FLSUN S1 3D Printer - is it TOO FAST?!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The new FLSUN S1 is by far the fastest 3D Printer I've ever used but is it too fast?
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If you’re looking for a more technical look at the S1 make sure you watch Nathan Builds Robots video
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If I had to guess, it would seem that you’d need to tune it to slow down for certain parts of the print while retaining the fast print for others - ( take advantage of of the speed while maintaining the fine print control)
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"It's not how fast you print, it's how well you print fast." -- John Deere, kinda.
what is the point in printing fast if it turns out garbage..
exactly.
To flex
If you you’re going to fail, fail fast.
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If you know how to and with the right printer like my vz bot with a super high flow hotend faster than this printing voron parts that snap together perfectly while printing fast with quality
Will you test T1? I have a T1 and have been using it for three weeks , super fast , I don’t know why so many people criticize its 1000mm/s. Why are machines with a default configuration of 250mm/s allowed to advertise 600mm/s, but machines with a default configuration of 600mm/s are not allowed to advertise 1000mm/s? 600mm/s and 1000mm/s are just movement speed, We need to discern whether the true value of the product meets our own needs, instead of just complaining and touting .
Remember with deltas, the advertised height of build volume is only directly in the middle. Build volume isn’t a perfect cylinder. Its a dome at the top
3 rods will always give "3-dimensional" effects to layer lines - so it will produce an individual texture by concept.
Holy moly, that things is massive...
always a good day when Uncle Jessy
Looks like it needs some refinemnt before considering purchasing.The noise levels seems to be the biggest negative factor to me. The rest can be resolved with future firmware and slicer tweaks.
They need to make a printer profile for Orca slicer
So far for multicolor I go to my P1s and for speed I use my Flsun S1 .
In my opinion I expect to see the S1 start off pretty rough. It is going to take Flsun or the community a while to really refine the slicer settings for this printer. A similar thing happened with the v400, their original firmware for it had some issues and had big issues on the dimensional accuracy. The latest firmware, which took almost a year fixed all the issues. Again my experience and my opinion
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love this thing and would love to try a delta printer but no way I'm paying that price, just too much for my budget
You don´t need to spend that much to get the Delta experience, you can buy the V400 and get all the problems for a lot less :-)
I gave away my V400 for free when I got the X1C....
@@christiantrab6160 I have the cheaper cousin of the x1, the p1p, and I thought that thing was too expensive, however it's been worth it and spoiled me for trusting another printer from anyone else
Ta drukarka to same problemy. Nic więcej.
Strata pieniędzy, czasu i zdrowia.
Nie wiem ile ci zapłacili żeby takie rzeczy wygadywać o tym złomie.
Nie chcę jej nawet za 100$.
Now can you review the t1? The s1 is now $1500 and the t1 is $600 it might get more people to buy it because it is less than half the price and it still goes 1000mm/s
Seems like the volumetirc flow isnt good enough to match the speed and accel, in the blue prints time-lapse it looks like the infill is very under extruded
I don't really care about speed over quality
To some degree no.
Just came from a stock ender 3 v2 to a bambu lab A1.
Yes the overal quality is so much better. But having to wait 1 hour instead of 4 hours when im designing something and need to prototype is a freaking godsend and the reason why i wanted a faster printer..
But i do believe that at some point being faster doesnt matter as much anymore.
I attempted slowing down and it makes textures Worse. Called salmon skin, not entirely sure how to get rid of it though. Same goes with going faster again things get worse.
You can see it has smooth idlers for some reason. Also found on the SR and v400. I would have understood it if they were using bearing stacks for longevity at the cost of print quality, but there is no excuse for using smooth idlers on the teethed side of belts. I would bet you can see an improvement with teethed idlers
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 Good point actually. I think creality did the same on the K1 series of their printers, used smooth idlers on teethed belts.
whats the point of those speeds when it looks like trash?
Quick prototypes
The IP address is coming from your DHCP server - nothing that FLSUN can do to change that. If your other DHCP printers have been getting the same IP address after a reboot, it's been the luck of the draw. That's why you can (and should) assign an IP address to a MAC address in your router's DHCP settings if the device is a regular citizen of your WIFI network.
Price on the S1 is worth it, but is a bit out of my pocketbook range, but ... I see that the Super Racer is on sale for $299, making it a possibility.
