Cultish: Answering Claims Of Hebrew Roots, Part 2
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Join us as we continue our conversation with Andrew and Nikki Schumacher who have in-depth knowledge of the diverse world of Hebrew Roots theology.
What do Hebrew Roots followers believe & how are we to respond to their claims?
How can we have an answer for the many claims of the Hebrew Roots movement?
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And the dragon (Satan) and most Sunday Christians were enraged with the woman and who keep the commandments of YAH and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah. Revelation 12:17
Follow the behavior of the father and his son. That's all. Torah = instructions.
Do you stone your disobedient children? If you gather sticks for your fire on the "sabbath," should you be stoned as well?
@@kimmykimko Are you intimating that God was wrong to command that the one who did so during the Exodus was wrong? Where is your authority to judge God?
@@kimmykimko The Torah is addressed to the Children of Israel. It relates their part in the Covenant. Noone who is not part of the Covenant needs to do the stoning or anything else that the Children of Israel agreed to do. One can join the Covenant, but if he/she does so, they are to keep the Commandments. The Children of Israel, who were a small group at the time, were told that the penalties were instituted to remove evil from the land. If evil was permitted in the land, it would be up to God to impose His Punishment, which he did when He destroyed the Temple twice.
Once again, it was a pleasure to record this with you guys. Wish we had more time.
. Sunday Lawless Matt 7:21-23 Christians say the sacred name Jesus that didn't exist till the 1600s is the ONLY name one can be saved.
Really? You know that's nonsense. Only English speakers use the variant "Jesus". Most people know this, and know other people in other countries have different variations. I have never met a person claiming that you have to have the correct pronunciation of the name of the Son of God, with he exception of Sacred Name Hebrew Rooters.
Andrew, I think it would be so beneficial to some (like me) for you to have a video discussion around the law for Christians with Jeff so that we're able to more distinctly see categories, and so that someone trying to differentiate between Hebrew Roots and a theonomist (at least the type Jeff is) is better able to see what each side is saying, and not saying. Hope that makes sense, and if you've already had a discussion like this, I'd love if you could shoot a link. I'm still learning and listening, and I hear things on both sides (theonomy and what you'd consider your position to be) that have credence, at least in my mind, so far. Thank y'all for these videos and all you do!
@@mattomlinson8759 I would jump at the chance to talk to Jeff about this stuff. Love his perspective, and he has helped me better appreciate the Law of God, but I think I could help him to solidify foundations for why things like kosher laws look different, from the text. It would be awesome, but I think Jeff is pretty busy with what God has on his plate and the finer points of the Torah is probably not urgent enough for his ministry to take that side road. Maybe someday.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom - Thank you for your reply, brother! And I 'preciate your humility. Interesting - I haven't heard/read him say anything that would infer he thinks the kosher laws apply or are obligatory or binding (that may not be what you're saying), even tho' I know he's quoted guys like Rushdoony (who goest that far) before - but I hear him referring to others more. But of course, you're right - they are busy, as are you, I'm sure. Jeremiah, make it happen, bro'! LOL!
I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and will give to your offspring all these lands. And in your offspring all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
Genesis 26:4-5 ESV
I think they intentionally left this out.
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." - Galatians 3:16 KJV
I think you left that one out.
@@John3.36 Who left it out?.
The main issue I’ve seen is not whether or not to follow the Torah… the main problem I’ve seen in the people I know following this movement is the Salvation portion. Most that I know know say, faith is the beginning… but it’s not enough to save you, you must have the fruit/works with it. I show them the MANY MANY verse to which it’s clear “Salvation is from The Lord”, “The Law CANNOT save you”, “Faith alone, by Gods grace Alone” etc… and they just cannot except that it is a “GIFT of God” … you don’t pay for a gift … it’s free.
Most I've seen say you're saved by faith in Christ, but you're damned if you don't keep the law because that's what faith in Christ is.
Hm. I’ve never considered myself “Hebrew roots” (never heard that phrase before this series tbh), but I feel like this conversation is a little off.
I don’t doubt that there are people who say that if you don’t keep the Levitical feasts and laws, then you can’t be saved, HOWEVER (and this is a very huge however) none of the people who I’ve met who espouse the view that we should be doing those things say or even think that they are doing so to obtain salvation. They are doing them to honor Christ, BECAUSE of their faith in Him, and their thankfulness for their salvation through Him, and their love for Him.
