WHEEL OF TIME 2024: Brandon Sanderson on Amazon's DISASTER
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Your man Salty compares recent BRANDON SANERSON public statements made at the 2024 C2E2 comic covnvention in Chicago, IL, to what he said BEFORE the WHEEL OF TIME show was released on AMAZON PRIIME VIDEO.
I utilize the video I made the time (November 2021) and incorporate Sanderson's newest recent statements, what RAFE JUDKINS said in interviews before and after Season 1, as well as project what this all presumably means for future Hollywood or streaming adaptations of SANDERSON'S own works, such as the MiSTBORN or STORMLIGHT ARCHIVES series.
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I spent decades hoping some studio would adapt TWoT.
I watched the Winter Dragon pilot and laughed my ass off.
Now Rafe Judkins and Amazon has me pining for the days of Billy Zane. :(
In all seriousness, I think Prophet of the Dragon, Alex, Pips and al'Dan could do a better sock puppet adaptation of the main scenes and themes of The Eye of World than Judkins and Amazon did with an $80,000,000 season one budget. Oh and they spend even more on Season 2.
I'm a simple man, I see Sanderson I click.
Im so worried about Sanderson's Stormlight Archives being adapted.
I think that is a worthy fear, unfortunately. Amazon gets a hold on it, they'll give it the Wheel of Time or Warhammer 40K treatment.
I think he should try Elantris first. Its a single book, its a story that might work, the magic is limited for most of it so the budget should not explode to much, and if it does work, he can move on to other Cosmere things. And it got scheming that might work nicely. A good one season thing? Mistborn feels like it would take a huge budget with the metaljumping right at the start, even if it propably got the most potential? Warbreaker feels difficult to make visible in a good way. Main thing though, the author needs to have a veto.
How big can a kickstarter get really? ;)
Here's the one thing: unlike Jordan and Tolkien, Brandon is still alive and relatively young, and I think he's savvy enough to ensure he has veto power over the scripts to avoid a bunch of lefties taking a shit on his legacy.
I feel like Brandon Sanderson is business savvy, successful, and determined enough to get his way for adaptations.
He even mentioned in the past that he rejected offers because they did not give him enough control.
Hopefully, he gets conditions like the netflix One Piece adaptation, where the author had the final say and had full control.
Brandon could only do this if they gave him complete control, which they will never do. A mistborn adaption would be great and a dream come true but unless Sanderson is at the head I'd rather then not do it at all otherwise we'll just get another adaptation that isnt an adaptation
1000% my friend. Unless the studio money is 'silent investment' and the 'distribution' keeps out of it too, anything from Sanderson will end up Disney'd or Amazon'd into another girlboss, globaliist messaging, DEI hell failure both critically and commercially
@@solarydays I would say you're wrong. How can you call it an outlier when they never honor the original IP. And the few times they did like LoTR and GOT they were loved by the masses. Look at the fantasy adaptations out there. They never honor the IP. Shanara, Sword of truth, Eargon, WoT, the Sandman even the Witcher. None of these do as well as GOT or Lotr because they aren't accurate and don't tell the story that's in the books. They didn't do the thing that sold them millions of copies of the books. And WoT isn't for everyone but the people who have read it all say it's better and wonder why they aren't telling that story. The people who are saying it's too long aren't readers anyway and don't read much to begin with.
I would prefer the books I love to never be touched by Hollywood. A producer or director of any film adaptation of a book should never feel the liberty to they’ll their own story.
Agreed. Sanderson has a TON of money from his recent crowd funding campaigns. If it was me I’d ask for silent partner money and then secure distribution but own 99% TOTAL creative control
@@SaltyTravelingC I'm sure Sanderson can raise private equity money and get it done himself. At least it would be his vision. I am so disgusted with all Hollywood adaptions, and it seems in many cases where the show runners haven't read the source material. It would ruin another great series.
The worst thing is the people who break out "the books as written are unfilmable!" Fine, then animate it, where there's no excuse to not go beat-for-beat with the source material, and at the very most cut out things that have no real bearing on the story. The Japanese have been doing this for years.
