can finish what my boss gives me a week to do in just a few hours most of the time.
@@daboss6614 Update: I couldn't get into Compsci as my number of credit exceeded the credit window. I chose electrical engineering. I think this one is great too.
I’m in the tech space, although I didn’t do a CS degree. I did an engineering degree and got a 2.7 undergrad gpa. My engineering field had very low job demand and it was impossible to enter without a PhD. So I was unemployed with a low GPA for nearly a year. I worked my ass off to learn CS skills. I taught myself everything with online free classes and projects. Now, I’m a data scientist for a company in Silicon Valley (data science can be entered by any math related grad) and making well over 100k. However, I work remotely from home in a much lower cost of living area (Midwest). Lower taxes than California, but the same salary as the rest of the data scientists there. So yeah I get to work from home in my pajamas making a lot of money. I think that if you really want to do this and want the life that comes with it- work your ass off to become good at CS and math. Anything is possible. The effort is well worth it in the end. A CS degree helps, but if you didn’t get one and want a CS job, you can definitely pivot. On the idea of outsourcing- it won’t really happen to you if you’re decent. The best CS minds are located in first world countries at the moment. Companies generally outsource only if they can’t really afford a good CS person or can’t afford one.
Trevor Miller thanks a lot for sharing an insightful comment. I really appreciate sensible comments such as yours. Please check out my other videos and leave a comment. Cheers! =)
Well majority of tech jobs are outsourced to H1B visa or OPT visa people , they work for cheap . You will notice it on ur floor . Most tech jobs don’t have permanent jobs , they give IT staffing companies to hire people as consultants and the money trickles down to the worker or consultant. In the future or what is happening currently is many companies are opening branches staring in India Hyderabad for example and hiring resources for peanuts. Trump is trying to stop this but in the end capitalism prevails. It is similar to what has happened to manufacturing
I've done two degrees, one majoring in compsci and pscyhology, the other in marketing and information systems. By far the compsci degree offers the most in terms of flexibility past graudation. You can build your own apps / products, work in essentially whatever industry you want (as pretty much every industry has tech), you're also able to work remotely and have your pick of cities worldwide. You also don't need a degree to get into the industry. I've done a similar video talking about the pros and cons of a CS degree, but this was a good explanation, cheers Shane!
Alpha Nemesis coming from someone with a marketing degree, the entry pay for marketers is pretty low compared to entry pay for comp sci and the entry way for marketers/business degrees is COMPETITIVE its a bit over saturated and computer scientists are much more in demand especially really good developers, my friend dropped out of college but was a self taught developer and talked about how HE was the one who had to train recent comp sci grads yet they were getting a bit of a better starting pay than him.. so at the end of the day just learn the skill and let your skill prove itself
@@nomnom1894 But in most of the countries Marketing or any other business majors earns more more than comp sci majors.. plus in Asia there's high unemployment of software engineers. But business majors are always high in demand around the world because every organization needs marketing or any other type of managers but not every organization needs software engineers or any other engineer. Yes skills are really important to enhance in any field but business majors are high in demand and earns more.
Your channel is helping me. I’m 34 years old trying to figure out what to do with my life. I got my associate in arts degree but I’m thinking of getting a bachelors in finance or theater. I’m now pondering computer science as well. I definitely don’t want to waste money on a worthless degree. College is hard lol.
That’s your problem. You’re getting degrees in useless fields. I would’ve done an associates degree in a STEM field or in air traffic control. And definitely don’t major in theatre if you want to be stuck in a low paying dead end job.
Comp E is where it's at. Very easy to break into the tech field with the coding you learn in the degree but also protected against outsourcing because the EE skills you learn aren't just something anyone can pick up.
I’m a junior at high school I wanna focus on my future I’m not gonna listen to these bozo’s saying college isn’t worth it and I came across your channel. Ima be binge watching this for a while lol. I’m thinking of and my family recommended me to major in comp sci, I’m not the best at math but I am dedicated to get the check
@@galaxygkm4696 Comp sci isn't just math, sure you could spend some time and improve your math but I would say that learning a programming language in high school is much more useful and doesn't take that much math. I would recommend python as a great beginner language that is universally useful to know.
@@hj2479 yeah ik programming is not just math good thing I have a computer science elective available at my hs might consider taking it also I’ll probably look more into coding as well
I’ve never been really good at math, Ive always gave up on math. I’m currently in the Navy as an active duty member and I don’t plan on retiring in the Navy. I want to challenge myself. I also want to prove to myself that I can achieve something that others like myself don’t usually achieve. Not for bragging rights, but to break down the barriers of being a black women in Tech, there is about only 3% of black women in the Computer Tech field. Could someone please give me some advice? I would really appreciate it. ❤️
Race really isnt a problem in the tech industry infact its quite the contrary. I will agree that there arent a lot of females in this field but thats just a preconcieved preference of women not being interested in stem subjects just like how men arent that interested in nursing. Its not that women dont achieve but rather they dont want to achieve.
The most important thing is do you still find math interesting and like it.Even if you are not good at it you can become good at it if you try and practise. Well i dont like math and my skills are average but if i also like playing piano but im not good at it as well and i can learn it to do it if i train myself.
Absolutely, the people that are telling no, are hurting you. They already know how difficult it is. Especially if you are at a disadvantage.. just be ready to work
I’m so excited I will be majoring in CS next spring 😲 I was a psych major and will be getting my associates (I thought helping people was what I wanted to do) however I’m an introvert, not a people person and I work for amazon and help with the website, I love it. I know that a degree will help me in terms of job opportunities.
Hi cassandra I’m literally in the same boat as you, this semester I was supposed to get my associates in psych but did a bit of self reflection. I’m taking my first cs class this moment. How’s it going for you ?
Ageism is definitely a factor in the IT field. I got my degree in CS and worked for 20 years as a developer, but now my skills are obsolete and I can't even get a job doing tech support. I am currently in school studying for a nursing degree.
don't be a little bitch, go into management, you clearly have tech experience from working 20+years, and I am sure managing a group of developers will make you more money.
I really love all your videos. And you are THE ONLY UA-camr who actually reply to everyone's comments. Thanks for the great content and I really learnt a lot from you. And I clicked the subscribe button the moment I finished your first video. Keep up your good work and I will always support you!
Hey man, absolutely loved this video. Your personality and presentation with a dose of honesty. I appreciate it and keep doing what you love, or start doing it. Keep up the great work and wish you well.
Definitely! If there is one thing I am continuing to force myself to learn it's computer science. With the movement of the market to where it is today, computer science is crucial for pretty much every job. And for the jobs that don't require it, being able to involve it into that job will only push you ahead of the competition!
With CS you can jump in many disciplines like Data Analitics, Cybersecurity, AI, Machine Language, Geographic Information Systems (GIS), and more because of the programming background. In my case I getting a MS in Cybersecurity and I want be a more hacker than developer because that takes more skill and more demand than software. Very hard to outsource the job.
Never got the CS degree, I never even finished college. I switched majors twice and was racking up debt some dropped out. I ended up teaching myself CS and finance on my own. As someone who is a self starter and an entrepreneur this was the better option for me.
@@notme2Well you'd be wrong. Doing fine thanks for asking (Better than fine actually). Like I said it was the best option for me. Managed to take a good chunk out of my debt. At the rate it will be gone in 2 years and I have $45,000 of it. University was a waste of time and money. I should have dropped sooner honestly. Most people don't even end up working in their feilds anyway. That's what you get when send young people straight to school with no real clue what they're doing. P.S It's like you ignored the fact that i taught myself what i wanted to learn.
I'm a CS major but dropping out, I love coding and am good at it but that's like becoming a camera engineer/designer because you're into photography. For computer science you have to be able to think abstractly and be fairly creative, while applying that abstract thinking to a structured framework. + You gotta be willing to put in tons of work. Best of luck to yall
@@soIatido honestly, I regret dropping out. I signed back back up and am starting again this Monday since thankfully I didn't absolutely burn that bridge. Looking back I really wasn't in the right headspace, but hopefully now I am. It's worth it to just finish the degree imo EVEN if I don't end up using it down the line it's a damn good thing to have.
8:20 I am from Egypt and yup, plenty of companies are outsourcing here. I do think outsourcing will increase because more and more people in my country are learning English.
The worth of a computer science degree is in the mind of the hiring manager. I asked my daughter, who has a computer science degree from UW, if should could have learned it all online. She said “Yes.”
Yuran Abdul Thanks! I really appreciate that brother.. But always remember to leave 80% for your own judgement. I am just here to inform and guide, I can just be the other 20%. Cheers! =)
Thank you very much for the whole work you've done on your chanel! It's a tremendeous help for those who aren't certain of what they want to do for a living. Very qualitative content.
As a 44 yr old I was looking into CS, but hearing about ageism it gives me pause if I really want to pursue it. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ it would suck to get the degree but then not being able to get a job because I’m considered too old! One of the main reasons I liked CS was because of getting a job working remotely. I have some thinking to do. Great video by the way very informative.
Thank you so much for this! Some people say that it’s a useless degree and there are some that are saying it’s one of the best. I’m definitely going for the degree now after watching. =)
The problem with a compsi degree is that it becomes obsolete very quickly. You still need to learn new languages regardless of age. The only people who care about the degree is the moron in recruiting. The hiring managers care about the skill. If your skills are outdated, there are so many resources to learn new coding languages. I have older friends who are learning to code and are getting jobs. You need a portfolio of personal projects to prove out what you can do.
