I’m so glad I bought in back in 2019 and doubted it would go anywhere fast! And now I’m getting my new vehicle in May when my current Beemer lease is up.
Yeah... we thank you for your "high quality" personal opinion, you smart ass! Listen, dummy: BMW is the No. 1 premiumcarmaker in the world. No dummy opinion coming from "experts" like you will change this!
I had a 2019 X5 40i and now have a 2023 X7 M60i. Looked at the Cayenne both times but just could not understand why it cost 40-50k more outside of having to pay the Porsche tax. Finally good to see a review that actually tackles that ridiculous delta instead of pretending both cars are equally priced.
The Porsche tax is worth it to many people because of (a) how you can customize it to your liking a la carte, and (b) the superior design of driver controls and screens … As a veteran Porsche owner, I can say that it’s possible to spend close to base MSRP and get a fabulous vehicle without loading up on crazy options; for me that happily means all-metal roof, smallest wheels, no “premium” packages, no additional expensive interior options having to do with leather or carbon fiber, etc.
@@cbatiau2528 I think the argument makes more sense for the 911, but it doesn't hold true as much for the Cayenne. How many Cayenne owners are going down the PTS and Manufactur route with their vehicles? Anecdotal, but I barely see any Cayennes with specialty paint or bespoke options in the way I see 911s with them. In either case, more people skip the tax as the X5 outsells the Cayenne by almost double (and there are plenty of Cayenne allocations unlike the 911).
@@samsharma9207 I doubt that the X5 outsells the Cayenne if the prices are the same. And, actually, E-Hybrid Cayenne allocations are rather sparse right now; the 2024 version appears to be quite popular. Dealerships tend to do the same-old thing with all their cars -- get pano roofs (most people I know don't care for them and/or don't even want them), get large wheels (reduces safety and range and comfort), and put in premium packages with stuff that most people don't need (and often won't even use). In the GLE 450e, I can't get ACC without ordering a huge package of stuff that I don't want/need and spend a bunch of cash for that unneeded/unwanted stuff. When you special-order your own Porsche, you can trim out so much excess and get what you want -- and, for sure, people with huge amounts of disposable income will max out their specially-optioned cars with very unnecessary stuff. But there's a lot of good stuff that you can option in Cayennes that you simple cannot option in an X5 or a GLE, like heated windshield, infrared camera, compass/clock on dashboard, all-metal roof, and (in Taycan) electrochromic glass roofs. I also feel much safer in a Cayenne than in a GLE or an X5 (or an XC90, even) on the road, due to better stability, lower roofline, and lower center-of-gravity.
@@japanwatchconnection yes, the Tourareg and Cayenne were built in the same factory, I think, back 20 years ago, built on the same platform and with same engine (at least years ago)... I wish that VW brought the Tourareg PHEV to America, as I'd likely buy it.
in Mar 2020 I bought a 2020 x5 40i after seeing your video on the 2019. It's been the best car I have bought till date and it's been quite a few cars. the B58 is truly God's engine and paired with that zf 8spd, it's glorious. I've done 74k miles in 4 years and I expect to hit 150k by 2028. I want to push it as far as I can and I believe she can take it all. It makes no sense buying a Cayenne or a range rover when we have this and the GLE shouldn't even be in this conversation. great video, as always. cheers
I completely resonate with the same. I have a September 2020 x40i and it has been great so far. In a 2000 mile road trip recently I got 26-28 mpg and it was so good to drive. No fatigue. I just had a steering column problem which was replaced under warranty
@@chrisnwanzejust remember I live in napa bougie land and 2023 rang rovers and land rovers are REGULARLY on the side of the rode lookin pretty with some older person sitting in there waiting for a tow truck. Like ughhhh I want one so bad but omg I’d like to arrive somewhere with out it breaking. Have a neighbor with a defender and omg this fool constantly has loaner vehicles… plot twist the discovery they gave him as a loaner broke too smh 🤦🏾♀️
Let’s be honest here. The ACTUAL only reason why you buy the Cayenne is because your Porsche dealer “needs” you to buy 3-5 cars from them before they allocate you a GT3 you’ll spend 5 years waiting for.
@@royshavrickHe himself admitted that the only reason he got one is because of his online/social media presence in the car community. Average Joe coming in off the street won't get a GT3RS even if he walked in with 400 grand in cash and a willingness to take all the most expensive options.
Sweet spot trim is 50e, best of both worlds, Car & Driver achieved 3.9 0-60 test(exact same time they got fromM60), get 100+ MPGe as commuter if you charge at home, for $80K US w/ M Sport package (not including rebate if eligible)
It is iDrive 8.5 just a more stripped down version. 2023 built BMW i4 also has this. Which means it still has the faster processor of 8.5 and new better layout compared to 8.0, but less gimmicks.
Isn’t it just 8.5? The android based cars with the new hardware format are iDrive 9 (incl the new Mini and so on). 7, 8, 8.5 all use variations of the MGU centered architecture.
I drove the I6 and the V8 versions of this car back-to-back, and I really really noticed the extra weight up-front in the V8. It felt significantly more ponderous through the corners, and by contrast the B58 variant felt downright light on its feet. This + the B58's reliability would lead me to pick that option every day of the week. It's also still quick and is significantly cheaper.
The dissonance of talking up the infotainment system while it ignores repeated touch inputs @2:00 is immaculate. These systems should be outlawed for how dangerous the distraction is 😮💨
See, I used to think the same, then I observed myself and realized: Who gives a shit? When I drive all I do is, well driving. I do not fiddle about with the climate control, it is set to 21C and stays there, I do not fiddle about with the radio, because I have it off and I do not fiddle about with any settings, since I set them once when I get the car and then leave it. I really wanna know what ya'll are doing, when you should keep your eyes on the road?
A beast of an SUV regardless of engine. I own one and it gives me a smile daily after a few years. I have to say I’m shocked the passenger doesn’t get car sick. I forget his name…. You guys are great!
Why doesn't BMW offer the Bowers and Wilkins on the X5 40i? Seems like they're leaving money on the table. I mean, there has to be decent margins on that $3,400 option, but I don't see people willing to step up to the M60i in order to buy it.
Chip shortage. They took it off everything but the top models it seems. I wanted a 550i and they removed it as an option but it was still available on the 850i.
I don't think you need the B&W with the latest HK system, and in at least two tests, the HK sounded _better_ IMO. See my comments in this BMW X5 audio review: ua-cam.com/video/Zv2wRWnGkPI/v-deo.html&lc=Ugz1djPnBYZe8JTIvKx4AaABAg
You guys are so right, I debated a Porsche Cayenne vs BMW X5 in 2015. I went with the X5 50 and loved it, owned it for 8 years before trading it in for a Porsche Macan. The main issue I saw was a similar Cayenne was 22k more than an X5 and was smaller. We have a truck now we use for truck stuff, F150 and the Macan for a drivers car. The X5 was the best all around 2 row suv, miss that V8 of that car. Could not recommend the X5 more.
Best car ever in term of usability and performance with the B58 engine, I still enjoy driving my X5 40i every time I get into it, thanks for your review it's always informative and enjoyable. I like your smiles when you rev the M60i
Agree 100% with all your comments on the cayenne vs X5 comparison. I had a 17 X5, now drive a 22 cayenne, and recently rented a 23 x5 for a week. Based on my experience, one of the important things you did not mention is, cayenne PCM sucks, Bluetooth connectivity is awful, it does not even come close the any version of iDrive. To me the argument is simple, if you want just the driving experience, go for a cayenne, if you want a vehicle you need to use everyday for life, its x5. I am going back to x5 next year. Thanks for the great video guys.
After owning numerous Porsches over the year I went back to BMW as well. The price delta for the difference in performance is so small, that it`s just now worth it to me any longer.
According to the statistics gathered from my own shop, the latest iterations of BMW engines (especially the B58) are built substantially well. As long as you do your maintenance, these engines should reach 100K miles. But regardless, German engines run hotter. Their regulating coolant temps are 220-230F. And when running in extreme heat like Texas summers, plastic hoses will crack, gaskets will harden, etc.
I had an x5 back wanna say late 90s. Loved the car except I’m convinced when you hit 70+k miles on it, someone in Germany presses a button and car starts bleeding oil and then all other sorts of expensive problems. My x5 actually shut down middle of night while driving w friends on a ski trip Cause was the software needed to be updated. My question, has the reliability, bug issues gotten better with this car? I still miss it a lot and 2024 looks nice but I can do without the maintenance headaches that I had. Good video. 👍🏻
@@carloslopez9486 Big asterisks on that. First, it's for the COMBINATION of those three traits and others; it doesn't mean they're the best at each one. Second, it's an averaged rating across all their models, which is pretty meaningless when you're buying only one.
