Intel’s In A Bad Spot
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hey Brett bro im tempted to jump off Intel aftter 30 yrs . im 80% sure im going to AMD after so long , last time i was on AMD was when fx8530 wasa thing . Barely got my 14900k stable and not everything i paid for.
Intel's new slogan. Intel - if your cpu doesnt work, its your fault
If you went back 10 years and told people intel cpus would be crashing and struggling to keep pace with AMD, i don't think they would believe it
Lisa Su is rubbing her hands together at this exact moment
Lisa only has 20% cpu market share and 15% in gpu, so she better rub really hard to squeeze out some $$$
You are wrong, i7 13700k and 14700k have instability issues too
yep sounds like its a degradation issue, which occurs slower for those chips due to them not getting pushed as far. scary because it means that as time go on a higher percentage of these chips are just going to fail.
I read about one user saying that their i5s are also failing.
Potentially all of them have it. It's just luck. The more cores, the more likely.
Yeah, i have a i7 13700kf and mine is complete shit rn, im trying to get it sent back through the place i bought my pc parts from but i might have accidentally thrown away yhe box so it might be rip for me
Imagine you're a indie game dev and suddenly out of the blue your engine randomly crashes or there are inexplicable performance issues cropping up exclusively on a select number of developer or testing machines but not on others in identical scenarios with identical code. That's what happened to some clients of mine. They called me in to help diagnose the issues with their programmers .. turns out there was neither an issue with the code nor their toolchain. I've honestly never seen such a wide spread of seemilingly unrelated issues that could all be fixed instantly by a CPU replacement 🙄
Intel's issue has got be from a bad production for the 13th and 14th gen, most likely their testing and fault tolerance from their manufacturing has dropped to ensure that they don't lose their market position and spot as the "Best/Fastest Gaming CPU". They already lost in terms of efficiency, thermals and Socket support. Intel kinda has a bad track record on owning up to their mistakes. At this point they are probably riding from their high horse where AMD flopped in the Bulldozer Era.
I really hope Intel doesn't become what AMD was then
No issues at all with my 13600K. It overclocks like a beast (6GHz) and is 100% stable. It's not 13th gen. It's the Core i9 processors. Thanks!
@@the12gaugeshotty I’m in a position in my life where I can afford to buy any computer processor I want and that should be the I-9 except I’m not gonna buy something that’s gonna crash so I went AMD. That is a massive problem for Intel.
@@the12gaugeshottyIt works... for now
Don't forget, the Pentagon dropped their $2.5 billion contract with intel too.
I hope to God they don't have a bulldozer moment. Less competition means the consumer gets taken advantage of
With Intel instability problem, you still did not cover the fact that these issues are also happening on the W680 server motherboards which are made for stability in mind, they are not meant for overclocking and boosting behaviour at all, they are meant for providing as stable of an experience as possible and even there, these CPUs are still unstable. At this point, it seems like this is really an architectural problem with the 13th-14th gen (they share the same architecture) because Wendell from Level1Techs also said that 12th gen is not suffering from this issue. Brian from Tech YES City had been talking about these issues since when the 13th gen was first launched and its really starting to look like he was really onto something even in his first video on this topic.
Two of my friends have same issue with i9 13900kf and 14700k blue screen & black screen also the funniest thing is intel reject the RMA
@@Dhruv-qw7jf people who want a safe intel platform might flock to the 12th gen in a hurry..
Which mean the price of those CPUs will become a contender with the 13th and 14th ...
Or intel can start remanufacturing the 12th gen to cover the very possibility of profit losses on the sale of 13th and 14th gens..
Or people simply buy the AMD..
A replacement can't fix this problem since it shares the same design flaw. They need to bump people up to the 15th gen when it comes out and count their losses.
Asus, Samsung, Zotac, Intel.... I mean, there is a very bad corporate trend happening lately : The compagnies that worked so hard to gain a trusty reputation for their brand just gave up for a short term profit. Its like if they just lost long time perspective. Which should teach us a lesson : speculation and shareholding are bad for long term business.
You'll own no computer and you'll be happy😅😅 You guys don't still really get what is happening right?
Intel has been making comsumer 8(P)-core cpus for what a decade, near two decades now? (aside from the 10900K)
It's like they forget how to make them lol.
They don't know how to make them perform better than amd. So they just push more power to try and win some bench and games lmao.
