Is a Computer Science Degree Worth It?
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Is a computer science degree worth it?
So this was a video a TON of people requested. It's the first video I'm doing of this type and if it does well then there will be many more to come. Basically in this video we will be going over specific criteria that are very important when it comes to choosing the right major or degree and then ranking them on a scale from 1 to 10, then at the end I'll average all of them out and give you a final score.
I'm trying to be as fair and accurate as possible in these videos, but of course at the end of the day it's just my opinion, so do your own research. I just hope this helps you out a bit.
Enjoy!
~Shane
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@@paulomolina4723 that's the way aha aha
@@ShaneHummus can you piz do a video about nursing. is nursing worth in USA . I'm willing to study in USA by the way I'm international student
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Short answer: Yes.
Travon Bazil BIG YES!
Ultra yes
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS thank you. Literally today I was thinking about changing my major to a astronomer but now I changed my mind
i was about to post this exact same comment
Thank you bro lol
As a computer science major who will soon be working in NYC as a software engineer, I agree with many of the points in this video. My first-year salary will exceed $100k after only a bachelor's degree. Although this is due to a combination of several internships done during college, the cost of living in New York, and sheer luck and blessings, many of my peers are also finding roles with great compensation.
if any high schoolers, college students, or even people out of school are considering learning how to code, I strongly urge you all to make the leap.
@Tobi The Great a comment worth pinning. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts on this. What you said here will fuel our comp sci students to stay inspired and keep the fire burning. One question though. What uni did you attend? If you could share tips as well I would greatly appreciate that. Cheers!
@@ShaneHummus Definitely, thanks for responding! I went to Williams College, a small liberal arts school. Although considered elite, it wasn't known for Computer Science so I had to hustle for a lot of internships and opportunities. I enjoy regularly watching your videos, especially because it makes us viewers really think about the financial value of our majors, and how much of our tuition costs we could reasonably expect to recoup. I try to get as many of my friends and younger family to consume content like this.
As for tips, I would say to get engaged in communities where people discuss software engineering and the tech industry. For me, it was Reddit and watching tech UA-camrs. But for other people, it could also be social events like tech meetups or hackathons. Also, learning CS fundamentals and algorithms in popular books such as Cracking the Coding Interview is near-essential for success in attaining software engineering jobs. Especially the high-paying ones.
And lastly, for any of your tech/computer science-oriented viewers, I have a UA-camr channel where I talk about the tech world in lots more depth. Sorry for the shameless plug! Happy to answer any more questions here though.
No worries brother. I dont mind.. I even subbed you.. And thanks for sharing all those valuable information.. Cheers!
Congratulations, Live the Dream!!!
So your degree was essentially secondary to your luck and internships. Doesn’t make it seem worth it
Doing my cs degree right now. Not gonna lie, it sure ain't easy but it's definitely something I love doing!
Stay the course, it will all be worth it. Good luck bro
Yoh! what an encouragement
@kieron People says that if u love solving hard math without any help. U should choose cse . Bt is it possible as a 9th grade student I'm solving hard math without any help. And I'm not like that so brilliant student. Bt I know I'm a good student. Always Rankin between (1-10) . Bt is cse is like that.........
School is more fun than the job trust me.
I really like the programming aspect of computer science but boy do I despise math.
One of my classmates from college was a former software developer.
He managed to break into the field without a CS degree but the company he worked for
had to downsize. They decided to lay off all employees who didn't have a 4-year degree.
It's an anecdotal example but having a degree in CS or a related field is a good
investment for increased job security within such a volatile field of work.
Zebachi couldn't agree more.. That's why I always say having a degree is always better than not having one.
Thanks for leaving a sensible comment, please check out my other videos and let me know your thoughts on them. Cheers!
He can probably put that experience on his resume and easily get another job though, right?
@@shivsoni1281 It's a bit complicated. He would probably be able to get another job in software development. However, I do not know what the overall quality of this job would be. One of the reasons why software developers (in general) get paid a lot is due to a very high demand and a relatively low supply of qualified people. A developer who is not satisfied with their pay or work conditions can quit and easily find someone who is willing to give them the pay/conditions that they want. This puts a good deal of bargaining power in the hands of developers/engineers/etc., as opposed to the companies as a whole. However, many of those good paying jobs require that candidates hold a BS or MS, so developers who lack one of these degrees will also lose a significant amount of bargaining power as compared to someone with one of those degrees.
News articles always say that you don't need a degree, but I don't buy it.
@@michaeln.2383 Same. Totally think most people need a degree nowadays.
It's been 4 years since graduating with my computer engineering degree. Pay is amazing. Benefits are amazing. Flexibility is amazing. The projects are (usually) interesting. There are so many openings in computing. There are so many business opportunities as well. It's absolutely insane! I think companies are really, really desperate for talent right now. I got lucky ending up in Silicon Valley but there is no doubt in my mind that the degree is extremely lucrative anywhere in the developed world. At my university, computer engineering was 85% computer science, 15% electrical/electronics engineering. It's functionally equivalent to computer science as far as the industry is concerned. I chose to take robotics electives in school but don't actually use those skills in my job. I'm just a standard software developer/engineer. Haha.
I have a friend who went the boot camp route and struggled a lot in the field, being the first target during layoffs and having to learn A TON of stuff that boot camps just don't cover. With some tutoring and some years of on-the-job training he is doing OK now, too. I'd definitely recommend the degree route as it lays the complete foundation and gives you the flexibility to learn about some of the more advanced specializations like machine learning, artificial intelligence, programming languages, computer graphics, game development, distributed systems, and more in a controlled learning environment with ample timing before jumping straight into the subset of the industry you're interested in.
@M.V Brown I'm a bit biased towards CS. I did have a few classmates that double majored in CS and some math majors (Applied Mathematics or similar IIRC). I think there's significant overlap, but the job outlook for CS seems so much better from what I can tell.
