Pascal's Wager W/ Peter Kreeft
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- Dr. Kreeft and I have a chat about the necessity of death, an Ursula Le Guin Short story, Albert Camu, Arguments for God's Existence, and Pascal's Wager.
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I graduated from BC in 1998. It's core curriculum of 2 philosophy, 2 theology, history of the western world very much helped to form into who am today. Although I didn't take any classes with Dr. Kreeft, I wish that I had! God bless Dr. Kreeft and Go Eagles!
Love Peter Kreeft; I owe so much to him for my reconversion to the Catholic Faith 🙏✝️🙌
Welcome!!!
This guy has such a young sounding voice for his age
I love the Pensees I got a copy a year a go and always have it out and comeback to it.
The story Dr. Peter Kreeft is talking about is Those Who Walk Away From Omelas by Ursula LeGuin
I was a die hard atheist who came back to the Church after a brutal demonic oppression in 2016. God Bless!
Can you prove that?
@@maxxam3590 not to other people.
Can you prove we're not living in a matrix? :)
@@brianw.5230 You had to jump straight to hard solipsism when asked whether or not you can prove a claim? The fact that you were aked whether or not you can prove X, and your reply is to question whether or not we can prove anything or even if we can know whether reality is real shows that you already know how weak X is as a claim. No, I don't think we live in a simulation, but even if we do, it would be a consistently working simulation with rules that appply universally. And so, can you prove what you claimed before?
Can you at least explain why you believe it to be the case?
“Why not invest in heaven?”
*STONKS*
Those who walk away from Omelas!! A quick short story, please read it!
Great discussion! Everyone should watch.
For another take on how people would react if provided physical immortality check out Martin Swayne's, The Blue Germ, 1918. That's the pen name of Maurice Nicoll.
I remember this story from my grade school!
The wager is interesting to counter atheists, but ultimately God wants genuine faith and love from us
Josh Patterson You are correct that God wants genuine faith and love from us. But he seems open to an initial step taken out of self interest. Just look at the parable of the prodigal son. I answer your objection in my video linked below, Objection 3. Check it out.
ua-cam.com/video/AL4p3JgtT9Q/v-deo.html
Pascal's wager is faulty because it's two choices aren't necessarily the only two choices. There are also other deities to consider or other non-deity related possibilities.
Skyfox I respond to that objection in my video linked above. Check it out. It is at the 21 minute mark. Let me know if you think I adequately answer it or not.
Silver Snacker you put things in quotation marks that I didn’t even say, which is bearing false witness against me. That is wrong. I never said there is a reasonable hope all men might be saved. I do believe in hell as eternal punishment (Matt 25:46). I said someone that didn’t commit to God would have a lower chance of eternal life because they may eventually become a Christian, perhaps at the end of their life, but every time they choose to turn away from God they close themselves off more to his work in them to bring them to repentance, making it less and less likely they will repent and be saved. I affirm the apostles creed, but I am not catholic myself. I am a Protestant. But as I said in video #3, I affirm mere Christianity, and I am happy to focus on our similarities, not our differences.
@Silver Snacker >very milktoast
Never mind! I just saw that it is premiering.
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The ones that walk away from omelas
I tend to think of Pascal as not so much a wager but a challenge. Or a trap. Try this on for size. God, if you’re there, here I am doing this stuff that you supposedly want. Make yourself present to me. Maybe a trap because He will.
Hey Matt, when will you be uploading the interview you did with Tim Gordon?
Fake it until you make it!
Maybe it is because I was blessed with the gift of Faith; even through my rebellious period. There is no way that anyone can tell me a rapist (of otherwise sound, functioning mind) does not realize what he is doing is not only illegal but morally repugnant even when he attempts to justify his actions to sooth himself. I view atheism in the same light (perhaps again my own bias); that the whole while they make arguments against God; they have a sense of fighting against reality itself.
"I view atheism in the same light (perhaps again my own bias); that the whole while they make arguments against God; they have a sense of fighting against reality itself."
That is a dogmatic statement demonstrating colossal ignorance. Belief is not a choice. You cannot force yourself, after years of studying a subject, to believe something in spite of mountains of counter evidence. If you disagree, try it for a week. Try to earnestly believe something for a week that you know is not true. Choose a political viewpoint that utterly disgusts you and play devil's advocate for a week trying to convince yourself it is true.
@@TheRealShrike Already went through my atheist period and was schooled in science; never taught by religious; and yet this was my experience. Just a no-nonsense, common-sense view of reality, clear of the BS on both sides, still leaves me having a sense of belief than non-belief.
Was Einstein, et al, inclined towards theism as the guest here said?
He was, but he subscribed to Spinoza's god
"The more I study science the more I believe in God"-Albert Einstein
@@alpacamaster5992 * Spinoza's God (i.e., pantheism)... finish the quote.
What of you pick the wrong God then what?
I believe we are gifted with faith by God. Then it helps to find out about saints, miracles, angelic apparitions and near death adventures in Heaven; which creates plenty of help to increase - or accept - out faith! With all those examples, it's actually hard to NOT believe!
2:50 "You can't be a saint without God." Well the idea of a saint has changed with our culture. You can't be a classical saint without God because being chosen by God is the defining feature, you can stand by as children are ripped to shreds, or order mass genocide, doesn't matter chosen by God equals saint. The term has changed to mean the selfless and just, no God or gods needed.
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There are so many false premises and false dichotomies here, one hardly knows where to begin refuting these specious arguments.
yea. the old guy is so good in presenting his arguments, so calm, so eloquent in his talk, if you are not familiar with those logical fallacies, you just might say he is sooo right. But as you said his talk is soo full of them that you need hour long video to explain and refute them all.
Just more BS that never ends
I like Peter. I really do.
But. . .
We must remember that our Blessed Lord WILL NOT be second guessed on what He wills or wills not.
We, even the smartest, ARE NOT some sort of consigliere to when our Blessed Lord says enough is enough.
Just as there can be no Heaven on Earth until our Blessed Lord comes again to judge the living and the dead, humans cannot ever reproduce ANYTHING on Earth even remotely close to how bad will be the fires of Hell.