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS Hopefully UBC in the future but I am in grade 11 and hopefully will be able to attend UofS for the summer if some how the coronavirus dies down.
I had the opposite experience. I went to a bootcamp, got a job. They hired two other people with cs degrees, then fired them and hired 2 more people from the bootcamp I went to.
You said that there is a "small" possibility that the software-related jobs may be outsourced to other countries. Well, actually it looks like MOST jobs are already being outsourced. For example, I speak Russian, and when I watched CS videos in Russian, the main theme there is that all the work of Ukranian and Russian web devs comes from the Western companies, for that reason too the main advice for web devs and other such specialists over there is to learn English as it becomes the number one job requirement with all the outsourced work. (And I would imagine the situation is similar in places like India). In order to get away with outsourcing, many western companies create these job postings with absolitely unrealistic job descriptions, where a jr dev is expected to have the expertise of a whole IT department, so that the company can then claim that they were unable to find qualified local candidates. (You will see many such job descriptions if you go on any job search site like Indeed.) The companies are prepared to do anything to be able to outsource their work, because the amount of money that they save in this way is enormous: the salary that they pay Russian or Ukranian senior, experienced web devs is around $600 a month (and it is considered good money over there), whereas if they had to hire a local Sr web dev they would have to pay him/her $10000; that's a different order of magnitude entirely. I know a number of graduates of computer programming and related programs and they had great difficulty finding work here in North America. The reason I know all that in the first place is because I myself seriously considered this career, and had this naïve idea that if, as a jr dev I'd be unable to find work in North America, I could get some experience in Eastern Europe first, well, as it turns out, for the reasons mentioned above, over there there is NO market for jr devs at all, only sr devs working for minimal wage for western companies and here there is also limited market because of outsourcing. When it comes to businesses and huge savings for them, all the work that CAN be outsourced WILL be outsourced. The only companies that will not do this are the ones that are legally not allowed to (yet), and here in Canada these are the Government of Canada jobs, and indeed all the people I know who were able to find local software-related work in the end found it at the government organizations only. I wish the outlook presented in your video was more accurate than my own, but unfortunately, the reality doesn't seem to be so bright. All this insane growth means more minimal-wage openings for workers in India, Ukraine and other countries, not for local job seekers. I think I will have to stick with nursing, which is my first education, even though I am an intellectual by nature and dislike this type of work, but at least it cannot be outsourced. 😥 P.S. I noticed that all the jolly, exhilarated comments are coming from the young CS-degree students who haven't even finished their degree, apparently watching this video as motivation to keep studying, full of happy expectations of a six figure income right after school. Would be interesting to see the comments of the same people a few months into their job search phase.
I’m speaking from my point now …… the CS students in college now like myself are the unlucky ones in the slump of poor demand for new entry level software engineers . Tens of thousands of experienced software engineers have been laid off …. And the market is now flooded with people with experience under their belt so it’s a lot harder to score a internship or a entry level job now …. Me and some classmates have each sent over 60 at the very least of applications none have gotten a awnser back
All he really talked about was the Job Market in IT. Hardly a useful determining factor regarding the worth of a degree alone. You dont have to be a child prodigy to get into IT, and a CS Degree is hardly the only recognized qualification available. Not to mention some of the biggest names in the IT industry were all college dropouts. Let that sink in.
On the conversation of coding bootcamps vs CS degree program, I can speak confidently about the CS program and only about what I hear about bootcamps. CS program: - Gives you a foundation in algorithms (trees, graphs, dynamic programming, linear programming, etc). - helps you to learn some lower level math courses like calculus and linear algebra, and an intro to statistics. - gives you a chance to take courses in AI, Machine/Deep Learning, Security, Distributed System Design, Operating Systems, Computer Architecture, etc. Coding bootcamp: - prepares you for a specific programming career track (web dev, full-stack). - has you learn the most current industry practices and cutting-edge tech and languages. Why you would choose one over the other: I'm graduating in April with my Bachelors in CS and can say that if you want to go into any deep CS field (see list above), the university can help you get there. If you don't care about that stuff and are more passionate about web dev or full-stack programming, then you should probably consider the bootcamps. For some, the choice is a matter of pride. Some people don't want to be "code monkeys" and would prefer to have the word "Engineer" in their job title and believe the university will ensure that. Though that could be a totally false assumption and bootcampers do get "Engineer" in their title and can achieve lead positions such as making decisions on software design. Would love to hear anybody who did a bootcamp comment on that.
What if your interested in mobile and web development and not the rest of the stuff that you mentioned and with Bootcamps being too short for you. What would you recommend in this situation?
@@pasqualerossi6052 What do you mean by bootcamps being too short? Do you mean to say "too little time to learn in"? Yeah, I hear bootcamps are challenging for that reason. You could start off teaching yourself the basics at your own pace using UA-cam tutorials, or purchasing courses on Udemy, Pluralsight, Codecademy, etc. Teach yourself the object-oriented programming (OOP) basics (e.g. variable types, functions, conditionals, classes, polymorphism, etc.) with one language (Python is good to start with because it's more human-readable and has great documentation). Now that you have the OOP basics, teach yourself how to use another language (for mobile it can be Java or Swift, for web JavaScript or TypeScript). Part of learning a language is learning how to use an Integrated Development Environment (IDE) built for development with that language. IDEs handle all the work of compiling and are very helpful for guiding you in proper syntax and debugging. A popular IDE right now is Visual Studio Code--it's lightweight and can run projects for more than one language. For Python, PyCharm is the IDE I use. I'd say once you've got those basics down, you can consider giving a bootcamp a try. I believe they'll start off with the OOP basics and then progress to meatier tasks (client-server architecture, network programming, agile methodologies, UI, etc) and teach you how to use other programming languages and databases.
Hey Shane would you do a science major tier list? I feel like it's an area that's kind of overshadowed by the other STEM fields and would be a good idea to look into. Also awesome video by the way keep up the good work!
@@ShaneHummus Hmm I think that biology , physics, and chemistry would probably be the most stable with only a bachelors since these can get you decent jobs right after school (ones with a salary about 50k). I haven't heard as many good outcomes with people only having a B.S. in psych or anthropology , etc... But I really can't say anything for sure on this except for myself with a B.S. in Physics the job market was kind of hit or miss. Going to Grad School afterwards seemed like the better option for me and I think many science majors went down a similar path. Also generally I think with only a bachelors, most of the sciences would rank under their Engineering counterparts. (Probably like B rank or so) since the gap in pay is pretty big.
im starting college and ive been focusing on getting to this course, hopefully it is actually worth the time. will return to this video after some time to give my experience.
For the people who are reading me. My dream is to study two careers now, I have in mind that they are: 1. Computer Science & Computer Engineering or 2. Computer Science & Economics. Honestly, I would like someone to explain to me what could be the best option and why. Is computer science better than computer engineering? I appreciate your time. Thank you.
I'm 19, I'll be 20 in August, I'm Italian, I'm on my first year studying International Relations, and I even though it's a field I've been interested in for some years of my life (I'm not sure if I'm that passionate about the subject) I don't feel like it's going to bring me anywhere, I'm thinking to move into another city, with a more prestigious university (probably the best public university in the country, and public universities in Italy are excellent) trying to have the same degree but optimising my possibility of having a satisfying job, but I see from some statistics that only 20% of people that come out of aniversity with that degree have a job in which the degree would be relevant (it's a statistic relevant for the whole country though, coming out of the best university would get me a higher probability), and I also see that average pay is like 17400€, that's roughly 20000$ a year, even though again, it's a country-wide statistic where most of the figures come from people that don't actually get into the field and are just regular employees in public and private agencies, and a big chunk of them also has part-time jobs, so not an ideal indicator of what actually getting that degree in the best university and getting in the field would look like, but I'm so uncertain that I'm actually thinking I might trash this first year and try to get a degree that looks more promising, and after trashing everything (medical, law school, economics) except computer science I have this funny idea of trying to get a computer science degree. Fact is, I'm comically bad at math, but in recent years I've become more interested in both math and programming, and I want to learn how to code and be competent in the field, and I thought that perhaps challenging my status quo and actually getting into a more difficult challenge might be stimulating for me (even though international relations is not easy at all), and I don't think I lack the mental ability to learn at least what's needed to get me into a computer science faculty. So I kinda got this idea, am I fucking out of my mind? Am I dreaming about changing faculty because I have three big-boi-thousand-page exams that await me? Perhaps.
@@hecatrice2064 well, if it's an interest you have, you haven't wasted time. After getting the first degree I'm going to consider either getting a master's degree or getting a second degree that it's actually competitive in the job market.
@@hecatrice2064 think about it, because if you plan your career, you like what you do and get a master's degree, International Relations can be a very exciting career path.
@@edvard8449 It just doesn't seem that practical and is so general, that you're basically forced to do a masters. I'm prolly gonna end up with a translation job of some short. I haven't seen many job opportunities requiring the degree.
Calc 2 in the fall, shooting for UF’s Computer Science program following a couple years of self employment as a custom trim carpenter/handyman after deciding I didn’t like nursing 😅 I’m 32 but I loved my python course and I love the analytical challenge of coding, and I actually enjoy calculus. I’m stoked to have finally made a decision. (Im also really tired of being broke!)