If you're into computers or tech in any way (websites, apps, robotics, video games), I'd say go with CS hands down. If you are more of a number cruncher (actuary, statistician, big data analysis, etc.), I'd say stick with mathematics and learn enough CS skills on the side (R, Python, Matlab, etc.) to stand out.
@M.V Brown I think that makes a lot of sense. I imagine you'd have a lot of flexibility in tech and also be in the running for more analyst-type jobs with that major-minor setup. Best of luck to you!
I always stress to people that a CS degree is not easy. Since you like math, you'll probably be fine. CS in and of itself is more about discrete math (logic, set theory, graphs) than anything else. In you're a really math-y person, there are great subcategories of CS to go into like graphics, simulations, and machine learning. For example, in my junior year of college, I was taking vector calculus and working part-time for a research group that was making 3D ship simulation software for the Navy. While not realizing the connection at first glance, I found that I would learn about some vector math in class and be able to apply that math to add features to the custom 3D graphics engine we were making another day. That class had immediate payoff for me. I'd imagine, in practice, cases like this are few and far between though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Wow.. thanks for sharing this.. worth a read for tech majors
Do you think getting a BA in CS vs a BS in CS is that big of a difference to employers?
@@cruiserx5492 I imagine it doesn't matter much in the job hunt. I'd argue the school you went to would count more for or against you than BA vs. BS. I've heard having a BA may affect compensation, but the examples I've seen are fairly minor and few in number. When viewing resumes, I hardly pay attention to whether it's a BA, BS, BE, etc. and I would never bring it up in an interview even if I did. Most of my questions would be focused on areas of strength and expertise followed by sheer ability to solve problems as determined by a coding/whiteboard interview.
I'd probably be most concerned about ensuring the skill set you'd pick up with a BA is practical and applies to the parts of the industry you want to target when you graduate. I imagine with a BA, you'd have the opportunity to pursue the arts a bit more which would be amazing for more the more creative parts of computing like game development, computer graphics, etc.
Short answer: yes.
Graduated with one in December 2018. Now I make 80K at my job as a Full Stack Engineer. The best strategy is the degree and an internship or paid work to get a job. It was well worth it.
Do recommend taking computer science with something else. Also what resources do you recommend to expose yourself to computer science. I’m only a sophomore in high school and have no experience whatsoever. But I think I may want to major in computer science in college.
What university did you go to please?
@@jaysonemile6633 taking Computer Science with Business would be great honestly. It gives you flexibility and can fast track you into manager roles. Mathematics is good if you want to get into Data Analytics as well.
There are literally countless resources to get exposed to computer science. One of the best is tutorialspoint for learning a computer language or w3 schools for web design.
But the best question is to determine WHAT software engineering field are you interested in getting into. Mobile development? Web Development? Data Analytics? There are a bunch of different computer science fields to get into.
@@imanekandili9740 University of Wisconsin-Parkside
@@anthonycoleman2229 thank you
Thanks man. This reassured me that even if my entrepreneurial ventures go to shit, my CS degree is a good safety net.
Zach Weiss you got a good fall back bro.. Plan things out and don't be afraid to switch plans if the need to do so arises. With volatility comes opportunity. Good luck =)
What type of shit?
@@huey1153 horse
You’ll still need to keep your skills fresh. If you can’t show you have the skill to work on the company’s systems and cannot pass the interview questions, you’ll still struggle.
You could fail with your business ventures. However, if you're really interested in being an entrepreneur you'd try again.
I'm a Computer Science major and a few months away for graduation. Your videos have helped me out. Great job keep it up!!
alexander Velasquez awesome! Let me give you an advance greeting. Congratz! Cheers to you =)
@@kitrodriguez992 should I go into this if I can’t type?
@@zixzizia1066 type? You mean code?
@@mrborat2493 no. I mean type. I letter hunt when I type as opposed to doing it the right way!
Did you graduate man? Did you land a job? How is it? Please update us !!!
We need these types of videos in veterinary and nursing degrees, there are so many misconceptions about the two fields your help and expertise would be great
Jaskaran Khurana hey! thanks for being here. Definitely making a video on that. Stay tuned for it =)
Veterinary sucks! You need to be a genius to get into vet school and then you graduate to work in a factory farm.
@@ShaneHummus still waiting
I was going to study veterinarian your whole bachelor’s degree is worth nothing you get paid like 20 thousand a year normally unless you get to veterinarian it’s only worth it if your getting to the highest point which veterinarian
Now i’m going to study computer science with a masters in cyber security
One of the biggest cons when it comes to getting a computer science degree that you mentioned at the end but wasn't specifically part of the Cons list: It's hard as FUCK. If you struggle with math at all you better be prepared to work your ass off and be very ready for the real possibility that you're just not going to be able to complete it because it's too hard for you.
Also a lot of people think that Computer Science is the same as software development, but it's not. So you really have to research and make sure you know what exactly it is before you decide to get a degree in it vs. teaching yourself programming and whatnot.
Also ALSO it never ends. You constantly have to keep up with new technologies or languages that are getting developed all the time and it's basically a continuous learning process for the rest of your professional life or risk falling behind and getting canned, so if you're not interested enough to really love it in college there's a very real chance you'll get burned out. And I'm not being one of those guys that says "Don't do it unless you wanna dedicate your life to it or you'll never make it," but at the same time you really have to be okay with the fact that it's not a "learn in school then just go do it and never have to study again" type of career.
Thank you
@@yalancyjunior3320 Yeah, software development is not the same as CPU science. Not by a long shot. There's very basic math involved with software engineering. All the Calculus and Linear Algebra or Differential Equations classes aren't really needed in software engineering. Unless you're working with a lot of numbers and complex logic like algorithms. There's more math in cyber security and Info technology sectors.
