"Making A Mark - November 4, 2016 Session 1"
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2016
- 4:00pm - Welcome and Introduction to conference (John Bodel and Stephen Houston)
Session 1: Marking Meaning (John Bodel presiding)
4:30pm - “Making the First Marks: Early Homo sapiens and the Development of Graphic Mark-making during the Late Pleistocene Period”,Genevieve von Petzinger (University of Victoria, British Columbia)
5:15pm - “Explaining the Curious Ubiquity of Graphic Numeration”, Stephen Chrisomalis (Wayne State University, Detroit)
Humans have an urge, even a compulsion, to mark meaning through visible graphs. These signs range from coats of arms to emojis, potter’s marks to gang signs, and Paleolithic graphs to ISOTYPE or other cross-linguistic vehicles for communicating ideas. All can project meaning directly, without necessary recourse to language. For all their importance, however, there is little of a comparative nature to probe their use, meaning, makers, setting, and variance, or what they share as an expressive potential of all humans. In this conference, specialists in diverse scriptural and semiological systems explore semasiography, the phenomenon of non-linguistic forms of graphic communication organized into patterned, often codified ways. Talks address the techniques and systems employed in such mark-making, the media and modes of representation, and the uses and limitations of symbols and graphemes. The overall objective is to underscore the vitality of such visible signs at all times and periods, and to delight in their wondrous variety.
November 4, 2016
Brown University
43:58 Genevieve Von Petzinger's lecture begins
Thanks :)
Awesome you tagged that, she's who I wanted to hear speak.
Ta.
Yes which is, as it turns out, what I'm here for. ;-) (just a fascinated laymen on this topic)
This is awesome work by Genevieve.
I did like the news today that cave art from Neanderthals was found dating 60,000 years back. That's just awesome.
I grew up exploring caves as a child, they are 54 degrees F - I even went caving one day at ZERO degrees F - a friend and I wanted to look for steam coming out of the ground to find new caves, I now would rather use a drone with an Infra Red camera to spot them - haven't tested that idea yet, BUT - standing just half way under the rock overhang to the cave ? was above freezing, and yet my other half of my body was at 0 degrees temp - just AMAZING, the entrance to the cave was like a furnace, just amazing, so without QUESTION our ancestors used caves for means and ways to stay warm during ice ages periods.
I also theorize humans thrived around 'hot springs' and semi-active volcano regions, I mean, it's warm right? and if it's minus 20 degrees out for a span of 4000 years? I bet Ring of Fire region, that way you have access to the ocean for fish. In fact, I do wonder, places like Japan, Kamchatka? you'd think with all those volcanic hot spots, and access to the fish? we should find early humans too. I DID read once Asians have the LEAST percentage of Neanderthal DNA, hmmm.... EITHER WAY - all of this is damned interesting to me. I DO hope Genevieve continues in her work and brings to the world everything she finds though, just an amazing contribution to humanity, and everyone on her team too.
I am most interested in this pentatonic flute that was found in the cave in Spain if I recall, that had the Lion Man statue, around 30,000 years ago. One youtube video has an archaeologist who found it play it - I presume it was an exact replica heh- 'Don't touch the flute- Blim spit on it' (Blim is my 'go to ' name for ANYONE pre 20,000 years ago that contributed anything to society - Blim discovered fire, Blim discovered fishing etc heh)... . But really, it played well that means our ancestors had music.
Could you imagine a night in the cave? Music? I presume fire, and with fire comes? shadows.
I bet they played with shadows.
Either way- we're here - and they helped get us here!
The things Genevieve studies - my take at least? are the most interesting things in the world.
Interesting about steam from caves 😁 Thanks for sharing
At scene 23:58 the Symbol on the right is generosity and gift.
51:48 the common theme is a gift and where it’s located. The oft is materials for spears and more the stone is a map of the plain above it. How could u miss that? 1:12 the words she is looking for is small and large trees. Meaning. You can’t take your herd here. It’s now overgrown. And yes as the glaciers left the trees moved in and most large animals that couldn’t navigate this terrain during periods of rut or have large permanent tusks could no long come this way.
