Made the big mistake of buying Bosch (most premium model) after leaving my amazing 12 year old Miele’s behind when we moved country. Bosch is not comparable to Miele machines. Lots of functions not available, no soak function, poor stain removal. The dryer does not reverse tumble so sheets crumple into a ball and dry unevenly. Hate them. Will be buying Miele when we move home again next year.
It’s also weird seeing all these people say they’ve had so many problems with Bosch in the states, maybe they aren’t built as well over there? But they’re known as being among the most reliable here in the UK, for good reason.
@@johnb8956 I think I read somewhere that Bosch appliances in the USA are not made Europe, don't remember if they are made in Mexico or in the USA. If that is true, that would explain these complaints
I got my Miele W1 washer and T1 dryer in January 2019 and they are an exceptional combo. Washer works great and my white t-shirts have never been whiter. The dryer is excellent and takes no more time to dry than the vented Whirlpool I replaced. There does appear to be a bug in the washer - probably a glitch in the motherboard. When I try to use the prewash function the washer will stop and say "water intake problem," although the intake is fine. I simply turned it off and restart a "normal" cycle and it's fine. Other than that little glitch, machine is solid (you really don't need prewash anyway). Also, if you use Express mode and set soil to "light," you have a 20 minute short wash cycle. Last, if you have dirty work rags or towels, use the Sanitize wash cycle. It's 3 hours and the water gets really hot but your towels come out nice and clean.
I purchased Bosch when moving into our new home in 2019. The purchase was for a Washing Machine, condenser dryer with heat pump, dishwasher and fridge/freezer. The fridge part of the fridge freezer kept freezing things so that had to be replaced after 18months, a lot of hassle and having to contact Bosch numerous times. The washing machine went wrong at three years old and even though it was just out of the standard warranty with about thirty phone calls to Bosch and a lot of hassle we got a new machine, but it took six weeks to arrive. I definitely would consider Miele over Bosch, Bosch apparently are better than cheap brands. However Miele is apparently top of the line, now I believe it would have been worth the extra money.
We spent £1600 ($2027). Hated it sold it 9 months later for £90 ($114) went to Blomberg ( made by Beko ) absolutely love it, on our 3rd Blomberg since the Miele, had the Miele 10 years ago. Nothing wrong with previous Blombergs just upgraded as new models and larger drum size came out
Bought Miele W1 and T1 in January 2020. Expensive for certain but high quality and a total of $500 with state and Miele rebates. Very happy consumer here!
Originally got a bosch washer found out after only 3 weeks you get what you pay for it locked up and we couldn’t open it returned it and then brought a wwr 870 Miele now this was a good machine but had issues after we got a replacement in the end a wwr 860 which is perfect it works amazing full touch screen 25 washing modes love the machine it removes stains so well.
I have Miele WCE320 1400 spin. When using the PowerWash function, this machine washes clothes exceptionally well - better results than my older Miele W3444 model. I also have the T1 Miele heat pump dryer - very economical to use.
Can you link me to the Miele you have? How many kg? I have an older honeycomb Miele front loader but I find it doesn’t fill up much water so I manually add water… I love the 30 min express wash. But I needed to buy a new Front loader
Just ordered a new Miele Twc560 wp heat pump dryer. Let's see how it performs. Bosch is good but I think Miele is better. If you don't have the extra cash, don't over think it and buy a Bosch. They are usually very close in reliability and performance.
Sorry but speaking from experience, Bosch is NOT in the same league as Miele. Maybe with features but not with a 35 year service life of Miele. You seem to be Bosch biased because its cheaper and easier to sell 🤦♂️
lets not pretend that Miele is all that perfect company. Have read comments on their services and products failure too for such big money. Bosch, however is not comparable in terms of price tag of Miele whilst being quite reliable. So, its understandable why Bosch would be his “biased”
@@boboiboy9350 I know of someone who had a Miele that broke down after about three or four years, and I’ve heard many stories of Bosch machines lasting decades, including my previous one.
Most likely Miele machines are great but their sales and customer support is scary horrible. You may want to think twice before engaging with them for 5 or 10 years. At this price point they are way too ignorant.