Here's another con: CS is not an easy degree to get. I'm currently a graduate student in computer science and I also teach freshman computer science courses (I'm a teaching assistant so I teach labs, professors give lectures), and from what I've seen, at least 40% of the freshmen entering computer science will be weeded out by the end of the year. Or as Tren Black would say: business by christmas. Also very important: contrary to what a lot of people think, CS is NOT software engineering. You're not just going to be writing code all the time, you're going to have to study algorithms, data structures, formal methods, discrete math, computer architecture, etc. If you don't like math and you're not good at math, you better buckle up and start reviewing or you too will be "business by Christmas".
minh quan Do very nice and practical advice. Completely agree with what you said here. If CS was easy then everyone could go for it that easy.. But it is difficult and will challenge your math skills. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.. Cheers to that buddy!
Things like fluids dynamics and thermodynamics is what is keeping me away from deciding between CS and mechanical engineering or even pure physics. I love physics (mechanics the most) and continuous math more than discrete mathematics, although I could learn discrete mathematics probably faster than most people but I feel sad for giving away a big part of physics if I do decide to go for a CS degree (but even though I like and I'm doing well at math, discrete mathematics is the least interesting to me and maybe even the hardest branch, I enjoy calculus and algebra more) . Currently I am in high school learning how to code through Harvard's CS50 and I thought about maybe doing things like robotics or mechatronics but I'm not sure yet. I have 2 more years until college and I will try to do as much things as I can to see what I like more and the other way around (maybe I don't like coding as much as I think but I can't remember a time when I was more excited than when I started coding 1 year ago). For now I will continue to learn coding and last week I started to prepare for a physics competition which begins 6 months from now so I will see how that will go.
So in a CS degree, is it true that there is much more discrete mathematics than continuous maths or no?
How difficult is the math. I am good with math but I need to know what type of mathematics required.
@@blugaledoh2669 The degree I’m looking at has calculus, and discrete math I and II, for example.
I take it in high school so I’ve been thinking about post 18 and honestly I prefer the maths and studying side to the coding weirdly enough
Just finished an ap computer science exam. Great timing!!😂😂
Ryan Glasheen
you must be electrified by this video, Now don't forget to like it haha.. Keep that fire burning and good luck with your chosen path Ryan. Cheers to you buddy!
I was already intending to study finance when I go to college anyways ,,,
@Jake Garcia probably finance it gets great pay and isn't painfully hard and mentally exhausting like computer science
@@ryanglasheen6150 don't need to put down computer science. Obviously fiance is more of your passion, and that's totally okay. I personally find passion in computer science.
same but i failed mine
Do finance next please! And maybe the benefits/ drawbacks of getting a masters in finance
Not Your Dad Thanks for your suggestion,
got one in the works.. Stay tuned for it.. =)
Hey man, absolutely loved this video. Your personality and presentation with a dose of honesty. I appreciate it and keep doing what you love, or start doing it. Keep up the great work and wish you well.
I appreciate that! Thanks
Good work!We need more of these videos. Are you going to do a buisness tier list? Looking forwards for that video.
Saimons Mercier thanks! definitely will. That's also one of the most requested videos. Stay tuned for it
Damn you're working hard, love your computer science videos, giving the video a like😊
Sim Prasad that means a lot. Thanks brother
I love the office references through your videos! 😂 I've been fighting between whether to go for CS or MIS.
literally same, most likely doing cs then an mba afterwards since education is free but im still unsure
man your the greatest you give the best advice and the information I ACTUALLY NEED in the perfect amount of time
Glad I could help
Thanks for this man, been on the fence about a CS degree. Definitely going for it now.
Best of luck! Let me know how it worked out for you.. Cheers!
How's it going so far?
update?
What happened please lmk I’m also on the fence
Update please
The career counselor and instructors at the university that I attended used to say that there was a shortage of programmers and that jobs were falling out of the sky and that all students would find a job. When I would talk to graduates, most students never found a job and the job market was saturated. Graduate school was full of students all waiting for their big break.
Thanks for your input
I really love all your videos. And you are THE ONLY UA-camr who actually reply to everyone's comments. Thanks for the great content and I really learnt a lot from you. And I clicked the subscribe button the moment I finished your first video. Keep up your good work and I will always support you!
Glad you like them! I appreciate that nice comment. Stay tuned for more. Cheers!
My dad has a long story about getting into computer engineering with only a degree in finance. He says that at the time it was out of luck because there were some companies around where he lived which had a high demand for software engineers. He got trained, and he tried as hard as possible to get the job and then did. He said it’s better to actually major in computer science or engineering rather than to take the big risk of no college education. He said getting the first job was like “It’s either I get this job and then can work as a software engineer with the credibility of the job, or I will never get to work as a software engineer again.”
Breath of fresh air. To the point information just does it for me.
Thanks for making this video Shane. Your channel is gonna be huge one day!
Big thanks for leaving such a nice comment. Cheers to you brother!
I got a 2 year Computer science degree from a Community college. It cost me 14,000. Now I make 80k a year.
That's great
Bullshit on what? My degree cost or my salary?
@@beachwave5705 I know. I have an associates in Computer Science
What do you do for work?
Did you have to get an internship to get a job?
your video is very educating for me, i love it ! keep up the good work
Thank you! Will do! Cheers!
The amount of smoke sizzling from my brains in Calculus is proof enough that CS is worth it.
It is. Cheers!
This was very helpful, thank you✌🏻
Glad to help. Stay safe
Hey Shane would you do a science major tier list? I feel like it's an area that's kind of overshadowed by the other STEM fields and would be a good idea to look into. Also awesome video by the way keep up the good work!
Nucle4r Penguins that's a good idea. Thanks for you suggestion buddy. Which science majors do you think will top the list?
