Hi Justin, just watched your video on dust extraction, it was brilliantly presented, very informative. I am a retired dust extraction engineer who happens to love woodworking, may I say your knowledge on the subject was excellent. I have seen many makers on UA-cam trying to tackle the subject and in many cases they get it wrong in some cases drastically wrong, you my friend are right on the money. Looking forward to your ductwork video
Oh wow thanks so much! I really fretted about this video honestly and took an extra 3 days to just double check what I was saying etc 😂 so glad to hear!
@@BitnerBuiltif you’re interested try and find a copy of “Woods Practical Guide to Fan Engineering” this book is full of information on the subject and will also help you with the design and sizing of the ductwork system. Amazon may have copies of this. Try and get the second edition, this is in imperial. I don’t know if the following additions were metric. Hope this helps.
Hi Justin , what a presentation! Thank you for a sober youtube segment. For me, at 71, your non chaotic presentations are top. Justin, in 2017 I proposed to build a DUSTLESS WOODWORKING WORKSHOP. So far I have succeeded in taming a plunge track saw on an MDF height adjustable workbench with a vacuum chanel through the sacrificial table top and a dust hose on the tool. This was a simple observation which, when put into practice, paid off. The rest of my idea is a THEORETICAL ONE. IT COMPRISES 1. A 60 sq M purpose built workshop oriented passive solar fashion to the low winter sun 2. A 3 sq M central room with dust extractors, air scrubbers and an exhausting air cleaner to either exhaust to the outside air or on cold days release air back into the workshop. 3. The space will be closed up for soundproofing. The only air entering the building, theoretically, will be from sound baffled air vents under the eves. Air scrubbers around the central room will be positioned at waist level to draw air DOWN from work benches and machinery around it. What is stopping this project is a proposed house move to a warmer climate. This is compounded by poor health and age. I hope you can see the benefits of the BASIC DESIGN BRIEF. These are less noise and air pollution in the work area with fresh, oxygenated and negatively charged air(theoretically) in which to work. All the best with your quest for a cleaner workshop.
Wow quite the epic goal there! I love it! Big fan of baffles I make them in all of my enclosures for sound proofing veneration intake and exits. I’m sure I will move up to a more pro shop at some point and all of your goals I will keep in mind for myself as well!
Hi, I wanted to let you know I have come to really love your videos! I have watched a lot of dust collection videos for woodworking shops, and this is by far one of the best! I'm looking forward to all the new videos you have coming. I get a lot of helpful tips from you--thank you!!
I've been a power tool guy for years ... the dust issue has me reaching for hand tools more and more rather than put up with the dust. Finally getting the hand of card scrapers.
I have a festool dust extractor, a Rockler dust collection system 1250CFM, both with cyclones and HEPA filters, and 2 shop vacs. I empty out bags/cans outside in the backyard. I shop stays relatively clean. Will be buying a Jet air filtration system soon. I’ve only been woodworking for a year and started with a shop vac.. but if I started again, I would save up money for proper dust collection before cutting up so much wood.
IF I was going to use a shop type vac as my starting base of air cleaning… I would use the DUSTLESS VAC. Their units are only slightly more expensive but are approved for true hepa performance as needed for asbestos removal and such. Most vacs cannot meet this standard. Thx for these videos and info. Be well!
Oh cool thanks for sharing that, hadn’t seen that model before. That plus ppe will be a great option for people just starting to make those mounds of dust!
This is a great video! You taught me a lot. I’m interested in upgrading my garage. Just a diy’er and have the good ole shop vac with a separator in front of it. I just saw another video demonstrating the HB dust extractor and it seems like a good deal. HF periodically has coupons plus I would get the warranty (replace with no questions asked). The Harvey looks fantastic. Will be watching for your updates!!
Thanks! Yea especially with xmas coming up I would bet that extractor will get a nice discount sometime soon, love seeing better safer stuff coming out at a cheaper price!
Hello Justin, Thank you for all of your very insightful videos. I appreciate you and all of the work and research you put into them. I just purchased the Harbor Freight dust extractor and I see that you mentioned that your Centec hose fits it. My question is do I need to purchase the hose and adapters or would I be able to purchase just the adapter kit and have it fit the hose that came with the dust extractor hose? I have an Oneida HEPA system already, but will be using the extractor for my small handheld tools such as sanders, routers and such. I am stumped on how to connect to the extractor since it does not come with a variety of options for connections. I appreciate your assistance with resolving this issue. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance. Have a great day. Mike
Hi Mike! Thanks so much! So the centec system has a specific connector on the hose itself so you do need to buy the hose with the adaptors. I purchased the kit and then a second adaptor kit so I can keep the specific adaptors on the specific tools (I usually tape them on so they never come off) I know rockler also has a nice looking hose and adaptor kit as well. Yea hooking up to the vac / extractor hose is always a pain. Alternatively you can get a 3d printer and there are free files everywhere for tool specific adaptors you can print to your hearts content without really knowing anything about 3d printers (check out my video 3d printers belong in the shop)
Yea the price and capability brings it to a more obtainable level. Even has the auto filter clean (the 299 rockler one you have to manually pump this thing to clean it)
Look into the powercap powered respirator. It is a bit expensive, but very comfortable to wear. Also look into some of the shop built shop air cleaners. There is a youtube vid named "EASIEST DIY air filter" with a 4000 cfm CAT fan, and a nice big round filter. I built one, and it is great for the dust that the my cyclone misses.