@@brianrivera7889 I’m choosing tech over nursing because I didn’t see myself being as analytically challenged by nursing, and nursing leaves little room for creativity. I also don’t like the idea of there being a cap with nursing. I want to help develop innovative products and perhaps develop a service/company of my own someday. The tech industry will better allow for this, by far. :)
@@holyfreakinguacamole oh really yeah I don't know If would handle the intensity of nursing in the context of risking life. And I don't know if because i can't work under a nurse rn cuz of covid
I've worked with computers for nearly 30 years. I didn't get a degree, but was working as a technician, and took a basic class through the local community college, and wrote a scheduling program using basic on the first IBM XT that my company bought. From there I worked up through the ranks, ended up in SCADA (system control and data acquisition) which is a niche field, but good for job security. My US company ended up merging with a UK company that liked outsourcing. Pretty much the entire IT department got outsourced, quite a bit to India, and the only company employees in IT ended up being project managers. Folks with IT skills that supported automation (hands on) ended up keeping their positions. And often, they worked away from headquarters, had more job freedom, which is nice. For hiring, it was over a decade ago that we even considered someone without a degree. We went from hiring out our team level, (outsourced HR), so when we needed someone new, they ran an online job hunt, and we were only allowed to interview folks that made it through the outsourced HR. So, I'd recommend that a degree is a necessity if you want to work for a huge corp. I'd say my job satisfaction is very good, but I love getting down to the bit level, and troubleshooting issues. I don't do as much anymore, but I used to put in super long hours. (base salary, no overtime) As you noted about keeping your skills current, that is a must in the computer industry. You have to put in lots of your own time learning new skills if you want to stay relevant. Not bad if you like constantly learning new skills, but if not, probably not the area for you.
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Comp Sci is so overrated. Prepare to do a bunch of internships and dedicate massive amounts of time and effort for single interviews at no name companies. Comp sci is literally like every other degree; it’s just that it’s more likely in this field for somebody to land a unicorn job. DO NOT think that a comp sci degree alone will carry you; that’s a common thing I see.
I’m in louisiana making 150k+/year as an process operator in a plant but i just really don’t like it anymore with the 12 hour shifts and rotating days/nights and I’ve been looking into CS and plan to make a career change id like to work at home lol
Lifetime learning and possibly overtime and on call... That is job as software engineer Same as ur current job.. Work from home depends on location and you will get paid depending on ur location which could be less than what you currently earn!
Bout to finish my first semester in computer science(I mean if I can finish my exams which isn't likely) and now I hate anything that has to do with programing, web design, engineering and all of the sorts I never thought I'd hate programming this much and everyone talking highly about it on TV and stuff and how it's so demanded with good pay doesn't help with my case of wanting to drop out and leve this crap for good so I don't accociate these words with hate anymore
What I could advise you is for any dry ressource your proff teach you , try to find an alternative for the same course here on youtube , for CS you will most likely find a ressource that cover this topic and it would be do with such ease that maybe you would like that , I use to hate Math but now I'm thinking about pursuing a Master in Applied Math/Quantitative Finance(I get a Bachelor in Economics) just due to me watching Proff Leonard , Khan Academy and 3Blue1Down Math content here on youtube , I'm sure you can do it , keep going.
@@ivoriankoua3916 this is true Bad university teachers or badly designed curriculum or extremely tough syllabus just at the beggineR level makes u feel suicidal coz u can't understand the concepts that u liked before and had this notion
I got my computer science BS degree in 2018. The money is real, but you earn it if you actually do the work. The same work ethic that powers you through the difficult process of learning CS is the same work ethic you have to bring to the team. Or, you will be fired.
High paying computer software jobs means you are always keeping up with new software, so you are not just doing your job you are also studying a lot on your own time. This is similar to a Doctor who is paid a lot is also studying so much on his/her own time (time that could be put into say spending time with your family or investing on the stock market on your own on the side). Computer science doesn't have much places you can work compared to doctor but you don't have debt from medical school. With computer programmers, for the good jobs you are limited to locations with a high cost of living so it levels off how much money you actually have. Lower paying computer science jobs pay about as much as Nurses or Clinical Laboratory Scientists but do less meaningful work (making people lose their jobs for the sake of automation/the economy instead of saving people's lives, I think saving people's lives is more impactful than growing the economy which will always have the rich and poor), stuck sitting all day in a cubicle, and are geographically stuck. If you want more money, you can try starting a brokerage account and invest in the stock market.
As a computer science graduate with 15 years of experience, I can tell two things: First you don't get 100K in your first few years. Unless you're working in a unicorn company that gets an IPO and you get a cut, you don't get big money in your first 5 years. The second thing is that a degree matters a lot during your first 5 years of your career. In the university you will meet recruiters looking for talented people. After the 5 years, your experience, hard skills and soft skills matter the most while progressing your career.
Maybe during ur time u don’t get offered 100k since that was a long time ago. Maybe the starting salaries rose and it also kinda depends on the economy right
@@monkeyboyna7511 The "100K" is a number. A figure. The real value is what any figure of money can get you. Can you afford to live on your own, own a (used) car, afford average weekly expenses (eg groceries, clothing and bills) without looking, have some money aside for mild emergencies, afford some personal electronics (consoles, computers, TV, mobile), medical insurance or payback any student loans? If you can afford these with your salary in your first 5 years, then great. 100K in a state can be standard for start and in another you don't see them in 10 years. But the big BIG VERY BIG money in the last 25 years, were for the VERY LUCKY FEW who joined small companies with undesirable salaries, in exchange for options once the company went into an IPO.
Thank you for this video. I am on the fence about this particular degree path. I defintely see a future in it but I have always been TERRIBLE at math. I'm currently and audio engineer and sound designer looking into getting a batchelors in Computer Science and Game Audio. It seems like a logical step for remote work but I have reservations. Does anyone have any experience in that particular field that might be able to give some advice?
I'm a computer science graduate here in the Philippines. And being a computer science here is not as lucrative as what this guy is saying. People here just look at computer science like a crash course of ms word and excel. I'm so frustrated I left my degree and start a new carrier. But now I'm back on the line again. Every country has its different dynamics and approach. So I guess that's that.
I'm considering Computer Science (I'm also from Philippines) and I was afraid of this. This is why I'm planning on earning relentlessly and travel to another country for work.
I was so happy to bump into this path I'm in highschool and I'm very good in AP maths and computers this made me so happy 😂. I am passionate about this job .
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@@paulomolina4723 that's the way aha aha
@@ShaneHummus can you piz do a video about nursing. is nursing worth in USA . I'm willing to study in USA by the way I'm international student
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As a computer science major who will soon be working in NYC as a software engineer, I agree with many of the points in this video. My first-year salary will exceed $100k after only a bachelor's degree. Although this is due to a combination of several internships done during college, the cost of living in New York, and sheer luck and blessings, many of my peers are also finding roles with great compensation.
if any high schoolers, college students, or even people out of school are considering learning how to code, I strongly urge you all to make the leap.
@Tobi The Great a comment worth pinning. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts on this. What you said here will fuel our comp sci students to stay inspired and keep the fire burning. One question though. What uni did you attend? If you could share tips as well I would greatly appreciate that. Cheers!
@@ShaneHummus Definitely, thanks for responding! I went to Williams College, a small liberal arts school. Although considered elite, it wasn't known for Computer Science so I had to hustle for a lot of internships and opportunities. I enjoy regularly watching your videos, especially because it makes us viewers really think about the financial value of our majors, and how much of our tuition costs we could reasonably expect to recoup. I try to get as many of my friends and younger family to consume content like this.
As for tips, I would say to get engaged in communities where people discuss software engineering and the tech industry. For me, it was Reddit and watching tech UA-camrs. But for other people, it could also be social events like tech meetups or hackathons. Also, learning CS fundamentals and algorithms in popular books such as Cracking the Coding Interview is near-essential for success in attaining software engineering jobs. Especially the high-paying ones.
And lastly, for any of your tech/computer science-oriented viewers, I have a UA-camr channel where I talk about the tech world in lots more depth. Sorry for the shameless plug! Happy to answer any more questions here though.
No worries brother. I dont mind.. I even subbed you.. And thanks for sharing all those valuable information.. Cheers!
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So your degree was essentially secondary to your luck and internships. Doesn’t make it seem worth it
Short answer: Yes.
Travon Bazil BIG YES!
Ultra yes
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS thank you. Literally today I was thinking about changing my major to a astronomer but now I changed my mind
i was about to post this exact same comment
Thank you bro lol
Short answer: yes.
Graduated with one in December 2018. Now I make 80K at my job as a Full Stack Engineer. The best strategy is the degree and an internship or paid work to get a job. It was well worth it.
Do recommend taking computer science with something else. Also what resources do you recommend to expose yourself to computer science. I’m only a sophomore in high school and have no experience whatsoever. But I think I may want to major in computer science in college.
What university did you go to please?
@@jaysonemile6633 taking Computer Science with Business would be great honestly. It gives you flexibility and can fast track you into manager roles. Mathematics is good if you want to get into Data Analytics as well.
There are literally countless resources to get exposed to computer science. One of the best is tutorialspoint for learning a computer language or w3 schools for web design.
But the best question is to determine WHAT software engineering field are you interested in getting into. Mobile development? Web Development? Data Analytics? There are a bunch of different computer science fields to get into.
@@imanekandili9740 University of Wisconsin-Parkside
@@anthonycoleman2229 thank you
One of my classmates from college was a former software developer.
He managed to break into the field without a CS degree but the company he worked for
had to downsize. They decided to lay off all employees who didn't have a 4-year degree.