Have a 2021 M50i. Bought a CPO last summer with mileage in the low 20s for a $30k discount with a massive extended warranty. Eats miles in silence and it’s quick. I think of it as the replacement for the 2001 740i just quieter and way quicker. Handles ok, but shines on long road trips.
I've got 10k on my 24 type s and it has been exactly like their review. It isn't type s special like you'd want, fuel economy is so so, but it is so well put together and makes you smile when you want to push it some. I didn't look at a base X5 because I want to own for a long time and reliability and repair costs become a bigger issue
I owned a 22 MDX Type S w/ Advanced Package, optioned out, upgraded to the PHEV X5 50e for more hp believe it or not. Type S was great, 3rd Acura, great value proposition compared to base X5 40i for same $, HUD, cooled seats, adaptive air suspension, solid motor, had everything, also more rare than base X5, sweet rims, walk away closing rear tailgate, etc…. If I was going to have a car for 5 yrs, would pick Acura for reliability over base X5. For a Type “S” though, performance at 10/10 was slightly weak, + MPG wasn’t great. 50e is well over second faster to 60, faster 1/4 mile, plus way better MPG, but paid about $8K more than MDX. MDX S to base X5, MDX is more reliable, much lower maintenance. Need more performance, go 50e. Downside 50e, more complicated, need to charge, more things to fail
The "lease this car" because of how much it depreciates argument rarely makes any sense. Lease payments are primarily determined by depreciation. And, unless the manufacturer is subsiding the lease program more than the buy/rebate program or you can take advantage of specific tax laws (which are generally not applicable to the typical W2 employee), the lease payments will usually cost you more than the depreciation, otherwise the captive or other finance co. that is leasing you the vehicle would lose money.
@@japanwatchconnection But the average person, who wants nothing to do with reselling a vehicle, or even servicing it over the long term, gets what they perceive as a lower monthly payment that doesn't really change after the 36/48/50 month lease period. All they know is they trade keys for a brand new vehicle, which is all that matters to them.
The main advantage of the lease is that the lease company takes the risk that they can sell the car for the residual value. Financing now also favors new cars versus used due to lower financing rates. I do agree that CPO makes a lot of sense with most BMWs.
@@42dunbar correct regarding the lease company taking the risk on what the car will be worth at the end of the lease, but they charge for that. It’s another reason why the lease payments usually end up being more than the depreciation.
@japanwatchconnectionSo much that isn’t accurate here. If you care about money as you wrote, you don’t pay cash for cars that depreciate with each passing year. Invest that cash in real estate. Also, the dealer sells the cars 2 time after the lease return comes back, they don’t sell a car over and over. You are describing what happens at “Buy Here, Pay Here, lots that repossess cars every few months. Those are profit centers. Dealers make their profit in the maintenance department and parts department.
I got 24mpg on a roadtrip in the LCI X6M competition last year going about 85mph on average. I agree with Jack, having some half decent fuel economy so you can get some driving range on your roadtrips is nice to have. Oh and it’s still fast af. Great SUV. Great review.
@@Chazlovesburnoutsfor all shit bmw gets and deserves they do have a good hand at making powerplants with good grunt, great economy considering the their output and still a touch of top-of-the-rev-range pizazz
If yours is anything like my X3M Comp, fuel economy is a jeckyl and hyde thing. It's either awesome or terrible... no in between. I took a 400 mile road trip and it made it all the way there (just barely) on 1 tank of fuel averaging 25.5 mpg and 25.1 mpg the trip back avg around 75 mph both trips. Around town driving though, it's avg about 15~17mpg and burns through a tank every 250~270 miles. No regrets though. It's an absolutely hilarious vehicle but still hella practical for my working dad life.
These are very, very good. I rented a pre-facelift one in Germany last summer and although it was a base 30d I found it to be absolutely fantastic over 1,000 KM of mixed city / autobahn driving. We're on our second Cayenne and my wife asked for another because we loved the first one so much but after driving the X5....I'm wondering a bit where my extra money went. That last 5% of an improvement costs you a lot. I'm glad I got the pre-facelift Cayenne as I believe the price jumped even more and the quality is lower. Edit: it's funny Jack said that last 5-10%. because I said that before even watching the video. LOL. He completely made my same point. I ordered the pre-facelift Cayenne as a hybrid, because it was better than the X5 45e. But the new 50e is comparable to the Cayenne. If I had to do it again...I'd probably get the BMW. Net net, it is $85k vs. $115k.
@@LafemmebearMusicCayenne had more range and more power than 45e in EV mode. find the 45e to be underpowered compared to the Cayenne hybrid (2023, the battery was upgraded in 2021). Now the 50e and the refreshed Cayenne are the same for each, range and power.
I felt like the X5 was always a bit more up there in the range since day one. I don't see mnay of em and they have always been crazy expensive. But 100k is definitely bizarre
My dad bought a brand new X5 back in 06’ for $70K, which considering inflation would be $100K in todays money. Nothing has changed, except now we get a better car for our money.
Definitely better than the Cayenne and GLE. It’s cheaper than both, while being quicker, more fuel efficient, and coming with 3 year complementary maintenance. Doesn’t make sense why anybody would pay SO much more for a Cayenne when the styling is worse and drives marginally better.. but let’s be honest, the people (mostly soccer moms) buying this aren’t going to be going up canyon roads every day, making the Cayenne pretty much obsolete. My dream garage is a X5 M or Audi RS6 Avant, with a Porsche 911 Turbo S cabriolet. For now, I’ll stick to my 11’ BMW 328i xDrive Sport Wagon haha
I bought the sedan version of this car (M550i) because of exactly what you said, I wanted a V8 and nothing else! It is an amazing car and I get near M5 performance for a lot less money and a way better everyday driving experience than the true M car. Oh and as you also said, if you can get these cars a couple of years old, they are an incredible value! I got my 2021 M550i that had an MSRP of $90k for $58k with a BMW certified warranty! This car kind of achieves the same thing in the SUV category. I agree that the Cayenne is better but not so much better that it justifies the significant premium. If money was no issue, then I'd get a Cayenne Turbo GT. My wife has the B58 version of this car and it is such a great vehicle! The engine is awesome, the transmission is near perfect and the car is super comfortable with a very capable adaptive suspension to match. No one does luxury SUV's better than BMW at a price that is still somewhat affordable!
Great review! My lease on a 2021 BMW X5M Comp ended last week and I picked up my new 2024 X5 M60i instead. My new M60i is practically loaded with every option you can get and order, including but not limited to exterior carbon fiber mirror caps and side breathers. The power is more than what I need, it rides much better than my old X5MC, and it was much cheaper. I couldn't get the M seat belts, or cooled and heated cup holders, but instead, the M60i has the Integral Active Steering and the 4-wheel steering, which I love very much. I added the anti-roll stabilizer and overall the car handles really well.
I love the depreciation of these things. I can pick these up around 5 years old for about half the price and as a DIYer, handle all maintenance tasks on the cheap.
I’m picking mine up on Monday. Upgrading from the X3 M40. So pumped! This was extremely helpful to pull the trigger and the comment about the B&W sound system was the validation I needed.
I bought my X5 because of its efficiency. No, fuel cost doesn't matter to me. But I enjoy the BMW tech that gives me more power with less fuel than competitors. I hit 30mpg between la and sf on freeway. I'm on Jack's side on that statement. It is very nice to be stopping by gas station once or twice a month is very convenient.
I drove the 8, bought the 2024 40i. No, fuel costs don’t matter that much to me either, but the six is also quick, more reliable than the 8, lighter, and I love the highway mileage.
@@DaveP-uv1ml what's interesting is BMW at some point in 2010s began recommending minimum 89 octane. My previous 2009 x5's minimum was 91. I havent tested but since 89 is the minimum on 2019 and forward, it would still get the same efficiency, less some power loss i think
I got the 2021 X5 40i and I'm still impressed how great it drives. I've always been a sedan guy but two kids and a wife effectively made it mandatory to get an suv.
In my opinion, the upgrade in power IS NOT very noticeable. I mean it's slightly quicker, but nothing huge. The big difference is in the Hybrid model (50e). That one is is a beast! Source: I upgraded from a 2020 40i, to a 2024 40i.
I have a 2019 X5 4.0 with 40k miles. I leased it for 3 years and bought it off lease during covid because of unavailability of a replacement vehicle. I am now "stuck" with the vehicle because I haven't driven anything I like better. Drives and handles fantastically, Not a fan of IDrive 8.0. Guess I'm stuck for a while.
In car infotainment system really peaked at Idrive 7. All the buttons you need daily is easily accessable and you retain the all mightly 1 to 8 fav button and it also retain a sleek minial design. IMO best in car system ever.
