Just after i start the bullet in the case i take pressure off the bullet press down slowly lift off again and finish seating. It has worked for me. I don't check my bullets for run either. I also use a crimp die and they that will straighten the bullet. I don't know if dose but i know it doesn't hurt it.
I have had this issue with their 9mm and 45 ACP dies. The 44 mag seating die didn't give me this issue. My biggest frustration with all my Lee seating dies is just how inconsistent the seating depth is. I get the overall length I need and I'll do a check after a few rounds and find out the length has changed. I'll adjust it back to where I want it and it'll change again.
That's a bullet issue, not a die issue. Get a hornady bullet comparator and you'll see that the base to ogive measurement (the length measurement that really matters) is much more consistent. All of my Lee seaters give me seating depths within plus or minus 1-2 thousandths when measured base to ogive.
I had the same problem loading new starline brass... I had to full length resize the new brass and then all the bullets loaded straight... I did not know new brass had to be resized???
I have the same problem... I am seating 62gr. Barnes TTSx in 223... 80 % seat crooked... Lee Pacesetter dies? Its got me... IS IT THE DIE OR THE SHAPE OF THE BULLET???
Hey, good luck with that, Back in the day when I used hobby type lube/sizer machines, the Lyman and RCBS lube Matic. I would get more swaging off to one side than the other on the bullet. it was all because the top punches and die configuring is faulty, you set the bullet on top of the sizing die and then with the top punch force it down into the sizing die, ANY misaligning of the bullet before you force it down in would cause this off-center swaging to happen. it was almost impossible to do it straight every time, the pressure it takes from the nose causes the bullet to enter misaligned and stay that way through the process. That is why I commented on what I said in the last video. On the lube/size machine, all I did was first turn the bullet upside down and size it, the turn the bullet right side up to apply lube. That fixed the problem. I believe as you do and are on the right track, I think the lee die would work with your elect tape or business card shim if the bullet could be set straight up and down, then with light pressure press it in a little, then turn the case 1/3 and press it in a little, then turn the case another 1/3 until the bullet is seated, But, let's see if the new seating die works from RCBS- Peace dude.-Dave
Sometimes the meplat of the bullet isn't properly shaped to seat squarely into the bullet seating stem. Lee has a custom option for you to get a bullet seating stem "Custom cut" for your particular bullet tip. This may help.
I have gotten sub-MOA 10-shot groups from a chrome-lined M4 barrel using a Lee seating die, and many more around 1 1/8" with a variety of OTM bullets. Similar results with .308 MatchKings from Ranier AR-10 barrel with Lee seater. Haven't fully worked that one up yet.
some good info here, i use mostly lee but for my 2 ‘shooters’ i have hornady for my .223 and RCBS for my 30-06, havent invested in a guage for run out yet…
I'll have to watch the vid where you show the runout. The way I look at it the hole in the die body guides the bullet and the stem is self correcting. And until the bullet ogive meets the stem it is centered in the bevel at the bottom of the stem chamber. I'll keep an eye on this as I'm new with this seater and just did a batch of .223 that I was very happy with the function of the die.
I have the same problem... I am seating 62gr. Barnes TTSx in 223... 80 % seat crooked... Lee Pacesetter dies? Its got me... IS IT THE DIE OR THE SHAPE OF THE BULLET???
I’m like Mr. Treen I have the Lee Die plus I mainly use my RCBS seating die . I’m going to have to see what’s going on. as everyone know I really don’t have much money to just be able to run out and purchase a new die every time I need one so I really like the Business card trick
These dies will seat absolutely perfect every time no need for a runout indicator.... the reason for this is because the cases will index in the die right at the case mouth and the seater is firmly indexed on the top of the adjustment dial. If the case is trimmed too short or if the cam over is not adjusted perfectly, the case will not index in the die perfectly. You can see how this works if you disassemble the die and shove empty brass up in there and take a look at how the case mouth makes contact with the die. The whole tape around the deal thing is a joke lol
I was thinking of an interior cut in the bottom of the adjusting cap for an 'O' ring too...but there's other questionable alignment issues in that die...I don't know I'd put any more time in it. I've seen this lately but haven't seen anyone rating it's work yet...'Frankfort Arsenal Universal Seating die' looks to be made like my custom RCBS with even more combinations and I like the front feed window. Here's a link to it. www.midwayusa.com/product/1022385148?pid=982380
Well, im jist beginning but, even using flat nose 9mm, ive noticed they still don't load fully centered, never really put much thought into it till I seen this video, its just for plinking and enjoyment but, im still paying attention to all this
Just after i start the bullet in the case i take pressure off the bullet press down slowly lift off again and finish seating. It has worked for me. I don't check my bullets for run either. I also use a crimp die and they that will straighten the bullet. I don't know if dose but i know it doesn't hurt it.
I have had this issue with their 9mm and 45 ACP dies. The 44 mag seating die didn't give me this issue. My biggest frustration with all my Lee seating dies is just how inconsistent the seating depth is. I get the overall length I need and I'll do a check after a few rounds and find out the length has changed. I'll adjust it back to where I want it and it'll change again.