I had the g700 and it was absolutely fantastic in my garage shop. Especially since the garage attached to the house and had a bedroom above. The quietness of this machine is really its best selling point. I only found two real negatives with the G700. The first was not really a hit against the g700 but not having dedicated ducting was a real time suck. I had a 15 foot hose attached to my g700 but it wouldn't of course reach the entire shop so Id have to roll the g700 around. The other BIG hit against the g700 was the TINY TINY dust bin. While it claims a 32 gallon capacity its really more like 20 gallons between the two bags. Once I built a stand alone shop, I sold my g700 (still was able to get 2k for it) and bought a Clear Vue 5hp Cyclone and installed Dedicated ducting. Its really a night and day difference between the two. The Clear Vue is so much better than the g700, duh its 5hp vs 2hp. the one hit against the clear vue is how loud it gets. I bought the noise reduction kit and its better but its still in the 80 to 85 decibel range so earplugs are required.
Cool thanks for the feedback! I worked with the ducting company to design the best way for us to run everything incredibly efficiently, we’re gonna be using a 6 inch duct line and then having 4 inch drops coming off of it, should be even a little overpowered in my shop so I’m excited for that. I hear you on the smaller dust collection bin, I’m actually going to immediately install a Y at the unit with a 30 gallon cyclone drum. All of the main tools will be hooked up with the 6 inch trunk line and go directly to the unit but when using the planer or just generally vacuuming the floor with the flex hose it will go to the cyclone prior to going to the Harvey, I’m doing it specifically with those two tools down your wood is where you’re creating a majority of your chips and I’m using the flex hose to vacuum up a nail or staple and having that spark in the impeller so it’ll get caught in the drum first!
Hey Justin, I enjoyed the video. I do have something to mention on the HF 1hp bag dust collector. Those bags typically rely on the dust plugging up the bag a little in order to filter the air. I'm sure its still not great, but "seasoning" the bag with some fine dust would help cut down on the amount that it would spew out haha.
Thanks! So at 23:01 I show inside the 1 micron bag - it’s fairly caked perhaps too much but I’m selling that one now and never going to clean out again 😂
Nice upgrade! I'd probably have one of those if it weren't for the footprint and inlet port restriction. (location fixed). But I do believe it's the best you can get health wise with regard to indoor located equipment, at that bin capacity level. Might pay to put your old trash can cyclone right at the planer as a prefilter, just to skim off the big stuff. That way, you never have to worry about backing up the main bin while planning. When the trash can gets full you take a break, Lol.
lol yeah I’m actually planning on doing that, what I’m gonna do is a 6 inch trunk line up and across the ceiling for all the tools and then I’m gonna have a wine near the machine itself that goes to another 32 gallon drum and then a flex hose. All the stuff that’ll be on the trunk line is going to create fine to small particles so I’m not worried about it heading to the machine but when I use my planer, I’ll use the flex hose or if I’m vacuuming the floor then I don’t have to worry about vacuuming up screws and then hitting the impeller!
Hey Justin, awesome video. I love the progression and the education. Glad you got the Gyro air. I assume it does have a bag full indicator on it? I’ve got the Grizzly $650 version that you showed inthe video. The pleats work pretty well. The thing I don’t like about it. It’s very loud as I stand right next to it when I’m using it on my lathe and bandsaw. I’m glad you’re gonna do further videos and if you want to borrow my festival, dust extractor and festival 150 sander. I’d be happy to loan them to you. I’m also happy about the air cleanliness indicator. I think I might have to get one of those keep up the good work, buddy
Hey Bob! Thanks! Yes the g700 has a bag full alarm on it. I will be running a main 6” off it to most tools then split off in the beginning with another separator for shop cleaning (don’t want screws going to the impeller and for jointer planer due to the volume of material. Oh thanks for the offer! I’ll let you know!
Its interesting seeing any video on dust management because while i do have several home made high flow hepa dust filters for the air in general my dust collection system is actually very simple. I blow it all outside. I have a some large round plastic garbage cans with vortex collectors on it but all the output air is directed squarely at a compost pile. No return air just suck and then its blown outside.
@@BitnerBuilt yeah I live put in the country so it's simple. I can't wait till I get my shop built though. I saw an older guy years ago who had a workshop with big double doors at either end. So to clean the shop all he had to do was wait till it was windy, open the doors, and break out the leaf blower. Super jealous of that.
