So 4K Gamer Pro just a bad upscaler with too much sharpening, it makes aliasing even more visible, mClassic is way better with its subtle anti-aliasing solution, even if it keeps the picture in 1080p.
The current boost level is high which is the maximum enhancement 4k Gamer Pro has in terms of sharpness, coloring, and depth of field. But that doesn't mean it'll have the best visual experience. That's why we have 3 different upscaling levels to fit different games or needs and you can control the look of your game with 3 upscaling levels of 4K. The gamers like Kirby we suggest using the low level to play and there is much fun to switch between 3 different boost levels :)
In general, mclassic was better, by striking a balance between sufficient sharpness and applying convincing antialiasing to the image. Or another just applies extreme and uncontrolled sharpness to the fact that it was already quite sawn and still worse, it would be very good if you would also apply a good filter to remove sawing.
It should also be noted that there are various levels of 'enhancement' for the 4K Gamer Pro... from low, mid, high settings... if it looks too sharpened here, that may be the max setting... try a lower one to get a better compromise
Mclassic does have better anti-aliasing, the 4K Gamer Pro doesn't seems to add any AA, though it's sharper than Mclassic (maybe too much). I think Mclassic looks better overall.
The current boost level is high which is the maximum enhancement 4k Gamer Pro has in terms of sharpness, coloring, and depth of field. But that doesn't mean it'll have the best visual experience. That's why we have 3 different upscaling levels to fit different games or needs and you can control the look of your game with 3 upscaling levels of 4K. The gamers like Kirby we suggest using the low level to play and there is much fun to switch between 3 different boost levels :)
Same here, it may be false advertising on the 4K part since it goes up to 1440p but it's good at upscaling and removing jaggies and making a sharper and cleaner image while still looking natural, especially on displays that are 1440p since all the upscaling would be just the Mclassic and nothing else, whereas on a 4K display you get either 1. 1080p output from the Mclassic that's upscaled a second time to 4K by the TV (if 1440p isn't supported by the TV) 2. 1440p output that's then upscaled a second time by the TV to 4K
mClassic is much better you don't need to modify between 3 different boost levels, you only connect to your TV and enjoy a good experience, in addition you can use mClassic with retro consoles, playing PS3, Xbox 360, N64, Gamecube, Wi, WiiU, is a wonderful experience on a 4K TV
@@jovannydiazabad6123 depending on how your TV upscales 1080p vs 1440p, having the mclassic's 1440p upscaled to 1080p might be an improvement to the image.
The 4K Gamer Pro looks like if you max out your TV's Sharpness setting. Wich looks absolutely horrible with extremely excessive aliasing. The M Classic does the best job here imo riding a fine line between Sharpness and a somewhat smooth looking image
Yup if you own an Mclassic might as well up the sharpness setting if you want more sharpness for some reason and get both the oversharpened look of the 4K pro while retaining the anti-aliasing of the Mclassic which is key for switch games like the new Kirby one since they're just running at raw pixel counts with no anti-aliasing whatsoever
You can combine them together and get 4k output for the Mclassic. You'll get all the Mclassics image enhancement features also. You will need to use a 4k Splitter to overcome HDCP to get them to work together.
Great comparison, and thanks for making these kind of videos. MClassic looks good in most cases, but 4k Gamer Pro just looks oversharpened. Overall, I don't think it's worth it (for Switch at least) and would rather stick to the original output.
Me gusta mas el Mclassic, añade mas calidad pero no llega a extremos, el 4kGamerPro resalta mucho el deliniado de los objetos y se ve horrible, es como usar la super resolución que viene en algunas pantallas modernas
Hola disculpa que te lo pregunte pero ya que hablas de ese tema me podrías ayudar? Tengo una TV 4k y una Xbox Series S y noto que se ven raros los juegos, por ejemplo las ramas de árboles y cosas finas se ven bastante mal, sabes si la TV tiene alguna opción de rebajar la resolución para estar acorde con la consola? Gracias🙌
Principalmente el m classic hace que se noten menos los dientes de sierra haciendo que en juegos como Metroid dread o links awakening donde la cámara está puesta a cierta distancia con los elementos no muy lejos y con buena resolución se vean muy bien
no creo sea eso, lo que sucede es que TODOS LOS JUEGOS DE SWITCH TIENEN DIENTES DE SIERRA, pero se disimulan por la falta de resolucion y nitidez, tonces cuando le aplicas el 4k pro ayuda tanto a la resolucion y nitidez que solo se hace evidente los dientes de sierra que siempre tuvo, a un asi tremendo cambio se ve espectacular.
@@alvarobaltazar831 a lo que yo me refería era a que esos juegos se ven mejor al bajar un poco la nitidez, haciendo menos evidente los dientes de sierra, mira nada más a dragón ball xenoverse 2, por más que hayan bajado la nitidez se notan mucho sus dientes de sierra, a diferencia de Metroid dread donde evidentemente los tiene pero no son tan evidentes, incluso jugando portátil tuve que acercar la imagen para notarlo
El antialiasing que aplica el mClassic funciona bien en los juegos 3D, pero en los 2D hace que la imagen no se véa con tanta nitidez. En mi opinión ambos productos deberían de tener un botón para activar o desactivar el antialiasing.
