How fast can you go in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2?
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- The faster the ride, the better. Today we abuse all sorts of glitches and cheats to go as fast as possible.
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Traveling faster than the speed of sound is only 3.21 excitement. Tough crowd.
I mean being ripped apart by space and time isnt very exciting
Tbf, dead people aren’t normally the excited type
You would expect that people that like those extreme trill's would have learned to swim at some point in their life...
"I want to go on something more thrilling than mach 1.17"
It's hard to get excited when your brain is goo and physically incapable of experiencing excitement anymore.
>Heartline twister coaster breaks all known laws of physics, zipping around at relativistic speeds
>Excitement rating: 2.83
Marcel: Told you, Heartline Twister Coaster is the worst roller coaster.
No wonder the long-awaited 0.40 update to OpenRCT2 made the stats "Less Hateful."
well not only did it break the laws of physics it also broke the riders spines
I noticed that when I was playing the game recently. It seems that the faster a lift hill is, the less exciting a ride is. Perhaps it's a suspense thing, where the anticipation of reaching the summit and the drop that follows is cut short by a faster lift hill.
"Bending the laws of physics would be more enjoyable with some flowers or something..."
-Guest 1963
Looks like the top speed is 65,535 mph, or 105,468 km/h. The speed seems to flip between low-ish and 100,000 km/h, which indicates to me that it's overflowing back and forth. If I recall correctly, we can see that internally, speed is tracked as an integer in mph, because the km/h display skips over certain numbers consistently. It's akin to weather apps never displaying certain temperatures in ºF, because they track temperatures as integers in ºC internally before translating it to ºF for display.
You're probably right. I assumed everything was in meters/second as the stat requirements for top speed are stated in m/s.
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65,535 is 2^16-1, a.k.a. the 16 bit integer limit. this is why its the maximum mass setting and the highest possible speed in the (in-game) base units of mi/h.
Exactly what I was going to say. For those who don't understand, 65,535 is the limit of possible values within 2 bytes.
However, it is going back and forth, it's overflowing, so it's going ABOVE this value and the bits are written wrong. That is, theoretically the kart is above that, but we cannot see the real value unless the game code is changed to store the speed with 4 or more bytes
Conclusion: Top speed is HIGHER than 105,468 km/h.
@@MarcelVos weren’t you the one who recorded those to begin with? You sorta coined the term.
I'm imagining a guest riding the go-kart of doom at Mach 2, his face being peeled off his head as he goes ever faster. Eventually, the ride comes to an end and he gets off, a bloody shambling horror with only one thought: "I can't wait to ride Go Karts 1 Again!"
Cool ride but not as good as Phoenix
Grim poetry
THIS IS MY KART! IT WAS MADE FOR ME!
"I want to get off Go Karts 1!"
"Go Karts 1 was great!"
"This path is really clean and tidy!"
"Go Karts 1 is really good value!"
You underestimate the insane durability of rollercoaster tycoon guests.
14:15 That Double Deck Obersvation returning to station on that track made me laugh so hard
I chocked when I saw it, this video was already funny enough and I was eating yogurt and died. My ghost is typing this.
The names of the rides in that shot are worth a laugh too.
"Particle Accelerator"
"Obser-WEEEEEEEEEEEEE-tion Tower 1"
"Mr. Mouse's Wild Ride"
whats a ginger like you doing here? ... then again, you're doing that RCT Classic series.
Should we be surprised? It's Marcel after all... ;-)
@@karnewarrior Sadly, Rapid Transit isn't visible. A River Rapids ride with the tram cars.
14:16 - that double deck observation tower casually sliding along the freefall track made me laugh a lot, especially because it's not even close to the weirdest thing in this video!
Marcel: Creates a teleporting Go-kart ride where the karts reach twice the speed of sound.
Marcel: Now things get weird.
And he was right, too!
Legend has it that the RCT3 universe came into being as an unintended consequence of reckless go-kart particle accelerator experiments.
"Don't question it. Just go with it."
Well, they are Go-karts.
I didn't catch that pun lol 😂
@@ZeldaACFan17 Neither did I.