@@aammssaamm Maybe because the consumers whom normally buy Miele are so old that they don't know what the internet is and where to complain? 😁 I'm a big fan of Miele, but they're not free from issues either, especially their newer models. Our Miele T 8823 C dryer died at only 10 years old, while the BOSCH washing machine started having issues pumping out the water after 15 years of almost daily service. Older Miele's (with less electronics) needed their brushes replaced at ~25 years, but besides that they were practically indestructible.
weve had heat pumps in the UK since around 2007 (the first being Electrolux, followed very closely by Bosch) I've had them personally since 2011, and i will not go back. Heat pumps can be made bigger so Bosch and whirlpool could make a 'American' sized heat pump dryer to match their 'American' sized Front load washers. at the minute the Bosch and Miele's on sale here are just European imports.
Aaaaaaa, I found one to be incorrect, i.e. my WDB 030WCS W1 classic has a shortest cycle of 20 minutes, so only 5 minutes longer than Bosch. Thanks to your videos I have recently become a bit freak when it comes to Miele ;) Nevertheless, again again and again what a great review. I hope that you’re making record sale of washers during the lock down ;) All the best!
I don’t think you are a freak, I think you are a proud “Miele Believer” 👍🏻😂☺️ nothing wrong with that at all. If anyone thinks otherwise that’s their problem not yours. 👍🏻☺️
May I please ask you about the Bosch washing machines? I have heard the drum is only turning one way around, meaning that pants, sheets and so on, can look like a twisted rope when the clothes are taken out, while other brands, alternate between the two direction and thereby avoid "rope" clothes? :-)
Yes, there are units on the market that tumble in both directions but tangled clothes is usually more of an issue with a load more so than the machine. Mixing heavier things with lights can often lead to tangled clothes.
I appreciate very much your comparison. I have gradually replaced every kitchen appliance with a Bosch. Very happy with them. Now I need a new washer and dryer for my old bright red Samsung laundry set that lasted me 13 years! If I hadn’t started using too much detergent I may have gotten more years out of it. Anyway, what to buy now? I want 1) reliable that 2) cleans well. May I ask your recommendation?
Not sure if you are talking compact laundry or full size. If compact, every customer is a candidate for Miele. They make the best laundry, compact or otherwise on the market. If full size (since you have red Samsung's I think you might), the GE85 set is the best most feature rich full size laundry on the market. Just be sure the bigger dimension can fit in your space.
@Yale Applicance Is AEG a brand that's being sold over there in the US? Or is that maybe sold under a different name over there? It's part of the Electrolux Group, I think. Here in the EU Bosch and Miele are considered to be the top brands also. I am very pleased with your channel and the data it provides. Am I correct in remembering, from another video, you get about 40K service calls each year in total for all brands? Or are those 40K on-site calls? I'm wondering which brand has the best percentage when calls that need someone on-site are considered solely. I would guess that Bosch and Miele still end up close together but that assumption could be very wrong, of course.
AEG is not a brand sold here. Electrolux and Frigidaire are for sure. The service calls logged are in home visits. Both Miele and Bosch perform well in regards to service. LG is another brand who is performing very well on service.
made a mistake of buying a Bosch for my 2nd home. the thing washes just fine, and was inexpensive, but when it finishes it emits very loud, unpleasant beeps that continue for a longer while until one shuts down the machine or opens the door. there is no way to turn this 'feature' off. feels anti-user and hostile, the engineers must never have used their own products themselves. after that, no more Bosch anything for me. my 20 year old Miele laundry machine works just as quietly as it did when we bought it - it was a 1.5k top of the line option back then, and when the technician came to inspect it last year for residue detergents stuck in the hoses - they told us it has another 15 years of useful life in it. the Bosch is getting replaced with a Miele next week.
You should try out an LG... After one and half year without being able to turn off the horrible cute beep at the beginning and the let's call it..."very lovely tune" at the end, I was almost mad! Fortunately I finally found a way to turn it off. My mother has one of those Bosch and she actually loves that it beeps so loud because you can hear it any where in the house or have the machine in an outside laundry and still hear it.
I'm a big fan of Miele, but if you expect their newer appliances to live as long as their older ones, you'll be coming home from a rude awakening. They're still high quality, but their failure rate has gone up throughout the years. Also, you're probably comparing apples to oranges. Only on entry models without Wi-Fi you can't control the beeps. Those entry models are half the price of an entry Miele, so that isn't a fair comparison.