I think it's a hard choice, since there are games that look better with more anti-aliasing as provided by Mclassic, while others that already have a good anti-aliasing by default looks much cleaner with 4K Gamer Pro.
A mi parecer el mClassic es la mejor solución porque el 4k gamer aplica un filtro de sharpness muy agresivo, que a la larga termina resaltando más los pixeles y hace que se vean aún más los bordes de sierra.
This almost convinced me to buy the mClassic, but a lot of other videos are making it seem barely noticeable at all. I just want something to make the Switch more appealing on my 4k OLED, but I'm not spending a hundred dollars if its not actually improving the resolution.
I cant wait to get this thing its going to be great. I am going to experiment and try to see what picture looks like running it through both M cables then a m classic then this. will be interesting to see results
What’s not mentioned is that MClassic relies on a limited RGB signal which doesn’t show up in all instances, but when it does it makes everything look worse. That said, I’d venture most decent to good TVs these days do what this does for free. And it also allows for full RGB output.
Gracias por el video. A mi si me ha gustado el resultado que da el 4KGamerPro, de hecho me ha sorprendido incluso comparado con el mClassic. Me tienta adquirir uno, ya soy usuario de la línea mClassic. Por cierto me interesaría muchísimo ver este cacharro funcionando sobre juegos de PS3 así que solo dejo la idea alli planteada 👀
Realmente no hace mucho, sólo realza la nitidez y pues eso no es 4k. De hecho, el mClassic aplica un ligero antialeasing para los dientes de sierra y el otro los hace más visibles por el exceso de nitidez. Aunque, si eso te gusta, pues bien por ti.
What it actually does is screw with the edges of the image with an artificial sharpener. If your TV already does this, it’s just overkill. And I have a 1080p Vizio that does some processing of its own. Not to mention that being stuck to Limited RGB on some TVs is a HUGE NO. Especially the TCLs.
In short, the mClassic is better at anti-aliasing and upscaling while the 4k Gamer Pro is better at deblurring and contrast. 9 times out of 10, I choose the mClassic, however I did prefer the 4k Gamer Pro in Odyssey and Dread. The clearer image overshadowed the anti-aliasing. Like most things, it comes down to individual use cases and personal preferences
the 4k gamer pro effect can be acchieved in your tv by making the resolution toggle go up the way, sharpness, clarity or something like that. it jkust does a border diffuse/ enhancement on post processing.
I think the problem is neither of them do well outside of the games they are designed for. Depending on the game I like one or the other (meaning both but for different games). Not sure I'd spend my money on either as they can make it look worse depending on the game.
I had the mclassic. I wasn't thrilled with it. So i bit the bullet and bought the Retrotink 4k. Perfect for mini consoles (NES, SNES, Genesis) and Wii/GCN/aN64. Gonna try it with Switch soon.
I wonder if Marseille Co. will ever release an mClassic 4K adapter that outputs 4K in the future? It's pretty good! Especially when using it with an older console like PS2, GameCube, Xbox etc.
Muy bonito y todo pero 200 dolares por un escalador me parece mucho gasto, prefiero gastarlo en juegos, personalmente no es mi prioridad, a 1080p se ve bastante bien
@@crepet09 Lo se, pero los exclusivos si en su mayoría y los que mas juego para mi es suficiente (De hecho prácticamente juego puro smash y mario kart en switch), incluso 900p con un buen filtrado como en Zelda me parece bien, ni en One iban a 1080p en su mayoría, no me puedo quejar de una consola híbrida
Siento que el Mclassic seria la mejor opción, no me molesta para nada el como se ve la switch, pero si tuviera que elegir entre las 2 opciones pues seria el Mclassic, 4KGamerPro se ve mal, hace la imagen mas nítida pero los dientes de cierra se notan mas y llega a verse peor
Was gonna get for Botw 2 but after looking at it, it takes away too much detail. Yes its clearer in a way but its like losing grain when digitizing a film reel.
I have an mClassic and was looking for a good comparison vid after hearing about a new dongle with a similar purpose. Seems like most everyone in the comments has the same thoughts as I after viewing. Now my stupid brain is wondering if I could get the best of both worlds by combining them... If it even worked would there be, too noticable, further latency? Would the order they're plugged in alter the image?
That what i need it's a device to provide a serious 2x-4x or more MLAA FXAA or any other anti aliasing method and 1080p upscaling for my PS3 Xbox360 and Switch,and i don't understand why it's so difficult to make it. Mclassic and Mcable it's just ok but not enough and 4k Gamer Pro it's to much expensive and without AA,obviously! I wish for the future 🙏
I have a interesting idea for a video, but I don’t have the money to buy like four of those lol I was wondering if I connect two of them to the ps4 VR1 and two more for the input and output running them with the ps4 pro and ps5 would it make a difference
I've tried it on quite a few systems now. I'd say for PS3 its fantastic! And its worth owning for Switch games as there is still no Switch Pro. I tried it on 360 also and also there it adds another layer of AA on top of the MSAA 360 games use. So your pretty much polishing up the image even more there. It's worth getting as it's not locked to just one system like other upscalers. You can get it to work on pretty much everything.