I have been using a Harvey g700 for this entire year in my garage. I use a dylos pro particle meter and I can confirm that if you duct it correctly you won't have any fine dust in the air for most tools. I also use a wen air scrubber on the ceiling. I have the later unit. My bench top planer and 6" jointer put no dust into the air now. I have a Dewalt jobsite tablesaw, I run 6" ducting which splits to 2 4" hoses at the tool. One to the back port and one to the blade guard. There is NO dust coming out of my saw!! Getting the duct design correct is everything. I also run a duct to the rear of my mitersaw and it pulls all the fine dust away. If anyone has the Harvey g700, I urge you to ditch that clear fitting they give you and run 6" ducting straight from the machine. Then branch out to 4" later on, you will have far better fine dust collection. I almost never need to wear a respirator anymore. My particle meter shows that there is less fine particles in my garage than in my house now.
That’s fantastic to hear! I worked with a designer on my ducting, so I have high hopes for one we install it that we’re gonna get really powerful suction at all the tools throughout the shop! I too am going to just hook up a 6 inch trunk line And then drops will be 4 inch down to the tool
Great video! Just now getting into dust collection, and this video is perfect for someone trying to figure out where to start. What is the brand and model of your air quality meter? Looks like Temtop but there are a couple models that look similar.
@@BitnerBuilt I see 2 models that have the black face like yours: LKC-1000S+ 2nd (commercial contractor air quality kit) - $178.99 from Temtop site Temtop P600 Handheld PM2.5 PM10 Air Quality Monitor with Histogram - $69.99 from Temptop site I got a better resolution closeup of you holding the meter, and it looks like the top button is the one labeled PM2.5, which matches the P600. If you could confirm this, it'd be great! Thanks again!
Great information, thanks for the transparency with health issues. I'm going to wear masks more and more. I'm disabled individual. So I love the info on harbor freight dust extractor. I'll be saving for that. And checking into a collector with the hepa rating. I will most definitely make those investments a priority. And on another note is the Harvey that you have capable of using the collector itself to clean the dust from the filters. I thought I had seen that capability in another you tubers video? Again great video!
Thanks! Yes you clean the Harvey with itself, you open the two little ports and just vac it. Yeah that dust extractor. I’m very impressed with, rockler makes a 299 one now as well, but it doesn’t self clean like the harbor freight one does especially since it’s for health. I’m really glad that there’s another good more affordable option.
I always thought I'm just a hobbyist and shop vacs were enough for me. Then one day I started feeling dry throat everytime I finished working in my shop. Decided to get a second hand dust collector. Then I got a larger but still second hand dust collector both running flex hose. Then a Clearvue came up for sale. And I got that. Within half a year I went from non to Clearvue
I would be interested in seeing the 3M Versaflo PPE in comparison to regular respirators. It's quite expensive but seems like it could be more comfortable for longer sessions as it should be easier to breathe and put less pressure on the face.
Oh wow yea that’s a $$$ one. My kids dentist actually wore those during Covid to still work on the kids. No promises on that one, I’d have to get them to provide it considering the cost
I have a 2.5 HP filter bag and collector bag, that I am thinking of using. I would place it in a dedicated tech room right next to my workshop where i already have stuff like air compressor etc. This room is ventilated so I am guessing that could solve my dust issues. Only real down side I can see is that I will be sucking out heated/cooled shop air. Any comments on this?
Being able to place your collectors outside or in a separate room is a big plus for containing the dust in another location (best option honestly but most don’t have this option) if it’s in a separate room you would want to have a vent between the rooms if possible to allow for pressure / air exchange. Is that other room not heated? If not it will effect temp some because anything sucked out will need to be replenished from somewhere so it will bring in outside cooler air. If your shop was 100% sealed it would lower the power on the machine because of the exchange. On the heat I guess it depends on how long your running, if it’s all the time then possibly a electric heater near the machine might be helpful
Here’s a link to it. Someone Recomended the dylos but it’s $$$$ www.amazon.com/dp/B0787Z5DK9/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_0KNPDAGPY1TNZ4WZ99Z2?linkCode=ml2&tag=bitnerbuilt0d-20
Enjoyed the video and the health consciousness. I'm wondering if you considered a high pressure, high volume machine instead of this machine? A lot of woodworkers seem to be recommending the DustRight machines that can handle both hand tools and large machines. Yes, I like the form factor being horizontal, I think. What I think I'd like the best is to have the entire system outside of the garage except for the ducting. However, my neighbors probably would not like that. I'm working on figuring out how to exhaust dust outside of the garage and keep as much dust out of the shop as possible - when I can't roll a machine outside to use it.
Thanks! So those dust rite units aren’t high pressure and high air flow, you won’t see that until 7-8k+ units. Yeah, if you’re able to put the disc collector outside or some people even construct just a small add-on shed closet to the outside of their home that has a vent back into the shop so that you can equalize pressure that’s going to be your best bet even if you’re using a one micron bag unit, of course also cut down the noise but not everybody can make that happen
@@BitnerBuilt I was mistaken and you're correct. The Oneida supercell unit is high static pressure which allows it to hook up to small hand tools as well as larger machines. But it's very pricey. Trying to decide which is worth it - buy once, cry once - I've made mistakes before trying to save money and then lived to regret it. All of them are very pricey. When you get up to this price level, I'd rather not regret my decision!