Rafe's justification for Perrin changes is nonsense. Most first-time readers immediate attach to Perrin before the other 2 boys. It's only later in the books when Jobert forgets Perrin is a character and Rand goes full emo that people realize the truth of the matter, that Mat is the best boi.
Bingo. Especially as a very tall for my age boy in a rough and tumble small town I immediately felt kinship with Perrin. I’m sure someone with a whole different and less masculine and likely infantilized vibe like Rafe could not begin to understand what we are talking about.
@SaltyTravelingC every woman I've talked to said Perrin was their favorite at first.
Perrin embodies what most men face, having to learn to control a body that is larger and more dangerous than about half of the people around them.
That lesson of control and careful thought is something we pick up, or become destructive to those around us, and it is a lesson we pick up just by existing, no wife necessary.
Perrin was easily my favourite of the three boys when I started reading Eye of the World. Giving him a wife and having him kill her is totally a 'Woman in Fridge' trope.
Good to see this video doing well, mate. 🍻
We gotta livestream and talk about great films from the 60s and 70s again, my friend.
Can't offhand think of a single thing in the tv show that I DIDN'T have major issues with. Though I will admit this, somewhat against my will, Lanfear did grow on me a fair bit. And I also think Damane Renna was fun, though she had a crap script, but then, they all did.
Thank you for your view and comment. We don't have to agreed on everything (cheers(
4:35 What exactly is a He/They ? How does that work?
Look at the two people interviewing the wheel of time showrunner, not to mention look at him. Nothing screams wheel of time like these three people, right???? 💀
So many interviews I've covered/clipped over the last three years with the showrunner taking fawning, pro-show softball questions. Not once have I come across a serious interviewer with legitimately unbiased and objectively critical questions.
Screenrant is literally just having AI rewrite Amazon press releases at this point.
But the crushing loss of viewership and catastrophic plummet of actual watch minutes can't be hidden or lied away.
A schizo, with all the voices being male?
I got through Season 1 but could not even get through episode 1 of Season 2. It doesn't even feel like the Wheel of Time.
Damn I never thought the word “bullshit” can be sung so beautifully
Well done
I totally stolen your Benny Hill / Darkfriend video, bro
@@SaltyTravelingC Ha!!! I thought that was mine 🍻
@@zaxx Love that video, Zaxx! Benny Hill was a Legend!
This was a well-made video, sir!
I've always wondered why more Sanderson hate clips haven't been made. That viewing with him and cunty wheel was great, Green wasn't pleased either... lmao
I honestly have nothing against Sanderson. I think he's a prolific and decent Fantasy and Sci-Fi writer, although his writing style (prose) is not really my thing. My point going back to Season One of Wheel of Time remains the same- he is shrewdly picking his battles. What Amazon did is completely separate from the worlds and books he's created.
Sanderson is learning the Hollywood game, to then play the Hollywood game- hopefully (for his fans) to walk out with a production deal that is heavily in his favor creative control-wise. But at the end of the day, it may still result in another 'The Hobbit' trilogy and not a near 'LotR' set of films.
@@SaltyTravelingC forgive my lack of clarity. I meant clips of him hating on the show. They make me laugh so hard because you can clearly see how he knows they fucked this all up... I have absolutely 0 faith in Hollywood to put out anything of value.
@@SaltyTravelingC What do people mean when they say his 'Prose' isn't really your thing. Prose is simply writing in a way that people talk (story-telling) as opposed to using a rhyming metric (poetry). Do you mean you'd rather read 100k word stories as poems because that sounds incredibly tedious or do you just not like something but don't know how to express it properly without a meme to clip in?
Well, to be fair, Perrin doesn't go on a fun adventure with his friends in the book. He goes because at least one Fade and a fist of Trollocs are after him and will nuke Emond's Field to get him. And he's constantly being chased and harassed to be killed or captured (including B'mon dreams). Occasionally he and the three ta'veren will have a fun moment where they can at least appreciate something, but not really. Perrin is running for his life, as the only way to protect his home and family, and is trying to find somewhere safe, or hopefully even trying to find a way to stop it. Perrin's potential killer rage issues would have been brought up organically in the series if they had followed the actual plot instead of what Rafe wanted to write instead of the plot.