This podcast comes across as very judge mental. Given, I’ve never been party to one of the fb groups, they mentioned and social media always has a tendency to turn vile, so I absolutely believe there are people who would put each other down for not being perfect it that area, but I don’t think you can subsequently lump in everyone who, in their devotion, finds themselves convicted to celebrate the Biblical holy days and to tell others about them.
I’ve never heard the Ishtar thing. When I was growing up it was linked to the pagan Scandinavian goddess “oestra” who is also a fertility figure.
Anyway, Love y’all, but I’m shaking my head a bit on this one.
Right. It is easy for people to pick and choose which commandments they want to keep, but Christ said if you love him keep His commandments. If one loves the Father and wants to honor His name, then do as Christ, the Word said. Christ also said he did not come to abolish the law or Torah but to establishfulfil it. He goes on in matthew 5 to say "whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Those are strong words. It blows my mind to think that people just wrote off the commandments and feasts that even Christ established and kept. Christ called himself Lord of the sabbath yet people write that off also. It is simple really if people love the Father in Christ they will harken unto His Word because they love Him and will walk in His ways. It really is about love and faith. Time for people to walk the talk. Talk is cheap.
I was raised to keep the laws (which is not "impossible" as was suggested in the discussion other than those that rely on the existence of the Temple) not because it was necessary for salvation (or a work that improves my chances of salvation), but as an act of devotion to God. God deserves that devotion and worship even if the burden does not lead to my personal salvation or benefit me. I go to church and sing songs praising God also not because that is necessary for my salvation and not because it makes it more likely I will be saved, but because God more than deserves it.
It is true that 119 ministries is the go to for probably most of those in the Hebrew roots. If its not about salvation, then why does 119 ministries insist it is? Also, Triumph in Truth is also a popular go to for those in the Torah observant community and they also teach salvation through Torah observance.
This is a direct quote from a video 119 ministries put out- from 119 ministries video called "What is the gospel":
"salvation is by faithfulness (obedience to the commandments) and life is obtained by obedient fidelity to the Lord. Life is forfeited through disobedience to the commandments which is unfaithfullness to the Lord"
(pointing out again that this quote is from their teaching "what is the gospel" - so this is how 119 Ministries defines the gospel)
Triumph in Truth also teaches salvation by Torah observance.
Triumph in Truths video "without set apartness no one will see Yah" these claims are clearly spelled out:
1) unless you are obedient to Torah laws, you are not set apart and if you are not set apart you will never meet the Master.
2) If you participate in traditions of men, or observe the holidays, you are not saved.
3) If you are not in full obedience to the dietary laws, you are not saved.
4) That Christians who do not observe Torah laws are lukewarm and that will make God nauseated and He will spit us out of His mouth.
5) that Babylon is not just the world but includes all the non torah following churches. The implication of Babylons fate in scriptures is damnation.
and even in this comment section we have this declaration by someone in the Torah observant community:
HalaluYAH
HalaluYAH
1 day ago
Keep the Commandments of God along with your faith in His Son Jesus Christ if you wish to make it to the Kingdom of Heaven.
@@angelcollector22 Not sure whose quote the quote is that you reference but we are saved by grace through faith not by faith that is what ephesians 2 says. Also hebrews 11 defines faith, it is moving or harkening to the Word. You will know of you are saved if you are growing in faith and accepting the promises. It is a marriage covenant that has to be received and kept. When Paul in epehsians 2 said not saved by works, he was using that as a reference for quantities. Christ also emphasizes this in mathew 20 with the parable of the vineyard. It is acting on the promises. We have to be doing what he says. Hebrews 6 states the following: 11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
What is even more concerning are the vesrses above: 7For land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is tended receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless, and its curse is imminent. In the end it will be burned.
“So my advice is, leave these men alone. Let them go. If they are planning and doing these things merely on their own, it will soon be overthrown. But if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God!”
I see that verse thrown around, but it doesn't work. Gamaliel spoke a word applicable in that instance, but if you apply it as a litmus test for modern religious ideas, then you have to accept any religious sect that pops up that doesn't rapidly pass away. Approached in this way, one would have to accept Islam, Mormonism, and the list goes on. Just because a religion sticks around doesn't make it true. Weird use of scripture.