Great video. I’ve been trying to decide between the G700 and the Oneida Supercell. I haven’t found anyone who has done a direct comparison of those two. I don’t know if you happened to do any comparison of those two in your own research. If so, I’d be really interested in a video comparing the pressure and CFM of those units and discussing any pros and cons of either for particular shops.
I have a friend with an Oneida but it’s the small gorilla model so not really an apples to apples comparison. in my research, of course I compared these and when looking on paper, they’re both pretty comparable and a certain price point. The thing that really put it over the top for me was the form factor of the G700 all other things being very close similar. Obviously there are higher and lower units everywhere, just have to decide on a capability factor / your budget and then if there are any differences in functionality / form factor. If I get the opportunity to I will definitely compare them
That Harvey G700 is a beast, in a perfect world everyone would have one. Curious what the air quality monitor reading is inside your house? Also curious what the reading is at your local grocery store, Walmart, Costco, etc. Dare you to take it out with you and test. Might be surprised by the results 👀
@@BitnerBuilt Jokingly, yes. But on a serious note I'm genuinely curious what the levels are in common areas that we spend time in. Our homes, shopping centers, offices, etc. heck even outdoors. I can certainly look on UA-cam to see if there are videos but thought I'd take a shot at asking in hopes you would reply with a reading. Was always curious what the levels are like in different areas. Maybe I should buy or rent a monitor myself and test everywhere I go and then become paranoid about the readings 😐
I've seen people re-use the HEPA filter bags by cutting one side and dumping the contents out and then re-sealing the side using clips or some other method. Depending on what you are doing it might be a reasonable solution.
For those of us that aren't as serious with our woodworking, I've found that a good fit is to have 3 Dewalt Stealthsonic wet/dry vacuums (12 gallon in my case) with high quality filters and Dust Deputy cyclones paired with each. This setup put me at about $700 total spend and allows me to have the vacs dedicated to specific machines (I have one integrated under my table saw, one integrated with my miter saw, and then one connected to rigid tubing and gates for a row of several other machines - router, sanding station, drill press). All of them are also using automatic vacuum switches so they come on with the tool and then turn off after use. Using this setup my air quality has maintained very good levels, the sound of the vacs are much less than most of the machines, and I don't have to switch the filter bags very often. Obviously this is working because I am again a hobbyist and running mostly benchtop or light-duty tools and I don't do a lot of jointing/planer operations all the time. Just wanted to throw that out even though you covered a similar configuration in your shop dust extraction evolution. Looking forward to additional content related to your new toy! Great videos 👍👍👍
Awesome thanks for sharing your set up! Sounds like you have tried to make it as convenient as possible! Just make sure you work that ppe in there as well!
You say ditch the bag. And it ends with the super duper machine, that uses bags 😂 that doesn't detract from the lovely video by the way. Just very funny.
I plan on partially doing that with the g700 actually so we will be able to experiment with it! I will be hooking up a steel 6” primary run to the machine with 4” drops to the machines. But at the unit I will start it with a Y and that will feed a 30gal cyclone before hooking up to my 25ft flex. The idea is all of the static main tools produce smaller particles and so will feed directly to the Harvey, my jointer and plainer, while using helical heads , the volume of their debris will hit the machines 35gal bin fast when I’m straightening a lot of material. So the cyclone will help getting though the job without an empty. Additionally when using my flex hose as my cleaning vac, I like having it go to a separator in case I vac screws etc and don’t want that hitting the Harvey’s impeller. So stay tuned I will do some cfm and static pressure readings when I install the ducting in 2weeks or so
btw, get yourself a Dylos air meter and get rid of that amazon chinese junk. The dylos is much more accurate and gives you measurements for both small and large particles. I run my two air filters anytime the readings get above 100 in my shop
Hi Justin, just watched your video on dust extraction, it was brilliantly presented, very informative. I am a retired dust extraction engineer who happens to love woodworking, may I say your knowledge on the subject was excellent. I have seen many makers on UA-cam trying to tackle the subject and in many cases they get it wrong in some cases drastically wrong, you my friend are right on the money. Looking forward to your ductwork video
Oh wow thanks so much! I really fretted about this video honestly and took an extra 3 days to just double check what I was saying etc 😂 so glad to hear!
@@BitnerBuiltif you’re interested try and find a copy of “Woods Practical Guide to Fan Engineering” this book is full of information on the subject and will also help you with the design and sizing of the ductwork system. Amazon may have copies of this. Try and get the second edition, this is in imperial. I don’t know if the following additions were metric. Hope this helps.
Hi Justin , what a presentation! Thank you for a sober youtube segment. For me, at 71, your non chaotic presentations are top.
Justin, in 2017 I proposed to build a DUSTLESS WOODWORKING WORKSHOP. So far I have succeeded in taming a plunge track saw on an MDF height adjustable workbench with a vacuum chanel through the sacrificial table top and a dust hose on the tool. This was a simple observation which, when put into practice, paid off. The rest of my idea is a THEORETICAL ONE. IT COMPRISES
1. A 60 sq M purpose built workshop oriented passive solar fashion to the low winter sun
2. A 3 sq M central room with dust extractors, air scrubbers and an exhausting air cleaner to either exhaust to the outside air or on cold days release air back into the workshop.