@@djameldjamel8763 A lot of PS3 games had no AA at all also. Mostly Unreal Engine games. So the Mclassic can add some AA. I believe it applys 4xSMAA. Not sure though. It would make sense it is SMAA though as SMAA looks sharp when used. It's great to use it on the Ratchet and Clank games especially Crack in Time and especially on MGS4. Also early games that used Quincunx AA it will overcome how blurry the image looked in games that used that. GTA4 for example.
Is it possible to combine them? Put mclassic for the benefits of anti aliasing and then put the 4k ganer pro into the nclassic to upscale the the picture to 4k?
AMIGOS lo que sucede es que TODOS LOS JUEGOS DE SWITCH TIENEN DIENTES DE SIERRA, pero se disimulan por la falta de resolucion y nitidez, tonces cuando le aplicas el 4k gamer pro ayuda tanto a la resolucion y nitidez que solo se hace evidente los dientes de sierra que siempre tuvo, a un asi tremendo cambio se ve espectacular, el cambio es brutal incluso pareciera que tuviera HDR QUE AUN NO ENTIENDO PORQUE SWITCH NO TIENE. SALUDOS. pd: el mclasic disimula los dientes de sierra simplemente porque su resultado no estan bueno como el del 4k gamer pro
In my opinion the difference is not enough to justify the investment. In the pictures you can see some differences, probably not noticeable when everything is moving on the screen.
Do you confirm that mClassic "only" upscale to 1440p (Switch, PS3, Wii U) and not to 4K? If i use a 4K Sony tv (like the new A95K), is it better to use 4K Gamer Pro in order to upscale to 4K resolution? thanks
Yes the 4K gamer pro i just bought it played for long and then turn it off and it really makes the image look better and you can readjust your tv settings to make it look perfect but it will definitely give you legit 4k readings even on your tv wich the mclassic doesn’t do since is just giving you what a moder tv Can already do good luck with your pick my friend
Yo compré el Mclassic en Amazon, asumo que puedes comprarlo también en la pagina de Marseille. Recomiendo basado en el video el Mclassic porque aunque llega solo hasta 1440p y no 4k tiene mejor "anti-aliasing " que el 4K gamer pro que parace aplicar demasiado "sharpening" haciendo la imagen visualmente artificial y de menor fidelidad comparado con el balance entre claridad y naturaleza en visuales de Mclassic
definitely too much sharpening on the 4k Gamer Pro, looks like a cheap TV upscaling. the Mclassic is a nice blend of increasing sharpness and overall pop, but for $100 it seems a bit too expensive
These devices are far too expensive for the minimal upgrade. The mclassic is over $100. For that price it needs to be a much better. I'd value the upgrade in the $10-$20 range. It's just too small of an upgrade to justify that price point. For the Switch. Might work wonders for the PS3.
Tbh, even though the mClassic shows better AA, I think many might actually prefer the sharper image of the 4K Gamer Pro from living room distances, though thats just my speculation. mClassic is doing a great job, but feels like its maintaining too much of the smudged TAA look that overwhelms most games now.
No it is not, if anything all you’re doing is getting in the way of its processing and making the image look worse by the time it’s all said and done. Especially if your image was already full RGB and you’re now having to operate on limited because you chose to connect a m-Classic to it.
@@WllKiedSnake Yeah. Oh also it doesn't add to much input lag on auto which upscales and adjusts sharpness on the fly. But if you want the best upscale on Sony get one of there tvs with the XR chip it's much sharper than the X1 which is already good.
@@Niothe0 The good thing about a Mclassic though is that it cost like 80 to 90 dollars or pounds vs a few grand for a Sony TV. So it's good for those people who don't have those sorta funds. I'm tempted to get a LG CX or C1 TV. But I'm may get one of Sonys new TV's just gotta evaluate which one is future proofed when it's comes to new features coming to gaming systems.
Any TV with solid processing will smoke the both of them. I had an m-classic for a previous TV but when I got my newer OLED it lost all its point. Not to mention being limited RGB on a TV that can do full sucks. There tends to be additional color banding, especially on something like a TCL, when you’re forced to limited that goes away when you put it on full.
Mclassic is great but the 4k prod version causes too much distracting noise in the backgrounds and the over sharpened aliased look. I can use an Mclassic and change the sharpness on my tv if I really want more defined edges.
has anyone tried the 4k gamer pro with a cable box? I'm hoping to find something to upscale an 1080i resolution to 4k or at least something like that. thank you.
De hecho, combinar ambos MClassic y 4k Gamer Pro es la experiencia definitiva. Definición y antialiasing da un resultado espectacular, deberías hacer un video probandolo.
mClassic for 1440p IPS gaming monitors, mClassic+EDID 1080p emulator+4k Gamer Pro for 4k TVs and OLEDs. Contrary to what people are saying, the smart TV options will never do as good of a job as both of these combined.