Agree. I have iDrive 7 and I fear next year when I have to switch car. BMW basically had the most praised infotainment ever and throw it out of the window for some gimmicky crap.
iDrive 8 SUUUUUCCKS! The 8 shortcut buttons are gone. Climate control buttons are gone. Heated seats and ventilated seats are now have to be turned on / off in software. Manual turning on of low beam headlights and PARKING LIGHTS are in iDrive. Was the turn-style headlight switch too complicated, for BMW? Even the HEATED STEERING WHEEL BUTTON is gone. Won't buy another BMW until BMW undoes iDrive 8 buttonless stupidity.
If you don’t need the extra room, the X3M is the better buy. $80k vs $120k (X5M) and with a good flash tune is ~800 (crank horsepower). What you miss out on is V8 rumble.
X3M has crazy performance but comes with tradeoffs in ride quality. It's great but not for everyone. If you don't care about carving canyons or drag racing, X540i is just the best choice as a do-everything commuter.
From MW online: "bread and butter" : a means of sustenance or livelihood It means that it keeps the lights on at BMW. Same thing with Porsche. Many forget that Porsche would be gone (or a subsidiary) without the SUVs. @@AmoebaCulture And you thought devn3813 was in a pickle. 🥒
Saw one the other day and had to make a comment how the lighting on the rear turn signals is attrocious. Never mind the fact they BMW refuses to have separate amber signals (Mercedes and Audi are starting to introduce them now), but on the X5, the LED's light up from a low output to high output instead of high to low. Not sure how best to describe it other than many Mazda's have their amber turn signals fade from bright to low but BMW is the opposite. Had someone on the highway trying to change lanes and you could barely see the lighting, espcially during the day time.
Just wait for some other schmuck to drive a Cayenne off the lot and then buy it after depreciation. that 30k MSRP difference shrinks fast on the used market.
Got my X5 M60i literally a week ago. Loving it! My very first SUV, and it's so very practical as a daily driver. The rear wheel steering and the split tail gate are awesome, and the 530 HP costs much less than what you would need to shell out for a Cayenne. Forget X5M. All you get for it is a louder engine, but you also have to forgo things like air suspension. M60i is the way to go.
I hate to tell you, but wait 2 years and see how happy you are. We traded ours in after 3 years and took a major loss. These vehicles are nice on paper, but ownership is another thing. Endless issues and endless dead batteries.
@@theaviator06 It's a lease under my company name and I will be trading it in after 40 months or so. As for depreciation, my previous lease was an M5 with even worse depreciation so I know what I am in for.
Nice. My wife's got an X3, and recently rented an X5 and, frankly, loved the X5. I'm trying to convince my wife to upgrade. 😂 She thinks the X5 would be too big. Idk if it's really worth it or not as she doesn't care about the performance.
This will be our next suv to replace our old Vw Touareg, we won't lease we buy in cash and keep for around 10 years since the mileage will be around 10k a year. The treg is still on the original battery and we just replace the $2200 brakes as it's barely at 75k miles and 2017. We aren't worried about depreciation on it, we just don't like having massive payments continuously considering I'm the commuter and own a 330i also that gets replace several years sooner due to the mileage and point of substantial repairs. We've found a nice blend of savings and enjoyment of our money and that's how we do it. Commuting cost are absolutely silly nowadays on everything.
Fun fact: when BMW and Toyota decided to collaborate on the Z4 and the Supra, BMW wanted to design the engine. So they sent their proposed twin turbo 6 and the twin turbo 4 to Toyota in Japan for testing. They failed the tests. Toyota noted the failures, and sent them back. (Toyota had started from the get go that reliability would have to be to their standards, they didn’t want their dealerships flooded with repair issues). So BMW made some changes and sent them back for testing. They failed again. So Toyota sent their engineers to Germany. Together, they came to with a design and finally passed all the reliability tests. This came from a friend of mine who is a regional trainer for mechanics at Toyota. It explains so much about the improved reliability of BMW in general. I wouldn’t hesitate at all to buy any newer BMW. I’m sure they even applied what they designed with the final engines to the 8 cylinder. Thanks for the great content. I always enjoy your takes on the different vehicles that you guys review. Cheers!🍻
Im sorry but no. That is a fully made up American story. They just get an engine. If they would be even half seriously about quality they would have done something about the Stellantis Van they slap the name on where it actually is some money. Not a small production sportscar. Try look up Toyota Proace, its crap btw with laughable quality and Peugeot engines.
Have owned (2) previous X5 generation vehicles. Loved both of them. Bought the 2022 X5 4.0 with M package since the base model was like a "living room couch on wheels". Stay away from the heated/cooled/massage seat variant. There is so much hardware in the seat, there was no room left for padding. Backaches after 1 hour on the road.
Don't forget Jaguar F-Pace, which shares same I6 - I highly recommend it as much better value and performance. Have 2023 SVR, with the much better 550hp supercharged V8. Love it much more than 2021 X6 M40 i had prior to the F-Pace SVR.
Exactly! And the GLE 450e is better, not worse, than the X5 in terms of physical buttons/switches by a long shot … you can use the track pad on the GLE and almost never touch the infotainment screen … priceless …
NGL I love everything about the X5 3.0. The looks, the engine, everything is amazing. And I don't think at $75k or whatever you're worried about depreciation in any real sense. If you're trying to fudge your car as an asset get a Honda CRV. But for me the reality is... $75-80k for an SUV with a lot of maintenance costs is just way too much. I am 30, so maybe it's just a time in my life. I'm certainly worried when I'm at my "business executive phase" they wont make them like this anymore. Oh well. c'est la vie
As a current owner of an 23 M850i and a 24 X5 50 e (i have both engines, the hybrid B58 and the 4.4 V8) at my disposal I have to say the price delta of give or take $20k is not worth it. Yes, the V8 is 0.3 seconds faster but in real world driving the difference is hardly noticable. I drove both and decided on the hybird as a daily for economical reasons.
I can't imagine owning a BMW hybrid system out of warranty. A turboed BMW out of warranty will bankrupt an owner of average wage all in pursuit of the ultimate driving machine and outdoing the Jones in the neighborhood. But adding a second propulsion system? aka a motor hybrid drive system on top is the proverbial cherry. Pure gold. On some level I can't wait to watch how far these depreciate as suckers try to keep these cars running out of warranty as they shed 50 IP warning lights and related codes as proud owners of vehicles voted mostly likely to become landfill the soonest scramble as their BMW goes into limp mode to find someone smart enough to fix one. Ten years from now, how about finding parts? These vehicles won't exist 10 years from now, all will be in the crusher, of course, careful about crushing that battery. BMW's voted least reliable now? Hold my Bud Light. Owners won't be able to afford the replacement parts as tech's fake their computer diagnostic capability and throw parts at these monstrosities hoping the codes go away. It used to be, stopping at a BMW service center every time cost the customer $1K aka one BMW spending unit. In recent years that has risen to $2K. Multiply that by 3 with a hybrid system out of warranty. BMW's business model of planned obsolescence, just got another steroid injection. Can't make up a more transparent profit motive, all on the backs of the dumb public. Let's call this the tech hustle.
What a bunch of nonsense. Please tell me how your opinion outweighs that of non-profit consumer reports who after extensive road testing and interviewing thousands of people suggests that BMW over the past few years in number one in overall ownership experience including reliability. You suggesting BMW is unreliable clearly points to the fact that you’re still living 10+ years ago. Wait, what’s that? Hold on… hey the 2010’s called, they want you back.
@@Bimmer_BillCR is invaluable in the landscape, but most of the owner reviews are for cars still under warranty, and their annual listings only go back 7 years …
@@cbatiau2528 correct. So, the answer is on current bmw vehicles under warranty over the next 5+ years “until further notice”, rather than “they will surely blow up and are junk”. Many other brands fail within warranty periods, Range Rover, Dodge, Mercedes have tons of complaints and let’s be honest if there is a design flaw issues will most likely occur sooner, rather than later. Personally, I don’t keep vehicles past 5 years or so and that also applies to a lot of people who shop for luxury vehicles (who have some money). Riding a vehicle for decades well past 100k miles is of no value to me.
@@Bimmer_Bill I don't know what blend of crack you are smoking in that pipe but you need to pass it around. As an automotive engineer, I know how the sausage is made. I hope you buy one for yourself and each family member....lol. You are a deserving candidate.
Question for me is.... does this render the 5 series completely irrelevant? Better looking, more practical, cheaper with the B58. If dynamics matter you get the M340i/M3.
@savagegeese I hope you guys will have the opportunity to review the F-Pace SVR. I'll be curious to know your thoughts aince it's a cheper alternative to the X5M. thx and great review video
its crazy that you say that it is a cheaper alternative than a Cayenne S... Because in Germany the Cayenne S is 4,000 Euro cheaper in base price than the X5 M60i and has a better base option list. And in that case, I think the Cayenne definitely takes the lead when being same price or even slightly cheaper. GLE 580 is 11,000 more than X5 M60 which I find insane, considering that it still needs AMG package etc. to be added as an extra
I buy these used as suggested. Currently have a 2021 Xdrive 40I and it great. What I like about BMW, is if you have the capability, you can still do a lot of the maintenance yourself. A lot of people will not do that so that costs needs to be factored in, but if you have the ability, OI change, transmission service (50k ignore that lifetime crap), brakes, diffs and transaxle none of them are that hard. You need a tool to do service modes, etc. but again can be done by a home mechanic. The vehicle drives great and the B58 is an amazing engine.
