Ryan,,, couple of points regarding your flue pipe. One, the rule of thumb regarding flue height above any portion of the roof is: 2 feet above any point of the roof within 10 feet. That will mostly eliminate the back pressure problems you are getting. Two, you are really wasting money by using a single wall flue system and I'm not surprised you get corrosion. Single wall flue is intended for runs of less than 8 feet in a conditioned space. I strongly suggest that over the next year or so you invest in a double wall flue system that is compatible with your existing chimney. I ran a double wall system for 22 years without failure or soot build up and only cleaned it once every two years with a chimney brush. Give it some thought,,, I'd hate to hear something bad happened because of this system you have.
+bluemtnsman Yeap. Was shocked right along with you when he showed us the single wall pipe as the main chimney outside the house as well as the outside chimney not being above the roof by 3 feet. ( 3 foot requirement for my wood stove )
+bluemtnsman and olleybear are right on. "B" Type vent with SS liner is the way. All Fuel Flue (say that 5 times fast) added benifit is only 1 inch to combustibles. Thereby giving you more upslope on the run in the basement making better draft to start with . Don't forget higher flue temps (300 F or better )means less deposits of cresote, reducing the need to clean as often. PS. your very lucky. Greenies in California have made wood fire's of any type. "AGIN THE LAW" they even went after BAR-B-Q's but lost that part. Don't become Californicated.
Seems that the draft could have been easily improved and relatively cheaply (until you can raise the chimney at least) with an inline fan in the pipe ? Thanks for taking the time to make the video and ignore the knockers !
+How Farms Work. Ryan. been burning corn for 12 years so just a few comments. First you need to install a draft assist in your stack to stop smoke on start up. I always start with chunks of hardwood burns hotter and leaves the coals to speed up start time. also keep the fuel 2inches below the last set of air holes. I have a Superior biomass Furnace and have burned everything from oats to chery pits corn has the most btu's. are you fanning the fines out of the corn? that will affect burn performance. my angers only run when the thermostat calls for heat that is also when the combustion blower runs. when temp is realized augers and blower shut down. I start mine at the end of Oct and it doesn't shut down unroll April. house temp stays at 74 all winter. I use about two hundred bushel a winter depending on how cold it is. I live in Michigan so winter can be pretty hard. Have not used propane for heat in the 12years I've owned it. I will say there is quite a learning curve and it's not for everyone. Keep at it, I grow my own corn and love the independence of making my own fuel. Let me know if I can help. Thanks.
Hard to believe your inside temperature is colder than our outside temperature. It went down to 45 last night but the house was never lower than 70, despite having no heat. The last time I used the heater was in 2005 if I remember correctly. It is a wood gas system also used to power a generator after a hurricane.
Thank goodness for natural gas. Keeping the house at 69-74 depending on how cold and how high the winds are, or if there is any Snow/Sleet accumulations on the roof. Day/Evening/Night time settings can be varied or just set and forget. Interesting video. As a kid growing up in Tenn, relatives heated with coal, coke or wood (50/60's) The delivery man was usually covered in coal dust, white guy driver and a black kid as his helper. Always dusty after delivery via a chute.
Well he does also use propane. It's just expensive to fill up his tank outside. That's why he's using both pellet stove and propane. I do miss having natural gas as my heat. "For me" it was cheaper then the heat pump we have now. But we are also renting in an old farm house now that has zero insulation.
Don't know if it's just my local store. But I was a tractor supply and they had pro-pellets for 189 a ton. they burn great low ash. Don't know if you have a tractor supply near you or not.
If you get you some stainless steel pipe that would be the last of your worries. Stainless will last for years and years....worth the cost. That long horizontal run is cutting down on your draft also......
+Patrick Clark-Barnes stove pipe that Ryan used to carry out the smoke and vent to the outside is better because the cost and weight of stainless steel whereas the stove pipe is designed for the proposed task in which and how he used them.
barfoot the cost is the issue here when a person looks at the how much one can afford Ryan is a farmer when you look at profit which is less then you imagine put this way crops come in after expenses what left over has to pay for food, clothing, electric, heating and repairs to machinery, buildings, fuel for combine, tractors, cars and trucks, and college so on so forth really he made a decision to go with stove pipe smart move on his part Ryan if you read this just shave.
Hey Ryan do you still use the pellet furnace? If so would you buy another one? I'm looking at buying a used one like yours but there is no info on them. Thank you for the video.
Wow, 56 degrees in your house? that is chilly! There would be no way I'd let my girlfriend sleep on the couch at those temps! I keep mine at 65-66 degrees and I'm sitting with a sweater on.
The internal flue is far too long, you should not have more than 3 ft horizontally. Try to relocate stove or the flue to shorten the distance, and use a double walled pipe at least 4'' dia.
If you have ever seen a forge that used in metal working, the forced air give fuel to the fire, and it the same same process that burns the corn and pallets mix that give off heat. The cost of the wood pallets is $250.00 dollars how long does a pallet last during a heating season in Wisconsin. The price of LP goes down in the summer and up during the fall and winter and long does a tank last. The winters get very cold so therefore do you turn up the LP gas. I have noticed on your videos the tanks for the LP Gas are large but how many times do fill the tank.