I definitely prefer the 4k Gamer over the mclassic considering it upscales far better and has punchy coloring but Mclassic is probably better for most people because it doesn't have jagged edges. Think the 4k gamer pro is just a better bang for your buck. Mclassic is far too subtle in my opinion, it's soft buttery visuals are nice but often times it barely upscales and doesn't up the coloring. Not to mention the 4k gamer does wonders for lighting and shadows. But you can always daisy chain them to get best of both worlds
I feel like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are not meant to be upscaled so much. With such incredibly high detail it just highlights the faults and low ends of the Switch's capabilities and puts them under a spotlight. The mClassic upscales it enough to where it does look better but still has that artistic feel of what BoTW has. It feels like seeing art come to life like if its a painting or something. Too much high definition takes it away and kills the immersion.
Hay una combinación para Nintendo switch que ví en un vídeo y era poner el mClassic para subir a 1440p (2K) y luego el cinema cable de ellos mismos que sube a 2160p (4K) obviamente es más costoso pero se llega al 4K con marseille
Don't know beside contrast change (especial with mclassic) in some frames the Upscalers look worse than original. Still best method of upscaling old/Nintendo games are the emulators.
The mclassic has smoother visuals and great anti aliasing. The 4k gamer pro is sharper, keeps more details but also has more ridges and destroys anti aliasing.
So 4K Gamer Pro just a bad upscaler with too much sharpening, it makes aliasing even more visible, mClassic is way better with its subtle anti-aliasing solution, even if it keeps the picture in 1080p.
That upscaler will be good with Anti Aliasing
The current boost level is high which is the maximum enhancement 4k Gamer Pro has in terms of sharpness, coloring, and depth of field. But that doesn't mean it'll have the best visual experience. That's why we have 3 different upscaling levels to fit different games or needs and you can control the look of your game with 3 upscaling levels of 4K. The gamers like Kirby we suggest using the low level to play and there is much fun to switch between 3 different boost levels :)
@@Kiporino combine the two
1440p
So the obvious solution is to chain them together if 4k Gamer Pro can accept mClassic's 2k output mode as base
In general, mclassic was better, by striking a balance between sufficient sharpness and applying convincing antialiasing to the image.
Or another just applies extreme and uncontrolled sharpness to the fact that it was already quite sawn and still worse, it would be very good if you would also apply a good filter to remove sawing.
For the best results you can actually turn on your TV's sharpness and with the mClassic it's the best combo imho.
It should also be noted that there are various levels of 'enhancement' for the 4K Gamer Pro... from low, mid, high settings... if it looks too sharpened here, that may be the max setting... try a lower one to get a better compromise
I also believe he used a lower setting on the mclassic
@@gm08351 to what? Off or 4/3?
Nah, mClassic still looks better.
Mclassic does have better anti-aliasing, the 4K Gamer Pro doesn't seems to add any AA, though it's sharper than Mclassic (maybe too much).
I think Mclassic looks better overall.
The current boost level is high which is the maximum enhancement 4k Gamer Pro has in terms of sharpness, coloring, and depth of field. But that doesn't mean it'll have the best visual experience. That's why we have 3 different upscaling levels to fit different games or needs and you can control the look of your game with 3 upscaling levels of 4K. The gamers like Kirby we suggest using the low level to play and there is much fun to switch between 3 different boost levels :)
you can get a mix of both with upping the sharpness of your TV or monitor with mClassic.
Same here, it may be false advertising on the 4K part since it goes up to 1440p but it's good at upscaling and removing jaggies and making a sharper and cleaner image while still looking natural, especially on displays that are 1440p since all the upscaling would be just the Mclassic and nothing else, whereas on a 4K display you get either
1. 1080p output from the Mclassic that's upscaled a second time to 4K by the TV (if 1440p isn't supported by the TV)
2. 1440p output that's then upscaled a second time by the TV to 4K
mClassic is much better you don't need to modify between 3 different boost levels, you only connect to your TV and enjoy a good experience, in addition you can use mClassic with retro consoles, playing PS3, Xbox 360, N64, Gamecube, Wi, WiiU, is a wonderful experience on a 4K TV
@@jovannydiazabad6123 depending on how your TV upscales 1080p vs 1440p, having the mclassic's 1440p upscaled to 1080p might be an improvement to the image.
It’s nice to see how marseille is progressing with this tech first the mcable now a dongle now just refinement and it should be solid
The 4K Gamer Pro looks like if you max out your TV's Sharpness setting.
Wich looks absolutely horrible with extremely excessive aliasing.