Well, now that@@ZeldaACFan17 has pointed it out: 🤦🤦🤦
There will always be that one guest saying: "I want something more exciting than Go-karts 1."
i love every instance in this game that would literally disintegrate anyone who experiences them
Meanwhile the guests can't even swim for whatever reason. Rides that tear through the space time continuum? No problem! Swimming? Ew no.
yeah 85+ Mach in an open top coaster no problem, fell in the water 5 seconds ago death
@@T-Dawg123a Iron Shoes, Tungsten Spines
I'm guessing a go cart at that speed would ignite the air around it creating a ring of superheated plasma
@@denverkweh1642 They're virtually indestructible, but weak to water. They're basically Bruce Willis' character in Unbreakable.
My favorite part of this video is 12:02 where it is revealed that traveling at 12,464 KM/H at literal body disintegrating speeds the ride is given an intensity rating of 7.86, meaning guests will actually WANT to ride it and pay the maximum ticket price lmao.
Lol true, but with a nausea rating of 176, you'd need dozens of first aid rooms next to the exit (or a lot of janitors)
But CAN they even ride it?
Is nobody going to mention how ultra-extremely EXCITING it is to have your body disintegrated? 200+ excitement rating is absolutely insane, especially for such a low intensity rating lol
This video was great. There were like 10 moments of "But wait, there's more!", every time becoming more and more ridiculous.
13:39 given that the top speed in mph is 65356, which is very close to 65535, i assume they save the speed as a mph in an unsigned 16 bit short integer. which means that, even if you can get the math working higher, i dont think a speed of 65536+ would be possible- at least, it wouldnt be able to display.
yep, wanted to say the same. Max weight limit = max speed in mph :)
I wonder what would happen if you changed it to use a 64 bit integer
@@DogsRNice Either time travel or we discover some new forms of physics.
Marcel Vos inventing the mass effect in Rollercoaster Tycoon is probably the most improbable things I could have seen, but I'm not complaining.
I legitimately appreciate you starting the video by giving the "correct" answer in the first 20 seconds
Well that's only my record. Someone else beat it by something like 2 km/h by replacing the vertical drops with steep drops.
@@MarcelVos just curious, could you exploit the half corkscrew coding where you gain more speed than youre supposed to, by using those instead of a flat to down transition at the crest of each hill to squeeze a few more km/h out of the non-cheated version?
@@chriso1373 No. The empty train on the tallest hills (with no support limits) goes 368 km/h while with the corkscrew/half loop it goes only 360 km/h.
@@MarcelVos well im glad you tried it and can tell me for sure before i wasted my time on it 🤣
I'm amazed the camera still tracks the cars very well despite going faster the speed of sound.
Of course. The camera operator is always invincible.
Never doubt the power of Lakitu.
The cameraman has been assigned one job and he is not going to deviate from that job description
Ye olde programming techniques
Excellent software development ☺️
The station brakes failing is completely insane. Can't believe all we needed to reach warp 10 was to play RCT2
Hopefully we dont turn into salamanders and try to fuck our boss who has also turned into a salamander
Dude. That episode never existed and the warp ten barrier has yet to be broken.
@@kirrimkerman8784 I want to go on something more thrilling than Enterprise 1 traveling at warp 10
@kirrimkrrman 8784. “Shuttlecraft Cochran looks too -intense- _friggin’ weird_ for me!”
Oh my gosh I remember figuring out that you could do -1 cars and dying of laughter. I was going to comment about this glitch but then I watched until the end. That poor Go Kart guest is probably experiencing every universe's birth and death every 0.01 seconds.
Can we appreciate how well this is programmed since it keeps on going with all those weird calculations and no crashes?
-1 cars not crashing absolutely surprised me. Well done, whatever it is WAS done
I wonder whether having a mass of 0 breaks the game (ie. The massless particles = speed of light)
Chris Sawyer is a god
@@WingMaster562 Even more impressive is that he wrote RCT1 and RCT2 in assembly without a compiler
@@An_Actual_Ditto Little bit of semantics here, but he did use a compiler for the assembly code he wrote. It's still incredibly impressive he wrote it all in assembly, but he would have had to compile it to machine code some way.