@@ShaneHummus Hmm I think that biology , physics, and chemistry would probably be the most stable with only a bachelors since these can get you decent jobs right after school (ones with a salary about 50k). I haven't heard as many good outcomes with people only having a B.S. in psych or anthropology , etc...
But I really can't say anything for sure on this except for myself with a B.S. in Physics the job market was kind of hit or miss. Going to Grad School afterwards seemed like the better option for me and I think many science majors went down a similar path.
Also generally I think with only a bachelors, most of the sciences would rank under their Engineering counterparts. (Probably like B rank or so) since the gap in pay is pretty big.
This entire channel is a lifesaver, thank you
Happy to hear that!
Right ❤️
Your channel is helping me. I’m 34 years old trying to figure out what to do with my life. I got my associate in arts degree but I’m thinking of getting a bachelors in finance or theater. I’m now pondering computer science as well. I definitely don’t want to waste money on a worthless degree. College is hard lol.
That’s your problem. You’re getting degrees in useless fields. I would’ve done an associates degree in a STEM field or in air traffic control. And definitely don’t major in theatre if you want to be stuck in a low paying dead end job.
Definitely! If there is one thing I am continuing to force myself to learn it's computer science. With the movement of the market to where it is today, computer science is crucial for pretty much every job. And for the jobs that don't require it, being able to involve it into that job will only push you ahead of the competition!
Creative 7 Inc right. Agree with what you said. Expect growth with the next 5 to 10 years.
really appreciate your work i dont know where i would be without you
Yuran Abdul Thanks! I really appreciate that brother.. But always remember to leave 80% for your own judgement. I am just here to inform and guide, I can just be the other 20%. Cheers! =)
Starting computer science in exeter in september. I was kinda nervous, this video helped me chillax
Awesome.. Good luck then!
Hey how have you found it so far? I'm in the UK so I'm curious on your experience.
Me too I want to know how is it
how was it
Hey how you doing ?
Thank you so much for this! Some people say that it’s a useless degree and there are some that are saying it’s one of the best. I’m definitely going for the degree now after watching. =)
I have a mechanical engineering degree but my job is pretty much just pure coding XD. I should have studied software engineering because I like it a lot better. To me it just feels like a puzzle game that I get paid for.
I absolutely hate fluids dynamics and thermodynamics because of all the equations and math involved. I do some mechanical stuff sometimes but mostly it’s just developing algorithms, measurement software, and GUIs.
I like how you can easily just create something using your keyboard. I even automated some stuff in my home so I can just control it from an app on my phone from anywhere in the world.
Before I hated coding because I didn’t understand it at all but the more I learned about it the easier it became and more resourceful I got. I remember it once taking me an entire day to get one single line of code working when I originally started and it was so painfully frustrating. Now I can finish what my boss gives me a week to do in just a few hours most of the time.
Yes at beginning it is very frustrating but when you get it right Isn't it the best feeling?
@@konstantinosantoniou3904 yes indeed!
@The Algorithm here’s an idea, google it. Don’t waste my time asking these stupid questions.
Please make a video comparing physics, engineering, computer science
It's gonna be extremely helpful
Thanks for making these videos they are super helpful I appreciate it
And thanks for the support Joseph. Stay tuned for more valuable content.
This encouraged me to start a CS degree. I love programming since high school and STEM fields in general, but my parents wanted me to do finance😕
Good! Follow your passion and money will follow you.
Lol im the opposite, i like finance but parents want me to do CS
@I ain't Budoy, I'm Natoy you wanna switch moms?
You made the best choice!, Programming also pays a lot more (usually)
@@daboss6614 Update: I couldn't get into Compsci as my number of credit exceeded the credit window. I chose electrical engineering. I think this one is great too.
Thank you for this video. I am on the fence about this particular degree path. I defintely see a future in it but I have always been TERRIBLE at math. I'm currently and audio engineer and sound designer looking into getting a batchelors in Computer Science and Game Audio. It seems like a logical step for remote work but I have reservations. Does anyone have any experience in that particular field that might be able to give some advice?
I’m so excited I will be majoring in CS next spring 😲 I was a psych major and will be getting my associates (I thought helping people was what I wanted to do) however I’m an introvert, not a people person and I work for amazon and help with the website, I love it. I know that a degree will help me in terms of job opportunities.
Nice.. Best of luck Cassandra
Congrats!! Are you going to switch in the same school? Which school is it? Thanks!
Hi cassandra I’m literally in the same boat as you, this semester I was supposed to get my associates in psych but did a bit of self reflection. I’m taking my first cs class this moment. How’s it going for you ?
bro same, went from psychology to computer science
Same here lmao
Since the day I started to work with you, I know I've changed a lot which really helped me to become a better person inside and out. You are one of the reasons why I'm always trying my best. Thank you so much You know I appreciate you so much.
Absolutely, the people that are telling no, are hurting you. They already know how difficult it is. Especially if you are at a disadvantage.. just be ready to work
I've done two degrees, one majoring in compsci and pscyhology, the other in marketing and information systems. By far the compsci degree offers the most in terms of flexibility past graudation. You can build your own apps / products, work in essentially whatever industry you want (as pretty much every industry has tech), you're also able to work remotely and have your pick of cities worldwide. You also don't need a degree to get into the industry. I've done a similar video talking about the pros and cons of a CS degree, but this was a good explanation, cheers Shane!
