Mixing Thunderous Guitars and Basses - Chris Lord-Alge (Muse, Green Day)
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2021
- Bring in the THUNDER! Chris Lord-Alge (Muse, Green Day) is anything but shy with his guitars and basses. EQ pushed to the limits, bass DI manipulations and so much more in this live masterclass.
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CLA is about to have everyone absolutely annihilate their guitars lol. These guitars are DARK af. The tracking engineers dial it in so well, you can pull off minimal moves like ONLY boosting top end to get a great sound.
Was literally thinking the same. Like it’s like trying to get advice from Lebron James on how he plays. Or Max Verstappen how he drives. You’re in such a different echelon of support, his advice is essentially useless haha
Love CLA but let´s not forget, these guitars were recorded perfectly, in a real world with mediocre recordings you´ll have to do more Eq´ing than adding highs..
CLA is really a master... but I would love to see him mix a bad source material.. some project studio with bad tempo drummer and bad rooms and amps... not saying he can't, he most certainly is great at it as well.. but that is when you need to do some crazy hard magic to make the mix sound vastly different to go from bad to good.
That would make it easier for me to relate ways of working.
if they were recorded perfectly, he wouldn't have to do anything...
@@HIGHHOPES That was not my point at all..
My point was that there is a need for a different approach with much worse source material.
It would therefore to me be interesting to see CLA mix in such a scenario.
I mean the DI with audio interface nowadays is more than enough to reamp it through real amp or amp sim that's the good things.
The inst input isn't on audio interface isn't like 2005 or else where you need di box to make it sound properly.
Exactly, and that's why we should always focus on recording everything the best way possible. Fixing things in the mix is pointless, because it will never sound like it would have if recorded well. Getting CLA's or any other legendary mixer's sound is just not doable with mediocre material...
That even sounded good on my laptop speakers. Impressive.
I was literally thinking the same thing.
Probably why he gets hired a lot. Guy could make any song he mixes sound good on nearly every device available.
Thanks for posting all these mix lessons with CLA - so helpful, I love his philosophy!
Thank you Chris for dropping all these GEMS 💎
Lord of the mix,purely genius 🙌
I learned this one the hard way. Early on, I messed with bass EQ *way too much* and it was just a disaster. Bass usually doesn’t like notched EQ unless you’re trying to correct a note that keeps poking out, etc. Learning how to build your low end foundation is a huge rite of passage in the realm of audio engineering. There should be a cabal of robed mix engineers with backwards baseball hats who present you with an ancient staff after you complete your first ten tracks with “acceptable” low end.
For bass my method is add compression.
For EQ I use only low pass filter and high pass on bass.
Then ill add tape saturation and its done.
If you Spend the time up front shaping the tone with the basses tone and volume controls and you have a great pre you don't have shit to do in post.
Same for guitars. I di only. I wish mine sounded like Chris but I don't have a million dollar studio and vintage amps I can crank to 10 in a amp room...
That trick of boosting 8K 15db sounds like ass on my rig 😂
If the guitars are recorded well, SSL can do no wrong 😆👌CLA all the way!
I always duplicate a bass DI, isolate that lows on one with EQ, the high end on the other, add a SansAmp to the high track then blend them.
Works a charm.
These are simply amazing tips. After eqing and compressing DI or Amp they will never be in phase anymore and goodbye clarity on the low end. From now on I'm only using one of them, or, using one for the lows and the other for the mids, highs. Thank you CLA and Waves!
Or when ever you bring 2 sources together always process em globally. Got a few mics on a guitar cab? Send em to a bus and do your fader blend then just Process the bus instead of individual mics. Less dsp, less phase problems, more visually calming when you look at session etc
@@snapascrew nice!
This man is purely knowledgeable , because there is no perfect recording of any instrument. The trick is,the sound that you create
I love that guitar sound!!!
Yeah hes leaving a few things out... A huge sound like that us alot more than an 8k EQ boost haha
Thank you sir, you just saved my mix.
@chrislord man live your plug-ins your awesome dude
It'd be great to be a lacky for a day with CLA 😋
Gotta say he's right most of the time I grab a bass DI and use parallax on it and it sounds amazing
well thats a bit different. Parallax has built in IR's. What CLA was talking about was just saturating and compressing the DI signal. Parallax is essentially an amp sim.
Well it's not like we should bump +15 at 8k EVERY session that falls into our hands.
He's just addressing a pretty darn dark guitar.
Some of his mixes are lovely, pragmatic, simple and effective. Some others are eeehhhhh you know.
if you listen to his mix of stone temple pilots and then listen to deftones it's like a completely different thing
@@joshuajosiahcolumbus Right!? the man knows his craft! What's even more peculiar is that you can like identify his "sound" on say, a song you know nothing about x))
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Sometimes I wonder if CLA has lost his ability to hear high end and that's why he cranking 8k all the time.
No, he knows perfectly how to eq instruments in ordre to make everything sits in its place. His approach is to think of EQ as a treble knob and a bass knob. If your bass and your kick drum have really solid low-end (like in a CLA's mix), you can add 15db at 8k on your guitars and it won't sounds harsh at all. I will sound in the perfect spot. Not doing it would result in muddy and dull guitars.