Seems like a few of the guys don't like your setup. I wouldn't have a clue. At 56 deg. I would think the house occupants should sleep huddled together to generate group heat for simple survival.
Your pipe should be two feet above your roof line (Code for where I'm from anyways), it would likely give you a better draft and keep the smoke from coming back into the house.
When will a manufacturer make a mini pellet stove with automatic feed and thermostat so that it can burn 1 night without manual feeding? Something as small as the Canadian CUBIC (cub / Grizzly).
+How Farms Work' That condensate IS corrosive. On commercial size condensing furnaces and water heaters, limestone neutralizing canisters are used to tame the condensate down somewhat. Your pipe, even reconfigured, will still suffer I'm afraid. HTH
In all honesty, making that offset at the top a double 45 and then extending it up would be ideal. That double 90 at the top is regrettable. Look int the friction loss of two 90s vs 2 45s.
That is one of the worst installations I have ever come across, so many things wrong as well as being a death trap. Get someone in that knows what they are doing to inspect it before you either burn your house down or kill your family via carbon monoxide .
Should have bought the dairy cows their is a lot more going on on a dairy farm , than a crop farm. Your talking about heating a house . Boring just my thought.
Watching to figure out how to use my pellet stove but have to give a shout out to your brows- spectacular!
55 degrees everyone in my house would be crying. Need a power vent on that pipe
I hope you have a good fire insurance policy.
Get rid of that draft regulator, you cant have one on a power vented equipment.
Ryan,,, couple of points regarding your flue pipe. One, the rule of thumb regarding flue height above any portion of the roof is: 2 feet above any point of the roof within 10 feet. That will mostly eliminate the back pressure problems you are getting. Two, you are really wasting money by using a single wall flue system and I'm not surprised you get corrosion. Single wall flue is intended for runs of less than 8 feet in a conditioned space. I strongly suggest that over the next year or so you invest in a double wall flue system that is compatible with your existing chimney. I ran a double wall system for 22 years without failure or soot build up and only cleaned it once every two years with a chimney brush. Give it some thought,,, I'd hate to hear something bad happened because of this system you have.
+bluemtnsman
Yeap. Was shocked right along with you when he showed us the single wall pipe as the main chimney outside the house as well as the outside chimney not being above the roof by 3 feet. ( 3 foot requirement for my wood stove )
+bluemtnsman and olleybear are right on. "B" Type vent with SS liner is the way. All Fuel Flue (say that 5 times fast) added benifit is only 1 inch to combustibles. Thereby giving you more upslope on the run in the basement making better draft to start with . Don't forget higher flue temps (300 F or better )means less deposits of cresote, reducing the need to clean as often. PS. your very lucky. Greenies in California have made wood fire's of any type. "AGIN THE LAW" they even went after BAR-B-Q's but lost that part. Don't become Californicated.
Seems that the draft could have been easily improved and relatively cheaply (until you can raise the chimney at least) with an inline fan in the pipe ? Thanks for taking the time to make the video and ignore the knockers !
Haha, "she slept on the couch".
+TheodorEriksson " "
+TheodorEriksson He hasn't gone to Jared's yet!
Not yet!!! lol
+How Farms Work Touche`
+How Farms Work. Ryan. been burning corn for 12 years so just a few comments. First you need to install a draft assist in your stack to stop smoke on start up. I always start with chunks of hardwood burns hotter and leaves the coals to speed up start time. also keep the fuel 2inches below the last set of air holes. I have a Superior biomass Furnace and have burned everything from oats to chery pits corn has the most btu's. are you fanning the fines out of the corn? that will affect burn performance. my angers only run when the thermostat calls for heat that is also when the combustion blower runs. when temp is realized augers and blower shut down. I start mine at the end of Oct and it doesn't shut down unroll April. house temp stays at 74 all winter. I use about two hundred bushel a winter depending on how cold it is. I live in Michigan so winter can be pretty hard. Have not used propane for heat in the 12years I've owned it. I will say there is quite a learning curve and it's not for everyone. Keep at it, I grow my own corn and love the independence of making my own fuel. Let me know if I can help. Thanks.
Hard to believe your inside temperature is colder than our outside temperature. It went down to 45 last night but the house was never lower than 70, despite having no heat. The last time I used the heater was in 2005 if I remember correctly. It is a wood gas system also used to power a generator after a hurricane.
Cool vid Ryan
Thank goodness for natural gas. Keeping the house at 69-74 depending on how cold and how high the winds are, or if there is any Snow/Sleet accumulations on the roof. Day/Evening/Night time settings can be varied or just set and forget. Interesting video. As a kid growing up in Tenn, relatives heated with coal, coke or wood (50/60's) The delivery man was usually covered in coal dust, white guy driver and a black kid as his helper. Always dusty after delivery via a chute.
Well he does also use propane. It's just expensive to fill up his tank outside. That's why he's using both pellet stove and propane.
I do miss having natural gas as my heat. "For me" it was cheaper then the heat pump we have now. But we are also renting in an old farm house now that has zero insulation.