@@jimbus4096 Yeshua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever. modern religious ideas? No thanks!
@@larrylangley1321 God is the same. That in no way means his commands/instructions are the same for every person. If that was the case… we would all be commanded to build an arc… or go to the next village and “leave none alive”… or sacrifice our first born … They are many commands that were not meant for everyone…. not sure why that’s so hard to understand…?
@@RandomBoxingGuythank you!!
Having formerly been married to a woman who was active in Hebrew Roots before becoming part of Black Hebrew Israelites - I can attest that all these points about what they teach and believe are accurate. Of course there are gradations, some very good and moderate people within Hebrew Roots - but far too many extremes and thats what has led her to now adopting an even further element of embracing the black hebrew variation. The concept behind the belief itself at the core only leads to more extreme legalism by necessity.
You read my mind. I had dealing with Hebrew Israelites aka "Black Hebrew Israelites" on line and in person. They have alot of the same talking points when it comes to the law of Moses
I am so sorry your wife or ex wife? has gone of the deep end. It is my experience with mainstream Christianity and all of it's flavors that my views on certain issues is what establishes the validity of my 'faith'. If I am asked, "Do you believe that Jesus is your Savior and that He died for your sins?" and I answer in the affirmative, then I am a Christian. My answer to other issues are what confirm my 'walk' with Christ. "Do you believe in 'the' pretribulation rapture?" "Are you baptized in the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in tongues?" "Do you believe in the Trinity?" And finally the grandest affirmation of my walk with the Lord, "Do you believe you can lose your salvation?" To some denominations my view of the rapture is evidence of my walk with the 'Christ. To others it is my view of the trinity. The answers to these questions are the 'fruit' of my Christian life. My desire to obey the commandments of the 'Lord' I profess is considered irrelevent. Morality as determined by the one who created us is relegated to the Jews. As a matter of fact, in Christian thinking, the more I desire to obey God, the less I am relying on faith. Why the great determiner of my faith is not whether I 'take up the cross' and follow the Messiah, but rather my response to questions 'about' the Messiah.
@@linak7155 Thank you, yes unfortunately now my ex wife do a lot to our being unequally yoked. Yes, the ultimate question to whether or not you're a Christian is - do you believe in Jesus as your messiah, his death and resurrection, and ultimate return? The rest, pre-post trib, calvinist/armenian, trinitarian...etc,etc - aren't indicators of your salvation. The problem I have with much of Hebrew Roots is that they equate the keeping of kosher, shabbats, and feasts as equivalent to the keeping of the moral laws - the moral law is what Christ has written on our hearts and are what indicate our attitude of salvation in Christ (Mark 7:19) - keeping a certain diet and taking a certain day off work mean nothing. But then for my personal story, it became even further removed when she stepped into the Black Hebrew belief which says that African Americans are the true Hebrews and the lost tribe of Judah - the bible is "their" book and they must keep the commands to be restored in "their" promised land. These beliefs are compounding and start with the idea that we are all burdened to the old covenant and the bible is about and only for a specific people.
The fact that ur wife was swept up by Black Hebrew Israelite theology may indicate she was not well grounded in the faith. Many of the BHI groups prey on ignorance n are motivated by racial superiority. Everything is looked through the prism of skin color.
There is no place in Scripture that uses the terms moral or ceremonial to ➗ up the commands of our Creator* These are intrepretive words, drawn from presuppositions n biases. We ALL have them. There are really two kinds of people in the world. Those who admit they interpret Scripture through presupposition n those who try to convince the masses that they have none and are always looking at Scripture with an objective lens. There is only ONE who sees things without bias. The terms ceremonial n moral are sourced from the evidence they choose to present. Since the Scriptures make no mention of these two groups of laws, their conclusion must be based on inference, whether clear, muddy or contrived. However, *the Word of God does mention commands, laws, ordinances, statutes n precepts* I choose to define these words concretely and then to search them from Genesis to Revelation.
Here are a few examples
Gen 26:5 "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
Exo 20:6 "And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My commandments."
John) 14:15 "If ye love Me, keep My commandments."