Agreed BUT my main callout was about the slicer not allowing you to change it once set. You have to delete the printer and add it new again.
@@UncleJessy Yep, I misunderstood your point there and THAT is a problem. I discovered this with the current OrcaSlicer 2.1.0 beta and the just released 2.1.0., so not just their version. I also learned that you have to delete and re-add the printer (which is why I know about the DHCP MAC assignment) because I added a new Sonic Pad that I'd not set the fixed DHCP address for yet 😬.
Even if the IP address is not static, they could still deal with that. They just need to search for the printer within the network instead of expecting it to always show up with the same IP address. For instance, Apple uses Bonjour for this. It finds local printers and other Apple devices regardless of their IP. I believe there's a similar mechanism used on Windows/Linux, I can't remember the name right now.
I agree that setting a static IP is simplest solution and that's what I do for my devices. But most people don't know about IP addresses, DHCP, etc. On the other hand, one might argue that this is targeted more at businesses than hobbyists.
@@zmast333 Now THAT is something that the printer manufacturer can fix - install the avahi tools for mDNS discovery.
Your son has a presentation in the summer 9:25
Use Orca, load FLsun V400. Change the volume (as the V400 is smaller) copy your gcode from the Flsun slicer and paste into your orca slicer.
It will print far better..
Thx goodness for this review ..we won't be getting this cr@p
It's pronounced Florida Sun. At least that's what I'm going with.
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"$1,499.00" it's a no for me mate. Vertical is the weakest layer option too. Prints will be weak
Definitely more niche but the price isn't too bad once they fix some of the issues with software updates
@@sodakan676 1500 for the weakest printing orientation?
Feels like they copied a bunch of tech from others and didn't test it properly
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Looks like it has potential, but yet another printer rushed to market that is half baked and the early adopters are actually beta testers. Have to wonder how much longer this nonsense will be tolerated by the community? Options for fast, quality printers are no longer limited and these companies really need to step up their game and stop releasing these before they are ready. They advertise AI, but then tell you to disable it. That is patently false advertising, and we as consumers should not reward it with our hard earned dollars.
I don't think the bed is 320 x 320, it's not square. it's just a 320 diameter.
La taille du carré maximal est environ 22,63 cm de côté.
@@jeje3d546That’s just under 9 inches (for Americans)
Its 320 circle diameter he said it wrong.
I'm more then positive this was the sound i was hearing in the background in your recent videos
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This guy give me Rick Grimes vibes lol 😅
A giant, ultra loud, high speed printer (that can't actually print fast) with a clunky version of a slicer that has been around for years with profiles that don't work and they're charging $200 more? WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE?!
I expect that the "texture" you are experiencing is due to the stepper motors microstepping resolution. Unlike standard x-y-z slignbed or xy-yx-z corexy configurations, deltas are a z-z-z configuration. So the kinematics of the arms' parallelogram create axises that behave as arcs. Hense the carbon fiber 45 degree texture. In other words, the step-drivers need tuning. Try printing a cylinder.
I owned the V400 from FLSUN, and I will try to keep away from any of their products in the future. I’ve had so many issues out of nowhere with the quality. The supports kept failing over and over for no reason. The filament wouldn’t stick to the plate. The leveling procedure was DUMB and didn’t keep the nozzle level even for a couple of small prints (z-offset kept getting off randomly). I’m not even talking about the lack of accuracy, which is a common problem for deltas. Software and support feel like a 'basement factory' amateur. It's a huge headache. No, thank you, I’ll stick to Bambulabs.
Yep, same here, gave away the V400 for free, when I got the X1C.
same here. had nothing but issues with 2 of their printers. very frustrating, I broke my last one by beating it to death.
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So, slow the print speed to something more normal and use Orca Slicer and I'm guessing it would be maybe 75% better, just with doing those things. And FLSUN supposedly just released a big firmware update to correct a bunch of issues with this printer, so it would be interesting to see a follow up video on how those changes may (or may not) have improved this machine. The issue with the profiles sounds like FLSUN is playing catch-up and maybe fielded the product too soon. I'm hoping they'll just ditch their slicer and develop solid profiles for Orca for everybody to use. If they could dial-in this thing to X1C-level user experience and print quality, I'd order one ASAP. I just love the delta design. I don't care so much about the speed, especially since it seems to come at the expense of quality. Better to take a little longer and have a nice result than to go really fast and have the result look like garbage...or fail altogether.
