From Hel to Hell - Similarities and Differences between Old Norse and Christian Underworld
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- On this video, as the title suggests, I shall speak of the Old Norse Hel in comparison to the Christian Hell, since there seems to be some assumptions that Hel would be similar to the Christian Infernus.
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Thank you Arith for a very timely video..... as always. I am busy writing my living will, giving instructions not to be kept alive through life support or other artificial medical intervention. My ashes must be thrown into the wind on my favourite mountain while Wardruna's Helvegen is being played....as loudly as possible!
What the hell I am looking forward to a new adventure, whether it's in Hel or not.
😊 absolutely!
Hello dear friend. Best of luck in that! I wanted to do the same, however, very specific, and important things (to me), are not legal in my country, so I've passed on the word to those closest to me, and upon my death things will have to be conducted in secret. It's funny and weird that I want a simple life for myself, but my after-death wishes are more elaborate and "fancy" lol. I think it all comes down to a sort of ritual-passage for the next adventure, right?! :D hehe. Best of luck, all the best to you and yours, and may such wishes be granted, but, hopefully, may such a time be far off, still, in your life. Cheers! Have a wonderful day!
This was very useful! Thank-you!
Hello my dear friend, how is it going? It's been a while since last we spoke, especially since I've left most social media networks, but just the other day (7 days ago, I think) I took a peep at Instagram and I saw your picture ^^ holding feijoas :D Thank you for your support and friendship, as always. Have a wonderful day! :D
Thank you for your videos. Your work is so far beyond others in quality and accuracy i cant say that enough. Even better then jacksons stuff. The depth of knowledge you givecout in every video is just amazing. I was into old norse sagas and history back when it wasn't cool or heard of. I went around for years talking about njalls saga, egils saga, and the history of the Norway kings. I just wanted to thank you for the level of accuracy, information, and love that you bring to the topic
Hello there friend. You are most kind, thank you very much :D I wouldn't say my content is better (or worse) than Crawford's, only different. He focuses on linguistics, namely Old Norse language and its etymological roots, I focus more on my field, which is archaeology, which requires another approach which deals more with social and human sciences. I think our work (and of others) can be complementary. As long as information flows freely, that's what counts :D I remember when I took my first steps towards paganism, at the age of 14-15, and it was surprisingly hard to get any sources on anything. I didn't have internet, UA-cam didn't even exist yet, Google was rather recent, not a lot of people were writing extensively about pre-Christian belief systems of any sort, and certainly even less about indigenous religiosities and animistic myths and religions. I'm just happy to be around and giving a little contribution, and allowing people to have access to knowledge. That makes me happy and gives me a purpose. Don't want people to have to go through the struggles we had to endure to get our hands on some useful and unbiased information. Thank you for your support. Thank you for being in there. Have a wonderful day!
I must say, this is a very intriguing video Arith.
Hopefully it will be useful. Thank you!
@@ArithHärger most definitely, beliefs are what makes my world spin. ☺️
Interesting information on an interesting topic. Thank you!
Thank you friend :D
Notification squad here! So happy to catch your new video tonight!
Grazie 👋👏👏👏👏
A wonderful treat as always. I enjoy listening to your videos while i let my dog run through the woods
Excellent, thanks for your explanations.
With pleasure, and it has been an honour. Thank you for being in there :D
This was great, Arith. I haven't finished yet, but I've loved what I've watched so far.
On my channel, I spoke about the origins of the Helm of Awe and encouraged viewers to come to you for a better understanding of the staves origins, as I am not as good at articulating this information as you are. Long time fan and have taken a lot of inspiration from you.
Looking forward to finishing the rest of this video. (After I get off work. )
Best regards. Keep doing what you're doing, some of us appreciate it more than you know.
Thank you very much friend. Hope you have a wonderful day, best wishes and take care. I'll take a look at your channel btw :D
@@ArithHärger Holy crap, Arith. Wow! Thank you! I was ... not expecting such a response. Gaut help me. Sorry if you find my content cringe. But thank you so much! Stay happy and healthy, brother. :)
"...much like in Paris..." Ah the little gemstones found along the way.
Hello, it's good to see you again! Have you asked UA-cam why subscribers don't always receive the bell alert when you edit your videos!?
Some of us were already worried!
Loved the video, by the way as always! Thank you for the excellent information, see you in the next video, Wednesdays as usual isn't it?
Hello there! Thank you :D thank you for being in there, still, and for being attentive. Indeed, I have asked UA-cam what is going on, but no concrete answer was given. They say everything is fine. I'm still here, every wednesday, for the past - and almost - 6 years and a half. Cheers! Have a wonderful day!
@@ArithHärger Love you!
🤩Congratulations Mr Arith! Love this video very Informative!
Wonderful work♥︎ thank u so much for sharing!!
Nice shirt mate. Where'd you get it?
I paid the iron price >:D !!! . . . nãaa... got it cheap from a second-hand-items village market :)
Great Video Arith, I guess we will only find the real answer when our time is due, although I do have certain expectations which all in all are positive😊
Thanks...its no rate that this. Conceptions have the intromision of jesuit hand....thanks for quit the veil an open the mind to more awareness in your culture..the same intepretations with much cristian interpretations and believes in the past of Mexico....i send a crown of laurel like a present for your klowledge...thanks from my heath❤
I love Hel, she's magnificent. Dark, mysterious, powerful but evil? No, not really, she's the goddess of death that's it.
She’s a bit more than that 🙄 so no that’s not IT.
Thanks for your indepth and well researched information on these subjects on your channel.
Thank you very much for your support and for your time. Be well, and many blessings!