I love how at a high enough speed, rollercoasters will just jump off the tracks to cut corners
I haven’t looked at the code, but I’d guess the physics engine is still 20 fps, so when the game is slowed down, the rendering system has to interpolate everything between frames. So, at 1/4 speed, the renderer only knows the actual values every 4 frames and has to guess what they’d be in between.
Essentially, all the renderer knows is that at frame X, the cart is here, and at X+4, it’s now here, and it has to guess: where does it go at frame X+1? Obviously floating off the track!
10:30 That extra car is called a “zero car”. Technically all B&M coasters have them, although those on Hyper, Sitting, and Standing coasters which don’t seat any guests. Their Inverted, Flying and Wing coaster trains’ zero cars seat guests although there are some exceptions to the rule like Manta, Flying Dinosaur, and Alpengeist.
Floorless coasters don't have zero cars.
105180 km/hr = 29216 m/s
If 60 frames per second, then
29216 m/s = 487 m/frame
So if the track is less than 487 meters long, you are actually doing a full lap (or more!) every frame. If the track is exactly the right length, it would look like the car isn't moving at all, kinda like the optical illusion you get when looking at car wheels as they start spinning faster.
My favorite spinning things illusion is when it appears to slowly turn the other way
i think the game runs at 40fps, but I don't remember correctly
I love how this video goes from "here is a detailed explanation for why this happens" to "this makes no sense at all and I have no idea why it does this"
I really like the style you've been doing lately of giving the "real" answer right away, and using the rest of the video to elaborate 👍
Agreed
Lately?
He always did that?
The "Arriving at Station" Bug is awesome. Had a good laugh
Correction on the speed fluctuations for the weight of 1: they aren’t nearly as random as they at first appear. If you’d look at the speed in mph, which I presume is what is used internally, you’ll note the highest one you’ve seen is at the 16-bit unsigned integer limit. You’ll also note that the speed tends to go upwards at a mostly constant rate until it goes above 104,000 km/h, at which point it almost always drops back down to speeds below 2,000. It’s just an integer overflow.
Sure, there are a few jumps, but those are just blips, and the next time speed is checked it’s always where it would be if the pattern held.
so it doesn't really go back and forth, it just keeps increasing and overflows the pointer multiple times.
I love when you make a ride train so long that guests glitch out and start walking off of the station platform to climb into the cars not parked at the station itself lol
As soon as you said "a length of -1" I started laughing and I didn't stop laughing until the end of the video. This is freaking hilarious well done
Hazarding a guess, when you lower the weight of a vehicle in motion, it increases in speed because it's carrying the same momentum from when it was heavier. It takes more force to change the speed of a heavier vehicle, which is why the static ingame force of friction has less impact. When a heavy vehicle is moving at a certain speed, it's carrying a large volume of momentum with it. When that vehicle suddenly loses all its weight, that same force continues propelling it and now has much less resistance.
That sounds plausible, but shouldn't it lose speed and settle at a lower equilibrium after it speeds up?
@@MarcelVos i would guess the game is simply confused at that point and doesn't have any real way to rectify that mid ride, as it would never come up in actual gameplay.
Under this theory, if the weight were then to increase again and increase the momentum and inertia, could the weight then be decreased again stacking the glitch on itself?
@@MarcelVos I guess the new equilibrium speed is just unreachable. As discussed on other comments, the speed in the game is probably capped at 65535 mph (the 16 bit integer limit), so it overflows back to slower numbers and keeps looping. It tries it hardest to reach the new equilibrium speed, but it can't as it lies beyond the 16 bit integer limit. Hey, looks like the RCT universe has its own cosmic speed limit, 65535 mph! And things start to go crazy when you come near it, or try to go beyond it.
2:48
Imagine the ungodly amount of whiplash you’d get from that…
this was an amazing video 😂
it sure was
Poof you should play some RCT sometime.
Now I am wondering if the guest "cheat" names are driving even faster. Depends on how it's implemented, but if it's just a multiplication, maybe Michael Schumacher drives even faster in Rct2!