When it comes to reliability from My own experieces n am Not a WM repair man Mile wins hands down, my mate paidjust over £600 for his Miel in 1973, other than couple of times havingtoreplace leaking hoses Nothing Zero FA went wong with his WM but had it replaced when having a new kitchen installed as his wife hated it cause it looked so old also very quite when working n the spinning is so well balanced too, but I guess £600 in 1973 would be more like £3000 now days way out of my reach, I want to bye a good one even at my age cause when am gonemy grandsone will move in n i dot want the lad to have any problems the less to g wrtong the better for him n his misses
My W1 Miele is falling apart after less than 7 years... the tripod behind the drum is made of a very weak material. Miele's "last for decades" is no longer true.
Technology is much better I would go with a GE Or one of the other ones you’ll get the steam function for free and they have Wi-Fi no need to spend extra money on Bosch or Mila I have all ge in my apartments
I'd rather spend more and get a solid machine that does the basics right first. Wifi or other bells and whistles are usually nothing more than gimmicks.
The info from Yale doesn't mention a Miele W1 and dryer as T1. So I'm confused. Would really like to get a pair but don't know if the loads have to be much smaller. WHAT is the washer drum size and dryer drum size? Currently the house we moved into has a stackable Frgidaire. Don't think they make these anymore and clothes get snagged and come out wrinkled from dryer. My current washer is 3.5 and the dryer not sure but think it may be bigger. One review said they are a family of 5 and they love it. We are only 2 but I want to be able to wash blankets as well. Any thoughts?
The max load capacity for a Miele compact machines are about 18 lbs... so you won't be doing any super large heavy blankets/comforters. The capacity on these machines are anywhere between 2.0 and 2.3 cu ft.
The washers requires a Separate 120 Volt 15 amp electrical outlet. The dryer requires 120 Volt or a 4-Prong 208-240 Volt 30 amps electrical outlet with 220V electrical adapter. Always double check the manufacturer spec when purchasing. We did share a blog article about this too: blog.yaleappliance.com/electrical-requirements-for-best-compact-laundry
I disagree. My LG combo was expensive, and that was before the repair costs!! By the time the LG died, it had cost me twice the purchase price in repairs. The plastic parts did not hold up to the heat, wear, and tear. I will never consider LG anything anymore!
From personal experience after 13 years with 2 sets of LG washer & dryer combinations, LG quality has sadly gone downhill. Less expensive up-front to purchase but no-longer reliable.
Made the big mistake of buying Bosch (most premium model) after leaving my amazing 12 year old Miele’s behind when we moved country. Bosch is not comparable to Miele machines. Lots of functions not available, no soak function, poor stain removal. The dryer does not reverse tumble so sheets crumple into a ball and dry unevenly. Hate them. Will be buying Miele when we move home again next year.
Your comments were very helpful, thank you!
For an European this comparison is a little amusing.
Miele is a premium brand while Bosch is just a regular brand.
It depends. Bosch series 2 and 4 are definitely regular brand... 8 is absolutely premium.
6 is somewhere in between....
It’s also weird seeing all these people say they’ve had so many problems with Bosch in the states, maybe they aren’t built as well over there? But they’re known as being among the most reliable here in the UK, for good reason.
@@johnb8956 I think I read somewhere that Bosch appliances in the USA are not made Europe, don't remember if they are made in Mexico or in the USA.
If that is true, that would explain these complaints
We have Miele and we are on year 23, family of 5 and without a service call
I am concerned that the drums may be too small to handle a regular wash and dry. Have you experienced having to do extra wash loads and time?
Its about right what you said mate they are like comparing a Merc n a Scoda
I got my Miele W1 washer and T1 dryer in January 2019 and they are an exceptional combo. Washer works great and my white t-shirts have never been whiter. The dryer is excellent and takes no more time to dry than the vented Whirlpool I replaced. There does appear to be a bug in the washer - probably a glitch in the motherboard. When I try to use the prewash function the washer will stop and say "water intake problem," although the intake is fine. I simply turned it off and restart a "normal" cycle and it's fine. Other than that little glitch, machine is solid (you really don't need prewash anyway). Also, if you use Express mode and set soil to "light," you have a 20 minute short wash cycle. Last, if you have dirty work rags or towels, use the Sanitize wash cycle. It's 3 hours and the water gets really hot but your towels come out nice and clean.