It's an anecdotal example but having a degree in CS or a related field is a good
investment for increased job security within such a volatile field of work.
Zebachi couldn't agree more.. That's why I always say having a degree is always better than not having one.
Thanks for leaving a sensible comment, please check out my other videos and let me know your thoughts on them. Cheers!
He can probably put that experience on his resume and easily get another job though, right?
@@shivsoni1281 It's a bit complicated. He would probably be able to get another job in software development. However, I do not know what the overall quality of this job would be. One of the reasons why software developers (in general) get paid a lot is due to a very high demand and a relatively low supply of qualified people. A developer who is not satisfied with their pay or work conditions can quit and easily find someone who is willing to give them the pay/conditions that they want. This puts a good deal of bargaining power in the hands of developers/engineers/etc., as opposed to the companies as a whole. However, many of those good paying jobs require that candidates hold a BS or MS, so developers who lack one of these degrees will also lose a significant amount of bargaining power as compared to someone with one of those degrees.
News articles always say that you don't need a degree, but I don't buy it.
@@michaeln.2383 Same. Totally think most people need a degree nowadays.
Doing my cs degree right now. Not gonna lie, it sure ain't easy but it's definitely something I love doing!
Stay the course, it will all be worth it. Good luck bro
Yoh! what an encouragement
@kieron People says that if u love solving hard math without any help. U should choose cse . Bt is it possible as a 9th grade student I'm solving hard math without any help. And I'm not like that so brilliant student. Bt I know I'm a good student. Always Rankin between (1-10) . Bt is cse is like that.........
School is more fun than the job trust me.
I really like the programming aspect of computer science but boy do I despise math.
It's been 4 years since graduating with my computer engineering degree. Pay is amazing. Benefits are amazing. Flexibility is amazing. The projects are (usually) interesting. There are so many openings in computing. There are so many business opportunities as well. It's absolutely insane! I think companies are really, really desperate for talent right now. I got lucky ending up in Silicon Valley but there is no doubt in my mind that the degree is extremely lucrative anywhere in the developed world. At my university, computer engineering was 85% computer science, 15% electrical/electronics engineering. It's functionally equivalent to computer science as far as the industry is concerned. I chose to take robotics electives in school but don't actually use those skills in my job. I'm just a standard software developer/engineer. Haha.
I have a friend who went the boot camp route and struggled a lot in the field, being the first target during layoffs and having to learn A TON of stuff that boot camps just don't cover. With some tutoring and some years of on-the-job training he is doing OK now, too. I'd definitely recommend the degree route as it lays the complete foundation and gives you the flexibility to learn about some of the more advanced specializations like machine learning, artificial intelligence, programming languages, computer graphics, game development, distributed systems, and more in a controlled learning environment with ample timing before jumping straight into the subset of the industry you're interested in.
@M.V Brown I'm a bit biased towards CS. I did have a few classmates that double majored in CS and some math majors (Applied Mathematics or similar IIRC). I think there's significant overlap, but the job outlook for CS seems so much better from what I can tell.
If you're into computers or tech in any way (websites, apps, robotics, video games), I'd say go with CS hands down. If you are more of a number cruncher (actuary, statistician, big data analysis, etc.), I'd say stick with mathematics and learn enough CS skills on the side (R, Python, Matlab, etc.) to stand out.
@M.V Brown I think that makes a lot of sense. I imagine you'd have a lot of flexibility in tech and also be in the running for more analyst-type jobs with that major-minor setup. Best of luck to you!
I always stress to people that a CS degree is not easy. Since you like math, you'll probably be fine. CS in and of itself is more about discrete math (logic, set theory, graphs) than anything else. In you're a really math-y person, there are great subcategories of CS to go into like graphics, simulations, and machine learning. For example, in my junior year of college, I was taking vector calculus and working part-time for a research group that was making 3D ship simulation software for the Navy. While not realizing the connection at first glance, I found that I would learn about some vector math in class and be able to apply that math to add features to the custom 3D graphics engine we were making another day. That class had immediate payoff for me. I'd imagine, in practice, cases like this are few and far between though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Wow.. thanks for sharing this.. worth a read for tech majors
Do you think getting a BA in CS vs a BS in CS is that big of a difference to employers?
@@cruiserx5492 I imagine it doesn't matter much in the job hunt. I'd argue the school you went to would count more for or against you than BA vs. BS. I've heard having a BA may affect compensation, but the examples I've seen are fairly minor and few in number. When viewing resumes, I hardly pay attention to whether it's a BA, BS, BE, etc. and I would never bring it up in an interview even if I did. Most of my questions would be focused on areas of strength and expertise followed by sheer ability to solve problems as determined by a coding/whiteboard interview.
I'd probably be most concerned about ensuring the skill set you'd pick up with a BA is practical and applies to the parts of the industry you want to target when you graduate. I imagine with a BA, you'd have the opportunity to pursue the arts a bit more which would be amazing for more the more creative parts of computing like game development, computer graphics, etc.
I'm a Computer Science major and a few months away for graduation. Your videos have helped me out. Great job keep it up!!
alexander Velasquez awesome! Let me give you an advance greeting. Congratz! Cheers to you =)
@@kitrodriguez992 should I go into this if I can’t type?
@@zixzizia1066 type? You mean code?
@@mrborat2493 no. I mean type. I letter hunt when I type as opposed to doing it the right way!
Did you graduate man? Did you land a job? How is it? Please update us !!!
We need these types of videos in veterinary and nursing degrees, there are so many misconceptions about the two fields your help and expertise would be great
Jaskaran Khurana hey! thanks for being here. Definitely making a video on that. Stay tuned for it =)
Veterinary sucks! You need to be a genius to get into vet school and then you graduate to work in a factory farm.
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I was going to study veterinarian your whole bachelor’s degree is worth nothing you get paid like 20 thousand a year normally unless you get to veterinarian it’s only worth it if your getting to the highest point which veterinarian
Now i’m going to study computer science with a masters in cyber security
Thanks man. This reassured me that even if my entrepreneurial ventures go to shit, my CS degree is a good safety net.
Zach Weiss you got a good fall back bro.. Plan things out and don't be afraid to switch plans if the need to do so arises. With volatility comes opportunity. Good luck =)
What type of shit?
@@huey1153 horse
You’ll still need to keep your skills fresh. If you can’t show you have the skill to work on the company’s systems and cannot pass the interview questions, you’ll still struggle.
You could fail with your business ventures. However, if you're really interested in being an entrepreneur you'd try again.
One of the biggest cons when it comes to getting a computer science degree that you mentioned at the end but wasn't specifically part of the Cons list: It's hard as FUCK. If you struggle with math at all you better be prepared to work your ass off and be very ready for the real possibility that you're just not going to be able to complete it because it's too hard for you.
Also a lot of people think that Computer Science is the same as software development, but it's not. So you really have to research and make sure you know what exactly it is before you decide to get a degree in it vs. teaching yourself programming and whatnot.
Also ALSO it never ends. You constantly have to keep up with new technologies or languages that are getting developed all the time and it's basically a continuous learning process for the rest of your professional life or risk falling behind and getting canned, so if you're not interested enough to really love it in college there's a very real chance you'll get burned out. And I'm not being one of those guys that says "Don't do it unless you wanna dedicate your life to it or you'll never make it," but at the same time you really have to be okay with the fact that it's not a "learn in school then just go do it and never have to study again" type of career.
Thank you
@@yalancyjunior3320 Yeah, software development is not the same as CPU science. Not by a long shot. There's very basic math involved with software engineering. All the Calculus and Linear Algebra or Differential Equations classes aren't really needed in software engineering. Unless you're working with a lot of numbers and complex logic like algorithms. There's more math in cyber security and Info technology sectors.
Here's another con: CS is not an easy degree to get. I'm currently a graduate student in computer science and I also teach freshman computer science courses (I'm a teaching assistant so I teach labs, professors give lectures), and from what I've seen, at least 40% of the freshmen entering computer science will be weeded out by the end of the year. Or as Tren Black would say: business by christmas. Also very important: contrary to what a lot of people think, CS is NOT software engineering. You're not just going to be writing code all the time, you're going to have to study algorithms, data structures, formal methods, discrete math, computer architecture, etc. If you don't like math and you're not good at math, you better buckle up and start reviewing or you too will be "business by Christmas".
minh quan Do very nice and practical advice. Completely agree with what you said here. If CS was easy then everyone could go for it that easy.. But it is difficult and will challenge your math skills. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.. Cheers to that buddy!
Things like fluids dynamics and thermodynamics is what is keeping me away from deciding between CS and mechanical engineering or even pure physics. I love physics (mechanics the most) and continuous math more than discrete mathematics, although I could learn discrete mathematics probably faster than most people but I feel sad for giving away a big part of physics if I do decide to go for a CS degree (but even though I like and I'm doing well at math, discrete mathematics is the least interesting to me and maybe even the hardest branch, I enjoy calculus and algebra more) . Currently I am in high school learning how to code through Harvard's CS50 and I thought about maybe doing things like robotics or mechatronics but I'm not sure yet. I have 2 more years until college and I will try to do as much things as I can to see what I like more and the other way around (maybe I don't like coding as much as I think but I can't remember a time when I was more excited than when I started coding 1 year ago). For now I will continue to learn coding and last week I started to prepare for a physics competition which begins 6 months from now so I will see how that will go.
So in a CS degree, is it true that there is much more discrete mathematics than continuous maths or no?
How difficult is the math. I am good with math but I need to know what type of mathematics required.