Commandments begin in the Beginning. A good place to bring them considering that YHVH loves the whole world. Notice that Abraham obeyed the commands of God as well, long before Mt. Sinai. Adam chose NOT to obey them n ends up being the founding father of disobedience n its results.
There are really three kinds of people in the world. Those who disobey God's commands because they do not acknowledge His existence, those who disobey Him and do it in His name, and those who claim His name and obey Him. Which one are you? When reading the Scriptures, it becomes evident that no matter what "dispensation" you happen to be cruisin' through, disobedience is rampant, and so is chaos and moral decay. This is not only true today, but it seems to have reached its pinnacle.
Thought provoking and so true!
Amen... seen you on either T.N.T. or Jacobs tent.
Amen sister
EVERYONE disobeys Gods commands. As The Word says … “NONE are good but God” and “ALL fall short” … and “no man’s heart seeks God”
So you do not disobey? You do not sin?
1 John 5:3 ESV
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." - 1 John 3:23 KJV
Nothing about law keeping there.
@@John3.36 where do you think those two commandments came from to begin with?
@@John3.36 so it's okay to have sex before marriage? To live a gay life style, beasteality? Have many wives? Where do we learn about these things? And what is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law
@@sum5clynn470 "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Do you keep all of the laws?
@@John3.36 and let's put this in context. Who wrote Galatations? Saul and who WAS Saul? He was a Pharisee a very very very strict Pharisee. He followed the law to a T but he had no love, no fruit of the spirit. He was the prime example of a legalist. "Follow the law to be saved" yet he and others were completely void of love. The Old testament says over and over that circumcision of the heart must come first. Saul is speaking to legalistic Pharisees (or who use to be) and he's trying to get them to understand that faith and love (circumcision of the heart, dealing with the soul) cones before circumcision of the flesh). The Pharisee believed that you needed to jump right in and do the fleshly things (follow Torah) but that comes AFTER a true heart change. As who had SOON as someone converted they wanted to do a circumcision and Sual is saying...hold on, let's make sure he has had a heart change and Loves God. Instead of jumping into everything in Acts 15:18 (new testament 😉) they gave converts who were usually coming from a very evil pagan background, 4 laws to follow immediately and those were:
1. Abstain from food offered to Idols
2. Don't eat blood
3. Eat no animal that has been strangled (because than it's in its own blood)
4. Abstain from sexual immorality. The Pharisees said, if these men are not circumcised they are not saved and Saul is telling them they have it backwards.
No where in the Bible does it say the Torah (God's instructions) was nailed to the cross.
It was OUR sin and what is sin? Sin is transgression of the law. What does transgression mean? It means the breaking of the law.
1 John 4:10 ...propopisition for OUR sins. Propopisition means, offered up. He was offered up for OUR SINS not for the Torah.
Isiah 53:10-12
...wounded for OUR transgressions Crushed for OUR iniquities. His chastiment brought us peace.
Iniquities is the act of sin and again, what is sin?
Colossians 2:14
...by canceling the record of debt that stood against us. What was the "debt" that stood against us? Was the Torah (God's instructions and Doctrine) the record of our debt or was the record of our debt the price we had to pay for not keeping the Torah? The price was usually death for sinning and breaking the Torah. It doesn't say the Torah was done away with but our debt of the Torah was done away with. Christ died so didn't have too.
Romans 4:25
Who was delivered up for OUR trespasses. Trespasses is not the Torah but sin.
Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the law.
What was the curse? It doesn't say following the Torah was curse. The consequence of breaking the Torah and being stoned to death was the curse. Christ died so we don't have to die for our sins any longer. And we are now under His grace for not being able to keep the Torah perfectly. So if we mess up instead of being stoned to death we are given grace. It never says to stop trying and working towards keeping God's instructions.
And yes, we should all follow the Torah. There's 600 some laws but not all apply to one person. So there is roughly 200 laws to follow and once you learn them, you'll be asking yourself why people say they are a bandage. They are not a bandage. The debt for not following them, that was the bandage.
Y’all need to debate pronomian Christians like David Wilbur.
You guys made many hypothetical and broad claims of certain scenarios that may or may not be true to pronomian Christians.
I would recommend Tim Hegg, Caleb Hegg, or Dr. Igal German instead.
I'm up for it.
