Whilst protesters were concentrating on Greenham , weapons were (at that time) able to moved freely in about out of RAF Welford just down the M4. Road , air and rail were all available and the US had control of approximately 50% of the considerable site. In some ways Greenham was a convenient and clever distraction.
Brilliant video. I was a wee lad in 1983, and we all thought and feared the world we were in back then. At least we knew who the proposed enemy was. My God, it's nothing compared to the horrors and fears of this modern world. I miss the Cold War. Somehow, felt much safer back then! Thanks for posting this :)
Yes we do they are fighting aged men with no identification documents, apparently with no women and children so called refugees, to put the security threat they pose , consider this, how many young fighting aged men crossed the channel this year so far from April last year to April this year more than 30,000 crossed into the uk, at this time the Entire British army total personnel is 75,000 , you do the math and tell me there’s no clandestine threat to this country, ?
Was in C flt in 89 till deactivation in 90. Fun times hangin at the Wagons and Horses, lol... It was actually a pretty sweet assignment. The CND chicks were always entertaining when our convoy would deploy for training 😅
Those Greenham Common women were not CND or 'chicks'. They were very courageous, creative, powerful women who loved their children and peace and they knew how to collaborate. Some had PhDs and all were committed to peace, to sanity, to stopping the terrible waste of theses weapons and destruction and madness and they went through hell to make their point. I was there at times and it was tough and local men threw blood and offal at them. Hard to admire that. Cowardly and weak. These women inspired so many around the world. Perhaps you could watch a new documentary film 'Mothers of the Revolution' to be informed and respectful and see just what it took for them to be there. In huge admiration. Gorbachev from Russia said in London that he did not trust Reagan to keep the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty but he trusted the Greenham Common women to keep him to his word. That is true power.
@@colinstewart1432 That's not everybody's view. What a waste of money and what a danger and now we have Trump and Putin and other autocrats in charge of them. 'When will we ever learn?'
I was at Salisbury College of Art when Greenham Common was at its busiest. I remember going out there to photograph the the Cruise Missile convoy going out on exercise.
Some fairly big holes in the analysis provided here on this missile system. The members assigned that all potential military targets would have been struck by Soviet nukes at once.
Casper Weinberger is said to have dismissed this weapon system as useless. His reasoning was that a Soviet saboteur with a hunting rifle could place a single shot to the missile tube penetrating the cruise missile's fuel cell thus rendering the entire unit out of action. Weinberger claimed the only reason the GLCMs were made were to be simple pawns to trade something we wished the Soviets to remove from their arsenal.
Rifle-carrying Soviet saboteurs were not the widely available resource Mr. Weinberger seemed to think. Also, military-age males carrying guitar cases just loitering around military bases attract more attention than you might assume.
The Cruise launcher convoys might have practiced dispersing into woodland hides, but in wartime they'd have deployed to warehouses on industrial estates, large farm buildings or old aircraft hangers etc. CND really didn't have a clue.
Stand To Lima! Let's go! RAF Greenham-Common (and all the space between, and on Salisbury Plain) 86-90. Loved my time there! This is a riot to watch...never knew this documentary existed.
The paint scheme on the convoy isn't as flat/matte as I would expect. I should think this would make the potential launch sites pre-sighted by enemy satellites, that is, to rule-out reflective surfaces that had been there all along (lakes, galvanized roofs, etc) so that anything reflective that hadn't been there before, would become a potential target. Maybe the chemical makeup of the paint is to prevent other means of identification instead, such as infrared? Maybe it can't have a totally matte finish for the sake of weather protection. I don't know.
@17:56 the ginger moustached "peace nick" says retaliate first? How can you retaliate first? Retaliation is a response in kind to something that has happened
American invasion of UK . Lets make Greenham a valid target , thanks yanks!! though we got some of the best acid ever of some of the American crew there . Californian sunshine !
Brilliant idea but if the russians had launched their missiles would they have sent a message first to let them know they were about to launch their missiles, so that the missiles could be taken to their launch site. Time they got there it would have been too late.
Love the fake Cruise set up… and home made radar! red peril, yellow peril, Cold War, SKYNET, ozone layer, global cooling, war on terror, global warming, climate change…. Still here, zillions spent.