@@i-3003 not really; amd caught up to intel only with 5800x3d, which equaled the 12700K that was released in 2021; while the 5800x3d released in 2022; it s just intel was never good at good jumps on same platform; that s why most of the time they got really small jumps on same platform; but also amd was always 1-2 years behind in performance compared to intel so they never really cared about amd; but if you go back and watch the jumps between platforms on intel cpus; it was always between 25% and 40%; while on same platform usually it was only 10%; and now it s another platform jump, while also jumping from 10nm to 3nm, which is less than even what amd produces; for the first time in history intel has the better architecture technology; so the jump for arrow lake shall be really impressive compared to 13th and 14th gen; and even compared to amd; since amd themselves have claimed that 9950x is just 5% faster than a 2 year old 13900k in gaming; while still performing worse in multicore
@@KoItai1 Someone hasn't watched a breadth of quality unbiased 3rd party CPU reviews and it shows ...
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Intel's answer has always been "more mhz" and muscle your way through. It isn't working anymore.
It feels like Intel is trying to push the issues aside until they release their new chips.
Warranty in America blows my mind. How can they just deny it?!? It's broken because of a fault, so you have to fix it.
Wendell's testing is wild. Looking back at 90 days worth of rolling logs from vendors, seeing the number of errors is over 1000+ on the I9 vs less than 20 on any AMD CPU. That's a wild margin. If you're a vendor and you are using either of these for a game server, that's not anything you can deal with. You shouldn't be using these for gameservers; but there is no way you can take the financial loss. You'd go with a 7950X or anything else to avoid the loss.
Not the NUHVADA
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ATTENTION!!
My 14700kf is having same severe issues too.
(vram errors, crashes every 2 minutes or every 2 hours depending on the game, even chrome errors, blue screens)
Thank you for your attention
Steve at Gamers nexus hinted he is going to come out with a piece soon on the Intel chips and that it is a LOT worse than Intel has led everyone to believe, he hinted that the issue is unfixable. So we may end up with another Intel FOOF bug where they have to shitcan the whole line and if Intel doesn't refund the customers? i could see a huge class action lawsuit in their future.
I know for the foreseeable future I'll be sticking with AMD for all my builds because if Intel is shafting users with RMA denials and blaming the mobo makers on this what other issues do their 13th and 14th gen chips have?
Never forget how predatory Intel corporation was when it had the top of the hill position.
You think AMD will be different?
If intel will not be competitive than AMD will become what intel was 10 years ago. "Greedy"
@@sovietunion9131 I don't disagree! And I'm hoping both AMD and Intel can compete in the GPU space.
@@swagyolo8602 absolutely not.
Huh the car that removed the lidar from its cars. Setting its AI self-driving back years. Isn’t ready for robot taxi’s. Who could’ve seen this coming. :(
Ummm errrmmmm, but it's not needed and expensive!!!!!!!
This reminds me in a very slight way to the guy that built the titan submarine that imploded.
"Everyone in the industry won't do this thing. So I'm gonna be an entrepreneur and do this thing, because it's clearly better!"
*Several years later, the consequences of those choices are made clear*
I presume Tesla couldn't get the rights to the name "Johnny Cabs"... 😂
#TotalRecall
Be me: buys budget intel cpu (12100). Height of 30 series being scalped.
upgrades to 14900k.
;(
Ouch... have you experienced any problems with it tho?
You should be fine as long as you use one of the BIOS profiles that lower the power usage a bit.
😶
why do you guys go for the 900k
I brought this up in a video in 2023, people couldn't believe there were issues. Happy to see people like Wendell and Tech Yes talking about this.
The problem with saying that the i7s are fine, is that we dont have the data to really know that. Depending in what it really is, it could be that the workstation setups are most impacted due to their consistent use, then the end user i9 because they are stressed. We could be in the verge of i7s starting to show the problem after more time being stressed, we just dont know. Until intel comes out and presents some facts I i would be suspicious of all 13th and 14th gen.
They need to make new revisions of the bad CPUs and send those out.
Welcome to "The Pentium Math Bug" round II
Well, the Pentium bug was a design flaw. This round, Intel is essentially overclocking their CPUs and it's degrading the chip.
@@spry_guy they’ve got some sort of fab issue. and like the fdiv problem, they’re pretending it doesn’t exist.