@@blugaledoh2669 The degree I’m looking at has calculus, and discrete math I and II, for example.
I take it in high school so I’ve been thinking about post 18 and honestly I prefer the maths and studying side to the coding weirdly enough
Do finance next please! And maybe the benefits/ drawbacks of getting a masters in finance
Not Your Dad Thanks for your suggestion,
got one in the works.. Stay tuned for it.. =)
I got a 2 year Computer science degree from a Community college. It cost me 14,000. Now I make 80k a year.
That's great
Bullshit on what? My degree cost or my salary?
@@beachwave5705 I know. I have an associates in Computer Science
What do you do for work?
Did you have to get an internship to get a job?
Just finished an ap computer science exam. Great timing!!😂😂
Ryan Glasheen
you must be electrified by this video, Now don't forget to like it haha.. Keep that fire burning and good luck with your chosen path Ryan. Cheers to you buddy!
I was already intending to study finance when I go to college anyways ,,,
@Jake Garcia probably finance it gets great pay and isn't painfully hard and mentally exhausting like computer science
@@ryanglasheen6150 don't need to put down computer science. Obviously fiance is more of your passion, and that's totally okay. I personally find passion in computer science.
same but i failed mine
The career counselor and instructors at the university that I attended used to say that there was a shortage of programmers and that jobs were falling out of the sky and that all students would find a job. When I would talk to graduates, most students never found a job and the job market was saturated. Graduate school was full of students all waiting for their big break.
Thanks for your input
My dad has a long story about getting into computer engineering with only a degree in finance. He says that at the time it was out of luck because there were some companies around where he lived which had a high demand for software engineers. He got trained, and he tried as hard as possible to get the job and then did. He said it’s better to actually major in computer science or engineering rather than to take the big risk of no college education. He said getting the first job was like “It’s either I get this job and then can work as a software engineer with the credibility of the job, or I will never get to work as a software engineer again.”
The amount of smoke sizzling from my brains in Calculus is proof enough that CS is worth it.
It is. Cheers!
Starting computer science in exeter in september. I was kinda nervous, this video helped me chillax
Awesome.. Good luck then!
Hey how have you found it so far? I'm in the UK so I'm curious on your experience.
Me too I want to know how is it
how was it
Hey how you doing ?
Thanks for this man, been on the fence about a CS degree. Definitely going for it now.
Best of luck! Let me know how it worked out for you.. Cheers!
How's it going so far?
update?
Update please
Can we get an update
As a CS student that’s graduating in 2 weeks time. Please do not underestimate this major, that’s the mistake I saw a lot of people make leaving them to drop out. It’s literally got the highest dropout rate of any other degree
If you’re going to be embarking on this particular journey pay attention & always do things early, you usually learn that you started just in time 😂. Just please go in informed & prepared : my run wasn’t the cleanest but from the other side of the bridge all I can do is let you know “easy” will not be available
I have a mechanical engineering degree but my job is pretty much just pure coding XD. I should have studied software engineering because I like it a lot better. To me it just feels like a puzzle game that I get paid for.
I absolutely hate fluids dynamics and thermodynamics because of all the equations and math involved. I do some mechanical stuff sometimes but mostly it’s just developing algorithms, measurement software, and GUIs.
I like how you can easily just create something using your keyboard. I even automated some stuff in my home so I can just control it from an app on my phone from anywhere in the world.
Before I hated coding because I didn’t understand it at all but the more I learned about it the easier it became and more resourceful I got. I remember it once taking me an entire day to get one single line of code working when I originally started and it was so painfully frustrating. Now I can finish what my boss gives me a week to do in just a few hours most of the time.
Yes at beginning it is very frustrating but when you get it right Isn't it the best feeling?
@@Conlfc2002 yes indeed!
@The Algorithm here’s an idea, google it. Don’t waste my time asking these stupid questions.
This encouraged me to start a CS degree. I love programming since high school and STEM fields in general, but my parents wanted me to do finance😕
Good! Follow your passion and money will follow you.
Lol im the opposite, i like finance but parents want me to do CS
@I ain't Budoy, I'm Natoy you wanna switch moms?
You made the best choice!, Programming also pays a lot more (usually)
@@daboss6614 Update: I couldn't get into Compsci as my number of credit exceeded the credit window. I chose electrical engineering. I think this one is great too.
I’m in the tech space, although I didn’t do a CS degree. I did an engineering degree and got a 2.7 undergrad gpa. My engineering field had very low job demand and it was impossible to enter without a PhD. So I was unemployed with a low GPA for nearly a year. I worked my ass off to learn CS skills. I taught myself everything with online free classes and projects. Now, I’m a data scientist for a company in Silicon Valley (data science can be entered by any math related grad) and making well over 100k. However, I work remotely from home in a much lower cost of living area (Midwest). Lower taxes than California, but the same salary as the rest of the data scientists there. So yeah I get to work from home in my pajamas making a lot of money. I think that if you really want to do this and want the life that comes with it- work your ass off to become good at CS and math. Anything is possible. The effort is well worth it in the end. A CS degree helps, but if you didn’t get one and want a CS job, you can definitely pivot.
On the idea of outsourcing- it won’t really happen to you if you’re decent. The best CS minds are located in first world countries at the moment. Companies generally outsource only if they can’t really afford a good CS person or can’t afford one.
Trevor Miller thanks a lot for sharing an insightful comment. I really appreciate sensible comments such as yours. Please check out my other videos and leave a comment. Cheers! =)
How can i get a remote job at a really young age
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS I have been watching. Love your content :)
Obi wan Apply to multiple. I applied to over 300 before landing one job. You need to discuss option of remote up front.
Well majority of tech jobs are outsourced to H1B visa or OPT visa people , they work for cheap . You will notice it on ur floor . Most tech jobs don’t have permanent jobs , they give IT staffing companies to hire people as consultants and the money trickles down to the worker or consultant.
In the future or what is happening currently is many companies are opening branches staring in India Hyderabad for example and hiring resources for peanuts. Trump is trying to stop this but in the end capitalism prevails. It is similar to what has happened to manufacturing
I've done two degrees, one majoring in compsci and pscyhology, the other in marketing and information systems. By far the compsci degree offers the most in terms of flexibility past graudation. You can build your own apps / products, work in essentially whatever industry you want (as pretty much every industry has tech), you're also able to work remotely and have your pick of cities worldwide. You also don't need a degree to get into the industry. I've done a similar video talking about the pros and cons of a CS degree, but this was a good explanation, cheers Shane!
Matt Kander wow! thanks for being here buddy. I appreciate your sensible comment on this. Good input. Cheers! =)
You just earned a new subscriber =)
But also every company needs Marketing Managers. For me Business degrees are better than Engineering. Btwn you have both that's great! 💗
Alpha Nemesis coming from someone with a marketing degree, the entry pay for marketers is pretty low compared to entry pay for comp sci and the entry way for marketers/business degrees is COMPETITIVE its a bit over saturated and computer scientists are much more in demand especially really good developers, my friend dropped out of college but was a self taught developer and talked about how HE was the one who had to train recent comp sci grads yet they were getting a bit of a better starting pay than him.. so at the end of the day just learn the skill and let your skill prove itself
@@nomnom1894 But in most of the countries Marketing or any other business majors earns more more than comp sci majors.. plus in Asia there's high unemployment of software engineers. But business majors are always high in demand around the world because every organization needs marketing or any other type of managers but not every organization needs software engineers or any other engineer.
Yes skills are really important to enhance in any field but business majors are high in demand and earns more.
Your channel is helping me. I’m 34 years old trying to figure out what to do with my life. I got my associate in arts degree but I’m thinking of getting a bachelors in finance or theater. I’m now pondering computer science as well. I definitely don’t want to waste money on a worthless degree. College is hard lol.
That’s your problem. You’re getting degrees in useless fields. I would’ve done an associates degree in a STEM field or in air traffic control. And definitely don’t major in theatre if you want to be stuck in a low paying dead end job.
Comp E is where it's at. Very easy to break into the tech field with the coding you learn in the degree but also protected against outsourcing because the EE skills you learn aren't just something anyone can pick up.
Andrew Mayer that is a good point. Thanks for sharing what you know. Cheers!
1.is 3 am
2.i like your videos
3.thanks for giving us hope of CS
foxrootking you got it. Best of luck to you. =)
Lol I am watching at 3:20 am,we get thoughts about our career at this time of the day
6:36 - Personal Note:
• Remote Jobs Will (Usually) Pay Lesser Than Working In Major-Cities For Mega-Corporations Directly.
Cost of living in remote areas is lower aswell though
I’m a junior at high school I wanna focus on my future I’m not gonna listen to these bozo’s saying college isn’t worth it and I came across your channel. Ima be binge watching this for a while lol. I’m thinking of and my family recommended me to major in comp sci, I’m not the best at math but I am dedicated to get the check
I’m also in highschool looking into this major but math isn’t my strongest subject 😅
@@galaxygkm4696 anything can be your strong subject if you study. Math and science isn’t like other subjects it takes more effort
@@OneAndOnlyRoRo true, I say it’s not my strongest subject because I’ve taken AP math and got a low B
@@galaxygkm4696 Comp sci isn't just math, sure you could spend some time and improve your math but I would say that learning a programming language in high school is much more useful and doesn't take that much math. I would recommend python as a great beginner language that is universally useful to know.