That's a bullet issue, not a die issue. Get a hornady bullet comparator and you'll see that the base to ogive measurement (the length measurement that really matters) is much more consistent. All of my Lee seaters give me seating depths within plus or minus 1-2 thousandths when measured base to ogive.
I had the same problem loading new starline brass... I had to full length resize the new brass and then all the bullets loaded straight... I did not know new brass had to be resized???
I have the same problem... I am seating 62gr. Barnes TTSx in 223... 80 % seat crooked... Lee Pacesetter dies? Its got me... IS IT THE DIE OR THE SHAPE OF THE BULLET???
The cone shape inside the die body automatically centers the anvil.
Works for me with .001 or less run-out
Hey, good luck with that, Back in the day when I used hobby type lube/sizer machines, the Lyman and RCBS lube Matic. I would get more swaging off to one side than the other on the bullet. it was all because the top punches and die configuring is faulty, you set the bullet on top of the sizing die and then with the top punch force it down into the sizing die, ANY misaligning of the bullet before you force it down in would cause this off-center swaging to happen. it was almost impossible to do it straight every time, the pressure it takes from the nose causes the bullet to enter misaligned and stay that way through the process. That is why I commented on what I said in the last video. On the lube/size machine, all I did was first turn the bullet upside down and size it, the turn the bullet right side up to apply lube. That fixed the problem. I believe as you do and are on the right track, I think the lee die would work with your elect tape or business card shim if the bullet could be set straight up and down, then with light pressure press it in a little, then turn the case 1/3 and press it in a little, then turn the case another 1/3 until the bullet is seated, But, let's see if the new seating die works from RCBS- Peace dude.-Dave
That's how I did the rest of the bullets. Seat a little, turn it some seat a little more.
@@sixshootertexan I would try it with the elec tape or the business card shim thing. that would take most of that misalignment out, I would think.
Sometimes the meplat of the bullet isn't properly shaped to seat squarely into the bullet seating stem. Lee has a custom option for you to get a bullet seating stem "Custom cut" for your particular bullet tip. This may help.
I must be lucky. I use the Lee die for.308 and never had a problem with it. I can see where it’s possible for it to get cocked off to one side.
I have gotten sub-MOA 10-shot groups from a chrome-lined M4 barrel using a Lee seating die, and many more around 1 1/8" with a variety of OTM bullets.
Similar results with .308 MatchKings from Ranier AR-10 barrel with Lee seater. Haven't fully worked that one up yet.
some good info here, i use mostly lee but for my 2 ‘shooters’ i have hornady for my .223 and RCBS for my 30-06, havent invested in a guage for run out yet…
Used lee products for years never gad a issue
I'll have to watch the vid where you show the runout. The way I look at it the hole in the die body guides the bullet and the stem is self correcting. And until the bullet ogive meets the stem it is centered in the bevel at the bottom of the stem chamber. I'll keep an eye on this as I'm new with this seater and just did a batch of .223 that I was very happy with the function of the die.
I have the same problem... I am seating 62gr. Barnes TTSx in 223... 80 % seat crooked... Lee Pacesetter dies? Its got me... IS IT THE DIE OR THE SHAPE OF THE BULLET???
I’m like Mr. Treen I have the Lee Die plus I mainly use my RCBS seating die . I’m going to have to see what’s going on. as everyone know I really don’t have much money to just be able to run out and purchase a new die every time I need one so I really like the Business card trick
After watching a Lee video they say that float is intentional. Would the coating catch the sides better than a copper jacket or plain hard lead?
I agree that’s a good theory I never thought of that I do like the business card trick
These dies will seat absolutely perfect every time no need for a runout indicator.... the reason for this is because the cases will index in the die right at the case mouth and the seater is firmly indexed on the top of the adjustment dial. If the case is trimmed too short or if the cam over is not adjusted perfectly, the case will not index in the die perfectly. You can see how this works if you disassemble the die and shove empty brass up in there and take a look at how the case mouth makes contact with the die. The whole tape around the deal thing is a joke lol
Wow, I can definitely see where that would cause runout. Yikes. Let us know how the RCBS does for ya! Thanks for sharing.
I canceled the RCBS dies and ordered a FA seater die.
I was thinking of an interior cut in the bottom of the adjusting cap for an 'O' ring too...but there's other questionable alignment issues in that die...I don't know I'd put any more time in it. I've seen this lately but haven't seen anyone rating it's work yet...'Frankfort Arsenal Universal Seating die' looks to be made like my custom RCBS with even more combinations and I like the front feed window. Here's a link to it.
www.midwayusa.com/product/1022385148?pid=982380
I may go ahead and get one of those. I can use it for other calibers too.
Never had any issues so far
Well, im jist beginning but, even using flat nose 9mm, ive noticed they still don't load fully centered, never really put much thought into it till I seen this video, its just for plinking and enjoyment but, im still paying attention to all this