@@DavidWilberBlog Shabbat Shalom and blessings David. You would have to give these guys time to get a true grasp on what the Bible really teaches and what we as pronominal followers of Messiah Yeshua actually believe. You may be waiting a long time. Every blessing Brother. David (UK)
Check out Corner Fringe Ministries
Pronomian just means Judiazer.
Excellent point on women's ministry. This is not a throwaway ministry. Raising concerns about dangerous curriculum and ideas met with a pat on the head and dismissal. I am convinced of the insidious plan of the enemy. This is how the Roots movement is influencing our ladies, attracted by a "new" study focused on the special knowledge and experience gained by studying the superior ways of the biblical Eastern culture. Thank you for this conversation!
Have you done a podcast on Freemasons?
In Mark 7 do you really believe that Jesus was telling the Jewish audience of that time they could eat pork or was He speaking about the traditions of men about eating food with unwashed hands? We can't change the context of the passage to fit a narrative. Nobody in that audience would have taken it as they could now eat bacon. This is evident in Peter's vision he was taken back by the vision.
Also you could present a goat at Passover.
Unfortunately they don't realize that they just claimed that Jesus sinned.
I find it funny that people also always bring up peters vision to say it's talking about food, but then they get mad at others for taking things out of context!! God gives peter the exact interpretation of that vision and it has nothing to do with food it's about the gentiles.
@@charitybrook6279and why are the Gentiles now considered clean?
@@According_To_Matt because God called them clean.
Keep the Commandments of God along with your faith in His Son Jesus Christ if you wish to make it to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19, Luke 16:17, John 14:15,21 , Matthew 19:16-19, Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:36, Matthew 13:41, Romans 2:13, Hebrews 4:9-13, James 1:22-25, James 2:14-26, 1 John 2:3-7, 1 John 3:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, 1 John 2:17, Revelation 22:12-14
No, that’s faith+works.
@@therockstar17 Faith without works of obedience is dead. Read the scriptures.
@@seekthetruth277 - the difference is those who believe they can get to heaven by their works - which is legalism and self righteousness.
@@seekthetruth277 Then why does other scripture say not of works lest any man should boast? It’s because faith without works is dead means you can tell someone’s faith isn’t genuine if they continue in unrepentant sin without remorse, that’s why James asks can such *faith* save them, because it’s real faith that saves, not dead faith. Works show real faith but it’s not the works that saves you. You need to take the whole counsel of God instead of reading the Bible with binoculars. Interpreting the Bible the way you do causes contradictions. We know “faith without works is dead” doesn’t mean your works save you in light of other scripture, eg when Paul tells us if we rely on our works to be saved we have fallen from grace and the many times we are told the Torah can’t save, so it’s not the Torah we need to be doing.
@@nomorewar4189 let me repeat it again for you, not faith alone, not works alone. Faith + works, they go together. The Law of God is still very valid by the words of the Messiah himself. And we love him by keeping his Commandments.
Paul was inline with Jesus . Jesus rebuked the Pharisee as did Paul. Paul taught Passover 1cor 5:8 , Eph 2:8 we are saved by grace through faith. He told us to establish/fulfil the law through faith , Rom 3:31. Through faith , Rom 2:13 we are Justified by doing the law. Just as Jesus told us Mat 23:2-3.
Mark 7:17-18 it's not about what you can eat now, Jesus is talking about ritual washing hands that the Pharisees added to His law.
Don't take the VERSE OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU ARE ADDING TO THE WORDS OF GOD THAT CONTRADICT HIMSELF. AS WELL AS YOU ARE TAKING AWAY FROM HIS WORDS THAT YOU MAKING GOD A LIAR..
Keeping the law is the fruit of Salvation.
Calvinism in a nutshell.
What law? Did Jesus say "they will know you are my disciples by your following Torah?" Or did he say his disciples will be known by your Love for each other? What is this Love talked about?
Christ said if you love Him then keep the commandments. If you love the Father you will harken unto the Word. It really is that simple. In matthew 5 Christ says those who teach others to not do commandments will be lesser in the kingdom and those who teach other to do the commandments will be greater. If you preach a different gospel than that of Christ, then you error. Christ came to be the law, the very fullness of it and taught His deciples to do the same. He also called himself Lord of the sabbath. What did Paul say about the law or Torah in romans 3? “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
Amen my friend.