I am looking at the Miele washer. Do you find it too small for large comforters?
I purchased Bosch when moving into our new home in 2019. The purchase was for a Washing Machine, condenser dryer with heat pump, dishwasher and fridge/freezer. The fridge part of the fridge freezer kept freezing things so that had to be replaced after 18months, a lot of hassle and having to contact Bosch numerous times. The washing machine went wrong at three years old and even though it was just out of the standard warranty with about thirty phone calls to Bosch and a lot of hassle we got a new machine, but it took six weeks to arrive.
I definitely would consider Miele over Bosch, Bosch apparently are better than cheap brands. However Miele is apparently top of the line, now I believe it would have been worth the extra money.
Miele customer service is not any better. I was in shock to be honest with the way they treat customers paying them so much money.
We spent £1600 ($2027). Hated it sold it 9 months later for £90 ($114) went to Blomberg ( made by Beko ) absolutely love it, on our 3rd Blomberg since the Miele, had the Miele 10 years ago. Nothing wrong with previous Blombergs just upgraded as new models and larger drum size came out
Bought Miele W1 and T1 in January 2020. Expensive for certain but high quality and a total of $500 with state and Miele rebates. Very happy consumer here!
Thanks for sharing!
Originally got a bosch washer found out after only 3 weeks you get what you pay for it locked up and we couldn’t open it returned it and then brought a wwr 870 Miele now this was a good machine but had issues after we got a replacement in the end a wwr 860 which is perfect it works amazing full touch screen 25 washing modes love the machine it removes stains so well.
I have Miele WCE320 1400 spin. When using the PowerWash function, this machine washes clothes exceptionally well - better results than my older Miele W3444 model.
I also have the T1 Miele heat pump dryer - very economical to use.
Thanks for sharing
Can you link me to the Miele you have? How many kg? I have an older honeycomb Miele front loader but I find it doesn’t fill up much water so I manually add water…
I love the 30 min express wash. But I needed to buy a new Front loader
Just ordered a new Miele Twc560 wp heat pump dryer. Let's see how it performs.
Bosch is good but I think Miele is better.
If you don't have the extra cash, don't over think it and buy a Bosch. They are usually very close in reliability and performance.
25 yrs miele. Still going ❤
Never had any problems with any of our 17 Miele appliances....👍🏻☺️
How long did you have it? My dishwasher is Miele and I love 💘 it!
They make great products!
Kia Ora from Aotearoa, I purchased my dishwasher in 2004 and it's still going strong.
Wow
For myself I'm going all the way with Miele
the pictures don't math the models. It's almost criminal. You showed the most basic miele washer when you talked about the most expensive one...
compact laundry... normal size in Europe
True.......
love the background music, just got a Miele w1 & t1 excellence
My Miele is 4 years and I love it so my vote is a Miele!
V-zug is the best by far.
The problem is its cost.
Lots of people never herd on this brand because of its cost.
...and the same goes for Gaggenau.
And what only very few people know - Bosch, Siemens...and Gaggenau all come from the same factory floor.
Sorry but speaking from experience, Bosch is NOT in the same league as Miele. Maybe with features but not with a 35 year service life of Miele. You seem to be Bosch biased because its cheaper and easier to sell 🤦♂️
They compete in different segments like you said, but it's very common for people to ask how they compare...
lets not pretend that Miele is all that perfect company. Have read comments on their services and products failure too for such big money. Bosch, however is not comparable in terms of price tag of Miele whilst being quite reliable. So, its understandable why Bosch would be his “biased”
@@boboiboy9350 I know of someone who had a Miele that broke down after about three or four years, and I’ve heard many stories of Bosch machines lasting decades, including my previous one.
Most likely Miele machines are great but their sales and customer support is scary horrible. You may want to think twice before engaging with them for 5 or 10 years. At this price point they are way too ignorant.
The new bosch dryer are amazing. For the washing machine, definitely miele.
@LauraLife us models?