Thats the problem I find with Nikko Industries, all the files are out of scale and it's such a pain when you have a build plate full of parts, it's quite hard to determine how much to scale it, and then he won't reply to messages when you ask about it.
It looks very promising. The failing supports are easy to solve in the slicer settings, so FLSun should just do that to their presets. Slower acceleration and jerk for support and a bit lower print speed. But the issue where supports, fail to adhere to the bed especially tree supports, is due to the acceleration and jerk settings.
How can you say those prints look good? They look absolutely unacceptable.
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Just looking at it, it doesn't look like it should move that fast. Talk about looks may be deceiving!!! LMAO
Looks amazing, but...does _any_ manufacturer's "AI" functionality actually work? At some point, somebody's going to have to sue one of them to stop them advertising the bullshit functionality that can't be relied on and plain doesn't work as advertised.
only thing i have seen work is the clog detector
Multiple people in the facebook group have said the AI spaghetti detection worked for them. Perhaps it was the firmware build he was on.
Why did they make the spool compartment so small? Seems stupid to make it that tight when there appears to be acres of room on the top of the machine.
Thank you for posting this! I've been waiting (impatiently haha) since I saw your unboxing! I ordered one at the sale price and I'm hoping it ships soon! I'm glad to know you are getting feedback, back to them. It seems like they hurried to get this out the door ahead of the Prusa HT90 and whatever Bambu comes out with next. A lot of the problems people seem to be having with it are all software - whether it's the slicer or the firmware. I also heard the install of klipper and mainsail on it are old versions too and they haven't unlocked SSH yet either. But with it being so brand new, I can't help but hope that a year from now, this will all be old news? The fact that it's already sold out again I hope is a good sign! Thank you for continuing to use it despite the issues and for sending your feedback to them, I'm sure it's helping!
protonus....LOOL FLSUN?
It's incredible how good the Bambu prints look. I got a Flsun SR for myself one year ago and upgraded to a Bambu P1. The print quality, as well as the print profiles, are so much better on the P1. I will never go back
i like fast printers
And I cannot lie.
I wonder if the weird texture is due to vibration at the higher speed? Maybe they need some kind of damper base/pad if it can't compensate enough for it. Bambu has the feet, just a theory
I don't own a 3d printer (yet,) but own multiple laser engravers. Don't know if this could apply to 3d printers, but is worth mentioning. I was getting strange lines in my engravings across all my machines, so I knew it couldn't be a calibration or mechanical issue. After much toiling and gnashing of teeth, i realized it was the shitty/old wiring in my shop. I ended up having to put my lasers behind battery backups to smooth out the power they were getting and weird lines went away.
still gets it and super slow speeds
I have the older v400. I have so many top layer print issues
Me too, that really is a tinker machine - I have the X1C and I don't tinker. I use the v400 for fitment drafts, rather, ugly, not usable, but will let me know if the print size is correct (it is at least pretty good on that) - but when I actually want a version that works - then I move to the X1C
messing with the belt tension is a nightmare unfortunately
...don't know what your print issues are but with my V400 (Orca slicer) slowing the top layer to 80 (along with the outer wall), .35 line width, monotonic line, single wall, 4 surface layers, bridging ratios of 1 and 1 and density of 80% have all resulted in beautiful top surfaces...and dry, dry, dry filament!
Are you winning son? No I am failson
FLSUN is not the same as anycubic, it's not copying and copying, I have an S1 and I really like it.
The Anycubic Predator Delta was way ahead of FLSUN.
@@petercallison5765 I mean flsun continues to innovate in high-speed printing. You can take a look at what anycubic has done. In addition to plagiarism, it is still plagiarism.
Speed is fine and all but for me quality of print is more important first over speed but that's just me. It is cool looking though.
The Mac OS version only works with the latest Apple hardware. It did not work with an Intel based system running the latest macOS( 14.5 I believe )
If the acceleration tops out at 4g (40000 mm/s^2) then you hit diminishing returns on print speed at around 300-350 mm/s. Saying it does 1200 mm/s is an EXTREME stretch.