Let me know what you think of this.
God gave us the tanakh (old testament) and the Jews at the time created an oral commentary (Talmud) on it and created their own ideas which Jesus then rebuked. So Jesus then in His graciousness gave us a Holy Spirit inspired commentary on the Tanakh. This is what we call the new testament.
The new covenant is not doing away with the law... It's the bringing in of the gentiles.
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." - 1 John 3:23 KJV
Yep, here are his commandments. Nothing about the law of moses.
@@John3.36 you are quoting a verse which is quoting another verse, spoken by Jesus Himself. Which does indeed include the Law and the Prophets. So please reconsider this matter... All of the Law and the Prophets hang off of the greatest two commandments meaning they are attached!
The Law and the Prophets teach us how to love God and love neighbor according to God's standard and not our own sinful standards.
Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@@charitybrook6279 yes, look up 'blue letter bible progressive revelation' it will help a lot
Key word BECAUSE... Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; BECAUSE that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. I BEG YOU GUYS PLEASE READ YOU BIBLE before trying to teach others.
As a pronominal Christian, I believe God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His word does not change and is profitable to righteousness. I really believe when Jesus came He essentially doubled down on the law, making it not just physical laws for works but a spiritual law for the heart as well. Think about the sermon on the mount. He never disagreed or changed Torah. He EXPANDED on it. He was a perfect example of how to follow the law. Can we ever do it perfectly. No, of course not. But the harder I try to keep His laws the closer it draws me to Him, the more I learn about Christ’s sacrifice, the more I see how much of a sinner I am and how much I need His salvation.
This comes from a misunderstanding of the Law and the ultimate plan God has for humanity. Romans is a great place to start then Hebrews and all the rest. No true believer wants to sin, but sin isn't about the OT law as the OT people, even the most lawful folks, the Pharisees, understood it. Hebrews actually states emphatically that the law is changed by the changing of the Priesthood.
As a postmill Presbyterian and a great admirer of the work Apologia does, I have to take issue with the 1 Timothy comments. Modern evangelical read this passage waaaay too thinly. Paul is making cosmic level arguments here, just like 1 Cor 11, getting down to the nature of man. And we (yes, even “based” theonomists) go all R2K on the interpretation.
The reformers would have no problem saying no lady bosses, no lady politicians, etc. John Knox anyone? No lady teachers of boys in Christian high schools; they are becoming men.
This was not controversial pre-feminism.
Thank you SO very much👍😊!!
Dangers of Hebrew roots, They teach we must obey Scripture, how dare they!! LOL
How dare they properly interpret the Bible? Like we are not under law but grace? The law was nailed to the cross? We live by love? Bacon is evil!!!😂😂😂
Mr. Schumacher Hidden knowledge only a few have? Special indeed! Hidden not so much... Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Around 27 min you talk about Cain and Abel and doing sacrifices but they were doing this before the law was written. Noah knew about clean and unclean animals before the law was given. And with food laws, if God came out and clearly said, do not eat XYZ than why after Christ dying doesn't He just come out and say, now that Christ died you are free to eat XYZ? You are projecting into scripture something that it just does not say.
If the law came 430 years later, how did Cain and Abel know how to do sacrifices? And how did Noah know about clean and unclean animals? 2 each of unclean animals entered the ark but 7 each of clean animals also entered.
I missed the live.
This is very good. Thank you for doing this.
. Sunday Lawless Matt 7:21-23 Christians say the sacred name Jesus that didn't exist till the 1600s is the ONLY name one can be saved.
Christ was the Word in flesh…ie, Christ is the Torah
I’m really curious to know, if y’all talking about the Hebrew Israelite groups that believe the 12 tribes are only Blacks, Hispanics, & Native Indians ? If so, how did Nikki
become a part of this group, being what they would refer to as an “Edomite ?”
I would like to point out that someone in a thread said it was “too easy” to just have faith in Christ for salvation, otherwise everyone would do it, implying that you also need to work for it by keeping the Torah. Also implying that they’ve found the special favor necessary to be saved by putting in the hard work to keep the commandments. But that’s just it, not everyone believes, most people think they’re a good person. Unfortunately this line of thinking is the same reason some don’t accept Christ at all, because they can’t acknowledge that Christ already did it all for them, and not to mention all other religions require works so that you “hopefully” make it to heaven. How is Christ any different if he still required human works to supplement faith. As Paul said wages for work are what is due, not a gift.