3. The space will be closed up for soundproofing. The only air entering the building, theoretically, will be from sound baffled air vents under the eves. Air scrubbers around the central room will be positioned at waist level to draw air DOWN from work benches and machinery around it.
What is stopping this project is a proposed house move to a warmer climate. This is compounded by poor health and age. I hope you can see the benefits of the BASIC DESIGN BRIEF. These are less noise and air pollution in the work area with fresh, oxygenated and negatively charged air(theoretically) in which to work. All the best with your quest for a cleaner workshop.
Wow quite the epic goal there! I love it! Big fan of baffles I make them in all of my enclosures for sound proofing veneration intake and exits. I’m sure I will move up to a more pro shop at some point and all of your goals I will keep in mind for myself as well!
Best dust extraction vid that I’ve seen
Oh wow thank you!
Congratulations on 50K subscribers!
Thank you so much 😀 🎉🎉🎉
Hi, I wanted to let you know I have come to really love your videos! I have watched a lot of dust collection videos for woodworking shops, and this is by far one of the best! I'm looking forward to all the new videos you have coming. I get a lot of helpful tips from you--thank you!!
Oh wow thank you so much! Very kind of you, I try my best to give as much helpful info as I can!
I've been a power tool guy for years ... the dust issue has me reaching for hand tools more and more rather than put up with the dust. Finally getting the hand of card scrapers.
Yea the dust really is the big downer. Card scrapers are great, I honestly don’t use mine enough!
Great high level view of dust collection. Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
RZ is my most comfortable. It may not be as good as a full face shield with n95 filter but it does work
Cool I’ll pick one up to try
Great message. Thanks for the testimonial approach.
Thanks!
I have a festool dust extractor, a Rockler dust collection system 1250CFM, both with cyclones and HEPA filters, and 2 shop vacs. I empty out bags/cans outside in the backyard. I shop stays relatively clean. Will be buying a Jet air filtration system soon. I’ve only been woodworking for a year and started with a shop vac.. but if I started again, I would save up money for proper dust collection before cutting up so much wood.
Wow you built up quick!
IF I was going to use a shop type vac as my starting base of air cleaning… I would use the DUSTLESS VAC. Their units are only slightly more expensive but are approved for true hepa performance as needed for asbestos removal and such. Most vacs cannot meet this standard. Thx for these videos and info. Be well!
Oh cool thanks for sharing that, hadn’t seen that model before. That plus ppe will be a great option for people just starting to make those mounds of dust!
I love These Videos! I wish u had one for every tool there is!
Thanks! At some point lol!
This is a great video! You taught me a lot. I’m interested in upgrading my garage. Just a diy’er and have the good ole shop vac with a separator in front of it. I just saw another video demonstrating the HB dust extractor and it seems like a good deal. HF periodically has coupons plus I would get the warranty (replace with no questions asked). The Harvey looks fantastic. Will be watching for your updates!!
Thanks! Yea especially with xmas coming up I would bet that extractor will get a nice discount sometime soon, love seeing better safer stuff coming out at a cheaper price!
I got Powertec dust filter hoods for a couple of my collectors. Good filtration for the money. Maybe some day I'll have Harvey...but it won't be soon.
Yea that was the 1 micron power tek on the 2hp. As I said in the video get what you can afford but wear that ppe!
Hello Justin, Thank you for all of your very insightful videos. I appreciate you and all of the work and research you put into them. I just purchased the Harbor Freight dust extractor and I see that you mentioned that your Centec hose fits it. My question is do I need to purchase the hose and adapters or would I be able to purchase just the adapter kit and have it fit the hose that came with the dust extractor hose? I have an Oneida HEPA system already, but will be using the extractor for my small handheld tools such as sanders, routers and such. I am stumped on how to connect to the extractor since it does not come with a variety of options for connections. I appreciate your assistance with resolving this issue. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance. Have a great day.
Mike
Hi Mike! Thanks so much! So the centec system has a specific connector on the hose itself so you do need to buy the hose with the adaptors. I purchased the kit and then a second adaptor kit so I can keep the specific adaptors on the specific tools (I usually tape them on so they never come off) I know rockler also has a nice looking hose and adaptor kit as well. Yea hooking up to the vac / extractor hose is always a pain. Alternatively you can get a 3d printer and there are free files everywhere for tool specific adaptors you can print to your hearts content without really knowing anything about 3d printers (check out my video 3d printers belong in the shop)
I might have to get the Hurcles extractor. Waiting for a sale on it and will grab one! Appreciate the content and wish you well.
Yea the price and capability brings it to a more obtainable level. Even has the auto filter clean (the 299 rockler one you have to manually pump this thing to clean it)
Look into the powercap powered respirator. It is a bit expensive, but very comfortable to wear. Also look into some of the shop built shop air cleaners. There is a youtube vid named "EASIEST DIY air filter" with a 4000 cfm CAT fan, and a nice big round filter. I built one, and it is great for the dust that the my cyclone misses.