I see this not going past the 3rd season.
The whole point of the makes being dangerous was ruined since they made it so that the girl characters might be the Dragon
That show sucked. Didn’t watch past 1st season.
You’re lucky- I nearly caught brain AIDS from the fetid dumpster fire of badness in season 2
Wasnt judkins fault, he was chosen to make this diaster. The amazon people looked at him and said yup this dude fits the narrative we want to push.
Also, sanderson loved perrin, he did justice to his character. The same cannot be said for Mat who died with Jordan.
Judkins is a snake and a liar. Absolving him of fault is just not possible. I agree tho that if it wasn’t him, it’d be another guy just like him (if you know what I mean), however I’ve seen a total of zero things to make me feel any sympathy for this person.
@@forsaken7976 yes I don't like him either I'm not absolving him of all responsibility but at the end of the day he has a boss, those people are ultimately the most responsible.
He's absolutely at fault. Right out of the gate he declared he wanted to put his own spin on it. When you're adapting someone else's works - you don't get to do that. You're supposed to commit to telling the original story. Second, he could have refused the job or quit if he was being pushed to make it something other than the story Jordan told. But see the first point. I don't think Judkins even read the entire series. In the few epsiodes I managed to get through, it felt like he read 1/2 of EotW and then maybe summaries of the others - if that. That he even allowed Egwene to be considered as the Dragon - shows he never even learned how the magic system worked. And then it got worse from there. So yes. Judkins hold FULL responsibility for the disaster of a show. It doesn't matter how many other people tried to alter things - he's the showrunner and has the right to say no. He took the job for a paycheck and clout. And it shows.
@@jeandiatasmith4512 my point is that this is from the same studio that produced rings of power. If Judkins didn't produce a piece of crap in form the sjw idealism someone else would have been hired to do it instead.
I think the thing that most annoys me about the WoT show is how so many creators whose opinions I trusted before the show just go along with it and pretend it's not an utter disaster. I mean maybe it's not as bad as Rings of Power, but I just have to wonder if it's simply due to their fears of being lumped in with the likes of Ryan Kinel and OverlordDVD and accused of disliking the show because of its "diversity" or "strong female viewpoints" or "hey look Siuan and Moiraine are lesbians SQUEEEEE!" and not because of the complete and utter bastardization of one of the greatest fantasy series of all time.
Men at work ftw
You got it! 😂 excellent
This show feels like it was produced by mtv. Like shannara chronicles.
At least the Shannara Chronicles had hot chicks. And a vaguely coherent narrative across it's seasons...
DEI disaster.
Was so disappointed we got this political garbage after waiting so many years.
Agreed. My Season 1 episodes reviews were focused on how overtly the show existed merely as a conduit for Amazon to insert every single globalist agenda/DEI/Maoist message into every single "scene". Neither season had a discernible plot or narrartive throughline, it was just lazy '...and then this happens (with forced messagig) for no reason' garbage.
I understood Mattrim and Perrin from the beginning of the series. They were easier to figure out than Rand was at the beginning. I hate that they changed Perrin's origin so much from the books. Robert Jordan would be so disappointed if he were atill alive today. I understand the mindset to make a series your own, however I disagree when you mess with someone else's work and change it dramatically from the actual story arc, especially post mortum.
i read all the books, started them in 91 or so, and i turned off the show after 2 episodes. complete garbage.
The topic and content of the video is pretty good, but I have some gripes
The editing is way too much. Cut the bullshit stuff and let Sanderson speak in total, then break it down. I didn't want the other showrunners' opinions, just Sanderson's. We know the Showrunners know nothing about telling a proper story, else they wouldn't have needed to buy WOT to ruin.
The context of the showrunners thoughts can be summarizes in a smaller section if it's really needed for those out of the loop.
Other than that, I appreciate the effort you did put in. You did a lot of editing, I won't disparage that. I just think you did too much. Memes are gold, just over done.
I'd like to see more of your stuff.