I have to agree with almost everything put out in this review. I bought a 21 X5 M50i with 13k on the clock for 64k as a daily driver. It has every option and except dynamic handling. With 315’s on the rear I have no complaints about the handling. Canyon roads out west are a blast for an SUV. The Bowers and Wilkins sound makes you feel like you’re at a concert. The power is so satisfying. I drive7 is very simple to learn and quick to access the main functions of the car. My only critique is the steering inputs are not quite as smooth as the Cayenne. The MB and Audi competition doesn’t come close to what you get with the M50 in my opinion. I did spend an extra 4k for a 24 month bumper to bumper warranty and maintenance package due to the potential very high service costs associated with owning a vehicle like this. My two cents.
I got a new x6 x40i msport recently, and I'm blown away by the solidity, refinement, and efficiency. Bmw says it has 375hp, but allegedly it has 400-440, and I'm averaging 24mpg in mixed driving with loads of stop and go. My focus st got an average of 21mpg, just lol at the 5k lb tank with 400hp beating it. Everything just works really, really well. Is it a sports car? Nope. Is it fast, frugal, and comfortable? Yes.
This is my fav SUV. I’d get the excellent straight 6 engine - no real need for a V8 when the 6 makes such good power w/good MPG In a heavy car. Has ample room - good cargo space and I don’t need a 3rd row. V8 power is addictive and this V8 is amazing without going to the top level V8. Btw, my daily driver is a 600hp pick up truck, so I’m spoiled by power. Love the X5.
@@wallbangerzsports I could buy it new right now, but I won't. None of current cars are worth buying new because of depreciation. Learned it the hard way with my g80. You can find a good 2019+ Cayenne base/S CPO for $60k and less. I'm actually in a market for one.
@@rosgoncharuk2403after I got my 2016 328i for 25k with only 16,500 miles back in 2019 I’ll never buy a new car again. I’m looking at S4s right now and they basically depreciate 20-25k off the lot after 15k miles.
I had a 2023 x7 and LOVED it, except we couldn't keep it on the road. In the shop for 3 months out of the first 6 months of owning it (had to lemon law it) and they couldn't ever figure out why a check engine light kept coming on. so once BMW figures out their electronics, I'll come back.
It depends on where you live. In places with inclines, if you park the X5 on a hill, you don’t have to worry about things flying out the back with a spilt tailgate.
The ultimate leasing machine
Only the foolish dare to own one and it won't be for long because nobody will be able to afford their mortgage owning one of these out of warranty.
@@lukewalker1051 Buy them when they just come off the lease. 3 years old and 1/3 of the price
Ultimate Lease/cpo machine
@@lukewalker1051 i smell a brokie who has no idea what hes talking about.
is this supposed to be a diss to the car?
Had I invested in Nvidia when you guys first started displaying the name in your intro, I'd be able to afford this car.
You’d be able to afford any car lol.
@@michaelzhang8832Any hints on when I should sell?
Don't feel bad. I sold at like $200 when it dipped. I would've made around 250k lol.
I’m so glad I bought in back in 2019 and doubted it would go anywhere fast! And now I’m getting my new vehicle in May when my current Beemer lease is up.
Any hints on when to sell NVDA?
"could have been worse" is the greatest praise to a current bmw design
Yeah... we thank you for your "high quality" personal opinion, you smart ass!
Listen, dummy: BMW is the No. 1 premiumcarmaker in the world.
No dummy opinion coming from "experts" like you will change this!
I find the new X1 and X5 look good but the design team must have started taking shrooms when looking at the new X3😅
Except the design of the X5 has actually improved a lot.
What? This looks worse than the iX.
I had a 2019 X5 40i and now have a 2023 X7 M60i. Looked at the Cayenne both times but just could not understand why it cost 40-50k more outside of having to pay the Porsche tax. Finally good to see a review that actually tackles that ridiculous delta instead of pretending both cars are equally priced.
The Porsche tax is worth it to many people because of (a) how you can customize it to your liking a la carte, and (b) the superior design of driver controls and screens … As a veteran Porsche owner, I can say that it’s possible to spend close to base MSRP and get a fabulous vehicle without loading up on crazy options; for me that happily means all-metal roof, smallest wheels, no “premium” packages, no additional expensive interior options having to do with leather or carbon fiber, etc.
@@cbatiau2528 I think the argument makes more sense for the 911, but it doesn't hold true as much for the Cayenne. How many Cayenne owners are going down the PTS and Manufactur route with their vehicles? Anecdotal, but I barely see any Cayennes with specialty paint or bespoke options in the way I see 911s with them. In either case, more people skip the tax as the X5 outsells the Cayenne by almost double (and there are plenty of Cayenne allocations unlike the 911).
@@samsharma9207 I doubt that the X5 outsells the Cayenne if the prices are the same. And, actually, E-Hybrid Cayenne allocations are rather sparse right now; the 2024 version appears to be quite popular. Dealerships tend to do the same-old thing with all their cars -- get pano roofs (most people I know don't care for them and/or don't even want them), get large wheels (reduces safety and range and comfort), and put in premium packages with stuff that most people don't need (and often won't even use). In the GLE 450e, I can't get ACC without ordering a huge package of stuff that I don't want/need and spend a bunch of cash for that unneeded/unwanted stuff. When you special-order your own Porsche, you can trim out so much excess and get what you want -- and, for sure, people with huge amounts of disposable income will max out their specially-optioned cars with very unnecessary stuff. But there's a lot of good stuff that you can option in Cayennes that you simple cannot option in an X5 or a GLE, like heated windshield, infrared camera, compass/clock on dashboard, all-metal roof, and (in Taycan) electrochromic glass roofs. I also feel much safer in a Cayenne than in a GLE or an X5 (or an XC90, even) on the road, due to better stability, lower roofline, and lower center-of-gravity.
@@cbatiau2528well, that’s why Porsche sells a bunch of ‘em. But I think the point is, the way most people buy them, they cost a lot more.
@@japanwatchconnection yes, the Tourareg and Cayenne were built in the same factory, I think, back 20 years ago, built on the same platform and with same engine (at least years ago)... I wish that VW brought the Tourareg PHEV to America, as I'd likely buy it.
3:30 Pay mandatory b58 tribute.
I bet he creamed his pants
B58 jokes never get old 😂
Dude when I drove the B58 before launch, I just knew it was an insane engine. It was nuts
@@MarianDascalu What jokes? It's literally the BEST engine in the world.
@@fuhrerhosty For sure it is. The amount of praises it gets is what's funny, albeit deserved
in Mar 2020 I bought a 2020 x5 40i after seeing your video on the 2019. It's been the best car I have bought till date and it's been quite a few cars. the B58 is truly God's engine and paired with that zf 8spd, it's glorious. I've done 74k miles in 4 years and I expect to hit 150k by 2028. I want to push it as far as I can and I believe she can take it all.
It makes no sense buying a Cayenne or a range rover when we have this and the GLE shouldn't even be in this conversation.
great video, as always. cheers
Range Rover is a different experience…it’s hard to compare. I agree with the Cayenne and GLE
@bradleyscarreviews yea, you're right on the range rover.
I completely resonate with the same. I have a September 2020 x40i and it has been great so far. In a 2000 mile road trip recently I got 26-28 mpg and it was so good to drive. No fatigue. I just had a steering column problem which was replaced under warranty
@@chrisnwanzejust remember I live in napa bougie land and 2023 rang rovers and land rovers are REGULARLY on the side of the rode lookin pretty with some older person sitting in there waiting for a tow truck. Like ughhhh I want one so bad but omg I’d like to arrive somewhere with out it breaking. Have a neighbor with a defender and omg this fool constantly has loaner vehicles… plot twist the discovery they gave him as a loaner broke too smh 🤦🏾♀️
No way it makes it to 150k
Let’s be honest here. The ACTUAL only reason why you buy the Cayenne is because your Porsche dealer “needs” you to buy 3-5 cars from them before they allocate you a GT3 you’ll spend 5 years waiting for.
Exactly
The MSRP+ premium you have to pay in the "second hand" market for a car with
I don't think that's true. Mat Watson bought a new GT3 RS and he hasn't bought many new porsches
@@royshavrickHe is also a famous car journalist and owns a UA-cam channel with over 1M subscribers
@@royshavrickHe himself admitted that the only reason he got one is because of his online/social media presence in the car community. Average Joe coming in off the street won't get a GT3RS even if he walked in with 400 grand in cash and a willingness to take all the most expensive options.