Matt Kander wow! thanks for being here buddy. I appreciate your sensible comment on this. Good input. Cheers! =)
You just earned a new subscriber =)
But also every company needs Marketing Managers. For me Business degrees are better than Engineering. Btwn you have both that's great! 💗
Alpha Nemesis coming from someone with a marketing degree, the entry pay for marketers is pretty low compared to entry pay for comp sci and the entry way for marketers/business degrees is COMPETITIVE its a bit over saturated and computer scientists are much more in demand especially really good developers, my friend dropped out of college but was a self taught developer and talked about how HE was the one who had to train recent comp sci grads yet they were getting a bit of a better starting pay than him.. so at the end of the day just learn the skill and let your skill prove itself
@@nomnom1894 But in most of the countries Marketing or any other business majors earns more more than comp sci majors.. plus in Asia there's high unemployment of software engineers. But business majors are always high in demand around the world because every organization needs marketing or any other type of managers but not every organization needs software engineers or any other engineer.
Yes skills are really important to enhance in any field but business majors are high in demand and earns more.
Currently working on my BACS while doing a full stack MERN bootcamp in hopes to break in before I finish school. Best of luck to everyone 😁👍👍
Thank you dude. This video is really helpful..
You got it.. Any thoughts on the video?
Comp E is where it's at. Very easy to break into the tech field with the coding you learn in the degree but also protected against outsourcing because the EE skills you learn aren't just something anyone can pick up.
Andrew Mayer that is a good point. Thanks for sharing what you know. Cheers!
I’m in the tech space, although I didn’t do a CS degree. I did an engineering degree and got a 2.7 undergrad gpa. My engineering field had very low job demand and it was impossible to enter without a PhD. So I was unemployed with a low GPA for nearly a year. I worked my ass off to learn CS skills. I taught myself everything with online free classes and projects. Now, I’m a data scientist for a company in Silicon Valley (data science can be entered by any math related grad) and making well over 100k. However, I work remotely from home in a much lower cost of living area (Midwest). Lower taxes than California, but the same salary as the rest of the data scientists there. So yeah I get to work from home in my pajamas making a lot of money. I think that if you really want to do this and want the life that comes with it- work your ass off to become good at CS and math. Anything is possible. The effort is well worth it in the end. A CS degree helps, but if you didn’t get one and want a CS job, you can definitely pivot.
On the idea of outsourcing- it won’t really happen to you if you’re decent. The best CS minds are located in first world countries at the moment. Companies generally outsource only if they can’t really afford a good CS person or can’t afford one.
Trevor Miller thanks a lot for sharing an insightful comment. I really appreciate sensible comments such as yours. Please check out my other videos and leave a comment. Cheers! =)
How can i get a remote job at a really young age
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS I have been watching. Love your content :)
Obi wan Apply to multiple. I applied to over 300 before landing one job. You need to discuss option of remote up front.
Well majority of tech jobs are outsourced to H1B visa or OPT visa people , they work for cheap . You will notice it on ur floor . Most tech jobs don’t have permanent jobs , they give IT staffing companies to hire people as consultants and the money trickles down to the worker or consultant.
In the future or what is happening currently is many companies are opening branches staring in India Hyderabad for example and hiring resources for peanuts. Trump is trying to stop this but in the end capitalism prevails. It is similar to what has happened to manufacturing
You should do a video on a BA vs a BS in computer science.
These comments are absolutely different from what other people are saying. I became so unsure about my path in getting a CS degree. This was very reassuring
1.is 3 am
2.i like your videos
3.thanks for giving us hope of CS
foxrootking you got it. Best of luck to you. =)
Lol I am watching at 3:20 am,we get thoughts about our career at this time of the day
As a Computer Science major, I greatly appreciate this video. Thank you! ☺️
jackelynarias123 that's awesome! Which uni did you attend? Cheers!
How hard is it? I heard you have to be very good at math
In my country computer engineering is very easy and pays quite well but it's hard to find a job without a masters degree
@@Traumatised311 bullshit. Edit, my bad i didnt notice the “my country”
@@Traumatised311 where r from?
I'm about to get my AA in IT and I'm debating on weather or not I should go for the cs bachelor's degree. The main worry I have is the math because higher level algebra was a struggle for me. If I do decide to get the bachelors it will only be 2 years because I will have the AA. Any advice is appreciated.
You're a guru of careers! Thanks 😊
Great video,👍very informative
Really excited to enter this subject. Might go to university this year for it.
Krio Is awesome that's awesome! I wish you all the luck. Which uni are you looking to attend?
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS Hopefully UBC in the future but I am in grade 11 and hopefully will be able to attend UofS for the summer if some how the coronavirus dies down.
Maybe one about MS Financial Engineering. Kudos to this channel.
Umang Pahwa gona make that video. Stay tuned =)
Thank you so much! Its helpful.
Very Good Video, Stright To The Point
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Hey Shane, I really appreciate your videos even if my degree is useless 😂 This may sound a bit random but could be a video idea. Could you do maybe a video on Jobs that the military could train you in if you really want to retrain as something? I think they do give someone loads of options if someone wanted to get paid to retain as something with regards to a skill and future job.
It’s something that I am currently considering given my silly degree 😂
T H I love that idea.. Already making one actually. haha Stay tuned for it. Cheers!
Shane Hummus - The Success GPS Ah man thank you so much for replying! And ah awesome! I’m really looking forward to the video.
I don’t know if it is the same in the US as it is in the UK, my country, but if you have a degree and a certain level of grades, you can go for officer training off the bat where they train you and pay you pretty well also 😂 It’s something that I am currently hoping to do. L
Anyway looking forward to your video bro, really appreciate the effort of your videos.
@@TH-ie6jr same here in the U.S.. You actually get paid and get trained/educated at the same time when you get accepted in the military. But yeah, you have to be smart and physically fit to be in. You are welcome, Cheers!
I’ve never been really good at math, Ive always gave up on math. I’m currently in the Navy as an active duty member and I don’t plan on retiring in the Navy. I want to challenge myself. I also want to prove to myself that I can achieve something that others like myself don’t usually achieve. Not for bragging rights, but to break down the barriers of being a black women in Tech, there is about only 3% of black women in the Computer Tech field. Could someone please give me some advice? I would really appreciate it. ❤️
If you want it , girl get it
Start working hard and you'll make it ;)
It’s not a barrier, they just aren’t very good at it
Race really isnt a problem in the tech industry infact its quite the contrary. I will agree that there arent a lot of females in this field but thats just a preconcieved preference of women not being interested in stem subjects just like how men arent that interested in nursing. Its not that women dont achieve but rather they dont want to achieve.