The M Classic does the best job here imo riding a fine line between Sharpness and a somewhat smooth looking image
Yup if you own an Mclassic might as well up the sharpness setting if you want more sharpness for some reason and get both the oversharpened look of the 4K pro while retaining the anti-aliasing of the Mclassic which is key for switch games like the new Kirby one since they're just running at raw pixel counts with no anti-aliasing whatsoever
Ok but if I want 4K resolution I need to buy the 4K gamer pro
You can combine them together and get 4k output for the Mclassic. You'll get all the Mclassics image enhancement features also. You will need to use a 4k Splitter to overcome HDCP to get them to work together.
have anyone tried this?
Would love to see that
Huge waste of money
@@tonyhuwa641 I would if they sent me a copy of one
@@Jpro88 There are foreign channels on YT who have tried it. Makes PS3 games look quite good.
Great comparison, and thanks for making these kind of videos.
MClassic looks good in most cases, but 4k Gamer Pro just looks oversharpened. Overall, I don't think it's worth it (for Switch at least) and would rather stick to the original output.
Me gusta mas el Mclassic, añade mas calidad pero no llega a extremos, el 4kGamerPro resalta mucho el deliniado de los objetos y se ve horrible, es como usar la super resolución que viene en algunas pantallas modernas
Hola disculpa que te lo pregunte pero ya que hablas de ese tema me podrías ayudar? Tengo una TV 4k y una Xbox Series S y noto que se ven raros los juegos, por ejemplo las ramas de árboles y cosas finas se ven bastante mal, sabes si la TV tiene alguna opción de rebajar la resolución para estar acorde con la consola? Gracias🙌
@@elacejota641 en las configuraciones de tu TV es posible que esté una opción que diga afilado, puedes reducirla un poco y vas probando.
@@NDroidgamer muchas gracias 😊
@@elacejota641 también puede ser la nitidez, si esa opción está muy alta las cosas se ven extrañas.
Principalmente el m classic hace que se noten menos los dientes de sierra haciendo que en juegos como Metroid dread o links awakening donde la cámara está puesta a cierta distancia con los elementos no muy lejos y con buena resolución se vean muy bien
no creo sea eso, lo que sucede es que TODOS LOS JUEGOS DE SWITCH TIENEN DIENTES DE SIERRA, pero se disimulan por la falta de resolucion y nitidez, tonces cuando le aplicas el 4k pro ayuda tanto a la resolucion y nitidez que solo se hace evidente los dientes de sierra que siempre tuvo, a un asi tremendo cambio se ve espectacular.
@@alvarobaltazar831 a lo que yo me refería era a que esos juegos se ven mejor al bajar un poco la nitidez, haciendo menos evidente los dientes de sierra, mira nada más a dragón ball xenoverse 2, por más que hayan bajado la nitidez se notan mucho sus dientes de sierra, a diferencia de Metroid dread donde evidentemente los tiene pero no son tan evidentes, incluso jugando portátil tuve que acercar la imagen para notarlo
El antialiasing que aplica el mClassic funciona bien en los juegos 3D, pero en los 2D hace que la imagen no se véa con tanta nitidez. En mi opinión ambos productos deberían de tener un botón para activar o desactivar el antialiasing.
I think it's a hard choice, since there are games that look better with more anti-aliasing as provided by Mclassic, while others that already have a good anti-aliasing by default looks much cleaner with 4K Gamer Pro.
A mi parecer el mClassic es la mejor solución porque el 4k gamer aplica un filtro de sharpness muy agresivo, que a la larga termina resaltando más los pixeles y hace que se vean aún más los bordes de sierra.
This almost convinced me to buy the mClassic, but a lot of other videos are making it seem barely noticeable at all. I just want something to make the Switch more appealing on my 4k OLED, but I'm not spending a hundred dollars if its not actually improving the resolution.
I have a same tv....did u buy the mClassic?
Hey I know I’m late but UA-cam renders and compresses videos bad it won’t do it justice in real life the Mclassic is a game changer
@@HDDoggyStyle thanks 7u7
You realize most TV upscalers worth a damn do this and then some while keeping color fidelity in check.
I cant wait to get this thing its going to be great. I am going to experiment and try to see what picture looks like running it through both M cables then a m classic then this. will be interesting to see results
Did you try it yet ?
What’s not mentioned is that MClassic relies on a limited RGB signal which doesn’t show up in all instances, but when it does it makes everything look worse. That said, I’d venture most decent to good TVs these days do what this does for free. And it also allows for full RGB output.
Gracias por el video. A mi si me ha gustado el resultado que da el 4KGamerPro, de hecho me ha sorprendido incluso comparado con el mClassic. Me tienta adquirir uno, ya soy usuario de la línea mClassic.
Por cierto me interesaría muchísimo ver este cacharro funcionando sobre juegos de PS3 así que solo dejo la idea alli planteada 👀
Realmente no hace mucho, sólo realza la nitidez y pues eso no es 4k. De hecho, el mClassic aplica un ligero antialeasing para los dientes de sierra y el otro los hace más visibles por el exceso de nitidez.
Aunque, si eso te gusta, pues bien por ti.
Donde puedo comprar un mClassic???
@@monkeyddavid3947 Yo los he comprado por Amazon.