Sweet spot trim is 50e, best of both worlds, Car & Driver achieved 3.9 0-60 test(exact same time they got fromM60), get 100+ MPGe as commuter if you charge at home, for $80K US w/ M Sport package (not including rebate if eligible)
I agree.
If I want to upgrade from 40i the 50e is a better option than the m60. 50e is one of the best plugs in on the market
50e gets air suspension too -- much more compliant than the M60i and adds some character when hooning.
Very hard to find them though. Gotta order them, and you can get a better deal on an iX with all the incentives.
As much as I love the 50e we’re seeing tons of charging unit issues and gearbox issues. To drive though it’s still the most compelling to me.
The Easter Egg of what song you guys have on the screen will never get old for me. Love it.
Mark's smile while Jack talked about the B58 was hilarious. Lol.
Don't get the V8. The I6 has plenty of power and the V8 engine compartment is so cramped that repairs are more expensive if you plan to own long term.
Nah, get the V8:) it’s fun
Get the M50i not the M60i. M60i has been having a lot of issues due to the mild hybrid system.
@@Stakan79buying a BMW without it’s available 🅱️58 is silly.
Everything is already unnecessarily difficult as it is regardless
The new v8 is seriously fast
It is iDrive 8.5 just a more stripped down version. 2023 built BMW i4 also has this. Which means it still has the faster processor of 8.5 and new better layout compared to 8.0, but less gimmicks.
Isn’t it just 8.5? The android based cars with the new hardware format are iDrive 9 (incl the new Mini and so on). 7, 8, 8.5 all use variations of the MGU centered architecture.
8:50 On the road
11:00 vs Cayenne
13:00 *Best all around SUV*
14:00 B58 >> V8
15:55 vs commodity SUVs
16:45 Gold standard X5 40i
Just bought the 4.0 Xdrive. Gave our 08 X5 to our son with 80,000 mile. New one drives great and love it. Hope to keep it 15 years.
I drove the I6 and the V8 versions of this car back-to-back, and I really really noticed the extra weight up-front in the V8. It felt significantly more ponderous through the corners, and by contrast the B58 variant felt downright light on its feet. This + the B58's reliability would lead me to pick that option every day of the week. It's also still quick and is significantly cheaper.
Agree. Or the 50e. The 50e comes with the air suspension which is really nice -- and zero trubo lag thanks to the battery. It's a real hoot to drive.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow agreed with you there, the 50e is unironically awesome
Yeah, but people pick v8s for the sound and feeling, not because they’re the best option.
@@raneer_6567 honestly in this case I just don’t get it. It felt like driving a school bus to me.
I think the concept of sporty SUVs/CUVs is silly anyway.
I appreciate the effort going into sfx for jack's forearm
The dissonance of talking up the infotainment system while it ignores repeated touch inputs @2:00 is immaculate. These systems should be outlawed for how dangerous the distraction is 😮💨
😂
give me knobs with tactile feedback all day everyday.
See, I used to think the same, then I observed myself and realized: Who gives a shit? When I drive all I do is, well driving. I do not fiddle about with the climate control, it is set to 21C and stays there, I do not fiddle about with the radio, because I have it off and I do not fiddle about with any settings, since I set them once when I get the car and then leave it.
I really wanna know what ya'll are doing, when you should keep your eyes on the road?
@@leviathan5207 I'm fiddling
tbf they have retained the scroll wheel. I would be using that 99% of the time. It's one of the things that I like about BMW over Audi at the moment.
Rented a 2024 X5 xDrive40i last week for my family vacation. We were impressed, it did a lot of things really well.
A beast of an SUV regardless of engine. I own one and it gives me a smile daily after a few years. I have to say I’m shocked the passenger doesn’t get car sick. I forget his name…. You guys are great!
9/10 mechanics recommend
really, maybe ask the car wizard what he thinks.
@@wally6193💨
The 1 in 10 is your friend looking out for you.
The 9 are about that repeat-customer business.
@@wally6193 The wizard makes money off of negativity. He will claim any car is bad.
@japanwatchconnection he is isn't he, lol
The Wizard is the farthest thing from a Hack, if he did crap work he wouldn't survive especially working on high end cars.@japanwatchconnection
Lmao just casually throws it around corner mid convo
They do that all the time lol
The X5 M60i is top tier. People who buy them are far superior to most other human beings. Okay, I'm being slightly silly, but I seriously love mine.
I don’t have one. Can I be your friend?
@@kwilliams1958If you want BMW experience, find an E34 or E39 M5.
@@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl With your username, you can most certainly be my friend! 😆
@@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl I also have an e46 M3.
@@777triathlete Worst M3 ever. Engine and rear differential are crap! Transmission not much better.
Why doesn't BMW offer the Bowers and Wilkins on the X5 40i? Seems like they're leaving money on the table. I mean, there has to be decent margins on that $3,400 option, but I don't see people willing to step up to the M60i in order to buy it.
Chip shortage. They took it off everything but the top models it seems. I wanted a 550i and they removed it as an option but it was still available on the 850i.
I don't think you need the B&W with the latest HK system, and in at least two tests, the HK sounded _better_ IMO. See my comments in this BMW X5 audio review: ua-cam.com/video/Zv2wRWnGkPI/v-deo.html&lc=Ugz1djPnBYZe8JTIvKx4AaABAg
You guys are so right, I debated a Porsche Cayenne vs BMW X5 in 2015. I went with the X5 50 and loved it, owned it for 8 years before trading it in for a Porsche Macan. The main issue I saw was a similar Cayenne was 22k more than an X5 and was smaller. We have a truck now we use for truck stuff, F150 and the Macan for a drivers car. The X5 was the best all around 2 row suv, miss that V8 of that car. Could not recommend the X5 more.
Best car ever in term of usability and performance with the B58 engine, I still enjoy driving my X5 40i every time I get into it, thanks for your review it's always informative and enjoyable. I like your smiles when you rev the M60i
Agree 100% with all your comments on the cayenne vs X5 comparison. I had a 17 X5, now drive a 22 cayenne, and recently rented a 23 x5 for a week. Based on my experience, one of the important things you did not mention is, cayenne PCM sucks, Bluetooth connectivity is awful, it does not even come close the any version of iDrive. To me the argument is simple, if you want just the driving experience, go for a cayenne, if you want a vehicle you need to use everyday for life, its x5. I am going back to x5 next year. Thanks for the great video guys.
After owning numerous Porsches over the year I went back to BMW as well. The price delta for the difference in performance is so small, that it`s just now worth it to me any longer.
Agreed fully, my dad cross-shopped both along with some other vehicles and is buying the X5
According to the statistics gathered from my own shop, the latest iterations of BMW engines (especially the B58) are built substantially well. As long as you do your maintenance, these engines should reach 100K miles.
But regardless, German engines run hotter. Their regulating coolant temps are 220-230F. And when running in extreme heat like Texas summers, plastic hoses will crack, gaskets will harden, etc.
Should reach 100k..?
You mean 200-300k there’s tons over 100k already, 100k is not high miles
I’ve seen BMWs run until 110-120K miles when their valve covers start leaking, or perhaps the lower oil pan.
100k miles is not a lot. It never has been.
I had an x5 back wanna say late 90s. Loved the car except I’m convinced when you hit 70+k miles on it, someone in Germany presses a button and car starts bleeding oil and then all other sorts of expensive problems. My x5 actually shut down middle of night while driving w friends on a ski trip Cause was the software needed to be updated. My question, has the reliability, bug issues gotten better with this car? I still miss it a lot and 2024 looks nice but I can do without the maintenance headaches that I had. Good video. 👍🏻
More systems and software = more bugs or what the developers would call “features “
For 2023 BMW is rated #1 by Consumer Reports in safety, reliability, performance beating out Subaru, Lexus, Porsche, Honda, Toyota, etc
@@carloslopez9486 Big asterisks on that. First, it's for the COMBINATION of those three traits and others; it doesn't mean they're the best at each one. Second, it's an averaged rating across all their models, which is pretty meaningless when you're buying only one.
Does consumer reports still have credibility? I seriously question this….
@@carloslopez9486
Have a 2021 M50i. Bought a CPO last summer with mileage in the low 20s for a $30k discount with a massive extended warranty. Eats miles in silence and it’s quick. I think of it as the replacement for the 2001 740i just quieter and way quicker. Handles ok, but shines on long road trips.
My takeaway is....I should get a 2019 or 2020 X5 40i with the M Sport package for 35k to 40k.
Exactly. Way better value.
Yip, that’s where the clever money would go (or the 30/40/50 diesel, depending on your market)
Curious how the mdx-s stacks up against the base model, you guys seemed to love that in your review.