The max speed seems to hit an integer overflow, so you would likely get the lower speed number to be higher when it fluctuates. However, if it somehow does go even faster, that's hilarious and horrifying
Shoutout to the camera guy keeping up with the gokarts. The one who is truly the fastest in the game
I like that double deck observation tower casually returning from 3 digit speeds at 14:22
You've really outdone yourself on this one. This is amazing in every way, you don't even need to be an RCT fan of sorts to appreciate the research and presentation.
Negative cars makes perfect sense! They're just made of negative mass matter, aka the stuff you need to generate a warp bubble. Go karts, engage!
Marcel keeps answering questions I do not ask nor would ever have and I'm here for it
I can’t say how much I loved this video. I’ve watched it 3 times already and this is my 4th time. You are an incredible commentator and you explain things so clearly. Keep up the good work and you’ll reach 200k subs easily!
I know I achieved theoretical light speed in RCT3. In practice the car says it’s only going 4267km/h, but the loop is so small (about 48m long) that it returns before it leaves. The restraints close and there’s the sound of it dispatching then the restraints open and the 8 guests that were on walk off as a single permanently fused 4D being.
Sorry, had to find the video and fact check myself to get those.
The "little thing" up front is either called the zero car or null car depending on which enthusiast you talk to. :)
7:42 - Marcel: "This is only the start, as now things will get really weird."
Also Marcel: *Go Karts teleporting around the track like it's Dragon Ball Z*
12:05 Interestingly enough, even though the stat window displays the top speed as 12,464 km/h, if you progress the video frame by frame while the car is in motion, you can actually see that the car reaches speeds of up to 104,000 km/h! I guess the game just doesnt have enough time to process the actual top speed lol
I found a frame at 11:59 that looks like it is 183,900-some km/h. Though that could be the different speeds blending together.
EDIT: And another of around 503,000 km/h, again, that is probably number blurring together.
14:15 When that observation tower came into the screen I laughed my ass off
14:17 the observation deck casually slides into the DMs
can you add the Michael Schumacher / Damon Hill name of guest Easter Egg for even faster speeds ?
Nope, I tried and it doesn't work.
The "tiny little thing on the front" is generally referred to as the 'zero car'
Marcel: "What ride can go even faster?"
Me: "Carousel?"
I think Marcel discovered quantum physics within RCT with the negative 1 car length. He should get a Nobel prize for this!
This video helped me understand the concept of both antimatter and gravity wells in our universe.
Ok, so curiosity sent me to google and after some quick searches I found some interesting things. Apparently RCT 2 (I'm assuming open RCT2)calculates speed exclusively in mph. I say this because 65535 is the maximum number an unsigned 16 bit value can have without ticking over to 0. As a fun fact 255 (max cars on a ride) is the biggest 8 bit value. Edit typo.
That would also explain why you sometimes cannot set chain lift speeds in increments of 1, e.g. the options are 6, 8, 9 and 11 km/h or 4, 5, 6 and 7 mph
I suppose that's because Chris Sawyer is Scottish. The United Kingdom still uses miles and miles per hour.
4:01 omg you really ran this ride for 161 minutes... a true hero
10:33 That car in front of the coaster train is normally called a zero car.
Marcel Vos: Here's how you can take the car ride and transform it in an hypersonic missile launch pad.
Putin: *furiously takes note*
Funniest video I've seen in weeks, I was already crying and that Observation tower cart rolling along to a station in the background near did me in :D
I was pretty relieved when I reached the point in the video where the White Twister Coaster was gone... watching the train zoom around on the white track with the white supports really hurt my eyes. :D
Other than that this was, as always, an amazing and interesting watch. It's just baffles me every single time in how many and what ways RCT can be broken. Just adds to its charm really.
This channel is like the Mythbusters of RCT2, once he achieves what is possible using the game mechanics, he then goes further with cheats to explore the absolute answer to the question at hand.
my thinking for the gokarts's weird top speed behaviour when you decrease the weight is the bifurcation diagram, which at first grows slower and slower, but at a certain point speeds up again rapidly, and then becomes chaotic after a certain point
These rides are like tortures from Hell of a creative demon.
A go cart that goes 65 thousand miles per hour.
Somewhere, Jeremy Clarkson has had a crisis.
Me: welp I'm glad we've settled on the maximum speed
Marcel: but there's just one more thing...