Tambien lo quiero ver en PS3
I don't have a 4k tv, and I really like the color enhancing and antialiasing of the mclassic. Looks good on my old 1080p Vizio 😆
What it actually does is screw with the edges of the image with an artificial sharpener. If your TV already does this, it’s just overkill. And I have a 1080p Vizio that does some processing of its own. Not to mention that being stuck to Limited RGB on some TVs is a HUGE NO. Especially the TCLs.
In short, the mClassic is better at anti-aliasing and upscaling while the 4k Gamer Pro is better at deblurring and contrast. 9 times out of 10, I choose the mClassic, however I did prefer the 4k Gamer Pro in Odyssey and Dread. The clearer image overshadowed the anti-aliasing. Like most things, it comes down to individual use cases and personal preferences
Watching the swipe over for Mario Kart at 1:08 really shows how the mClassic dominates -- I'm not sure it's really that close.
the mclassic works well for a 1440p monitor, I use it that way and it does look better if you circumvent the oversaturated colors and contrast a bit.
the 4k gamer pro effect can be acchieved in your tv by making the resolution toggle go up the way, sharpness, clarity or something like that.
it jkust does a border diffuse/ enhancement on post processing.
I think the problem is neither of them do well outside of the games they are designed for. Depending on the game I like one or the other (meaning both but for different games). Not sure I'd spend my money on either as they can make it look worse depending on the game.
0:36 Kirby is moving to the beat of the song 😂
I had the mclassic. I wasn't thrilled with it. So i bit the bullet and bought the Retrotink 4k. Perfect for mini consoles (NES, SNES, Genesis) and Wii/GCN/aN64. Gonna try it with Switch soon.
I wonder if Marseille Co. will ever release an mClassic 4K adapter that outputs 4K in the future? It's pretty good! Especially when using it with an older console like PS2, GameCube, Xbox etc.
I'm sure they are. With a few other features people have asked for included.
Love your videos bro.
Muy bonito y todo pero 200 dolares por un escalador me parece mucho gasto, prefiero gastarlo en juegos, personalmente no es mi prioridad, a 1080p se ve bastante bien
No todos los juegos en la switch corren a 1080p xd, de hecho casi ninguno de los juegos third party
@@crepet09 Lo se, pero los exclusivos si en su mayoría y los que mas juego para mi es suficiente (De hecho prácticamente juego puro smash y mario kart en switch), incluso 900p con un buen filtrado como en Zelda me parece bien, ni en One iban a 1080p en su mayoría, no me puedo quejar de una consola híbrida
@@rickespinosa6103 En eso tienes totalmente razón bro
Siento que el Mclassic seria la mejor opción, no me molesta para nada el como se ve la switch, pero si tuviera que elegir entre las 2 opciones pues seria el Mclassic, 4KGamerPro se ve mal, hace la imagen mas nítida pero los dientes de cierra se notan mas y llega a verse peor
Was gonna get for Botw 2 but after looking at it, it takes away too much detail. Yes its clearer in a way but its like losing grain when digitizing a film reel.
How's a Xbox One S?
I have an mClassic and was looking for a good comparison vid after hearing about a new dongle with a similar purpose. Seems like most everyone in the comments has the same thoughts as I after viewing. Now my stupid brain is wondering if I could get the best of both worlds by combining them... If it even worked would there be, too noticable, further latency? Would the order they're plugged in alter the image?
can you daisy chain these devices to add both post processing to the image?
can you compare to the xbox passthrough upscaler, thanks
That what i need it's a device to provide a serious 2x-4x or more MLAA FXAA or any other anti aliasing method and 1080p upscaling for my PS3 Xbox360 and Switch,and i don't understand why it's so difficult to make it.
Mclassic and Mcable it's just ok but not enough and 4k Gamer Pro it's to much expensive and without AA,obviously!
I wish for the future 🙏
I own mclassic, got it dorsekf at Christmas, but this 4k gamer pro. I'm liking it on this video, may have to upgrade to it
So basically, the 4K Gamer Pro offers crisper image, but also with more jagged edges.
makes me want to get the 4k gamer pro, and put the mclassic after it for anti-aliasing
A new update just dropped for elden ring
Could you please do an analysis to see if there are any performance improvements?
So you just plug the upscaler into the switch and it makes graphics better? Does this go against the nintendoswitch TOS?
I have a interesting idea for a video, but I don’t have the money to buy like four of those lol I was wondering if I connect two of them to the ps4 VR1 and two more for the input and output running them with the ps4 pro and ps5 would it make a difference
This kind of devices can be interesting, if it deliver quality.
Especially for old gen console.
Thank you for your vidéos.
I've tried it on quite a few systems now. I'd say for PS3 its fantastic! And its worth owning for Switch games as there is still no Switch Pro. I tried it on 360 also and also there it adds another layer of AA on top of the MSAA 360 games use. So your pretty much polishing up the image even more there. It's worth getting as it's not locked to just one system like other upscalers. You can get it to work on pretty much everything.
@@WllKiedSnake For the PS3 too. The aliasing IS too strong on this console.