Cool I will take a look thanks for the recommendations!
I had the g700 and it was absolutely fantastic in my garage shop. Especially since the garage attached to the house and had a bedroom above. The quietness of this machine is really its best selling point. I only found two real negatives with the G700. The first was not really a hit against the g700 but not having dedicated ducting was a real time suck. I had a 15 foot hose attached to my g700 but it wouldn't of course reach the entire shop so Id have to roll the g700 around. The other BIG hit against the g700 was the TINY TINY dust bin. While it claims a 32 gallon capacity its really more like 20 gallons between the two bags. Once I built a stand alone shop, I sold my g700 (still was able to get 2k for it) and bought a Clear Vue 5hp Cyclone and installed Dedicated ducting. Its really a night and day difference between the two. The Clear Vue is so much better than the g700, duh its 5hp vs 2hp. the one hit against the clear vue is how loud it gets. I bought the noise reduction kit and its better but its still in the 80 to 85 decibel range so earplugs are required.
Cool thanks for the feedback! I worked with the ducting company to design the best way for us to run everything incredibly efficiently, we’re gonna be using a 6 inch duct line and then having 4 inch drops coming off of it, should be even a little overpowered in my shop so I’m excited for that. I hear you on the smaller dust collection bin, I’m actually going to immediately install a Y at the unit with a 30 gallon cyclone drum. All of the main tools will be hooked up with the 6 inch trunk line and go directly to the unit but when using the planer or just generally vacuuming the floor with the flex hose it will go to the cyclone prior to going to the Harvey, I’m doing it specifically with those two tools down your wood is where you’re creating a majority of your chips and I’m using the flex hose to vacuum up a nail or staple and having that spark in the impeller so it’ll get caught in the drum first!
@@BitnerBuilt good plan
Hey Justin, I enjoyed the video.
I do have something to mention on the HF 1hp bag dust collector. Those bags typically rely on the dust plugging up the bag a little in order to filter the air. I'm sure its still not great, but "seasoning" the bag with some fine dust would help cut down on the amount that it would spew out haha.
Thanks! So at 23:01 I show inside the 1 micron bag - it’s fairly caked perhaps too much but I’m selling that one now and never going to clean out again 😂
Nice upgrade! I'd probably have one of those if it weren't for the footprint and inlet port restriction. (location fixed). But I do believe it's the best you can get health wise with regard to indoor located equipment, at that bin capacity level. Might pay to put your old trash can cyclone right at the planer as a prefilter, just to skim off the big stuff. That way, you never have to worry about backing up the main bin while planning. When the trash can gets full you take a break, Lol.
lol yeah I’m actually planning on doing that, what I’m gonna do is a 6 inch trunk line up and across the ceiling for all the tools and then I’m gonna have a wine near the machine itself that goes to another 32 gallon drum and then a flex hose. All the stuff that’ll be on the trunk line is going to create fine to small particles so I’m not worried about it heading to the machine but when I use my planer, I’ll use the flex hose or if I’m vacuuming the floor then I don’t have to worry about vacuuming up screws and then hitting the impeller!
Hey Justin, awesome video. I love the progression and the education. Glad you got the Gyro air. I assume it does have a bag full indicator on it? I’ve got the Grizzly $650 version that you showed inthe video. The pleats work pretty well. The thing I don’t like about it. It’s very loud as I stand right next to it when I’m using it on my lathe and bandsaw. I’m glad you’re gonna do further videos and if you want to borrow my festival, dust extractor and festival 150 sander. I’d be happy to loan them to you. I’m also happy about the air cleanliness indicator. I think I might have to get one of those keep up the good work, buddy
Hey Bob! Thanks! Yes the g700 has a bag full alarm on it. I will be running a main 6” off it to most tools then split off in the beginning with another separator for shop cleaning (don’t want screws going to the impeller and for jointer planer due to the volume of material. Oh thanks for the offer! I’ll let you know!
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Its interesting seeing any video on dust management because while i do have several home made high flow hepa dust filters for the air in general my dust collection system is actually very simple.
I blow it all outside. I have a some large round plastic garbage cans with vortex collectors on it but all the output air is directed squarely at a compost pile. No return air just suck and then its blown outside.
Hey if you’re able that’s fantastic!
@@BitnerBuilt yeah I live put in the country so it's simple.
I can't wait till I get my shop built though. I saw an older guy years ago who had a workshop with big double doors at either end. So to clean the shop all he had to do was wait till it was windy, open the doors, and break out the leaf blower. Super jealous of that.
I have been using a Harvey g700 for this entire year in my garage. I use a dylos pro particle meter and I can confirm that if you duct it correctly you won't have any fine dust in the air for most tools. I also use a wen air scrubber on the ceiling. I have the later unit. My bench top planer and 6" jointer put no dust into the air now. I have a Dewalt jobsite tablesaw, I run 6" ducting which splits to 2 4" hoses at the tool. One to the back port and one to the blade guard. There is NO dust coming out of my saw!! Getting the duct design correct is everything. I also run a duct to the rear of my mitersaw and it pulls all the fine dust away. If anyone has the Harvey g700, I urge you to ditch that clear fitting they give you and run 6" ducting straight from the machine. Then branch out to 4" later on, you will have far better fine dust collection. I almost never need to wear a respirator anymore. My particle meter shows that there is less fine particles in my garage than in my house now.