Hands down my favorite video from Marcel.
"Whoa! What the hell was that?" "Go-Karts 1... they've gone to plaid!"
_meanwhile the guest riding Go-Karts 1 be like_
"MY BRAINS... ARE GOING INTO MY FEET...!"
Before I found your channel, I didn't realize the extent to which you could break this game lol. Awesome stuff! This is hilarious!
14:15 lmao the random spinning observatory car on the LIM launch ride ha ha. Imagine being in that with no seatbelts!!!!!
"We're gonna have to go right to...ludicrous speed!"
"Ludicrous speed? Sir we've never gone that fast before. I'm not sure the ship can take it!"
Hands down, the best video yet! Excellent research and demonstrations.
This video OPENS with the fastest speed you can achieve playing fairly. Things only get weirder from there.
Oh hey
@@pigfish99 Oh hey yourself lmao
If the speed variable in the game code only goes up to a 16bit value, then you'll never be able to go faster than what was achieved here without modding the game itself to track higher speeds with a larger variable range.
I love all your videos but this one was especially entertaining. So insane!
This is just madness and I love it. After a while of thinking about it the game might have an absolute limit in its speed due to game engine limitations, if the game uses 16 bit integers the absolute limit would be 65,536-1 which if the limit hits 65,536 it rolls to the negatives due to an overflow error. So if the ride reaches a top speed at an integer value of 65,535+1 it wouldn't be 65,536, but it would be -65,535 and counts up to 0 and goes back to its 16 bit integer limit it causes an overflow loop. Great video Marcel! This is the content I love, math+science+absolute madness=100%!
I think this my favorite video of yours, this is hilariously bonkers and well done :D
Just amazing with all these interesting facts that I could never replicate back in the old days. Please keep up the good work!
Finally, a car ride with high excitement!
This is the best video I've seen in 2022 to date. Incredible!
This was hilarious. Great video and analysis!
Would the Go-Kart speed guest name cheats have an effect on the interstellar go-karts you created?
wow did not expect how in depth this video is. So fascinating!
This is amazing :D I really laugh. You made 1 person smile here today
I can only imagine the chaos a teleportation roller coaster would bring to " building a park with your suggestions" (still can't get over the trolley whitewater rapids🤣)
Man this video is a masterpiece, it sets a new milestone in RCT history!
2:18 seeing all the peeps hop off the ride with their hands over their mouths cracked me up
This is one of your best videos this is brilliant!
dude, bravo. that's all i can say. absolutely love your videos. amazing stuff.
The 'Arriving at station' thing is great! I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more footage with that.
Great finds; it would be really interesting to see _why_ this works like it does! You certainly missed some stuff in your search, which is very understandable.
I think "I'll leave that as an exercise for the viewer" in this case means "There's TONS of variables and there's no way I can try them all". :D
Fun video. :)
Marcel is an absolute madlad and I'm here for every minute of it
dude, you are hilarious. i appreciate your love of this game.
I have never played this game. But I can't stop watching these videos.
Excellently made video, keep the good work up!
A coaster-car with imaginary mass travelling at absurd speeds, the Tachyonic Anti-Car. A ride so fun that it seems like it ends before it even starts, because it does!
the negative cars make sense, it is predicted than an object with negative mass can only travel above the speed of light
Ok, I'm going with this interpretation lmao
10:35 That is known as a "zero car" and all trailered coaster trains will have one. The Arrow/Vekoma Corkscrew coaster has it in back, as does the Suspended Looping Coaster and several others. Even the Intamin hyper coaster trains have one, though it is hidden in the fiberglass chassis of the front of the train.
B&M floorless and inverted trains mount seats on the zero car, which means that there is limited movement capabilities between the first and second row of seats (specifically, torsion and not much else). This is why the first row of the trains IRL never seem to flex as much as the others when viewed in profile.
Great video mate. Imagine being on those rides!
You're a madman.. A absolute madman.. And i love it :)
Could it be that the kart is moving so fast that it loops around the track so many times that it just looks like it standing still?
Great video. Always very entertaining. Keep up the great work.
super cool video marcel!
Loved this, thank you!
Incredible. I was laughing my ass off the whole time. Bravo.