@@peterdavy6110 George I spoke and understood several languages, including English, but wasn't as fluent in English as he was in other languages due to his somewhat limited vocabulary, which lead to him preferring to use French and German for personal conversation. There are in fact contemporaneous sources which confirm that George was able to, speak, read and understand English. All claims to the contrary are mere myths.
RE that people have said that this isn't from Joshua , but is from Judas Maccabeo - in fact Handel wrote it into both operas! He often used the same signatures, airs etc in many various works.
Unfortunate that Handel's oratorios (ortoria?) don't get performed more often. As great a work as "Messiah" is, there are many others that are just as dramatic - "Israel in Egypt," for instance. They're well worth listening to.
@@TheMinisigi I heard on the radio once that he reused a melody from an opera he wrote in the messiah. "O thou that tellest good tidings to zion" was originally a comic duet between two prostitutes discussing a mutual customer. I think I prefer the messiah version better.
It was not uncommon for baroque composers to recycle material, especially if it was good. Bach did it all the time. The first movement of the famous Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 also appears as the Sinfonia of the Cantata "Ich liebe den Höchsten von ganzem Gemüte, BWV 174." It was not unacceptable to "borrow" from other composers as well, e.g. Bach's organ rendition of several of Vivaldi violin concerti.
Actually, do you know what Jesus means? Jesus is the Anglicization of the Greek Iesou, which is the Greek form of the Hebrew Yeshua, which is the shortening of Yehoshua, which means Jehovah God Saves, and guess who else had that name? Joshua! Joshua is Yeshua
See Pat Snow's reply to Fr Jonathan below. This is originally from Joshua which was written after Judas Maccabeus, but later added to Judas Maccabeus due to its popularity.
There's another president I think fits into this song better - namely Theodore Roosevelt. I think it fits him well, between the whole Rough Rider thing and his work to take down the trusts!
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Ah, Mr Handel that great English composer. (And before anybody says he wasn't English - that's nonsense he was as English as the King!)
He was a naturalised British citizen and lived there for much of his life. Thats presumably what has created this confusion.
@@emperorpalpatine7099 And the King was George I born (& died) in Hanover and who never spoke a word of English.
@@peterdavy6110 George I spoke and understood several languages, including English, but wasn't as fluent in English as he was in other languages due to his somewhat limited vocabulary, which lead to him preferring to use French and German for personal conversation. There are in fact contemporaneous sources which confirm that George was able to, speak, read and understand English. All claims to the contrary are mere myths.
Mr. Händel was English as well as the butterfly is an insect and not a caterpillar nor an egg, not even a pupa.
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I love Handel, but not George I. Too bad the Stuarts couldn’t continue their line.
Splendid.
RE that people have said that this isn't from Joshua , but is from Judas Maccabeo - in fact Handel wrote it into both operas! He often used the same signatures, airs etc in many various works.
Händel and Bach and some others did "copy and paste" several times
I would really hope I am the HERO!!!
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Unfortunate that Handel's oratorios (ortoria?) don't get performed more often. As great a work as "Messiah" is, there are many others that are just as dramatic - "Israel in Egypt," for instance. They're well worth listening to.
The hymn is thine be the glory it speaks of Christ the risen saviour
The risen and only Saviour! Glory to God!
Hail Yeshua!
Splendid
In fact this is from 'Judas Maccabeus'
It was written for Joshua but then added to Judas Maccabeaus - per Wikipedia Still uplifting
I didn't know that, Pat, though often Handel was willing to re-use a good tune. Thanks.
@@TheMinisigi I heard on the radio once that he reused a melody from an opera he wrote in the messiah. "O thou that tellest good tidings to zion" was originally a comic duet between two prostitutes discussing a mutual customer. I think I prefer the messiah version better.
It was not uncommon for baroque composers to recycle material, especially if it was good. Bach did it all the time. The first movement of the famous Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 also appears as the Sinfonia of the Cantata "Ich liebe den Höchsten von ganzem Gemüte, BWV 174." It was not unacceptable to "borrow" from other composers as well, e.g. Bach's organ rendition of several of Vivaldi violin concerti.
He breaks the World!
The first person I think of when I hear this song is Jesus, because there's a Christian song that uses the same melody!
"Thine be the Glory"
Actually, do you know what Jesus means? Jesus is the Anglicization of the Greek Iesou, which is the Greek form of the Hebrew Yeshua, which is the shortening of Yehoshua, which means Jehovah God Saves, and guess who else had that name? Joshua! Joshua is Yeshua
@@artygunnar Um, what does this mean?
The Saviour?
POV the Germans visit England in the XVIIIth century.
Listen to it at x1.25!
Not Joshua, but Judas Maccabeus!
See Pat Snow's reply to Fr Jonathan below. This is originally from Joshua which was written after Judas Maccabeus, but later added to Judas Maccabeus due to its popularity.
That is the fascinating kind of detail which makes these comboxes so useful. Thanks.
@@nyo267n Also Number 58 Joshua Oratorio
@@pacoyusty גר קר גרס בר הא בר הא בר הא הא בר בא א הא כ ג בא הא הא א
@@zusiarodan6969 what language?
easy to tell that the choir dont speak english natively
I think about Donald Trump when I hear this song.
Funny, I think about him when I smell a skunk....
There's another president I think fits into this song better - namely Theodore Roosevelt. I think it fits him well, between the whole Rough Rider thing and his work to take down the trusts!
interesting, I think about him when I see a lunatic
and rule britannia?
I think about our risen saviour Christ Jesus
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