Terra cotta clay is a great liner with cinder block
Don't know if it's just my local store. But I was a tractor supply and they had pro-pellets for 189 a ton. they burn great low ash. Don't know if you have a tractor supply near you or not.
If you get you some stainless steel pipe that would be the last of your worries. Stainless will last for years and years....worth the cost. That long horizontal run is cutting down on your draft also......
I was wondering if stainless pipe is not as prevalent in WI, stainless is the way to go if available, despite the higher up front cost.
True
+Patrick Clark-Barnes stove pipe that Ryan used to carry out the smoke and vent to the outside is better because the cost and weight of stainless steel whereas the stove pipe is designed for the proposed task in which and how he used them.
They do make stainless steal stove pipe and the benefit out weighs the cost as the stainless will out last the stove.
barfoot
the cost is the issue here when a person looks at the how much one can afford Ryan is a farmer when you look at profit which is less then you imagine put this way crops come in after expenses what left over has to pay for food, clothing, electric, heating and repairs to machinery, buildings, fuel for combine, tractors, cars and trucks, and college so on so forth really he made a decision to go with stove pipe smart move on his part Ryan if you read this just shave.
Hey Ryan do you still use the pellet furnace? If so would you buy another one? I'm looking at buying a used one like yours but there is no info on them. Thank you for the video.
Wow, 56 degrees in your house? that is chilly! There would be no way I'd let my girlfriend sleep on the couch at those temps! I keep mine at 65-66 degrees and I'm sitting with a sweater on.
The internal flue is far too long, you should not have more than 3 ft horizontally. Try to relocate stove or the flue to shorten the distance, and use a double walled pipe at least 4'' dia.
Slept on the couch lol right!!! How much ash does that stove make in a day?
You should get an outdoor wood stove. Much easier
If you have ever seen a forge that used in metal working, the forced air give fuel to the fire, and it the same same process that burns the corn and pallets mix that give off heat. The cost of the wood pallets is $250.00 dollars how long does a pallet last during a heating season in Wisconsin. The price of LP goes down in the summer and up during the fall and winter and long does a tank last. The winters get very cold so therefore do you turn up the LP gas. I have noticed on your videos the tanks for the LP Gas are large but how many times do fill the tank.
Seems like a few of the guys don't like your setup. I wouldn't have a clue. At 56 deg. I would think the house occupants should sleep huddled together to generate group heat for simple survival.
install insulation in the walls from the outside. the outside needs help. cellulose inn a blower or foam.
my house has three of those. but they're split logs
word of the wise use hand sanitizer instead of fire jelly its cheaper and more avaliable
install exhaust fan to suck the exhaust outside?
Your pipe should be two feet above your roof line (Code for where I'm from anyways), it would likely give you a better draft and keep the smoke from coming back into the house.
Its best to be 5 foot above the peak
My house is net zero in the winter bc of my solar panels and my wood stove.
When will a manufacturer make a mini pellet stove with automatic feed and thermostat so that it can burn 1 night without manual feeding? Something as small as the Canadian CUBIC (cub / Grizzly).
Time to build a straw bale home.
Does burning corn not create a lot of hydrochloric acid. What corrodes you pipe?
+Hessel Annema Condensation mixed with the high temperatures inside the chimney itself caused the pipe to rapidly deteriorate.
+How Farms Work' That condensate IS corrosive. On commercial size condensing furnaces and water heaters, limestone neutralizing canisters are used to tame the condensate down somewhat. Your pipe, even reconfigured, will still suffer I'm afraid. HTH
You are correct. been burning corn for 12 years and that is my only complaint. I. use heavy galvanized and replace every year.
In all honesty, making that offset at the top a double 45 and then extending it up would be ideal. That double 90 at the top is regrettable. Look int the friction loss of two 90s vs 2 45s.
my dad has a corn stove to
Get some cellulose and blow it in the walls!
Id think each bag only burns for 24 hrs an wood logs are cheaper pellets may make less ash but nothing like actual wood .
Is it not cold in your house 56 is really cold
56 is comfy i keep mine 55 all year long
Our house is 72 degrees
Looks like your house need a siding job.
that's a confusing heating system lol
Please tell me you have a carbon monoxide detector!
it not easy for me to see food "corn" bring burn. here pellets are less expensive than corn.
I don't know how wood pellet stoves work, this just was more confusing. None of this looks code and actually looks hodge-podged and dangerous.
Code? What’s that?
This won’t turn out well🔥
when are going to how the new piece of equipment?
+Jim Pickus Sometime later next week.
Audio terrible
That is one of the worst installations I have ever come across, so many things wrong as well as being a death trap. Get someone in that knows what they are doing to inspect it before you either burn your house down or kill your family via carbon monoxide .
Should have bought the dairy cows their is a lot more going on on a dairy farm , than a crop farm. Your talking about heating a house . Boring just my thought.
+Ben Cosh Gosh Ben, what a shame they're not living their lives, and careers, and working 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week for your entertainment.
+craig horton They did not quit the dairy operation because of the work load they work plenty of hours in the current operation they have.