I've got 10k on my 24 type s and it has been exactly like their review. It isn't type s special like you'd want, fuel economy is so so, but it is so well put together and makes you smile when you want to push it some. I didn't look at a base X5 because I want to own for a long time and reliability and repair costs become a bigger issue
I owned a 22 MDX Type S w/ Advanced Package, optioned out, upgraded to the PHEV X5 50e for more hp believe it or not. Type S was great, 3rd Acura, great value proposition compared to base X5 40i for same $, HUD, cooled seats, adaptive air suspension, solid motor, had everything, also more rare than base X5, sweet rims, walk away closing rear tailgate, etc…. If I was going to have a car for 5 yrs, would pick Acura for reliability over base X5. For a Type “S” though, performance at 10/10 was slightly weak, + MPG wasn’t great. 50e is well over second faster to 60, faster 1/4 mile, plus way better MPG, but paid about $8K more than MDX. MDX S to base X5, MDX is more reliable, much lower maintenance. Need more performance, go 50e. Downside 50e, more complicated, need to charge, more things to fail
That’s the vehicle I’ve ordered. The Type S in Majestic Black.
Morning geese, thanks for the drop and enjoy your week 🙌
The "lease this car" because of how much it depreciates argument rarely makes any sense. Lease payments are primarily determined by depreciation. And, unless the manufacturer is subsiding the lease program more than the buy/rebate program or you can take advantage of specific tax laws (which are generally not applicable to the typical W2 employee), the lease payments will usually cost you more than the depreciation, otherwise the captive or other finance co. that is leasing you the vehicle would lose money.
@@japanwatchconnection But the average person, who wants nothing to do with reselling a vehicle, or even servicing it over the long term, gets what they perceive as a lower monthly payment that doesn't really change after the 36/48/50 month lease period. All they know is they trade keys for a brand new vehicle, which is all that matters to them.
The main advantage of the lease is that the lease company takes the risk that they can sell the car for the residual value. Financing now also favors new cars versus used due to lower financing rates. I do agree that CPO makes a lot of sense with most BMWs.
@@42dunbar correct regarding the lease company taking the risk on what the car will be worth at the end of the lease, but they charge for that. It’s another reason why the lease payments usually end up being more than the depreciation.
Depreciation is usually the 1/3 of the cost of the vehicle - and the lease payments covers that first 1/3.
@japanwatchconnectionSo much that isn’t accurate here. If you care about money as you wrote, you don’t pay cash for cars that depreciate with each passing year. Invest that cash in real estate. Also, the dealer sells the cars 2 time after the lease return comes back, they don’t sell a car over and over. You are describing what happens at “Buy Here, Pay Here, lots that repossess cars every few months. Those are profit centers. Dealers make their profit in the maintenance department and parts department.
Those static shots under the car are incredible. So satisfying
I got 24mpg on a roadtrip in the LCI X6M competition last year going about 85mph on average. I agree with Jack, having some half decent fuel economy so you can get some driving range on your roadtrips is nice to have. Oh and it’s still fast af. Great SUV. Great review.
24mpg in a v8tt x6m going 85mph? Did I read that right lol that’s impressive
Would get this X5 or the Cayenne S?
@@Chazlovesburnoutsfor all shit bmw gets and deserves
they do have a good hand at making powerplants with good grunt, great economy considering the their output and still a touch of top-of-the-rev-range pizazz
If yours is anything like my X3M Comp, fuel economy is a jeckyl and hyde thing. It's either awesome or terrible... no in between.
I took a 400 mile road trip and it made it all the way there (just barely) on 1 tank of fuel averaging 25.5 mpg and 25.1 mpg the trip back avg around 75 mph both trips.
Around town driving though, it's avg about 15~17mpg and burns through a tank every 250~270 miles.
No regrets though. It's an absolutely hilarious vehicle but still hella practical for my working dad life.
These are very, very good. I rented a pre-facelift one in Germany last summer and although it was a base 30d I found it to be absolutely fantastic over 1,000 KM of mixed city / autobahn driving. We're on our second Cayenne and my wife asked for another because we loved the first one so much but after driving the X5....I'm wondering a bit where my extra money went. That last 5% of an improvement costs you a lot. I'm glad I got the pre-facelift Cayenne as I believe the price jumped even more and the quality is lower.
Edit: it's funny Jack said that last 5-10%. because I said that before even watching the video. LOL. He completely made my same point. I ordered the pre-facelift Cayenne as a hybrid, because it was better than the X5 45e. But the new 50e is comparable to the Cayenne. If I had to do it again...I'd probably get the BMW. Net net, it is $85k vs. $115k.
I own the 45 e and I wonder what you mean by better? Cus the price and the low ev range meant the cayenne was out. Curious about your experience 😊
@@LafemmebearMusicCayenne had more range and more power than 45e in EV mode. find the 45e to be underpowered compared to the Cayenne hybrid (2023, the battery was upgraded in 2021). Now the 50e and the refreshed Cayenne are the same for each, range and power.
Manufactured right here in Greenville, South Carolina.
Up to 107K for an X5 which was the 'midrange' BMW SUV...insane
I felt like the X5 was always a bit more up there in the range since day one. I don't see mnay of em and they have always been crazy expensive. But 100k is definitely bizarre
At that price point, it’s only with the V8s, the i6 are around $70k.
You’re reaching there bud, they start at 65k great job picking out the fully loaded version and acting like they all cost that much.
My dad bought a brand new X5 back in 06’ for $70K, which considering inflation would be $100K in todays money. Nothing has changed, except now we get a better car for our money.
Definitely better than the Cayenne and GLE. It’s cheaper than both, while being quicker, more fuel efficient, and coming with 3 year complementary maintenance. Doesn’t make sense why anybody would pay SO much more for a Cayenne when the styling is worse and drives marginally better.. but let’s be honest, the people (mostly soccer moms) buying this aren’t going to be going up canyon roads every day, making the Cayenne pretty much obsolete. My dream garage is a X5 M or Audi RS6 Avant, with a Porsche 911 Turbo S cabriolet. For now, I’ll stick to my 11’ BMW 328i xDrive Sport Wagon haha
I bought the sedan version of this car (M550i) because of exactly what you said, I wanted a V8 and nothing else! It is an amazing car and I get near M5 performance for a lot less money and a way better everyday driving experience than the true M car. Oh and as you also said, if you can get these cars a couple of years old, they are an incredible value! I got my 2021 M550i that had an MSRP of $90k for $58k with a BMW certified warranty!
This car kind of achieves the same thing in the SUV category. I agree that the Cayenne is better but not so much better that it justifies the significant premium. If money was no issue, then I'd get a Cayenne Turbo GT. My wife has the B58 version of this car and it is such a great vehicle! The engine is awesome, the transmission is near perfect and the car is super comfortable with a very capable adaptive suspension to match. No one does luxury SUV's better than BMW at a price that is still somewhat affordable!
the quality of the video and how it's shot always hits me when I watch a savagegeese video 👏👏 love your work
Great review! My lease on a 2021 BMW X5M Comp ended last week and I picked up my new 2024 X5 M60i instead. My new M60i is practically loaded with every option you can get and order, including but not limited to exterior carbon fiber mirror caps and side breathers. The power is more than what I need, it rides much better than my old X5MC, and it was much cheaper. I couldn't get the M seat belts, or cooled and heated cup holders, but instead, the M60i has the Integral Active Steering and the 4-wheel steering, which I love very much. I added the anti-roll stabilizer and overall the car handles really well.
I love the depreciation of these things. I can pick these up around 5 years old for about half the price and as a DIYer, handle all maintenance tasks on the cheap.
Yep don’t we all know that. It’s always been this way.
The depreciation is a killer. And the reliability would concern me too for the coin they ask for these.
If you care about reliability then don’t buy a luxury car LOL
The i6 engine variant is far more reliable than the v8. My mom’s 2019 x5 with the i6 has had no major issues and she’s put over 60k miles on it
@@tehnoobfaceWow over 60k miles. Amazing longevity.
@@tehnoobface just out for the oil pump, big coin when it goes south(not if but when apparently)
Depreciation, on average, costs more than a lease.
It is surprising to see how far BMW seems to be ahead of Audi or MB in most vehicle classes.
I’m picking mine up on Monday. Upgrading from the X3 M40. So pumped! This was extremely helpful to pull the trigger and the comment about the B&W sound system was the validation I needed.
B58 all the way has so much potential easy to work on!!
Lol, tell me about replacing a heater core. Easy? 😂😂😂😂
@@bassandtrebleclefTo be fair he was taking about the B58 engine…not the heater core.
@@bassandtrebleclef The heater core on any car is a pain in the ass to change.
I bought my X5 because of its efficiency. No, fuel cost doesn't matter to me. But I enjoy the BMW tech that gives me more power with less fuel than competitors. I hit 30mpg between la and sf on freeway.