The no replacement parts is a deal breaker
This is only a temporary issue. The printer just came out, and it's already sold out. They sell parts for all their other printers on their website. I would imagine parts will be available for this model within a few weeks as they build their stock of components back up.
14:05 You need to reserve the printer's IP in your routers DHCP server lease reservations page..... Otherwise the DHCP lease will expire and your printer will get handed out a new IP every 24 hours or 1 week or whatever... You should do this from a top-down perspective and not from the bottom of perspective (of reserving the IP on the printer)
It's a misleading product, crappy software, and doesn't have advertised flow rate and speeds (who would've thought)
Cough42 did a review video as well, with much the same conclusions. He did a 2nd video saying he had been allegedly Robo Commented by FLSUN or their agents. Wondering if the same happened to you? Most companies respond to Clough42 reviews with fixes, improvements, or replacement machines, not spam comments.
Cool, but to me the print quality is uneceptable considering its so much worse than a A1, that costs a tiny fraction of the cost. Maybe its a little faster, but the quality is horrendous. Shame.
I think it will have its 15 minutes of fame and then be more or less forgotten. I believe much more in the T1. The S1 is just to bulky. 🤷🏼♂️
They probably just have it in the code that for the timelapse it gives it a name and then saves it. They put an if statement saying to not overwrite if the file already exists. They probably thought this was a good idea so you dont have a bunch of time lapses and so it fills the sd card. That being said, from a 1300$ machine, you would expect a child would not be making the code and that it would simply allow you to make a certain number of time lapses and then tell you with a notification when you have too many. Just simply increment the number in the name of the file based on a variable and then have a list of the free slots. Its like 20 minutes of coding that they just skimped out on lol.
I have the V400 and due to the Delta setup (I think), the supports are knocked over much easier than on a cartesian printer. That's also why you need to use Gyroid infill, otherwise it scrapes..
I got 12 v400s and yea. Supports need to be thicker and the nozzle it comes with is trash and can cause the supports to print poorly
I have a v400 and its fine. Its better than my neptune 4 plus but worse than my bambu p1s. Definitely have to use gyroid infill. Only one that worked for me. The print quality is decent and it has good speed. I wouldn't drop a grand on this tho. Been doing a lot more resin printing these days. For me you can't beat bambu right now.
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Do you still have your S1 in the studio? Will you donate or give away these used machines?
releassing unfinished, rushed product again ... industry has to stop that really ...
Looks like someone repurpose the Deadpool Bust for that Solid Snake
same sculptor
I don't get the obsession printer manufacturers have with speed these days. Would rather they concentrate on reliability.
Every company wants to be bambu lab level of speed and quality.
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If this many false promises and failures on this machine, I would have to pass
you are not using the best infill type and percentage for supporting top layers
my AI works correct on this printer at least first layer and spaghetti that i have already tried
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With standard supports rather than organic should print much better.
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Imagine paying that much for a hot glue gun gone berzerk?
that surface artifact is so dope
Ha ha ha, I wanna see these artifacts in person
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I never buy a new printer to the market to all the bugs are worked out.
FLSUN = FLORIDA SUN ? 🤷🏼♂️
Hey @UncleJessy - great video! I want FLSUN to succeed it’s the only Delta exponent in the market and 3D Printing as a whole benefit from different systems competing - I just watched a couple of other S1 reviews, they are on par with what you felt: the machine is almost there, needs fine tuning in the profiles. About the slicer: this obsession from making their own software is maddening. QIDI also did that, it’s infuriating. Time and energy in the wrong direction. An “almost usable” slicer is a slicer nobody cares.
Proud picture of member commenting to Support on the video and the crazy guy that takes his magnetos‘s twin. I’m very glad with the innovation of this printer. I will not be buying it however, I’ll stick with my elgoo & Bambu printers for now. Be well be you.
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Saying it's 320x320x430 is very misleading because the 4 corners are not available. I wish manufacturers would push for superior print quality and high strength rather than speed.
Yeah, I dunno. It looks fast, but it doesn't look faster than a tweaked up Bambu. Apparently it does, but it doesn't visibly look faster.
But either way, it's GARGANTUAN for the build volume.
Great review, I just found the physical size of this printer ridiculous for its print capacity. This has always been the problem with Delta-style printers. Also, I am not sure what is acceptable regarding quality these days, but none of the prints of that machine would be good enough for my shop.