The show ages the characters up so they can get away with shoehorning in sex scenes and then has them all act far more immature than the books. It makes it come across as ridiculous.
Another example of a mediocre set of Hollywood staff thinking they can improve upon an original IP that has been well-loved for 30+ years.
And, yes, I'll rag on the writers. Yes, they tried really hard, I'm sure. That doesn't mean that they're good at their job. It doesn't mean that they're good writers. It doesn't mean they know how to write realistic sounding dialogue. It doesn't mean they know how to give characters realistic motivations.
And, honestly, I think a lot of the character decisions were made based on a fundamental lack of understanding of the characters in the books and a lack of interest in getting that understanding. I'm curious how many of the writers involved in this project had actually read the series in its entirety before joining the writing team.
Has this show been cancelled yet? The first season was so awful that by the time it got to the episode where Mat refused to step into the way gate with the rest of the group, I just laughed my ass off for about 15 minutes.
It was the funniest thing, watching Moiraine standing there with a group of "youths" all yelling at Mat to join them, and he sort of just nopes on out of there. End of episode.
That was when I realized that this adaptation was probably the most expensive practical joke ever.
On an unrelated note entirely, I am now Willie Nelson's new biggest fan.
First!
Happy Saturday- for the millionth time we have the obvious stated to us about this show by people very familiar with the source material. This time it’s the author that finished Jordan’s work
The Woke of Time show is absolutely terrible, which isn't a surprise because it's Amazon. If I had a dollar for every good show Amazon has I'd have 2 dollars (Terminal List and Reacher (and season 2 of Reacher wasn't as good as season 1)), which isn't a lot of money but it having happened twice means they can make good shows (just not fantasy shows, or sci-fi shows, or shows not set in modern day Americas).
I think they did pretty well with "The Tick". But yeah they mostly seem to ruin what they touch.
Perrin is NOT black. K thx bye.
Nor is Nynaeve.
And Egewene is not Asian. And neither is Min.
And Moraine isn't a lesbian- neither is Suian.
And Mat didn't come from a family of alcoholic degenerates.
And Thom wasn't some shady cyber-cowboy stand in.
None of them were.
They couldn't let Perrin remain white once they decided he would murder a nonexistent wife.
@@SaltyTravelingC all true, I couldn’t get past the second episode. What they did to WOT broke my heart
I read the first 8 books of WoT and will one day restart them so I can finish. It started magnificently but faltered as Jordan seemed to lose control of the narrative and plotlines. Still, the world he crafted was intricate and rich, with a compelling storyline and characters I loved.
When I saw the casting and first trailer of Amazon's abortion of the novels, I immediately discarded it. From what others have said, I know I made the right decision. I wish that Jordan was around today to guard his work but that was not to be.
This is hilarious because TWOT is trash and now the show is trash and everyone is like "wait, this is trash?" and pointing fingers.
'Sorry about Perrin in the show. It's not my fault, I tried. Oooh how I tried......eh!'
While you're at it Brandon; you mind apologising for Rand, Mat, Egwene, Nynaeve, Moirane, Lan, Siuan, Thom and Loial too?
Dude, all your video is doing is... Proving it is difficult to make a coherent video... (this is not a coherent video - you have far too many stupid memes throughout this for it to make any sense).
Perrin? PERRIN? The whole show is sh!t. What about Matt, Rand, Lan, Moraine, Thom, ALL THE CHARACTERS. This was a show kidnapped by someone that thought they had something to say and turned into something else. Sanderson seems like a sale out who got something for selling JORDAN'S work. NOT HIS WORK BUT SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK. Sanderson wasn't famous until he finished Jordan's work, or as famous as after at least.
your inserts are so freaking annoying they take away from the message
Dude, you are adding to many clips. I cant follow along with how disjointed this vid is.
Thanks for the feedback. This is not my standard format of video, rather a comparison of 2021 Sanderson comments to 2024 comments. I appreciate your view and comment
@@SaltyTravelingC :) you are correct. Your other vids are great. I updated comment.
It seems everyone is going to one sentnce,then a clip format.
People have some attention span