In the fairytales of the brother's Grimm there is the tale of Frau Holle which is associated with the word "Hölle" - so "Miss Hell". Some scholars believe it as an echo of the original mythology. It depicts the realm of hell as a place that is different depending on your attitude (and a place where the snow comes from). The goddess herself is depicted as nice and cruel, depending on how you treat her. So, you may have a good live in her realm if you are diligent & kind.
It depends on which version of the story how she behaves. In one version the gate entrance decides....also, the most known version of Holle is rewritten with patriarchal hands....
@@debbyvanlinden5705 Oh yes. Not only patriarchal but outright 18th century "to serve shall be your highest goal" mentaility. I just think Hulda (the leader of the wild hunt), Holle & Hel are quite similar in their association with death. In combination with Nerthus, this points towards a more widespread "Life and Death" Goddess cult. But yes, quasi all records we have are written by men from a different cultural background.
Amor, eu amei seu vídeo. Muito obrigada mais uma vez pelo conhecimento.
I think Hell is mostly cold in Dante's Inferno. Which is strange considering how it has shaped a lot of modern-day Christian conception of Hell. It's cooled by the beating of the giant wings of the Devil.
All of your videos are amazingly helpful and interesting! Thank you so so much for all of your time and effort! 🙏🏻💖✨
Your videos are very clarifying. Muito obrigada!
Arith, Isn't Helheim a realm of eternal Autumn ?
In Slavic Paganism We have Pav ( the Afterlife) & Nav ( the Underworld)... Niflheim is for those who have broken oaths ?
From Hell to Hell i learnt that the spark the genuine original spark was always with me. Arith i was clinically dead almost 12 years ago and i was given only 5 years from my surgeon. They chamged my name in order to safe my life and they didnt let me go to the other department. The director of fhe hospital called the 2 chiefs of each department and the one protecting me won the case. I will always appreciate the sudslavic people for saving my life. SaFe i meant with F.
I would assume we all kinda have that divine spark…..I mean…..thought that was obvious 🙄🤣😂
19:11 Infernus goes back to "ndher" Latin and where we get the prefix infra as in infrared the lowest level of visible light measurable!
Love your stuff kick on love it
Would you be surprised to know that O'Din walks the earth again??
Tell him to drop on by
When did he ever stop?
@@coryd951 exactly what I was gonna say. I don’t think any of the Gods stopped walking Midgard
I heard somewhere that Helinski is somehow linked to the location of Hel, I wish I remembered the video...
This man is very intelligent.
I tend to lean more toward how Jackson Crawford interprets it. Hel is made up of all the afterlife locations. Niflheimr, Valhǫll, Fólkvangr, etc. are likely all different aspects of the same place.
Hello there. That is a plausible interpretation, but it has quite a lot of flaws when we focus the study on each of the afterlife places we can find both in the Myths (and poetic material and sagas) and on the archaeological record. Mind you that I follow Crawford's work and I have no doubt he is a reliable source of information, and I like the fact that when he doesn't know (as his field is linguistics) he calls in experts on other matters. With all due respect towards him, and you, I find the idea of Hel, as a junction of all the afterlife places, to be rather simple and lazy, as it lacks the animistic understanding of after-death conceptions typical of the Iron Age and other previous periods, and a deeper study on folklore, myths and animistic belief systems. All interpretations are plausible until there's evidences to refute them. Old Norse afterlife is far too complex to be placed within a single realm, which is why in post-Christian written sources there are so many contradictions concerning afterlife places, and making Hel a single realm of the dead, even though skaldic poetry and other earlier sources clearly demonstrate a diverse animistic cosmology, but Christian authors had a far simple perspective concerning the afterlife, as such, (and by lacking the knowledge of an animistic world-view) they have over-simplified Hel. The Scandinavian Iron Age demonstrates the culmination of several belief systems and several conceptions of different afterlife places that were eventually (many of them) fused with the Hall Culture. But more on this in future videos. Have a great day and thank you for your feedback.
The great mystery for me is why is this all "norse" rather than "germanic"? There's a clear yet unexplained need for people interested in this broad area to grant it all to scandinavia (all the while talking english, of course) when we know that old "norse" beliefs were, unsurprisingly, kin-close with the rest of the pagan germanic world, though many small details were probably different. I'm surprised I don't see anyone in the comments asking, "so why do we call it hell in english...?" - the clear answer being that the christians pulled the same trick with the old english. I doubt you think the anglo-saxons were norse because many of them came from denmark.
I'm saying this because I've grown up hearing all of this being described simply as "norse", and it took me a stupid amount of time to find out that the english, dutch and germans had beliefs that were basically a sibling to these beliefs. All it takes is one acknowledgement in a video. Yet it really does end up feeling like people go out of their way to hide this.
❤God bless you buddy. Hi buddy it's jordan. ×××All's well.×××
Hell-O.
I open myself to thee.
From the bottom of my interdimensional being, to you, as a welcoming and earnest greet.
Hell-O.
/or something like that.
Im a african(american) ive been sutdying west african cultures such as Yoruba and Voodon and there are similarties to Norse culture and i found all intruiging much. Resepect.
I think the guard dog has origin in ancient siberians. Even native americans have this myth. Personally I believe snorri in that one.
If Hell is Australia, is then Norway Paradise?
I just want to let you know that the legend of hell is about prince Charles island. almost all myths and ancient artwork are maps.
oi, that Australia dig, hmph, but youre not wrong, it is end of winter & already dry & hot, we are predicted to fry this summer yikes
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I find you insulting with your comment identifying Norse as a myth and not a religion. I can say the so called Christian god is a sham as well. Christians copy for many religions including the Norse religion. I will thank you to please be tolerant of others when speaking about their beliefs.
You clearly don't know the content of this channel and who I am. Give a few tries on other videos of mine on Nordic studies. Have a good day.