There's a youtuber called Adebisi and she's a black woman who makes videos about tech and computer science. Her videos have really helped me out
The most important thing is do you still find math interesting and like it.Even if you are not good at it you can become good at it if you try and practise. Well i dont like math and my skills are average but if i also like playing piano but im not good at it as well and i can learn it to do it if i train myself.
Hi Shane, I am really confused. I am doing cs 1st year and I have physics and chemistry so I wanted to know if it will affect my career path, whether it will be different from someone doing information system
hey man great video, currently about to finish my first semester toward my cs degree. I see a ton of people on reddit and other places online talking about not being able to find a job after hundreds of applications, is it genuinely that tough to land a job or are these people doing something wrong?
I think companies are more likely to hire candidates with internships/any other type of experience throughout their degree. So maybe try to see what opportunities your school offers?
Great video! I have bets on the automation hype train as well, would you also look at other engineering degrees like Robotics/Mechatronics and Control Systems Engineering?
Aurko Mitra thanks for the feedback. And sure I can make a part 2 of this video that would include other engineering fields. Stay tuned for it. =)
I was thinking about doing robotics and controls engineering
But there is so much math
And physics
So I thought I could start out at a 2 year college and transfer
But all the 2 year schools around me that offer robotics and automation don't transfer
And not a lot of colleges have engineering degrees
In mechatronics and robotics
It's usually focused on one
Field like mechanical electrical or software
I mean mechatronics and robotics is really interesting
Im thinking about doing software
And maybe get a cs degree
What I can tell you about
This tech world is that everything is on the computer now
And it eliminates paper and pencil
I mean if you want to go into robotics and controls systems
I think you should study electrical engineering
Or mechanical engineering
Most labor blue collar jobs will go away
And science and tech will continue to grow
I think the best degree's for someone
That likes machines is computer science or engineering
The problem with cs is that's self paced
And there is not a teacher
Saying this is what you do and how you get it done
Another problem is that most of it is online
It's sad that most people are not interested in robotics or control systems
When this help out a lot
Everyone thinks they can build an app or website
Which floods the industry
I wanna see technology automating a machine not making an app or website that can be done traditionally
Engineering is more tactile
Traditional facts based
Computer science is more digital
Throw a computer in my face
And I'll figure it out
Oh let's meet on this app
So it depends where your interests are
If you are interested in software digital things
Programming than go for computer science
If your more Interested in hardware
Robotics
Computer controlled things
Go engineering
If you wanna talk more you can email me at jamesomalley2020@gmail.com
@@jamesomalley5247 Yup, lot's of calculus haha
I've worked with computers for nearly 30 years. I didn't get a degree, but was working as a technician, and took a basic class through the local community college, and wrote a scheduling program using basic on the first IBM XT that my company bought. From there I worked up through the ranks, ended up in SCADA (system control and data acquisition) which is a niche field, but good for job security.
My US company ended up merging with a UK company that liked outsourcing. Pretty much the entire IT department got outsourced, quite a bit to India, and the only company employees in IT ended up being project managers. Folks with IT skills that supported automation (hands on) ended up keeping their positions. And often, they worked away from headquarters, had more job freedom, which is nice.
For hiring, it was over a decade ago that we even considered someone without a degree. We went from hiring out our team level, (outsourced HR), so when we needed someone new, they ran an online job hunt, and we were only allowed to interview folks that made it through the outsourced HR. So, I'd recommend that a degree is a necessity if you want to work for a huge corp.
I'd say my job satisfaction is very good, but I love getting down to the bit level, and troubleshooting issues. I don't do as much anymore, but I used to put in super long hours. (base salary, no overtime)
As you noted about keeping your skills current, that is a must in the computer industry. You have to put in lots of your own time learning new skills if you want to stay relevant. Not bad if you like constantly learning new skills, but if not, probably not the area for you.
Thanks for your input. Cheers!
im starting college and ive been focusing on getting to this course, hopefully it is actually worth the time. will return to this video after some time to give my experience.
How are you doing so far?
Good luck
How is it so far? Please respond.
so... did u like it?
could you in future say where you get the information, because it would be seriously helpful! thanks!
Bottom of the description :)
I’m a junior at high school I wanna focus on my future I’m not gonna listen to these bozo’s saying college isn’t worth it and I came across your channel. Ima be binge watching this for a while lol. I’m thinking of and my family recommended me to major in comp sci, I’m not the best at math but I am dedicated to get the check
I’m also in highschool looking into this major but math isn’t my strongest subject 😅
@@galaxygkm4696 anything can be your strong subject if you study. Math and science isn’t like other subjects it takes more effort
@@OneAndOnlyRoRo true, I say it’s not my strongest subject because I’ve taken AP math and got a low B
@@galaxygkm4696 Comp sci isn't just math, sure you could spend some time and improve your math but I would say that learning a programming language in high school is much more useful and doesn't take that much math. I would recommend python as a great beginner language that is universally useful to know.
@@hj2479 yeah ik programming is not just math good thing I have a computer science elective available at my hs might consider taking it also I’ll probably look more into coding as well
8:20 I am from Egypt and yup, plenty of companies are outsourcing here. I do think outsourcing will increase because more and more people in my country are learning English.
I’ve actually been thinking about this a lot...I got accepted to a few colleges and have done research for like 2 years lol so I hope it works out
Good luck with all your plans. Have you decided which industry to target? Cheers!