I'm on Jack's side on that statement. It is very nice to be stopping by gas station once or twice a month is very convenient.
I drove the 8, bought the 2024 40i. No, fuel costs don’t matter that much to me either, but the six is also quick, more reliable than the 8, lighter, and I love the highway mileage.
@@DaveP-uv1ml what's interesting is BMW at some point in 2010s began recommending minimum 89 octane. My previous 2009 x5's minimum was 91.
I havent tested but since 89 is the minimum on 2019 and forward, it would still get the same efficiency, less some power loss i think
BEST SUV.
8:34 - Slav King...LOL! Thanks guys, made my day.!
I got the 2021 X5 40i and I'm still impressed how great it drives. I've always been a sedan guy but two kids and a wife effectively made it mandatory to get an suv.
I agree with you. I'm very anti-SUV but this is one of the few that I'd consider.
5 series wagon !!
@@redwhite_040 not sold in the USA. Also the new 5 series seems so crappy to me compared to the last gen
thank you for making the nividia screen black. great video as always, you guys are incredible!
I love to see a 2024 X5 40i review later because m60i is beyond my budget and I heard there is a noticeable upgrade of power in X5 40i this year
In my opinion, the upgrade in power IS NOT very noticeable. I mean it's slightly quicker, but nothing huge. The big difference is in the Hybrid model (50e). That one is is a beast! Source: I upgraded from a 2020 40i, to a 2024 40i.
I have a 2019 X5 4.0 with 40k miles. I leased it for 3 years and bought it off lease during covid because of unavailability of a replacement vehicle. I am now "stuck" with the vehicle because I haven't driven anything I like better. Drives and handles fantastically, Not a fan of IDrive 8.0.
Guess I'm stuck for a while.
You'll eventually be stuck.
Ha Ha. Maybe so !!!
Won't keep it past about 80 k miles for sure
@@danielmcneill13why not?
In car infotainment system really peaked at Idrive 7. All the buttons you need daily is easily accessable and you retain the all mightly 1 to 8 fav button and it also retain a sleek minial design. IMO best in car system ever.
Agree. I have iDrive 7 and I fear next year when I have to switch car. BMW basically had the most praised infotainment ever and throw it out of the window for some gimmicky crap.
iDrive 8 SUUUUUCCKS! The 8 shortcut buttons are gone. Climate control buttons are gone. Heated seats and ventilated seats are now have to be turned on / off in software. Manual turning on of low beam headlights and PARKING LIGHTS are in iDrive. Was the turn-style headlight switch too complicated, for BMW? Even the HEATED STEERING WHEEL BUTTON is gone. Won't buy another BMW until BMW undoes iDrive 8 buttonless stupidity.
My favorite car channel by far. You guys are North America's Top Gear Duo
Great review! Would be great to get x5 50e review
If you don’t need the extra room, the X3M is the better buy. $80k vs $120k (X5M) and with a good flash tune is ~800 (crank horsepower). What you miss out on is V8 rumble.
No point wasting money with M SUV if all you do is drive on street
X3M has crazy performance but comes with tradeoffs in ride quality. It's great but not for everyone. If you don't care about carving canyons or drag racing, X540i is just the best choice as a do-everything commuter.
Even the X3 M40i rides too firm. The X3M is supposed to be even worse. The base X5 rides very good and with the air suspension it’s sublime.
The X5 is the bread and butter SUV. You cannot go wrong getting one if you’re getting something in this segment.
I dont think you know what "bread and butter" means man. lol.
From MW online: "bread and butter" : a means of sustenance or livelihood
It means that it keeps the lights on at BMW. Same thing with Porsche. Many forget that Porsche would be gone (or a subsidiary) without the SUVs. @@AmoebaCulture
And you thought devn3813 was in a pickle. 🥒
Saw one the other day and had to make a comment how the lighting on the rear turn signals is attrocious. Never mind the fact they BMW refuses to have separate amber signals (Mercedes and Audi are starting to introduce them now), but on the X5, the LED's light up from a low output to high output instead of high to low. Not sure how best to describe it other than many Mazda's have their amber turn signals fade from bright to low but BMW is the opposite. Had someone on the highway trying to change lanes and you could barely see the lighting, espcially during the day time.
😂😂 "I'm tired of your big oil agenda Jack" 😂😂
I live for Jack's big oil agenda! And his EV bashing. All that good stuff.
Just wait for some other schmuck to drive a Cayenne off the lot and then buy it after depreciation. that 30k MSRP difference shrinks fast on the used market.
I love my X5 M50i. The whole G05 platform is amazing.
I have 3 BMWs and I like to do whatever maintenance I can but your review makes the 4RUNNER make alot of sense.
Got my X5 M60i literally a week ago. Loving it! My very first SUV, and it's so very practical as a daily driver. The rear wheel steering and the split tail gate are awesome, and the 530 HP costs much less than what you would need to shell out for a Cayenne.
Forget X5M. All you get for it is a louder engine, but you also have to forgo things like air suspension. M60i is the way to go.
I hate to tell you, but wait 2 years and see how happy you are. We traded ours in after 3 years and took a major loss. These vehicles are nice on paper, but ownership is another thing. Endless issues and endless dead batteries.
@@theaviator06 It's a lease under my company name and I will be trading it in after 40 months or so. As for depreciation, my previous lease was an M5 with even worse depreciation so I know what I am in for.
Nice. My wife's got an X3, and recently rented an X5 and, frankly, loved the X5. I'm trying to convince my wife to upgrade. 😂 She thinks the X5 would be too big. Idk if it's really worth it or not as she doesn't care about the performance.
This will be our next suv to replace our old Vw Touareg, we won't lease we buy in cash and keep for around 10 years since the mileage will be around 10k a year. The treg is still on the original battery and we just replace the $2200 brakes as it's barely at 75k miles and 2017. We aren't worried about depreciation on it, we just don't like having massive payments continuously considering I'm the commuter and own a 330i also that gets replace several years sooner due to the mileage and point of substantial repairs. We've found a nice blend of savings and enjoyment of our money and that's how we do it. Commuting cost are absolutely silly nowadays on everything.
Beware the x5 has terrible rear legroom
Yep I agree , best to buy cash if u're in position.I hate the monthly payments on my 4 series
Awesome. I replaced my beloved VW Touareg Hybrid with an M60i. I loved my Touareg, but this thing is a whole new level of awesomeness.
Fun fact: when BMW and Toyota decided to collaborate on the Z4 and the Supra, BMW wanted to design the engine. So they sent their proposed twin turbo 6 and the twin turbo 4 to Toyota in Japan for testing. They failed the tests. Toyota noted the failures, and sent them back. (Toyota had started from the get go that reliability would have to be to their standards, they didn’t want their dealerships flooded with repair issues). So BMW made some changes and sent them back for testing. They failed again. So Toyota sent their engineers to Germany. Together, they came to with a design and finally passed all the reliability tests. This came from a friend of mine who is a regional trainer for mechanics at Toyota. It explains so much about the improved reliability of BMW in general. I wouldn’t hesitate at all to buy any newer BMW. I’m sure they even applied what they designed with the final engines to the 8 cylinder.
Thanks for the great content. I always enjoy your takes on the different vehicles that you guys review.
Cheers!🍻
Im sorry but no. That is a fully made up American story.
They just get an engine.
If they would be even half seriously about quality they would have done something about the Stellantis Van they slap the name on where it actually is some money. Not a small production sportscar.
Try look up Toyota Proace, its crap btw with laughable quality and Peugeot engines.
so did the 2019 supra B58 engine have the plastic oil pump, how did Toyota miss that one for reliability?
@@wally6193 That I’m not sure about, but I will ask.
@@Iceeeen I get that over in Europe, but Toyota doesn’t do that here in the States. They are known for their reliability over here.
@@LetsGoSomewhereFun okay thanks
Drove them all the last 2 weeks. Hands down this is the best. And it isn't even close.
perfect car for your wife as she drives over the curb in the starbucks drive thru on her way to pick up her boyfriend from the gym.
Have owned (2) previous X5 generation vehicles. Loved both of them. Bought the 2022 X5 4.0 with M package since the base model was like a "living room couch on wheels". Stay away from the heated/cooled/massage seat variant. There is so much hardware in the seat, there was no room left for padding. Backaches after 1 hour on the road.
I’m glad BMW hasn’t screwed up the design on the X5… yet
Would anyone suggest a couple year old 40i CPO with 20k miles to OWN?
Yes, until the warranty ends. Then get rid of it.
The screen is a gimmick
This is probably BMWs best looking vehicle, especially considering what they've done recently.
Don't forget Jaguar F-Pace, which shares same I6 - I highly recommend it as much better value and performance. Have 2023 SVR, with the much better 550hp supercharged V8. Love it much more than 2021 X6 M40 i had prior to the F-Pace SVR.