@@djameldjamel8763 A lot of PS3 games had no AA at all also. Mostly Unreal Engine games. So the Mclassic can add some AA. I believe it applys 4xSMAA. Not sure though. It would make sense it is SMAA though as SMAA looks sharp when used. It's great to use it on the Ratchet and Clank games especially Crack in Time and especially on MGS4. Also early games that used Quincunx AA it will overcome how blurry the image looked in games that used that. GTA4 for example.
are these from the same company or is the 4k gamer pro from a competitor ?
Can't wait to try this with my MClassic.
Do these work on low end/old pc's? If they did it would be game changing for keeping systems relevant for years.
I heard many people use both first the mclassic and then the 4kp on top any opinions?
Is it possible to combine them? Put mclassic for the benefits of anti aliasing and then put the 4k ganer pro into the nclassic to upscale the the picture to 4k?
Se ve mucho mejor y hay que recordar que solo aumentan la imagen no cambian nada dentro de la consola por lo que gráficos en si no cambian
AMIGOS lo que sucede es que TODOS LOS JUEGOS DE SWITCH TIENEN DIENTES DE SIERRA, pero se disimulan por la falta de resolucion y nitidez, tonces cuando le aplicas el 4k gamer pro ayuda tanto a la resolucion y nitidez que solo se hace evidente los dientes de sierra que siempre tuvo, a un asi tremendo cambio se ve espectacular, el cambio es brutal incluso pareciera que tuviera HDR QUE AUN NO ENTIENDO PORQUE SWITCH NO TIENE. SALUDOS.
pd: el mclasic disimula los dientes de sierra simplemente porque su resultado no estan bueno como el del 4k gamer pro
De hecho mientras menos resolución más evidentes son los dientes de sierra, pero en lo demás concuerdo
If you buy one, it would be mclassic (cheaper price, good anti-aliasing). Rich enough, buy both. use mclassic and 4k gamer pro both.
Exactly.
I can barely tell the difference
Ones sharper one has better AA.
Wow the 4k adapter really make a difference
of making it look worse
The 4K Gamer Pro certainly does an alright job upscailing the image, however the anti-aliasing on the MClassic is unmatched fr
In my opinion the difference is not enough to justify the investment. In the pictures you can see some differences, probably not noticeable when everything is moving on the screen.
What about the latency caused by these methods?
That screen you used on this comparison ???
Do you confirm that mClassic "only" upscale to 1440p (Switch, PS3, Wii U) and not to 4K? If i use a 4K Sony tv (like the new A95K), is it better to use 4K Gamer Pro in order to upscale to 4K resolution? thanks
Yes the 4K gamer pro i just bought it played for long and then turn it off and it really makes the image look better and you can readjust your tv settings to make it look perfect but it will definitely give you legit 4k readings even on your tv wich the mclassic doesn’t do since is just giving you what a moder tv Can already do good luck with your pick my friend
@@Airsoft_forever777 do you only have 4k gamer pro or mClassic too?
Does Upscaling from 4k tv like top model of samsung produce the same effects / similar to Mclassic?
Donde puedo comprar esas aparatos?
Yo compré el Mclassic en Amazon, asumo que puedes comprarlo también en la pagina de Marseille.
Recomiendo basado en el video el Mclassic porque aunque llega solo hasta 1440p y no 4k tiene mejor "anti-aliasing " que el 4K gamer pro que parace aplicar demasiado "sharpening" haciendo la imagen visualmente artificial y de menor fidelidad comparado con el balance entre claridad y naturaleza en visuales de Mclassic
Can you use them together?
yes
new TVs like LG C2 could achieve similar effect through picture settings
definitely too much sharpening on the 4k Gamer Pro, looks like a cheap TV upscaling. the Mclassic is a nice blend of increasing sharpness and overall pop, but for $100 it seems a bit too expensive
Te compras el MClassic y le subes a +10 la nitidez para que los bordes de sierra se vean más mamalones y ya tienes el otro
NO, hacelo y veras que no sucede tu magia, hace un video y muestra el resultado.
I personally prefer the smoother anti aliasing benefits of the mclassic than the possibly sharper but then more jaggy edge 4k gamer pro
I like the M classics versatility to be used with all my gaming consoles and not just my HD ones
These devices are far too expensive for the minimal upgrade. The mclassic is over $100. For that price it needs to be a much better. I'd value the upgrade in the $10-$20 range. It's just too small of an upgrade to justify that price point. For the Switch. Might work wonders for the PS3.
mClassic produces much cleaner results, 4KGamerPro just looks oversharpened
Tbh, even though the mClassic shows better AA, I think many might actually prefer the sharper image of the 4K Gamer Pro from living room distances, though thats just my speculation. mClassic is doing a great job, but feels like its maintaining too much of the smudged TAA look that overwhelms most games now.
When this going to release ?
4k gamer pro have great sharp pixel!!
I love it!!
Yea, imma a "retro look" kind of person.
Could you pass the 4k gamer pro through the m classic to get a sharp and smoothed out image combined?