That’s fantastic to hear! I worked with a designer on my ducting, so I have high hopes for one we install it that we’re gonna get really powerful suction at all the tools throughout the shop! I too am going to just hook up a 6 inch trunk line And then drops will be 4 inch down to the tool
What is the particle meter you are using?
@@alberttreado3713 dylos dc1100 pro air quality monitor
Great video! Just now getting into dust collection, and this video is perfect for someone trying to figure out where to start.
What is the brand and model of your air quality meter? Looks like Temtop but there are a couple models that look similar.
Thanks! Yep that’s the temtop
@@BitnerBuilt I see 2 models that have the black face like yours:
LKC-1000S+ 2nd (commercial contractor air quality kit) - $178.99 from Temtop site
Temtop P600 Handheld PM2.5 PM10 Air Quality Monitor with Histogram - $69.99 from Temptop site
I got a better resolution closeup of you holding the meter, and it looks like the top button is the one labeled PM2.5, which matches the P600. If you could confirm this, it'd be great!
Thanks again!
@@bruce1106 yep here’s the link to the one I purchased amzn.to/3C33Nsb
Great information, thanks for the transparency with health issues. I'm going to wear masks more and more. I'm disabled individual. So I love the info on harbor freight dust extractor. I'll be saving for that. And checking into a collector with the hepa rating. I will most definitely make those investments a priority. And on another note is the Harvey that you have capable of using the collector itself to clean the dust from the filters. I thought I had seen that capability in another you tubers video? Again great video!
Thanks! Yes you clean the Harvey with itself, you open the two little ports and just vac it. Yeah that dust extractor. I’m very impressed with, rockler makes a 299 one now as well, but it doesn’t self clean like the harbor freight one does especially since it’s for health. I’m really glad that there’s another good more affordable option.
A very informative video.
Thanks so much!
Stumpy Nubs has several videos on upgrading your dust collection that helped me a lot.
Yeah, he’s got a great channel
I always thought I'm just a hobbyist and shop vacs were enough for me. Then one day I started feeling dry throat everytime I finished working in my shop. Decided to get a second hand dust collector. Then I got a larger but still second hand dust collector both running flex hose. Then a Clearvue came up for sale. And I got that. Within half a year I went from non to Clearvue
Wow that was fast 😀 yea you know I should have mentioned to be on the look out for second hand and then just buy a new filter, great snag there
@@BitnerBuiltsometimes in Australia when the opportunity arises you got to take it.
Good information thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I would be interested in seeing the 3M Versaflo PPE in comparison to regular respirators. It's quite expensive but seems like it could be more comfortable for longer sessions as it should be easier to breathe and put less pressure on the face.
Oh wow yea that’s a $$$ one. My kids dentist actually wore those during Covid to still work on the kids. No promises on that one, I’d have to get them to provide it considering the cost
I have a 2.5 HP filter bag and collector bag, that I am thinking of using. I would place it in a dedicated tech room right next to my workshop where i already have stuff like air compressor etc. This room is ventilated so I am guessing that could solve my dust issues. Only real down side I can see is that I will be sucking out heated/cooled shop air. Any comments on this?
Being able to place your collectors outside or in a separate room is a big plus for containing the dust in another location (best option honestly but most don’t have this option) if it’s in a separate room you would want to have a vent between the rooms if possible to allow for pressure / air exchange. Is that other room not heated? If not it will effect temp some because anything sucked out will need to be replenished from somewhere so it will bring in outside cooler air. If your shop was 100% sealed it would lower the power on the machine because of the exchange. On the heat I guess it depends on how long your running, if it’s all the time then possibly a electric heater near the machine might be helpful
Love seeing all Hercules and HF tools. No reason for every shop to be filled with Festool.
Hf isn’t perfect but they do have some gems!
Hi Justin,
What is the particulate meter you are using?
Here’s a link to it. Someone Recomended the dylos but it’s $$$$ www.amazon.com/dp/B0787Z5DK9/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_0KNPDAGPY1TNZ4WZ99Z2?linkCode=ml2&tag=bitnerbuilt0d-20
Enjoyed the video and the health consciousness. I'm wondering if you considered a high pressure, high volume machine instead of this machine? A lot of woodworkers seem to be recommending the DustRight machines that can handle both hand tools and large machines. Yes, I like the form factor being horizontal, I think. What I think I'd like the best is to have the entire system outside of the garage except for the ducting. However, my neighbors probably would not like that. I'm working on figuring out how to exhaust dust outside of the garage and keep as much dust out of the shop as possible - when I can't roll a machine outside to use it.