I'm a CS major but dropping out, I love coding and am good at it but that's like becoming a camera engineer/designer because you're into photography.
For computer science you have to be able to think abstractly and be fairly creative, while applying that abstract thinking to a structured framework. + You gotta be willing to put in tons of work.
Best of luck to yall
How are you doing now? Wish you luck in your career change man
@@trevorjamesconsideracion1982 honestly, I regret dropping out. I signed back back up and am starting again this Monday since thankfully I didn't absolutely burn that bridge. Looking back I really wasn't in the right headspace, but hopefully now I am. It's worth it to just finish the degree imo EVEN if I don't end up using it down the line it's a damn good thing to have.
@@fezii9043Best of luck, friend.
yeah thats it im teaching myself to code so that when I get to college I will be at least a little prepared
It's very useful
@Shane Hummus - The Success GPS can you do one on Informatics and the best programs for it.
Thanks for the video, i've been on the fence about pursuing a cs degree but now i'm pretty sure i'm gonna go for it. However i know math is an important part of it, and i'm quite average at it, if slightly above. I do really enjoy programming and working on projects though, but am i just going to end up burning out if the math part is too difficult? Thanks for any advice anyone can give me :))
Only do a CS degree if you are passionate about coding and making software. Otherwise the field will chew you up and spit you out for the worse.
I was so happy to bump into this path I'm in highschool and I'm very good in AP maths and computers this made me so happy 😂.
I am passionate about this job .
That's a solid path. Good luck 😊
Hi, I really like ur videos, and I have a very important question is CS major good for someone who lives in KSA?
CS in general is very good. Good luck
Meaning wherever you are it is a gem to pursue
Love this video
You gotta keep updating, many old timer in the late 90 mainly cobol programmers got kick out of their field due to the lack of experience in C++, Java, oracle etc those guys mostly out date in their mid 50. So if with the 4 generation language getting its popularity maybe a few year from now 3gen language will be out date soon
I think this man deserves more likes!
Currently in highschool here in the Philippines, I've already planned all that I want to do. Wish me luck!
Best of luck!
What college will you study? I'm researching too for good school I still cant find a good one
I heard you reply to everyone 👀
I don't have much of an interest in anything except writing novels and scripts but they're not so well received in the parts where I live. So I need a good degree which will give me a secure job in return so that I can still pursue my interest as a part time job till (hopefully) it grows. In that case, is 4 year CSIT degree (not computer **engineering**) a good option for me?
Hi Shane thanks for the video and enlightenment on the topic! Now one question comes to mind: what would be old as one of the cons? 30s.. 40s.. ? :)
You got it and thanks for the feedback. Well, to answer that, it is subjective. Like I said on the video companies may phase out older employees so that depends again on what they consider is old and incapable of doing the tasks. Best of luck! Cheers!
With CS you can jump in many disciplines like Data Analitics, Cybersecurity, AI, Machine Language, Geographic Information Systems (GIS), and more because of the programming background. In my case I getting a MS in Cybersecurity and I want be a more hacker than developer because that takes more skill and more demand than software. Very hard to outsource the job.
Thanks for sharing that
why not take masters in cybersecurity?
Hi Shane. Thank you for this. I've been heavily conflicted between Economics and Computer Science. If possible, can you make a video on Economics degree as well please?
Those are really solid choices. I might make a video on economics in the future but can't promise specifically when. Stay tuned Cheers!
@@ShaneHummus How about getting associate degree from Economics and CS engineering degree ?
Thay would be a very solid choice I think
You could pursue a career in both fields, or you could combine the knowledge from both subjects
I think it could give you a big opportunities, you have great business and technology knowledge
@Khairinoa Same here :(
Does the work schedule include weekends or holidays? Or overnight shifts? I work in healthcare and I'm considering changing my career
I'm studying in the finance field rn . I'm planning to take IT anytime sooner. Also is it going to be tough BCS of the 2 different path fields?
The biggest con of cs degree- it is very hard for some people to understand
Yes! and the challenge there is to stay the course despite the difficulty. Cheers!
it’s mostly memorizing right?
@@markodissey405 no, algorithms and such all require deep and critical thinking and aren't really "if you know one you know them all" material
@@HR-fw1wp i lost my 4.0 gpa due to algorithms
People who may have computer but they no idea: how algorithms and they don’t even know how coding works?
Never got the CS degree, I never even finished college. I switched majors twice and was racking up debt some dropped out. I ended up teaching myself CS and finance on my own. As someone who is a self starter and an entrepreneur this was the better option for me.
Sounds like you had no direction and fumbled around until you had to drop out. I’m guessing you’re not exactly doing well as an “entrepreneur”
@@notme2Well you'd be wrong. Doing fine thanks for asking (Better than fine actually). Like I said it was the best option for me. Managed to take a good chunk out of my debt. At the rate it will be gone in 2 years and I have $45,000 of it. University was a waste of time and money. I should have dropped sooner honestly.
Most people don't even end up working in their feilds anyway. That's what you get when send young people straight to school with no real clue what they're doing.
P.S It's like you ignored the fact that i taught myself what i wanted to learn.
@@AmazingStoryDewd so true I wish they teach us what we actually will do the world would’ve been an easier place for everyone
Can you do a video only talking about Information System. Is major in business that I’m really looking forward for and I want to know your thoughts! Thanks
Noted Jesus. I might consider that if I get a lot of request for that
Hey Shane, new to your channel but I noticed in one of your videos you talk about how you used explorehealthcareers.org to figure out that you wanna become a pharmacist. I’m currently in the dilemma where I truly have a passion for medicine and want to become a pharmacist aswell but I’ve seen job outlook for pharmacist jobs look bleak as the us labor statistics talk about how the supply is becoming overwhelming for the demand for pharmacists and how finding a job as a pharmacist will be hard in the future as their is little to no job growth. Any tips or advice you can give?