Does 4k gamer pro work with a gamecube and if it does what's the best hdmi adapter to combine it with?????
Is there a video of the 2 combined?
Crazy how much detail 4k gamer pro shows
Is there a benifit for 1080p gaming? Say on a higher refresh rate
Can I use it together with my Mclassic (like both on the same HDMI line...)?
If you have a Samsung curve 4K tv that already upscales 1080p video content is something like this honestly even necessary? Thanks.
No it is not, if anything all you’re doing is getting in the way of its processing and making the image look worse by the time it’s all said and done. Especially if your image was already full RGB and you’re now having to operate on limited because you chose to connect a m-Classic to it.
The 4K is Razor Sharp and I think it would look great with some consoles but it’s probably too sharp especially with 3D games
I think that if you already have a decent TV upscaler (like Sony X1 or better) should be enough or even better then those useless stuff
The Mclassic adds no latency where's doing it thorough the TV probably will.
@@WllKiedSnake Nah sonys only adds latency if you have there upscaler to auto. If you control it manually it doesn't add latency period.
@@Niothe0 Good to know. :)
@@WllKiedSnake Yeah. Oh also it doesn't add to much input lag on auto which upscales and adjusts sharpness on the fly.
But if you want the best upscale on Sony get one of there tvs with the XR chip it's much sharper than the X1 which is already good.
@@Niothe0 The good thing about a Mclassic though is that it cost like 80 to 90 dollars or pounds vs a few grand for a Sony TV. So it's good for those people who don't have those sorta funds. I'm tempted to get a LG CX or C1 TV. But I'm may get one of Sonys new TV's just gotta evaluate which one is future proofed when it's comes to new features coming to gaming systems.
Isn't this nearly achievable with the TVs built-in sharpening option in the settings?
Any TV with solid processing will smoke the both of them. I had an m-classic for a previous TV but when I got my newer OLED it lost all its point. Not to mention being limited RGB on a TV that can do full sucks. There tends to be additional color banding, especially on something like a TCL, when you’re forced to limited that goes away when you put it on full.
モニター側でシャープネス適用したのとあんまり変わらなくて草
Why disney infinity is in the description of the video?
Mclassic is great but the 4k prod version causes too much distracting noise in the backgrounds and the over sharpened aliased look. I can use an Mclassic and change the sharpness on my tv if I really want more defined edges.
has anyone tried the 4k gamer pro with a cable box? I'm hoping to find something to upscale an 1080i resolution to 4k or at least something like that. thank you.
how does it look in splatoon 2??
De hecho, combinar ambos MClassic y 4k Gamer Pro es la experiencia definitiva. Definición y antialiasing da un resultado espectacular, deberías hacer un video probandolo.
Conectando los dos a la vez. Será el doble de precio.
Y con el mcable gamibg edition
I’m curious to see this on the witcher 3 without AA
I'd say the 4k pro gamer is way to go if don't already own Mclassic
mClassic for 1440p IPS gaming monitors, mClassic+EDID 1080p emulator+4k Gamer Pro for 4k TVs and OLEDs. Contrary to what people are saying, the smart TV options will never do as good of a job as both of these combined.
I definitely prefer the 4k Gamer over the mclassic considering it upscales far better and has punchy coloring but Mclassic is probably better for most people because it doesn't have jagged edges. Think the 4k gamer pro is just a better bang for your buck. Mclassic is far too subtle in my opinion, it's soft buttery visuals are nice but often times it barely upscales and doesn't up the coloring. Not to mention the 4k gamer does wonders for lighting and shadows. But you can always daisy chain them to get best of both worlds
I feel like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are not meant to be upscaled so much. With such incredibly high detail it just highlights the faults and low ends of the Switch's capabilities and puts them under a spotlight. The mClassic upscales it enough to where it does look better but still has that artistic feel of what BoTW has. It feels like seeing art come to life like if its a painting or something. Too much high definition takes it away and kills the immersion.
I personally prefer a slightly less sharp image but with better AA, so mcable for me
Hay una combinación para Nintendo switch que ví en un vídeo y era poner el mClassic para subir a 1440p (2K) y luego el cinema cable de ellos mismos que sube a 2160p (4K) obviamente es más costoso pero se llega al 4K con marseille
Original: 🙂
Mclassic: 😎
4K Gamer Pro: 🤮
I had the Mclassic for two years and I loved it so much and it worked really damn well. THEN IT BROKE
4k gamer pro is great for 720/1080p games, but some few games well look jagged, i take that over the nintendo hdmi any day
Don't know beside contrast change (especial with mclassic) in some frames the Upscalers look worse than original. Still best method of upscaling old/Nintendo games are the emulators.
Bro tu sabes que pasa cuando le aumentas el detalle a una foto? Se ve como fea pues eso es el de 4k el más caro osea el Swich de ve medio feo
People must have money to just throw away...
The mclassic has smoother visuals and great anti aliasing. The 4k gamer pro is sharper, keeps more details but also has more ridges and destroys anti aliasing.
It gets more brighter when you upscale it I don't know if it's because of the TV lol