Thanks! So those dust rite units aren’t high pressure and high air flow, you won’t see that until 7-8k+ units. Yeah, if you’re able to put the disc collector outside or some people even construct just a small add-on shed closet to the outside of their home that has a vent back into the shop so that you can equalize pressure that’s going to be your best bet even if you’re using a one micron bag unit, of course also cut down the noise but not everybody can make that happen
@@BitnerBuilt I was mistaken and you're correct. The Oneida supercell unit is high static pressure which allows it to hook up to small hand tools as well as larger machines. But it's very pricey. Trying to decide which is worth it - buy once, cry once - I've made mistakes before trying to save money and then lived to regret it. All of them are very pricey. When you get up to this price level, I'd rather not regret my decision!
I like your videos. Two tumbs up!!!!
Awesome, thank you! 🙏
Great video. I’ve been trying to decide between the G700 and the Oneida Supercell. I haven’t found anyone who has done a direct comparison of those two. I don’t know if you happened to do any comparison of those two in your own research. If so, I’d be really interested in a video comparing the pressure and CFM of those units and discussing any pros and cons of either for particular shops.
I have a friend with an Oneida but it’s the small gorilla model so not really an apples to apples comparison. in my research, of course I compared these and when looking on paper, they’re both pretty comparable and a certain price point. The thing that really put it over the top for me was the form factor of the G700 all other things being very close similar. Obviously there are higher and lower units everywhere, just have to decide on a capability factor / your budget and then if there are any differences in functionality / form factor. If I get the opportunity to I will definitely compare them
That Harvey G700 is a beast, in a perfect world everyone would have one.
Curious what the air quality monitor reading is inside your house?
Also curious what the reading is at your local grocery store, Walmart, Costco, etc.
Dare you to take it out with you and test. Might be surprised by the results 👀
😂 trying to get me to wear a respirator everywhere eh😂
@@BitnerBuilt Jokingly, yes. But on a serious note I'm genuinely curious what the levels are in common areas that we spend time in. Our homes, shopping centers, offices, etc. heck even outdoors. I can certainly look on UA-cam to see if there are videos but thought I'd take a shot at asking in hopes you would reply with a reading. Was always curious what the levels are like in different areas. Maybe I should buy or rent a monitor myself and test everywhere I go and then become paranoid about the readings 😐
@@Tom_Swift I’ll take it around tomorrow and let you know. In my shop it hovers around 4 - took it around my house and I was 2.8-3.4
@@BitnerBuilt Amazing. Looking forward to the results!
I've seen people re-use the HEPA filter bags by cutting one side and dumping the contents out and then re-sealing the side using clips or some other method. Depending on what you are doing it might be a reasonable solution.
Huh hadn’t seen that before! Good tip thanks for sharing
I'd love to have the money or the space.I have to wear my PPE all the time.
In the end we all should be wearing it all the time so we’re right there with u mark 👍
For those of us that aren't as serious with our woodworking, I've found that a good fit is to have 3 Dewalt Stealthsonic wet/dry vacuums (12 gallon in my case) with high quality filters and Dust Deputy cyclones paired with each. This setup put me at about $700 total spend and allows me to have the vacs dedicated to specific machines (I have one integrated under my table saw, one integrated with my miter saw, and then one connected to rigid tubing and gates for a row of several other machines - router, sanding station, drill press). All of them are also using automatic vacuum switches so they come on with the tool and then turn off after use. Using this setup my air quality has maintained very good levels, the sound of the vacs are much less than most of the machines, and I don't have to switch the filter bags very often. Obviously this is working because I am again a hobbyist and running mostly benchtop or light-duty tools and I don't do a lot of jointing/planer operations all the time. Just wanted to throw that out even though you covered a similar configuration in your shop dust extraction evolution. Looking forward to additional content related to your new toy! Great videos
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Awesome thanks for sharing your set up! Sounds like you have tried to make it as convenient as possible! Just make sure you work that ppe in there as well!
You say ditch the bag. And it ends with the super duper machine, that uses bags 😂 that doesn't detract from the lovely video by the way. Just very funny.
lol well filter bag 😂
@@BitnerBuilt oh! 🤣, it looked like plastic
At 35.30 you show a professional 2 stage collector. Any thoughts on how converting a single stage collector to a two stage collector compare?
I plan on partially doing that with the g700 actually so we will be able to experiment with it! I will be hooking up a steel 6” primary run to the machine with 4” drops to the machines. But at the unit I will start it with a Y and that will feed a 30gal cyclone before hooking up to my 25ft flex. The idea is all of the static main tools produce smaller particles and so will feed directly to the Harvey, my jointer and plainer, while using helical heads , the volume of their debris will hit the machines 35gal bin fast when I’m straightening a lot of material. So the cyclone will help getting though the job without an empty. Additionally when using my flex hose as my cleaning vac, I like having it go to a separator in case I vac screws etc and don’t want that hitting the Harvey’s impeller. So stay tuned I will do some cfm and static pressure readings when I install the ducting in 2weeks or so
@@BitnerBuilt That is a great solution!
btw, get yourself a Dylos air meter and get rid of that amazon chinese junk. The dylos is much more accurate and gives you measurements for both small and large particles. I run my two air filters anytime the readings get above 100 in my shop
Thanks I’ll take a look at it