@@spry_guyApparently not, it apparently is a cache defect that causes it to break, sometimes disabling e-cores fix it cause the break happened on the connection to those cores
Note: For 13-14th K issues i7 13700K is affected too. I already sent my CPU to Intel and the RMA was not denied. They sending me a new one now since they concluded that it was CPU problem. This probably much rarer than i9 BUT it still happens, if anyone of you start having problem and Intel 's bios settings don't work send them an rma ticket.
Cult 285k? This whole AI thing sounds like a cult anyway.
stock bubble, like Crypto.
Gaming Vegas Sphere with 360 Surround Sound 😂😂
So glad I went with an AMD CPU when I bought my new system.
AMD CPUs are far better anyway. If you look at other specs beyond a few FPS in some games due to single core performance you'd see that AMD has far better I/O, PCIe Gen 5 support, AVX-512 support, and more.
Me too, my 7700X-based system has been rock-solid stable.
@@zebrapluto530 intel also have avx-512 support just need to activate it.
@@sovietunion9131 Only the early batches of 12th gen, and you have to disable e-cores to do it. I wouldn't be bragging about that.
@@zebrapluto530 Thanks for the info. Currently I am looking into buying upcoming chips and both sides are very competitive. On desktop 9000 Series and Arrow Lake. On mobile lineup Lunar Lake and AMD Ryzen Strix Chips
To be honest, the i9, i7, etc, and now the ultra 9, ultra 7, etc, are redundant. I was never saying those anyway.
It's not like we have i7 14900k so we need that part to differentiate it from a lower powered i5 14900k...
So just don't bother saying the i (ultra) part altogether.
It used to be that _Intel Inside_ was a source of confidence.
Now it feels like that horror scene: _Intel system calls are coming from inside of the house_
I work in the IT industry, sometimes its not the fact that somethings not ready, its more the red-line😅😭 caused by paperwork that delays a lot of things
Why does it feel like Intel corporation must have hired on former Boeing executives?
Intel has been making comsumer 8(P)-core cpus for what a decade, near two decades now? (aside from the 10900K)
It's like they forget how to make them lol
Consumer grade, more like 5 years. I think there was possibly a HEDT 8 core i7 on skt2011 but that was a server platform. Intel were pumping out quad core after quad core until 2018 on desktop platforms.
Yea im currently using that i7 from the 2011-3 socket era(i7 5960x)@@talibong9518
Two decades ago intel didnt have a dual core yet, intel's first consumer 8 core was the 9900k, what are you talking about?
Thanks to all the talk about issues with intel processors I finally fixed crashing on my PC which has been happening to me for years by slightly underclocking my 13900k and setting max throttling temp to 90 instead of 100, haven't noticed much of a change in performance if any but it completely got rid of the daily crashes. Still this should in no way be on the consumers to fix these issues and these stability issues have been unacceptable!
I have a 13900k and had two crashes. Game performance has been ok 99% of the time with some stutter, which could be Windows 11. I guess I have been lucky.
check stability with prime95 small ffts, if it fails, your not lucky.
thats a problem with intel user..anything crash,blame others like win11,gpu,driver..u'll crash eventually.that chip degrade faster than u think
I switched back to w10 because of stutters on w11
You should have zero crashes.
hard to comment without knowing how much time you have been running that cpu. If you got it when it was released, what i believe was january 2023 , two crashes is irrelevant given that in the meantime you had windows updates that were making system crashes, at least one nvidia driver that caused crashes(and was latter subject of an hotfix) and dozens of games that had crash events acknowledge and repaired.
This is absolutely awful for Intel. Holy moly
My Las Vegas hotel had a great view of the sphere from the rooms on one side. The other side has a great view of the airport. Before The Sphere, the airport side was the most popular. Now The Sphere side is the most popular among guests. I hung out in my friends room and was able to watch The Sphere for a few hours. It's amazing. The content was never ending and there were few repeats. The view was slightly obscured by another hotel but that made it all the impressive thanks to the scale it provided.
Glad I learned about these issues now. I was about to build a workstation with an i9.
I switched to AMD since the first gen Ryzen and never looked back.
13700 and 14700 having issues too.
As someone who lives in Las Vegas, I feel concerned that our orb may suddenly come face to face with the blue screen of death.