100% that dude is going deaf
He admitted he was losing his highs in another video when talking about why his tambourines are usually too loud/bright.
@@ilikemyrealname ...but he's still the best mixing engineer ever out there !
@@PereRevert Friend, MANY incredible mixing engineers have hearing loss. It’s what you do with what you have that makes you who you are.
How do you add +15 at 8K and it not sound like crap?? Sounds so good.
Compressing the boosted 8k afterwards to smooth it out. you want the compressor working hard on the 8k boost and just touching the rest of the frequencies
ssl
Get a good recording
if you need 15db of 8k then the recording is not that good LMAO @@pedrosilvamusician
i mean... certainly the guitars have been filtered, EQ'd, and made pleasant before he even gets them. big name mixers don't get flat terrible tracks that need work. they get tracks that sound half-mixed when they open them.
80% from the tracks I get, has to be overdubbed, or totally start over. And we are probably to low on the ladder to say, f*ck off with this crap, true?
Exactly. With my mixes I find myself scooping 500Hz from guitars all the time, only to get them to not sound like mud. Of course I'm just a beginner, so my raw tracks arent that great either.
That's why a lot of people record with eq on the way in. Get to the final sound faster
Will Chris be willing to do a video on gain staging
CLA -Mixing Engineer & Philosopher
Venturous to turn up the treble like that! (Gonna be a bit more reckless about it in the future too then hehe)
Is there a way we can hear this great rock song by Tempt?
Still not released AFAIK :( I´m searching for it regularly...
yeah man now show me what to do with a death metal band recording in a garage
Good advice for those like me losing their mind fucking around with bass phase on shit speakers and headphones that can’t reproduce almost any of it.
Sadly this is another pro teaching video where not much is teached, or just told to get a minimalistic approach. That is easy when you have raw tracks that already sound like from a mainstream mixed record. There's no chance in hell an amp sounds like that raw when miced. Those tracks were treated a lot before CLA got them.
On the contrary, if the tone doesn’t sound as good as this straight out of the mic (or modeler) there is room to improve on the recording side of things.
@@willlamb6116 but that's what you get when you aren't one of the big cats.
guys with a day job and some money to have a mix, but with poor project studio recordings.
I used to trim (high-pass) everything. Now I don't (unless it really needs it).
Such a pity that great producers never know how to explain what they do in easy terms
CLEight K
3 rules according to Chris, Record bass Di and use sansamp & 1176, no Eq just getting the tone on the amp. Record electric guitar through an amp get the tone your after then just use an limiter to even peaks and add as much 8K shelf as you wish in the track.
The song sounds similar to Oasis-columbia
The trick is, get a ssl and crank it up till everything flashes red, and then get the tone, 8Khz in this mix :))
Who create "add 100hz for bass" tutorial !!!
Can't use WAVES anymore..
Subscription only is a slap in the face to those who have been purchasing mercury, and all the bundles for 20 years now
Paying the update plan to move to be compatible with new OS..
We should be able to keep our licenses and and not be FORCED into subscription? ???
Honestly I regularly doubt this guy.. Yes, he is one of the biggest in the world, but how can we trust listening to a guy that goes against almost every other producer in the world? Producers like Nolly Getgood & Dan Lancaster whose mixes sounds much better IMO are very thought out and precise. Yet here's CLA with a very "Fuck it, why not" mixing, which seems like he's just winging his way to a great mix?!
What do i know though, i cant get a great mix winging or thinking!
I feel you. I have been watching a lot of his videos and masterclasses and of course he knows what he's doing, hands down. The overall impression I get is the following: as he mixes OTB with his desk and outboard gears he simply found the right formula (presets) that works with all the jobs he takes and tweak just a bit depending on the production. I may be wrong, but that's what they have been showing so far and this is what I perceived. Also, most of the guys who comment on here pay very little attention on how the original source is recorded which is 90% of the whole production.
I would love to see a video of him mixing an amateur band with shitty raw tracks.
I'm pretty sure he can though!
This is how the iron is sharpened, we all start doing forensic work then climb our way up.
He's got to that point where he only gets the best of the best.
I've got to mix some great recordings, but sometimes they're so good that you don't even feel like you did anything.
It feels less rewarding. I do enjoy the challenge of a shitty recording.
first
am I the only one who hates cla mixes?
Everyone doing this. WHY? Everyone saying that. WHY?
CLA has no time for your philosophies! Just dial equal numbers man.
CLA is way out in left field on this one. I mean whatever works for him. Im trying to alway CUT 8k. Fuck 8K man i hate that sound on a heavily distorted guitar. hahahhahaa. By the time your song if compressed as fuck, theres gonna be a load more top end coming through anyways. But hey, hes got the Grammys, not me. I Digress.
Once you get a grammy you can hate 8k. In the meantime, BOOST OR CRINGE
@@tokenofdevotion Yup lol
Ummmm, that's not how any of this works.