Explosive Peter hey bro! thanks for being here. You are actually making a good point on the stats. Looks like you did a fair amount of research on your end. Please stay tuned for my video on Pharmacy. Cheers!
I wanted my son to take this.. We did talk about Comp Sci before. Anyway, nice content
Nice! how did the conversation go?
@@ShaneHummus It turned bad and ended up with bloody hands and a dead child... Yikes
Dont force your kid😇
@@collnes5289 is that you dad?
I'm 19, I'll be 20 in August, I'm Italian, I'm on my first year studying International Relations, and I even though it's a field I've been interested in for some years of my life (I'm not sure if I'm that passionate about the subject) I don't feel like it's going to bring me anywhere, I'm thinking to move into another city, with a more prestigious university (probably the best public university in the country, and public universities in Italy are excellent) trying to have the same degree but optimising my possibility of having a satisfying job, but I see from some statistics that only 20% of people that come out of aniversity with that degree have a job in which the degree would be relevant (it's a statistic relevant for the whole country though, coming out of the best university would get me a higher probability), and I also see that average pay is like 17400€, that's roughly 20000$ a year, even though again, it's a country-wide statistic where most of the figures come from people that don't actually get into the field and are just regular employees in public and private agencies, and a big chunk of them also has part-time jobs, so not an ideal indicator of what actually getting that degree in the best university and getting in the field would look like, but I'm so uncertain that I'm actually thinking I might trash this first year and try to get a degree that looks more promising, and after trashing everything (medical, law school, economics) except computer science I have this funny idea of trying to get a computer science degree.
Fact is, I'm comically bad at math, but in recent years I've become more interested in both math and programming, and I want to learn how to code and be competent in the field, and I thought that perhaps challenging my status quo and actually getting into a more difficult challenge might be stimulating for me (even though international relations is not easy at all), and I don't think I lack the mental ability to learn at least what's needed to get me into a computer science faculty. So I kinda got this idea, am I fucking out of my mind? Am I dreaming about changing faculty because I have three big-boi-thousand-page exams that await me? Perhaps.
Thanks for sharing. Stay tuned
I am studying international and European studies in Greece and I'm having the same thoughts, but I think it's too late for me to restart my journey.
@@hecatrice2064 well, if it's an interest you have, you haven't wasted time. After getting the first degree I'm going to consider either getting a master's degree or getting a second degree that it's actually competitive in the job market.
@@hecatrice2064 think about it, because if you plan your career, you like what you do and get a master's degree, International Relations can be a very exciting career path.
@@edvard8449 It just doesn't seem that practical and is so general, that you're basically forced to do a masters. I'm prolly gonna end up with a translation job of some short. I haven't seen many job opportunities requiring the degree.
if we finish the 4 years of CS is it enough to work as a software engineer or should we study the specialization too?
and what college major should we choose for cybersecurity? CS or IT? i love these hacking stuff
Hello Shane. I did a bachelor in Life science, a master in Genetics, and now I want to pursue in computer science. I thought about doing a master, but after watching your video, i wonder if a bachelor in CS is the most appropriate. I have some programming experience from my master in genetics (python, R). I'd love to know what you think is the best path to become a software or ML engineer (switching from bio-informatics, statistics to computer science)
Thank you so much for your videos.
Be safe
Hey bro! If you are committed to this plan I think comp sci would be your best choice. Which industry are you aiming to land a job at btw? Cheers!
Do you also consider the amount of university students enrolled in a computer science degree major currently and its growth rate? Because that would honestly increased competition considering the fact that many international uni students consider working in the US... I would like your opinion on that too. But otherwise love your content, keep it up!
random person thanks for sharing such an insightful comment. Growth rate is good for comp sci. There is big growth. Cheers!
I wouldn't worry too much about saturation if that's what you're afraid of. I'm currently a graduate student in computer science and I also teach freshman computer science courses (I'm a teaching assistant so I teach labs, professors give lectures), and from what I've seen, at least 40% of the freshmen entering computer science will be weeded out by the end of the year. Or as Tren Black would say: business by christmas. So due to the large numbers of people failing out of the degree, chances are the field won't be saturated by CS grads. It's the math and physics and other engineering majors that I'd watch out for because those guys are smart as hell too.
minh quan Do That’s a very interesting perspective! Thanks for the reply
@@minhquando100 physics is one of the hardest degrees and rigorous too, I am a mechanical engineer and I would nevr do a physics degree
If they let you cheat on exams, many courses not needed. After all, you don't end up a programmer if you don't want to. You can be in an administrative position
My CS has taken far, but I wish I minored in MIS. I had a few friends in MIS that had higher salaries than me early on. I would say do internships while in school. Look at certifications as well. I took a look at my school's current curriculum, and they're including certifications within the major now.
What is MIS plss
@@danielbenjamin7797 Management Information Systems
@@SonicBoomC98 is it the same as cis , also did u do mis majorly??
@@danielbenjamin7797 No Computer Science. I think MIS has more business elements to it
Do you think it's a good idea to study something microeconomics-administration related (I'm from Argentina and here there's an specific career for that) while learning to code by yourself? I know in some companies it's a requirement to know IT even if you're more into the management area. If I want to apply to a job with these two requirements, do you think I can be full self-thaught(IT speaking) or do I need some qualification (like university courses or something like that). Thanks for your time, I'd really appreciate your advices.
There are certain degree worth going to a uni for. So plan it out. I am not familiar with the setting in Argentina so best to do actual research. Good luck. Cheers! =)
Hello, I have a question. I’m going to start my second year in Computer Science soon, and I want to also get a degree in a foreign language (Japanese). Do you think this would be beneficial? I am already bilingual in English and Spanish.
Diana Salinas wow! that spells a ton of opportunities for you. I am blown away. Go for it. Comp sci is your best card though. Good luck =)