AMD ftw. I run a 5600 with a 6700xt. Fairly inexpensive system that does exactly what I need it to do.
0:25 awhhh you said it correctly. Thank you :D
Stockholders don't seem to give a crap about any of the issues with the Intel CPUs. Stock is going up like we haven't seen in a while! 😂
Because the issue is overblown and the stock was heavily undervalued. The market is forward looking and the investments Intel made in ASML High NA-EUV machines and new fabs in Ohio and Arizona might soon help them catch up with TSMC
Because future will be very competitive. Lunar lake is impressive , Arrow lake seems impressive. They also have the most advanced EUV which will start chip production in 2025. AMD side is also fire with their AI chips and 9000 series desktop chips.
Thanks for sharing this! Great video as always
There are some reports on some sites that i7 and i5s are also having issues. If that's true, this isn't good for Intel at all.
I noticed the microcenter near me no longer has bundles for sale for 13 and 14 series intel processors for a few months now. Probably has something to do with them failing.
You realize we the "non-Americans" are not enjoying breakfast when we see This video 😂?
The display stuff for nvidia is not following existing display trends. 4k is 3840x2160 we agree right? If we do 4k displays in a 2x2 array, this would give us a resolution of 7680x4320, so that is 8k not 16k. 16k would have to be 16 4k panels in a 4x4 array.
witch mic do you use ?
my 14600k also has this issues
I just got a Dell Vostro 3520. It would benefit from undervolting (the thermal throttling is really bad otherwise), but of course that was disabled because apparently you have a security vulnerability by being able to undervolt. Intel chips are simply peak, you all don't understand
yeah and amd laptop cpus couldn't be undervolted since the first ryzen so its not intel issue
Didn't Linus do a 16k gaming rig with like two Nvidia cards?
Thank you for clarifying the issues roughly pertains to the I-9 section and not fully the I-7. I just recent bought an I-7 14700kf and Ive just now have been seeing all this information about how it is prone to bending because of the heat as well as this recent news. I am aware is still has a chance but it feels a little better knowing that its less of one.
I've been having crashes on my i7 12700f if my computer is on for too long. I was suspecting it was my 4090 gpu so I switched it back to my 1080ti recently. Currently letting my computer run and waiting to see if I'm still getting crashes.
12th gen doesn't seem to be effected by this issue, only Raptor Lake.
next time it happens, check the event manager in windows. this could help finding the problem
last august i was in vegas and saw th sphere from a hotel room and while it was nice to watch the videos playing on it they were definitely not 60fps
I got frostpunk 1 with the steam summer sale and it's quickly become one of my favorite games
It is affecting i7s according to the stats, just not as fast.
Hi guys I got a 13900k on opening retail release week in Canada. I don't have my lot number or whatever they call it at hand at the moment but I have had no stability issues even at 5.8G all P core e cores on at 4.1 all core. Perhaps I was lucky. I do use an arctic liquid frzr 420mm AIO?
Intel is replacing my 14900ks. It wasn't too hard, they just ask me to try the bios settings first, sent a few pics, and now I'm waiting on the warranty team to finalize a cross-shipping method. Mine has a defect on the IHS lid, though. It has a really tiny bubble that popped up over time, like a pin-head piece of metal sticking out. I'm not sure if it cause my 2 turbo boost max cores to fry themseleves. System works fine with those cores disabled, even plays games fine still with the old cpu. Using it to type this comment rn.
This is why I tend to buy a gen or 2 behind, that and clearance deals. But this one covers TWO gens.
Hmmm... Imagine playing games on the sphere...
At the studio we use AMD CPUs cause they're a bit more efficient on power.
7800x3d
AMD in a couple of days: Hold my beer 🍺
Whilst all manufacturers will have troubles over time, we've recently had reports that some companies are now charging significantly more for repairing servers with 13900/14900 CPUs, due to the sheer number of failures. In fact these server companies are suggesting customers switch to AMD servers instead.
We've also had Intel firstly denying there were problems, then blaming gaming motherboard vendors. Then finally admitting a dodgy boost setting caused some, but not all, of the problems.
They have treir ooops moment already, the new radeon drivers 24.6.1 are completely borked 😅
I want to swap to AM5 for the longevity. LGA 1200 was short lived
@@dagnisnierlins188 Which would be totally irrelevant to the gameserver market
@@goddessofwar4955 does it have to be about game servers to be relevant?