There are a lot of complaints about a Bosch dryer. Nobody complains about Miele dryer.
@@aammssaamm Maybe because the consumers whom normally buy Miele are so old that they don't know what the internet is and where to complain? 😁 I'm a big fan of Miele, but they're not free from issues either, especially their newer models. Our Miele T 8823 C dryer died at only 10 years old, while the BOSCH washing machine started having issues pumping out the water after 15 years of almost daily service. Older Miele's (with less electronics) needed their brushes replaced at ~25 years, but besides that they were practically indestructible.
weve had heat pumps in the UK since around 2007 (the first being Electrolux, followed very closely by Bosch) I've had them personally since 2011, and i will not go back. Heat pumps can be made bigger so Bosch and whirlpool could make a 'American' sized heat pump dryer to match their 'American' sized Front load washers. at the minute the Bosch and Miele's on sale here are just European imports.
LG and Profile are larger
Aaaaaaa, I found one to be incorrect, i.e. my WDB 030WCS W1 classic has a shortest cycle of 20 minutes, so only 5 minutes longer than Bosch. Thanks to your videos I have recently become a bit freak when it comes to Miele ;) Nevertheless, again again and again what a great review. I hope that you’re making record sale of washers during the lock down ;) All the best!
Thank you!
I don’t think you are a freak, I think you are a proud “Miele Believer” 👍🏻😂☺️ nothing wrong with that at all. If anyone thinks otherwise that’s their problem not yours. 👍🏻☺️
Was probably comparing the standard cycles.
I would buy a Miele, but my Bosch still runs well. So i have no reason to replace it now.
My Miele has been down for months! Miele has been screwing me over big time!
Miele for life brah!
May I please ask you about the Bosch washing machines?
I have heard the drum is only turning one way around, meaning that pants, sheets and so on, can look like a twisted rope when the clothes are taken out, while other brands, alternate between the two direction and thereby avoid "rope" clothes? :-)
Yes, there are units on the market that tumble in both directions but tangled clothes is usually more of an issue with a load more so than the machine. Mixing heavier things with lights can often lead to tangled clothes.
@@YaleAppliance1 Thank you a lot for using your time to answering my question! :-)
I appreciate very much your comparison. I have gradually replaced every kitchen appliance with a Bosch. Very happy with them. Now I need a new washer and dryer for my old bright red Samsung laundry set that lasted me 13 years! If I hadn’t started using too much detergent I may have gotten more years out of it. Anyway, what to buy now? I want 1) reliable that 2) cleans well. May I ask your recommendation?
Not sure if you are talking compact laundry or full size. If compact, every customer is a candidate for Miele. They make the best laundry, compact or otherwise on the market. If full size (since you have red Samsung's I think you might), the GE85 set is the best most feature rich full size laundry on the market. Just be sure the bigger dimension can fit in your space.
@Yale Applicance Is AEG a brand that's being sold over there in the US? Or is that maybe sold under a different name over there? It's part of the Electrolux Group, I think. Here in the EU Bosch and Miele are considered to be the top brands also. I am very pleased with your channel and the data it provides. Am I correct in remembering, from another video, you get about 40K service calls each year in total for all brands? Or are those 40K on-site calls? I'm wondering which brand has the best percentage when calls that need someone on-site are considered solely. I would guess that Bosch and Miele still end up close together but that assumption could be very wrong, of course.
AEG is not a brand sold here. Electrolux and Frigidaire are for sure. The service calls logged are in home visits. Both Miele and Bosch perform well in regards to service. LG is another brand who is performing very well on service.
@@YaleAppliance1 Thank you very much.
made a mistake of buying a Bosch for my 2nd home. the thing washes just fine, and was inexpensive, but when it finishes it emits very loud, unpleasant beeps that continue for a longer while until one shuts down the machine or opens the door. there is no way to turn this 'feature' off. feels anti-user and hostile, the engineers must never have used their own products themselves. after that, no more Bosch anything for me. my 20 year old Miele laundry machine works just as quietly as it did when we bought it - it was a 1.5k top of the line option back then, and when the technician came to inspect it last year for residue detergents stuck in the hoses - they told us it has another 15 years of useful life in it. the Bosch is getting replaced with a Miele next week.