Did the USAF really use British trucks for the Gryphon launchers? I thought they used the M1013, which was based on the MAN KAT1, just like they did for the Pershing II?
Probably made of plywood. Probably had 60 of them to confuse the Russians and inconvenience the public. In any case the Russians probably knew more than the British government through the spy network.
Why are they talking about moving the missile convoy during nuclear war? They’re missiles... just launch them from wherever you parked them during a war, why weave through different routes and setup in a clearing in the woods? Do the missile not have an extra few hundred miles of range?
In order for the guidance system that missile used to work correctly, it has to start with a fairly precise set of launch coordinates. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system
These weopans were camouflaged with such expertise you wouldn’t know it Wes there in a situation, the Americans were no idiots they new spetnaz operators and some kgb operatives were in cnd
Whilst protesters were concentrating on Greenham , weapons were (at that time) able to moved freely in about out of RAF Welford just down the M4. Road , air and rail were all available and the US had control of approximately 50% of the considerable site. In some ways Greenham was a convenient and clever distraction.
It is absolutely brilliant that they built a cruise missile convoy and then used it to illustrate very well a thorny issue
The second lorry carries the neccessary items in an emergency to make about 30,000 cups of tea.
Love the WW2 Jeep and Truck following the launcher.
Brilliant video. I was a wee lad in 1983, and we all thought and feared the world we were in back then. At least we knew who the proposed enemy was. My God, it's nothing compared to the horrors and fears of this modern world. I miss the Cold War. Somehow, felt much safer back then! Thanks for posting this :)
Maybe not so great when we now find out just how close it came to full scale nuclear war a few times. And for thirty years very few people knew..
You are so right ! We don’t now we’re the enemy is NOW!! 😢😢
Yes we do they are fighting aged men with no identification documents, apparently with no women and children so called refugees, to put the security threat they pose , consider this, how many young fighting aged men crossed the channel this year so far from April last year to April this year more than 30,000 crossed into the uk, at this time the Entire British army total personnel is 75,000 , you do the math and tell me there’s no clandestine threat to this country, ?
Superb video when the UK was great my brother and I visited the IAT in 1983 I got great memories 👏
Since it’s Thames, perhaps the fake cruise missile lorries could be speeded up with Benny Hill music? That would confuse the Russians.
Was in C flt in 89 till deactivation in 90. Fun times hangin at the Wagons and Horses, lol... It was actually a pretty sweet assignment. The CND chicks were always entertaining when our convoy would deploy for training 😅
Those Greenham Common women were not CND or 'chicks'. They were very courageous, creative, powerful women who loved their children and peace and they knew how to collaborate. Some had PhDs and all were committed to peace, to sanity, to stopping the terrible waste of theses weapons and destruction and madness and they went through hell to make their point. I was there at times and it was tough and local men threw blood and offal at them. Hard to admire that. Cowardly and weak. These women inspired so many around the world. Perhaps you could watch a new documentary film 'Mothers of the Revolution' to be informed and respectful and see just what it took for them to be there. In huge admiration. Gorbachev from Russia said in London that he did not trust Reagan to keep the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty but he trusted the Greenham Common women to keep him to his word. That is true power.
@@paulinetaylor451They were wrong and deluded. It's only the deterrent effect of nuclear weapons that have ended world war as a concept.
@@colinstewart1432 That's not everybody's view. What a waste of money and what a danger and now we have Trump and Putin and other autocrats in charge of them. 'When will we ever learn?'
Those eye brows!!!
It deters weak women
love this video!! Is it me or it there lots of bits cut out?
Yes, about 6 minutes give or take.
I was at Salisbury College of Art when Greenham Common was at its busiest. I remember going out there to photograph the the Cruise Missile convoy going out on exercise.
Good work, did you ever publish your work?
Some fairly big holes in the analysis provided here on this missile system.
The members assigned that all potential military targets would have been struck by Soviet nukes at once.
Casper Weinberger is said to have dismissed this weapon system as useless. His reasoning was that a Soviet saboteur with a hunting rifle could place a single shot to the missile tube penetrating the cruise missile's fuel cell thus rendering the entire unit out of action. Weinberger claimed the only reason the GLCMs were made were to be simple pawns to trade something we wished the Soviets to remove from their arsenal.