Intel are in a good long term position. There's new fab machines will be picking up momentum.
that cort guitar looks siick
12th of July 🤤 - sweeeeeeeet
If it's any consolation, in many countries here in Asia they go by YY/MM/DD so July 12 is fine. And the Philippines follows the American date formatting so it's July 12, 2024 as well.
I was (up until two months ago) a pc optimizer, i literally overclocked and built systems for a living and about 20% of the 14900k are literally coming just AWFUL at arrival, really really unstable. From what i could gather in manny manny tests and benchmarks, its about the memory controller
I have the 13700k so far no issues. My next cpu is AMD.
i mean, even amd had a problem on asus mainboards, but amd handled it WHERY well even if it was not there fault at all
The problem is: the CPU are NOT getting ENOUGH voltages!
The Power AC and DC load-line settings in the Bios are changing the voltages that the CPU gets,
thus not providing enough voltages at certain frequencies under high loads.
I can run the 12 gen CPU on Load line calibration LLC 1 fine, but the 14 gen needs LLC 8 to achieve higher frequencies because there is too much V droop at lower Load-line settings, and the CPU does not get enough voltages under higher loads..
14 gen needs more power and voltages under high loads..
So Intel and Motherboard manufacturers just need to fix their Load line CPU Microcode and Bios settings ...
And it is cool that intel lets us change the load-line settings so that we can under-volt the CPU, but if the under-volt is too aggressive crashes, errors, or instability happens.
i tested this, and even the "out of video Memory" error was not present when i just was sending a bit more voltage to the CPU, but it was present if i was sending to little voltage.
Apps and games were not starting or crashing with too little voltages, but not crashing anymore with a bit more..
the bigest issue is us us laptop intel users i have the i9 13980hx no way to adjust anything in bios or get a bios update i do have some issues in some games
Listen here I may be able to drive.I'm really good at driving in a parking lot and parking.lol
He tried REALLY hard not to say I really don't need a virus when he was saying he doesn't need a AMD GPU in his personal rig.
As a game developer, I'm having similar issues with my i9-10900K. On my older intel machines or AMD machines I have no issues whatsoever.
10900k should be fine. Is it overclocked/undervolted? It pretty unlikely to be the same problem.
It’s not as simple as pushing an update. If it was, it’d be fixed by now.
My current guess is there’s a hardware flaw in the on-chip cache.
Did you see the Autonomous Driving Indycar at Goodwood festival of speed? drove the lap just fine, it is possible.
I need a familiar face on the video thumbnail or i wont be able to tell you released a video! Almost missed this one.
*Hears voice, closes vid in 2 seconds*
But can the sphere run Crysis?
So who is going to raid the orb with me like it's National Treasure 2024
I own a Strip-side condo in Vegas (17th floor in a tower), and the damned sphere is directly visible from my balcony/living room. In the evening I have to close all the shades on that side of the unit. It's bright as f&*(. Very irritating!
Possibly they are denying RMA because they don't have enough good binning for replacements.
I got the 13700K and i get out of memory issues when im not limiting the power draw to 150W. Only in some Games tho.
I'm with Reese on the Starfield merch. I haven't really considered playing the game but I almost bought the bedding set, they've got pretty cool designs.
Intel is about to have a massive layoff at the end of July
did I hear you say "Las Vegas fear" instead of sphere...
I limited my 13900K at 215W, 5.5ghz p cores, vcore 1.35, max 1.38 , from the first day I bought it and I didn't had any problems, the temps are very good
Intel did the big brain thing. pretending they still have the best CPUs on the market they basically did a Boeing and are selling chips they know are faulty.
It blows my mind Intel is actively driving the market to their competition.
can't replace cause the whole lot is Bugged ~ till solutions are out then RMA can continue
Side note. Reese drives on the left side of the road
I'm glad the 3770k was the last Intel chip I've bought.
Can all that computing power in the dome run Cyberpunk at 60fps?
I keep thinking for the last 5 years that the next GPU generation will be the same performance as last gen but with half the power draw....PLEEEASE!
14700k rock solid. Pass occt right now with 0.080 undervolt.
really makes me rethink buying a i7 14700 if this is a normal thing for that model. i have very little money to spend on pc parts so at 400 bucks it's not something i can pay for twice.