You should try out an LG... After one and half year without being able to turn off the horrible cute beep at the beginning and the let's call it..."very lovely tune" at the end, I was almost mad! Fortunately I finally found a way to turn it off.
My mother has one of those Bosch and she actually loves that it beeps so loud because you can hear it any where in the house or have the machine in an outside laundry and still hear it.
I'm a big fan of Miele, but if you expect their newer appliances to live as long as their older ones, you'll be coming home from a rude awakening. They're still high quality, but their failure rate has gone up throughout the years. Also, you're probably comparing apples to oranges. Only on entry models without Wi-Fi you can't control the beeps. Those entry models are half the price of an entry Miele, so that isn't a fair comparison.
When it comes to reliability from My own experieces n am Not a WM repair man Mile wins hands down, my mate paidjust over £600 for his Miel in 1973, other than couple of times havingtoreplace leaking hoses Nothing Zero FA went wong with his WM but had it replaced when having a new kitchen installed as his wife hated it cause it looked so old also very quite when working n the spinning is so well balanced too, but I guess £600 in 1973 would be more like £3000 now days way out of my reach, I want to bye a good one even at my age cause when am gonemy grandsone will move in n i dot want the lad to have any problems the less to g wrtong the better for him n his misses
Old Miele machines last because of better parts and mechanical dials. Miele now uses cheap electronics that cost a fortune if they need replacing.
My W1 Miele is falling apart after less than 7 years... the tripod behind the drum is made of a very weak material. Miele's "last for decades" is no longer true.
Technology is much better I would go with a GE Or one of the other ones you’ll get the steam function for free and they have Wi-Fi no need to spend extra money on Bosch or Mila I have all ge in my apartments
We get lots of questions about Bosch and Miele differences so wanted to offer our thoughts!
I'd rather spend more and get a solid machine that does the basics right first. Wifi or other bells and whistles are usually nothing more than gimmicks.
For washer and dryer, Miele and Bosch are not in the same league. Bosch is more like a Beko.
These two brands are often compared, so we're trying to explain when each may be a good fit depending on needs.
I’d say a more fair comparison to Miele would be asko. Bosch doesn’t come close
The info from Yale doesn't mention a Miele W1 and dryer as T1. So I'm confused. Would really like to get a pair but don't know if the loads have to be much smaller. WHAT is the washer drum size and dryer drum size?
Currently the house we moved into has a stackable Frgidaire. Don't think they make these anymore and clothes get snagged and come out wrinkled from dryer. My current washer is 3.5 and the dryer not sure but think it may be bigger.
One review said they are a family of 5 and they love it. We are only 2 but I want to be able to wash blankets as well.
Any thoughts?
The max load capacity for a Miele compact machines are about 18 lbs... so you won't be doing any super large heavy blankets/comforters. The capacity on these machines are anywhere between 2.0 and 2.3 cu ft.
So Miele plugs into a standard outlet? Does it need to be 20 amp or is 15 amp OK? Does it need to be dedicated circuit?
The washers requires a Separate 120 Volt 15 amp electrical outlet. The dryer requires 120 Volt or a 4-Prong 208-240 Volt 30 amps electrical outlet with 220V electrical adapter. Always double check the manufacturer spec when purchasing. We did share a blog article about this too: blog.yaleappliance.com/electrical-requirements-for-best-compact-laundry
@@YaleAppliance1 Strange, in Europe, all the maximum amperages on Miele washers, dryers and dishwashers are 10 amps.
Is that different in the USA?
Bosch is more reliable and then in the next breath Miele is !!
Washer is Bosch...Dryer is Miele, Sorry
Noisy background music was obnoxious.
Bosch is the worst ever.
LG is better than both
I disagree. My LG combo was expensive, and that was before the repair costs!! By the time the LG died, it had cost me twice the purchase price in repairs. The plastic parts did not hold up to the heat, wear, and tear. I will never consider LG anything anymore!
Haha obviously you have no idea😂 Miele maschine will still be running when we are both dead. LG is cheap short life crap
From personal experience after 13 years with 2 sets of LG washer & dryer combinations, LG quality has sadly gone downhill. Less expensive up-front to purchase but no-longer reliable.
LOL
LG is like dollar tree of machines 😂