@@hj2479 yeah ik programming is not just math good thing I have a computer science elective available at my hs might consider taking it also I’ll probably look more into coding as well
Damn you're working hard, love your computer science videos, giving the video a like😊
Sim Prasad that means a lot. Thanks brother
This entire channel is a lifesaver, thank you
Happy to hear that!
Right ❤️
As a Computer Science major, I greatly appreciate this video. Thank you! ☺️
jackelynarias123 that's awesome! Which uni did you attend? Cheers!
How hard is it? I heard you have to be very good at math
In my country computer engineering is very easy and pays quite well but it's hard to find a job without a masters degree
@@Traumatised311 bullshit. Edit, my bad i didnt notice the “my country”
@@Traumatised311 where r from?
The biggest con of cs degree- it is very hard for some people to understand
Yes! and the challenge there is to stay the course despite the difficulty. Cheers!
it’s mostly memorizing right?
@@markodissey405 no, algorithms and such all require deep and critical thinking and aren't really "if you know one you know them all" material
@@HR-fw1wp i lost my 4.0 gpa due to algorithms
People who may have computer but they no idea: how algorithms and they don’t even know how coding works?
I’ve never been really good at math, Ive always gave up on math. I’m currently in the Navy as an active duty member and I don’t plan on retiring in the Navy. I want to challenge myself. I also want to prove to myself that I can achieve something that others like myself don’t usually achieve. Not for bragging rights, but to break down the barriers of being a black women in Tech, there is about only 3% of black women in the Computer Tech field. Could someone please give me some advice? I would really appreciate it. ❤️
It’s not a barrier, they just aren’t very good at it
Race really isnt a problem in the tech industry infact its quite the contrary. I will agree that there arent a lot of females in this field but thats just a preconcieved preference of women not being interested in stem subjects just like how men arent that interested in nursing. Its not that women dont achieve but rather they dont want to achieve.
There's a youtuber called Adebisi and she's a black woman who makes videos about tech and computer science. Her videos have really helped me out
The most important thing is do you still find math interesting and like it.Even if you are not good at it you can become good at it if you try and practise. Well i dont like math and my skills are average but if i also like playing piano but im not good at it as well and i can learn it to do it if i train myself.
Breath of fresh air. To the point information just does it for me.
Absolutely, the people that are telling no, are hurting you. They already know how difficult it is. Especially if you are at a disadvantage.. just be ready to work
I’m so excited I will be majoring in CS next spring 😲 I was a psych major and will be getting my associates (I thought helping people was what I wanted to do) however I’m an introvert, not a people person and I work for amazon and help with the website, I love it. I know that a degree will help me in terms of job opportunities.
Nice.. Best of luck Cassandra
Congrats!! Are you going to switch in the same school? Which school is it? Thanks!
Hi cassandra I’m literally in the same boat as you, this semester I was supposed to get my associates in psych but did a bit of self reflection. I’m taking my first cs class this moment. How’s it going for you ?
bro same, went from psychology to computer science
Same here lmao
Ageism is definitely a factor in the IT field. I got my degree in CS and worked for 20 years as a developer, but now my skills are obsolete and I can't even get a job doing tech support. I am currently in school studying for a nursing degree.
Well said Al! That's true
This is why saving and investing is so important.
haha, Im a nurse and is thinking about going into computer science.
don't be a little bitch, go into management, you clearly have tech experience from working 20+years, and I am sure managing a group of developers will make you more money.
Why not go to a bootcamp to refresh your skills?
I really love all your videos. And you are THE ONLY UA-camr who actually reply to everyone's comments. Thanks for the great content and I really learnt a lot from you. And I clicked the subscribe button the moment I finished your first video. Keep up your good work and I will always support you!
Glad you like them! I appreciate that nice comment. Stay tuned for more. Cheers!
I love the office references through your videos! 😂 I've been fighting between whether to go for CS or MIS.
literally same, most likely doing cs then an mba afterwards since education is free but im still unsure
Hey man, absolutely loved this video. Your personality and presentation with a dose of honesty. I appreciate it and keep doing what you love, or start doing it. Keep up the great work and wish you well.
I appreciate that! Thanks
Definitely! If there is one thing I am continuing to force myself to learn it's computer science. With the movement of the market to where it is today, computer science is crucial for pretty much every job. And for the jobs that don't require it, being able to involve it into that job will only push you ahead of the competition!
Creative 7 Inc right. Agree with what you said. Expect growth with the next 5 to 10 years.
im thinking either: Computer Science, Law Degree, or MBA
Nursing!
A cs degree and a law degree would go extremely well together.
@@jordankelly4684 I’m considering this combo too. Why do you say that?
man your the greatest you give the best advice and the information I ACTUALLY NEED in the perfect amount of time
Glad I could help
With CS you can jump in many disciplines like Data Analitics, Cybersecurity, AI, Machine Language, Geographic Information Systems (GIS), and more because of the programming background. In my case I getting a MS in Cybersecurity and I want be a more hacker than developer because that takes more skill and more demand than software. Very hard to outsource the job.
Thanks for sharing that
why not take masters in cybersecurity?
You should do a video on a BA vs a BS in computer science.
Never got the CS degree, I never even finished college. I switched majors twice and was racking up debt some dropped out. I ended up teaching myself CS and finance on my own. As someone who is a self starter and an entrepreneur this was the better option for me.
Sounds like you had no direction and fumbled around until you had to drop out. I’m guessing you’re not exactly doing well as an “entrepreneur”
@@notme2Well you'd be wrong. Doing fine thanks for asking (Better than fine actually). Like I said it was the best option for me. Managed to take a good chunk out of my debt. At the rate it will be gone in 2 years and I have $45,000 of it. University was a waste of time and money. I should have dropped sooner honestly.
Most people don't even end up working in their feilds anyway. That's what you get when send young people straight to school with no real clue what they're doing.
P.S It's like you ignored the fact that i taught myself what i wanted to learn.
I'm a CS major but dropping out, I love coding and am good at it but that's like becoming a camera engineer/designer because you're into photography.
For computer science you have to be able to think abstractly and be fairly creative, while applying that abstract thinking to a structured framework. + You gotta be willing to put in tons of work.
Best of luck to yall
How are you doing now? Wish you luck in your career change man
@@soIatido honestly, I regret dropping out. I signed back back up and am starting again this Monday since thankfully I didn't absolutely burn that bridge. Looking back I really wasn't in the right headspace, but hopefully now I am. It's worth it to just finish the degree imo EVEN if I don't end up using it down the line it's a damn good thing to have.
@@fezii9043Best of luck, friend.
8:20 I am from Egypt and yup, plenty of companies are outsourcing here. I do think outsourcing will increase because more and more people in my country are learning English.
Good work!We need more of these videos. Are you going to do a buisness tier list? Looking forwards for that video.
Saimons Mercier thanks! definitely will. That's also one of the most requested videos. Stay tuned for it
The worth of a computer science degree is in the mind of the hiring manager. I asked my daughter, who has a computer science degree from UW, if should could have learned it all online. She said “Yes.”
really appreciate your work i dont know where i would be without you
Yuran Abdul Thanks! I really appreciate that brother.. But always remember to leave 80% for your own judgement. I am just here to inform and guide, I can just be the other 20%. Cheers! =)
Thank you very much for the whole work you've done on your chanel! It's a tremendeous help for those who aren't certain of what they want to do for a living. Very qualitative content.
As a 44 yr old I was looking into CS, but hearing about ageism it gives me pause if I really want to pursue it. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ it would suck to get the degree but then not being able to get a job because I’m considered too old!
One of the main reasons I liked CS was because of getting a job working remotely. I have some thinking to do. Great video by the way very informative.
Good luck bro!
1 more year to get the degree! God bless you. You can do it as well
Awesome!!! Best of luck Jon
@jonBB what u find to be more difficult in this degree??
yeah thats it im teaching myself to code so that when I get to college I will be at least a little prepared
It's very useful
I'm studying geology but in another life and with a special talent I would've loved to study computer science.
I was wanting to study geology when I was in middle school and a freshman in high school.
@@reshaudmiller9908 I guess you’re now a computer science graduate. I wish you great things❤️
@@moyndebs6759 cybersecurity and you have my best luck for geology it's time to elevate.
U can learn in this life
Start learning fr basics
Please make a video comparing physics, engineering, computer science
It's gonna be extremely helpful
Thanks for making this video Shane. Your channel is gonna be huge one day!
Big thanks for leaving such a nice comment. Cheers to you brother!
Thank you so much for this! Some people say that it’s a useless degree and there are some that are saying it’s one of the best. I’m definitely going for the degree now after watching. =)
Maybe one about MS Financial Engineering. Kudos to this channel.
Umang Pahwa gona make that video. Stay tuned =)
I think this man deserves more likes!
The problem with a compsi degree is that it becomes obsolete very quickly. You still need to learn new languages regardless of age. The only people who care about the degree is the moron in recruiting. The hiring managers care about the skill. If your skills are outdated, there are so many resources to learn new coding languages. I have older friends who are learning to code and are getting jobs. You need a portfolio of personal projects to prove out what you can do.
You sound like a slacker that couldn't hack it in college
Basically, the CS degree is a proof of smart and hard working.
Really excited to enter this subject. Might go to university this year for it.
Krio Is awesome that's awesome! I wish you all the luck. Which uni are you looking to attend?
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS Hopefully UBC in the future but I am in grade 11 and hopefully will be able to attend UofS for the summer if some how the coronavirus dies down.