Also, the women at the peace camp managed to disable a launcher by shoving a potato up it’s exhaust pipe!🥔
Two pointless comments, made by two braindead doughnuts, you could still either of them things to a missile today in 2023...
@@AtheistOrphanHave you ever actually seen a truck exhaust? That would be one massive potato.
@@Iaintwoke - It certainly was! It made the national TV news at the time. I remember it well.
Rifle-carrying Soviet saboteurs were not the widely available resource Mr. Weinberger seemed to think. Also, military-age males carrying guitar cases just loitering around military bases attract more attention than you might assume.
I was number 2 on the list to go over to Europe. I worked on the Minuteman III missiles. But I never did get to go, they were being phased out.
The Cruise launcher convoys might have practiced dispersing into woodland hides, but in wartime they'd have deployed to warehouses on industrial estates, large farm buildings or old aircraft hangers etc. CND really didn't have a clue.
lovely crusaders,im guessin they are civvy spec as they even had detroits in them and normal headlights.
Very civvy Terry round diesel tanks too. At 3:02 lead truck looks like ENY268V
Did they do one on the SS-20? The soviets had a mobile, difficult-to-locate theater ballistic missile.
Stand To Lima! Let's go! RAF Greenham-Common (and all the space between, and on Salisbury Plain) 86-90. Loved my time there! This is a riot to watch...never knew this documentary existed.
The paint scheme on the convoy isn't as flat/matte as I would expect. I should think this would make the potential launch sites pre-sighted by enemy satellites, that is, to rule-out reflective surfaces that had been there all along (lakes, galvanized roofs, etc) so that anything reflective that hadn't been there before, would become a potential target.
Maybe the chemical makeup of the paint is to prevent other means of identification instead, such as infrared? Maybe it can't have a totally matte finish for the sake of weather protection. I don't know.
The vehicles featured in this video are fake ones built by the TV company for the documentary.
Lmfao, looks like a ww2 torpedo 😃
@17:56 the ginger moustached "peace nick" says retaliate first? How can you retaliate first? Retaliation is a response in kind to something that has happened
I think he was being ironic.
American invasion of UK . Lets make Greenham a valid target , thanks yanks!! though we got some of the best acid ever of some of the American crew there . Californian sunshine !
Are they ready that slow?
The missiles were powered by small jet turbines.
Brilliant idea but if the russians had launched their missiles would they have sent a message first to let them know they were about to launch their missiles, so that the missiles could be taken to their launch site. Time they got there it would have been too late.
Interesting program totally ruined by multiple adverts from start to finish. Gave up before the end.
Ya know there is a thing called hide in plain sight, a repository `` site `` might be empty ,and the real thing might t be possibly `` un known ``
Wait... TVEye built mock-ups of a launch convoy ?
I thought it was real launcher lol
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Yes.
I guess that's where all the excess budget for the year went
Exact specifications eh? lol
Shall We Play A Game? Let’s Play Global Thermonuclear War
The serial vehicles looked different.
At least there was still British truck builder's back then😡
Love the fake Cruise set up… and home made radar!
red peril, yellow peril, Cold War, SKYNET, ozone layer, global cooling, war on terror, global warming, climate change…. Still here, zillions spent.
Did the USAF really use British trucks for the Gryphon launchers? I thought they used the M1013, which was based on the MAN KAT1, just like they did for the Pershing II?
You are correct. This is a fake one built by the TV company for the documentary.
this is a strange video. mock up missiles and odd trucks etc
Those mock ups were amusing.The actual cruise missiles in the bunkers looked nothing like them.
Probably made of plywood. Probably had 60 of them to confuse the Russians and inconvenience the public. In any case the Russians probably knew more than the British government through the spy network.
Why are they talking about moving the missile convoy during nuclear war? They’re missiles... just launch them from wherever you parked them during a war, why weave through different routes and setup in a clearing in the woods? Do the missile not have an extra few hundred miles of range?
In order for the guidance system that missile used to work correctly, it has to start with a fairly precise set of launch coordinates. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system
These weopans were camouflaged with such expertise you wouldn’t know it Wes there in a situation, the Americans were no idiots they new spetnaz operators and some kgb operatives were in cnd
Global Thermonuclear War ! Yay!!
Mock ups complete joke!! 84-86 501 TMMS