F pace uses a different inline 6. But the newer Range Rover and Range Rover now use a bmw v8 (n63)
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I gotta say, getting rid of intuitive buttons for forced interactions with a silly touchscreen is by definition a gimmick.
Exactly! And the GLE 450e is better, not worse, than the X5 in terms of physical buttons/switches by a long shot … you can use the track pad on the GLE and almost never touch the infotainment screen … priceless …
Not a gimmick, cost savings for the manufacturers disguised as "high tech and modern".
Tesla, an industry leading pioneer once again. 😂@@user-qc7dr3cd3q
Another car I dont care about, but another SG video that I look forward to every week.
NGL I love everything about the X5 3.0. The looks, the engine, everything is amazing. And I don't think at $75k or whatever you're worried about depreciation in any real sense. If you're trying to fudge your car as an asset get a Honda CRV.
But for me the reality is... $75-80k for an SUV with a lot of maintenance costs is just way too much. I am 30, so maybe it's just a time in my life. I'm certainly worried when I'm at my "business executive phase" they wont make them like this anymore.
Oh well. c'est la vie
You had me until c'est la vie
Yeah, that French really threw me. Oh well, that's life @@jbraunger
$109k for the non M is wild.
As a current owner of an 23 M850i and a 24 X5 50 e (i have both engines, the hybrid B58 and the 4.4 V8) at my disposal I have to say the price delta of give or take $20k is not worth it. Yes, the V8 is 0.3 seconds faster but in real world driving the difference is hardly noticable. I drove both and decided on the hybird as a daily for economical reasons.
I can't imagine owning a BMW hybrid system out of warranty. A turboed BMW out of warranty will bankrupt an owner of average wage all in pursuit of the ultimate driving machine and outdoing the Jones in the neighborhood. But adding a second propulsion system? aka a motor hybrid drive system on top is the proverbial cherry. Pure gold.
On some level I can't wait to watch how far these depreciate as suckers try to keep these cars running out of warranty as they shed 50 IP warning lights and related codes as proud owners of vehicles voted mostly likely to become landfill the soonest scramble as their BMW goes into limp mode to find someone smart enough to fix one. Ten years from now, how about finding parts? These vehicles won't exist 10 years from now, all will be in the crusher, of course, careful about crushing that battery.
BMW's voted least reliable now? Hold my Bud Light. Owners won't be able to afford the replacement parts as tech's fake their computer diagnostic capability and throw parts at these monstrosities hoping the codes go away. It used to be, stopping at a BMW service center every time cost the customer $1K aka one BMW spending unit. In recent years that has risen to $2K. Multiply that by 3 with a hybrid system out of warranty.
BMW's business model of planned obsolescence, just got another steroid injection. Can't make up a more transparent profit motive, all on the backs of the dumb public. Let's call this the tech hustle.
What a bunch of nonsense. Please tell me how your opinion outweighs that of non-profit consumer reports who after extensive road testing and interviewing thousands of people suggests that BMW over the past few years in number one in overall ownership experience including reliability. You suggesting BMW is unreliable clearly points to the fact that you’re still living 10+ years ago. Wait, what’s that? Hold on… hey the 2010’s called, they want you back.
Spot on Lukey !! Imagine the codes these will throw - my god!
@@Bimmer_BillCR is invaluable in the landscape, but most of the owner reviews are for cars still under warranty, and their annual listings only go back 7 years …
@@cbatiau2528 correct. So, the answer is on current bmw vehicles under warranty over the next 5+ years “until further notice”, rather than “they will surely blow up and are junk”. Many other brands fail within warranty periods, Range Rover, Dodge, Mercedes have tons of complaints and let’s be honest if there is a design flaw issues will most likely occur sooner, rather than later.
Personally, I don’t keep vehicles past 5 years or so and that also applies to a lot of people who shop for luxury vehicles (who have some money). Riding a vehicle for decades well past 100k miles is of no value to me.
@@Bimmer_Bill I don't know what blend of crack you are smoking in that pipe but you need to pass it around. As an automotive engineer, I know how the sausage is made. I hope you buy one for yourself and each family member....lol. You are a deserving candidate.
Question for me is.... does this render the 5 series completely irrelevant? Better looking, more practical, cheaper with the B58. If dynamics matter you get the M340i/M3.
They said its driving dynamics don't match a comparable sedan, so I think they answered your question for you.
lease and dump
Do it so I can buy a CPO one in a couple years.
@savagegeese
I hope you guys will have the opportunity to review the F-Pace SVR. I'll be curious to know your thoughts aince it's a cheper alternative to the X5M. thx and great review video
This
When do I get MY midcycle refresh?
its crazy that you say that it is a cheaper alternative than a Cayenne S... Because in Germany the Cayenne S is 4,000 Euro cheaper in base price than the X5 M60i and has a better base option list. And in that case, I think the Cayenne definitely takes the lead when being same price or even slightly cheaper.
GLE 580 is 11,000 more than X5 M60 which I find insane, considering that it still needs AMG package etc. to be added as an extra
Have the 2020 M50i. Boy do I love it. Keeping it as long as I can.
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Mark: 😐
I buy these used as suggested. Currently have a 2021 Xdrive 40I and it great. What I like about BMW, is if you have the capability, you can still do a lot of the maintenance yourself. A lot of people will not do that so that costs needs to be factored in, but if you have the ability, OI change, transmission service (50k ignore that lifetime crap), brakes, diffs and transaxle none of them are that hard. You need a tool to do service modes, etc. but again can be done by a home mechanic. The vehicle drives great and the B58 is an amazing engine.
Bought the Mazda CX60 inline 6 with 5000 km and a Miata ;) saved some Money too
I have to agree with almost everything put out in this review. I bought a 21 X5 M50i with 13k on the clock for 64k as a daily driver. It has every option and except dynamic handling. With 315’s on the rear I have no complaints about the handling. Canyon roads out west are a blast for an SUV. The Bowers and Wilkins sound makes you feel like you’re at a concert. The power is so satisfying. I drive7 is very simple to learn and quick to access the main functions of the car. My only critique is the steering inputs are not quite as smooth as the Cayenne. The MB and Audi competition doesn’t come close to what you get with the M50 in my opinion. I did spend an extra 4k for a 24 month bumper to bumper warranty and maintenance package due to the potential very high service costs associated with owning a vehicle like this. My two cents.
I got a new x6 x40i msport recently, and I'm blown away by the solidity, refinement, and efficiency. Bmw says it has 375hp, but allegedly it has 400-440, and I'm averaging 24mpg in mixed driving with loads of stop and go. My focus st got an average of 21mpg, just lol at the 5k lb tank with 400hp beating it. Everything just works really, really well. Is it a sports car? Nope. Is it fast, frugal, and comfortable? Yes.
The Bowers & Wilkins audio system is phenomenal (and yes, very expensive).
I need help!
2021 X5 xDrive40i M Sport or 2021 Porsche Macan S?!
Both around 30-40k kms, both around the same price in Australia.
This is my fav SUV. I’d get the excellent straight 6 engine - no real need for a V8 when the 6 makes such good power w/good MPG In a heavy car. Has ample room - good cargo space and I don’t need a 3rd row. V8 power is addictive and this V8 is amazing without going to the top level V8. Btw, my daily driver is a 600hp pick up truck, so I’m spoiled by power. Love the X5.
PS I’d ditch the run flats and mount traditional sidewall tire.
I'll save up for Cayenne.
Good call
Eugene Belcher would approve.
You’re going to “save up” $90k?
@@wallbangerzsports I could buy it new right now, but I won't. None of current cars are worth buying new because of depreciation. Learned it the hard way with my g80.
You can find a good 2019+ Cayenne base/S CPO for $60k and less. I'm actually in a market for one.
@@rosgoncharuk2403after I got my 2016 328i for 25k with only 16,500 miles back in 2019 I’ll never buy a new car again. I’m looking at S4s right now and they basically depreciate 20-25k off the lot after 15k miles.
4:47 the black plastic piece beneath the rear bumper. Looks like it has some serious damage.
I had a 2023 x7 and LOVED it, except we couldn't keep it on the road. In the shop for 3 months out of the first 6 months of owning it (had to lemon law it) and they couldn't ever figure out why a check engine light kept coming on. so once BMW figures out their electronics, I'll come back.
Caranddriver tested a X7 M60 and got it to 60 in 3.8sec I think this X5 M60 is a mid 3sec to 60 SUV
why is the split tailgate considered a positive? Because you can sit on it?
It depends on where you live. In places with inclines, if you park the X5 on a hill, you don’t have to worry about things flying out the back with a spilt tailgate.
@@jr1885 that would be one hell of a incline.
Ask a soccer mom why a split tailgate is a huge benefit in a level parking lot.
@@wally6193 no. Just like someone mentioned, balls can easily roll out.
@@jr1885 I suppose, haha.