I'm in the process of getting my CS degree...after I attended a coding bootcamp, and felt incompetent af
Awesome choice!
I had the opposite experience. I went to a bootcamp, got a job. They hired two other people with cs degrees, then fired them and hired 2 more people from the bootcamp I went to.
@@montazmeahii6029 wow. Did you already have coding experience before the camp or?
You said that there is a "small" possibility that the software-related jobs may be outsourced to other countries. Well, actually it looks like MOST jobs are already being outsourced. For example, I speak Russian, and when I watched CS videos in Russian, the main theme there is that all the work of Ukranian and Russian web devs comes from the Western companies, for that reason too the main advice for web devs and other such specialists over there is to learn English as it becomes the number one job requirement with all the outsourced work. (And I would imagine the situation is similar in places like India). In order to get away with outsourcing, many western companies create these job postings with absolitely unrealistic job descriptions, where a jr dev is expected to have the expertise of a whole IT department, so that the company can then claim that they were unable to find qualified local candidates. (You will see many such job descriptions if you go on any job search site like Indeed.) The companies are prepared to do anything to be able to outsource their work, because the amount of money that they save in this way is enormous: the salary that they pay Russian or Ukranian senior, experienced web devs is around $600 a month (and it is considered good money over there), whereas if they had to hire a local Sr web dev they would have to pay him/her $10000; that's a different order of magnitude entirely. I know a number of graduates of computer programming and related programs and they had great difficulty finding work here in North America. The reason I know all that in the first place is because I myself seriously considered this career, and had this naïve idea that if, as a jr dev I'd be unable to find work in North America, I could get some experience in Eastern Europe first, well, as it turns out, for the reasons mentioned above, over there there is NO market for jr devs at all, only sr devs working for minimal wage for western companies and here there is also limited market because of outsourcing. When it comes to businesses and huge savings for them, all the work that CAN be outsourced WILL be outsourced. The only companies that will not do this are the ones that are legally not allowed to (yet), and here in Canada these are the Government of Canada jobs, and indeed all the people I know who were able to find local software-related work in the end found it at the government organizations only. I wish the outlook presented in your video was more accurate than my own, but unfortunately, the reality doesn't seem to be so bright. All this insane growth means more minimal-wage openings for workers in India, Ukraine and other countries, not for local job seekers. I think I will have to stick with nursing, which is my first education, even though I am an intellectual by nature and dislike this type of work, but at least it cannot be outsourced. 😥 P.S. I noticed that all the jolly, exhilarated comments are coming from the young CS-degree students who haven't even finished their degree, apparently watching this video as motivation to keep studying, full of happy expectations of a six figure income right after school. Would be interesting to see the comments of the same people a few months into their job search phase.
Thanks for leaving your insights here. I might make a video for this
@@ShaneHummus Thank you for the response! It would be great if you made a video about the outsourcing of tech (and other) jobs!
This was very helpful, thank you✌🏻
Glad to help. Stay safe
I’m speaking from my point now …… the CS students in college now like myself are the unlucky ones in the slump of poor demand for new entry level software engineers . Tens of thousands of experienced software engineers have been laid off …. And the market is now flooded with people with experience under their belt so it’s a lot harder to score a internship or a entry level job now …. Me and some classmates have each sent over 60 at the very least of applications none have gotten a awnser back
I wanted my son to take this.. We did talk about Comp Sci before. Anyway, nice content
Nice! how did the conversation go?
@@ShaneHummus It turned bad and ended up with bloody hands and a dead child... Yikes
Dont force your kid😇
@@collnes5289 is that you dad?
All he really talked about was the Job Market in IT. Hardly a useful determining factor regarding the worth of a degree alone. You dont have to be a child prodigy to get into IT, and a CS Degree is hardly the only recognized qualification available. Not to mention some of the biggest names in the IT industry were all college dropouts. Let that sink in.
Currently working on my BACS while doing a full stack MERN bootcamp in hopes to break in before I finish school. Best of luck to everyone 😁👍👍
On the conversation of coding bootcamps vs CS degree program, I can speak confidently about the CS program and only about what I hear about bootcamps.
CS program:
- Gives you a foundation in algorithms (trees, graphs, dynamic programming, linear programming, etc).
- helps you to learn some lower level math courses like calculus and linear algebra, and an intro to statistics.
- gives you a chance to take courses in AI, Machine/Deep Learning, Security, Distributed System Design, Operating Systems, Computer Architecture, etc.
Coding bootcamp:
- prepares you for a specific programming career track (web dev, full-stack).
- has you learn the most current industry practices and cutting-edge tech and languages.
Why you would choose one over the other:
I'm graduating in April with my Bachelors in CS and can say that if you want to go into any deep CS field (see list above), the university can help you get there. If you don't care about that stuff and are more passionate about web dev or full-stack programming, then you should probably consider the bootcamps.
For some, the choice is a matter of pride. Some people don't want to be "code monkeys" and would prefer to have the word "Engineer" in their job title and believe the university will ensure that. Though that could be a totally false assumption and bootcampers do get "Engineer" in their title and can achieve lead positions such as making decisions on software design. Would love to hear anybody who did a bootcamp comment on that.
What if your interested in mobile and web development and not the rest of the stuff that you mentioned and with Bootcamps being too short for you. What would you recommend in this situation?
Hey Jordan! Thanks for leaving a comment worth reading. Appreciate your insights on this
@@pasqualerossi6052 What do you mean by bootcamps being too short? Do you mean to say "too little time to learn in"? Yeah, I hear bootcamps are challenging for that reason.
You could start off teaching yourself the basics at your own pace using UA-cam tutorials, or purchasing courses on Udemy, Pluralsight, Codecademy, etc. Teach yourself the object-oriented programming (OOP) basics (e.g. variable types, functions, conditionals, classes, polymorphism, etc.) with one language (Python is good to start with because it's more human-readable and has great documentation).
Now that you have the OOP basics, teach yourself how to use another language (for mobile it can be Java or Swift, for web JavaScript or TypeScript).
Part of learning a language is learning how to use an Integrated Development Environment (IDE) built for development with that language. IDEs handle all the work of compiling and are very helpful for guiding you in proper syntax and debugging. A popular IDE right now is Visual Studio Code--it's lightweight and can run projects for more than one language. For Python, PyCharm is the IDE I use.
I'd say once you've got those basics down, you can consider giving a bootcamp a try. I believe they'll start off with the OOP basics and then progress to meatier tasks (client-server architecture, network programming, agile methodologies, UI, etc) and teach you how to use other programming languages and databases.
Hey Shane would you do a science major tier list? I feel like it's an area that's kind of overshadowed by the other STEM fields and would be a good idea to look into. Also awesome video by the way keep up the good work!
Nucle4r Penguins that's a good idea. Thanks for you suggestion buddy. Which science majors do you think will top the list?
@@ShaneHummus Hmm I think that biology , physics, and chemistry would probably be the most stable with only a bachelors since these can get you decent jobs right after school (ones with a salary about 50k). I haven't heard as many good outcomes with people only having a B.S. in psych or anthropology , etc...
But I really can't say anything for sure on this except for myself with a B.S. in Physics the job market was kind of hit or miss. Going to Grad School afterwards seemed like the better option for me and I think many science majors went down a similar path.
Also generally I think with only a bachelors, most of the sciences would rank under their Engineering counterparts. (Probably like B rank or so) since the gap in pay is pretty big.
My cousin majored in Computer Engineering and gotten a job in Austin Texas for $65k. He worked their for a year and moved back to NYC making $120k!
😲😲what was his gpa
What college
im starting college and ive been focusing on getting to this course, hopefully it is actually worth the time. will return to this video after some time to give my experience.
How are you doing so far?
Good luck
How is it so far? Please respond.
so... did u like it?
For the people who are reading me. My dream is to study two careers now, I have in mind that they are: 1. Computer Science & Computer Engineering or 2. Computer Science & Economics. Honestly, I would like someone to explain to me what could be the best option and why. Is computer science better than computer engineering? I appreciate your time. Thank you.
I'm 19, I'll be 20 in August, I'm Italian, I'm on my first year studying International Relations, and I even though it's a field I've been interested in for some years of my life (I'm not sure if I'm that passionate about the subject) I don't feel like it's going to bring me anywhere, I'm thinking to move into another city, with a more prestigious university (probably the best public university in the country, and public universities in Italy are excellent) trying to have the same degree but optimising my possibility of having a satisfying job, but I see from some statistics that only 20% of people that come out of aniversity with that degree have a job in which the degree would be relevant (it's a statistic relevant for the whole country though, coming out of the best university would get me a higher probability), and I also see that average pay is like 17400€, that's roughly 20000$ a year, even though again, it's a country-wide statistic where most of the figures come from people that don't actually get into the field and are just regular employees in public and private agencies, and a big chunk of them also has part-time jobs, so not an ideal indicator of what actually getting that degree in the best university and getting in the field would look like, but I'm so uncertain that I'm actually thinking I might trash this first year and try to get a degree that looks more promising, and after trashing everything (medical, law school, economics) except computer science I have this funny idea of trying to get a computer science degree.
Fact is, I'm comically bad at math, but in recent years I've become more interested in both math and programming, and I want to learn how to code and be competent in the field, and I thought that perhaps challenging my status quo and actually getting into a more difficult challenge might be stimulating for me (even though international relations is not easy at all), and I don't think I lack the mental ability to learn at least what's needed to get me into a computer science faculty. So I kinda got this idea, am I fucking out of my mind? Am I dreaming about changing faculty because I have three big-boi-thousand-page exams that await me? Perhaps.