Wonderful lecture, thank you! Maybe you could tell where I could find the open source which Genevieve mentions?
This is awesome
The marking of Ostrich egg shells with personal identifiers back in the day, still being used by people living in the area today.
Pretty much how your coffee cup has your name written on it by your favourite coffee shop.
Or if the scientists are not prepared to say those markings are the first writings, then it's the same as how golfers mark their golf balls. A lot of the time, a series of dots of their own making, which is recognised by the other golfer's in the group as representing Steve or Dave's golf ball etc.
Can anybody help me? Is there any books of lecturers on this event available on Russian ? Where can I find them ?
Fascinating line of research.
If only we could see their woodworking skills.
There is the Lion Man. Two of them have been found, in in Spain and one in Germany.
RIP PK Saenz
And textiles.
Find the sign language at ua-cam.com/video/jM__j-YuM1U/v-deo.html
why so few views. I don't get it
because porn
Haha, ze kunnen beter over je fiets lullen dan........
Bad clickbait work, lol
Arguably ungrammatical, but funny.
What about spiritual marks? They look like runes in many ways...
What about spirituality? There is no evidence of any kind of belief system witht these ancestral humans. If they had that they would surely have expressed it in their artwork. Instead they painted nature, animals. Imagine that, a period on Earth where nobody was worried about spirituality or religion. Just living with nature and therfore depicting it.
People have tried and completely failed to assign some kind of spirituality to cave art and other finds.
The classic example is the "Venus figurines" People try to say there was a culture worshipping a mother goddesss.
Just because some statuettes were found depicting women who appear to be pregnant.
Clearly they were just depicting life, not spirituality or religion.
Imagine being a stone age hunter-gatherer...you worked hard to survive and did not need spirituality...you needed food, water, shelter. You need nature to survive. Spiritual nonsense will not feed you. You don't even have the luxury of such fantasies. You need food water shelter. Not gods and demons. Not cults and belief systems. You would be a practical person and busy just survivivng. You would be worried about a bear or a lion, about a horse which you can eat. And therefore depicted.
Is there any evidence of religion pre-agriculture?
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 i 100% agree with you. 'It was mystical' = 'we don't have a clue what it is to live religion-free'.
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 You're making assumptions about the cave art with no evidence to back up your assertion; your opinion is based on your own beliefs and experience. We can only speculate as to whether the images left on caves had any spiritual significance to the people who made them.
@@edelgyn2699 That's total nonsense Ed. Clearly, cave art portrays animals. Preferred big prey species especially. That's no assumption at all but well established fact. Supported by skeletal finds, artifacts, butchering sites and so on. Just because there are also unexplained signs is no reason to throw spirituality in there. That is unsupported by any evidence at all. Spirituality therefore is the assumption here dude.
Modern humans were across the straight in Morocco and one easily could have been in the cave without leaving any other trace
In order to make the art work they would have left traces.
I don’t know how to explain it’s writing and it’s words. The science has given breath to lots but kiss of death to this. Now she is right map of the area! And at 1:21 yes we have the elk hunter constellation! Hunt is on! It’s bison at the winter hunting grounds! Here we go and she is done! Crap! She almost had it! And at 1:22 it is living quarters a tent is what the word is. People sleeping on the right and getting up on the left. I’m confused tho. Why set up camp in a cave? To much water dripping? Stone fall issues. As some caves were connected, and allowed passage but collapsed and became unusable. And yes the objects above are water and rocks. Orientation is built into the sites just not picked.
i am normal
Incised lines make the ocher easier to grind... duh...
Meaning of # is clear. Just like some other signs. I talk about it in my lecture.
I don’t know what he is going on about. But. All these languages do have something in common. An older language.
There was a First Nations clan that may have spoken it. But I do recognize some and they are Norse in nature.
Omg she is ignorant! And rude. The previous people were smarter than today’s generation.