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I am studying international and European studies in Greece and I'm having the same thoughts, but I think it's too late for me to restart my journey.
@@hecatrice2064 well, if it's an interest you have, you haven't wasted time. After getting the first degree I'm going to consider either getting a master's degree or getting a second degree that it's actually competitive in the job market.
@@hecatrice2064 think about it, because if you plan your career, you like what you do and get a master's degree, International Relations can be a very exciting career path.
@@edvard8449 It just doesn't seem that practical and is so general, that you're basically forced to do a masters. I'm prolly gonna end up with a translation job of some short. I haven't seen many job opportunities requiring the degree.
your video is very educating for me, i love it ! keep up the good work
Thank you! Will do! Cheers!
If I didn't go for culinary I'd probably be a Comp Sci major.
What made you choose culinary by the way?
Calc 2 in the fall, shooting for UF’s Computer Science program following a couple years of self employment as a custom trim carpenter/handyman after deciding I didn’t like nursing 😅 I’m 32 but I loved my python course and I love the analytical challenge of coding, and I actually enjoy calculus. I’m stoked to have finally made a decision. (Im also really tired of being broke!)
What made u quit your rn job? Just wondering im deciding over cs and nursing
Or what was your experiences as a man in nursing is it hard to get a clinic job?
@@brianrivera7889 I’m choosing tech over nursing because I didn’t see myself being as analytically challenged by nursing, and nursing leaves little room for creativity. I also don’t like the idea of there being a cap with nursing. I want to help develop innovative products and perhaps develop a service/company of my own someday. The tech industry will better allow for this, by far. :)
@@brianrivera7889 I was not yet an RN. I was in a nursing program and working in a trauma hospital as a nurses aide.
@@holyfreakinguacamole oh really yeah I don't know If would handle the intensity of nursing in the context of risking life. And I don't know if because i can't work under a nurse rn cuz of covid
Thanks for making these videos they are super helpful I appreciate it
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I've worked with computers for nearly 30 years. I didn't get a degree, but was working as a technician, and took a basic class through the local community college, and wrote a scheduling program using basic on the first IBM XT that my company bought. From there I worked up through the ranks, ended up in SCADA (system control and data acquisition) which is a niche field, but good for job security.
My US company ended up merging with a UK company that liked outsourcing. Pretty much the entire IT department got outsourced, quite a bit to India, and the only company employees in IT ended up being project managers. Folks with IT skills that supported automation (hands on) ended up keeping their positions. And often, they worked away from headquarters, had more job freedom, which is nice.
For hiring, it was over a decade ago that we even considered someone without a degree. We went from hiring out our team level, (outsourced HR), so when we needed someone new, they ran an online job hunt, and we were only allowed to interview folks that made it through the outsourced HR. So, I'd recommend that a degree is a necessity if you want to work for a huge corp.
I'd say my job satisfaction is very good, but I love getting down to the bit level, and troubleshooting issues. I don't do as much anymore, but I used to put in super long hours. (base salary, no overtime)
As you noted about keeping your skills current, that is a must in the computer industry. You have to put in lots of your own time learning new skills if you want to stay relevant. Not bad if you like constantly learning new skills, but if not, probably not the area for you.
Thanks for your input. Cheers!
Currently in highschool here in the Philippines, I've already planned all that I want to do. Wish me luck!
Best of luck!
What college will you study? I'm researching too for good school I still cant find a good one
Since the day I started to work with you, I know I've changed a lot which really helped me to become a better person inside and out. You are one of the reasons why I'm always trying my best. Thank you so much You know I appreciate you so much.
Comp Sci is so overrated. Prepare to do a bunch of internships and dedicate massive amounts of time and effort for single interviews at no name companies. Comp sci is literally like every other degree; it’s just that it’s more likely in this field for somebody to land a unicorn job. DO NOT think that a comp sci degree alone will carry you; that’s a common thing I see.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I respect your views Klown
How do you know ?
He's a comp sci drop out
@@ShaneHummus hahahahha
I’m in louisiana making 150k+/year as an process operator in a plant but i just really don’t like it anymore with the 12 hour shifts and rotating days/nights and I’ve been looking into CS and plan to make a career change id like to work at home lol
Lifetime learning and possibly overtime and on call...
That is job as software engineer
Same as ur current job..
Work from home depends on location and you will get paid depending on ur location which could be less than what you currently earn!
Bout to finish my first semester in computer science(I mean if I can finish my exams which isn't likely) and now I hate anything that has to do with programing, web design, engineering and all of the sorts I never thought I'd hate programming this much and everyone talking highly about it on TV and stuff and how it's so demanded with good pay doesn't help with my case of wanting to drop out and leve this crap for good so I don't accociate these words with hate anymore
Consider human computer interaction of information science
What I could advise you is for any dry ressource your proff teach you , try to find an alternative for the same course here on youtube , for CS you will most likely find a ressource that cover this topic and it would be do with such ease that maybe you would like that , I use to hate Math but now I'm thinking about pursuing a Master in Applied Math/Quantitative Finance(I get a Bachelor in Economics) just due to me watching Proff Leonard , Khan Academy and 3Blue1Down Math content here on youtube , I'm sure you can do it , keep going.
@@ivoriankoua3916 this is true
Bad university teachers or badly designed curriculum or extremely tough syllabus just at the beggineR level makes u feel suicidal coz u can't understand the concepts that u liked before and had this notion
You're a guru of careers! Thanks 😊
I got my computer science BS degree in 2018. The money is real, but you earn it if you actually do the work.
The same work ethic that powers you through the difficult process of learning CS is the same work ethic you have to bring to the team. Or, you will be fired.
You say so, it depends on how technical the job is
High paying computer software jobs means you are always keeping up with new software, so you are not just doing your job you are also studying a lot on your own time. This is similar to a Doctor who is paid a lot is also studying so much on his/her own time (time that could be put into say spending time with your family or investing on the stock market on your own on the side). Computer science doesn't have much places you can work compared to doctor but you don't have debt from medical school. With computer programmers, for the good jobs you are limited to locations with a high cost of living so it levels off how much money you actually have. Lower paying computer science jobs pay about as much as Nurses or Clinical Laboratory Scientists but do less meaningful work (making people lose their jobs for the sake of automation/the economy instead of saving people's lives, I think saving people's lives is more impactful than growing the economy which will always have the rich and poor), stuck sitting all day in a cubicle, and are geographically stuck. If you want more money, you can try starting a brokerage account and invest in the stock market.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
As an international student the cons are prose for me according to you. Thank you nice video
Glad to hear that
Build yourself brother. God bless and good luck.
As a computer science graduate with 15 years of experience, I can tell two things: First you don't get 100K in your first few years. Unless you're working in a unicorn company that gets an IPO and you get a cut, you don't get big money in your first 5 years. The second thing is that a degree matters a lot during your first 5 years of your career. In the university you will meet recruiters looking for talented people. After the 5 years, your experience, hard skills and soft skills matter the most while progressing your career.
Thank you for your input, cheers!
Maybe during ur time u don’t get offered 100k since that was a long time ago. Maybe the starting salaries rose and it also kinda depends on the economy right
@@monkeyboyna7511 The "100K" is a number. A figure. The real value is what any figure of money can get you. Can you afford to live on your own, own a (used) car, afford average weekly expenses (eg groceries, clothing and bills) without looking, have some money aside for mild emergencies, afford some personal electronics (consoles, computers, TV, mobile), medical insurance or payback any student loans? If you can afford these with your salary in your first 5 years, then great. 100K in a state can be standard for start and in another you don't see them in 10 years. But the big BIG VERY BIG money in the last 25 years, were for the VERY LUCKY FEW who joined small companies with undesirable salaries, in exchange for options once the company went into an IPO.
Agreed. Usually money comes in stages.
Thank you for this video. I am on the fence about this particular degree path. I defintely see a future in it but I have always been TERRIBLE at math. I'm currently and audio engineer and sound designer looking into getting a batchelors in Computer Science and Game Audio. It seems like a logical step for remote work but I have reservations. Does anyone have any experience in that particular field that might be able to give some advice?
God be with me during my journey as I get through the course curriculum for this BA degree because I'm already stressing.....
While yes I think CS is a great major, I still believe it's who you know not what you know.
Jackson Welch that's a good point. Thanks for leaving a comment. Hey check out my other videos.. Let me know what you think. Cheers! =)
I'm a computer science graduate here in the Philippines.
And being a computer science here is not as lucrative as what this guy is saying.
People here just look at computer science like a crash course of ms word and excel.
I'm so frustrated I left my degree and start a new carrier. But now I'm back on the line again.
Every country has its different dynamics and approach. So I guess that's that.
I'm considering Computer Science (I'm also from Philippines) and I was afraid of this. This is why I'm planning on earning relentlessly and travel to another country for work.
@@whitebear224 better choose a school that has a good reputation in computer science.
@@muckiemarfe2782 Do you have any recommendations? I'm considering entering Ateneo De Naga (an Ateneo campus in Bicol) or STI.
@@whitebear224 go for STI for budget wise and quality. Ateneo quality is good but the payment is too high
@@muckiemarfe2782 Thank you for the advice!
I was so happy to bump into this path I'm in highschool and I'm very good in AP maths and computers this made me so happy 😂.
I am passionate about this job .
That's a solid path. Good luck 😊
Very Good Video, Stright To The Point