Andrew and Cultish: The point about Mark 7 is that the Byzantine Text and TR have a neuter word, whereas most Critical Text versions follow a manuscript tradition that has a masculine word. There is in fact a textual variant there that has influenced translation. The KJV has "purging all meats," thus connecting Yeshua's statement to the elimination system, not to Yeshua himself doing the purifying.
Mr. Roberts Mr. Schumacher Please let someone who is not claiming to be a teacher help you guys out. Its more than just one Prophet somewhere in scripture, its all over the place, here are just a couple. EZ 36:24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I have watched the introductions as well and the first part. In the description is it stated that Nikki and Andrew have in-depth knowledge of the world of Hebrew Roots theology. But all I am hearing is examples of incidents that have nothing to do with the theology, but rather with people taking it too far (what I personally have experienced in traditional churches as well). I do hear so many times the statements 'You really can't'... It's totally impossible' ... I would advice you to really be careful how you phrase things. I do consider myself also Torah observant and I totally don't understand how this could be a burden as it is so enjoyable to try to listen to Gods voice.
I think the biggest misunderstanding of this movement is the TORAH vs GRACE, which is not the case, but 'Being under the (curse of the) law for breaking it vs being under grace when we break it'. Without the law there is no need for grace after all.
It would be have been a much more interested conversation if someone who is actually Torah observant was part of this conversation, and some things that are not understood could be explained. I do understand all of your answers as all the texts in Galatians and Romans are studied multiple times (at least by me when I first started to see like a 'Hebrew Roots person'.)
I am very excited about Gods Feasts and I am always looking forward to them. I do wear tsit-tsit, also to work, as I can't be more proud to show others that I belong to Yeshua. For this that it the most easy way to show others I love God. I compare this as well to wearing a wedding ring. Why wouldn't you wear it?
Am I keeping the torah perfectly? No, I am trying and I do that with love. When I do fail, I am catched by grace. No burden whatsoever. Is keeping the Torah earning me my salvation? Absolutely not.
Of course the law needs to be a tutor first as I need to understand it. Once I do I can apply it as Yeshua did. Same that I had to go to school first to learn how to talk and count and everything. Once I learned how to do that I could apply it in real life. I'm not in school anymore now under a tutor, but I still using the knowledge I have learned in school. As I keep learning more about the Torah, it will be written in my heart and I will try to apply it. In my opinion the Torah is Gods will and as I want to obey His voice I need to follow the torah. Of course the torah is pointing to God, because breaking it is sinning, sin and God can't be together.
As for the feasts I can maybe explain this by an example in movies. There is a sweet 16 party and everybody is going to the biggest and most popular party, but I am stuck having to go to my best friends party which almost nobody goes to. God asks us not to go the the parties of the world (X-mas and Easter is celebrated by the whole world), but God asks us to go to HIS parties (Pesach, Feast of Tabernacles, etc). Maybe not so popular in the world, but I care about who is throwing the party ... No though choice for me...
Anyway, Gods blessing for all of you. Hopefully you can maybe understand why some people do get so excited about the torah.
I have Hebrew Roots family. They accidentally turned me to Catholicism. Alot of railing against paganism that they do is because they don't really know what they are talking about. For example, a common complaint is "Argh! Catholics made up Easter to honor Ishtar and supplant Pesach!" But I looked into it and Catholics celebrate what? PASSOVER. Easter is a name used only in English speaking countries. Every other country calls it "Passover" in their tongue.
So really, when you start finding things like that, it kind of casts some doubts on the everything is pagan narrative of Hebrew Roots.
@@cameronstolhand7149 Nice try bud. The commandment to not worship idols is still there, just combined with the first prohibition against worshipping other gods. There are actually three different ways that different sects list the 10. Jews do it a third way that is different than both the protestant and the Catholic way. And one more thing, not all Protestants reckon the 10 commandments the way you do. For example, Lutherans still use the list Catholics list.
@@cameronstolhand7149 Could always pick up a Catholic Catechism and see. I perused your channel. The guitar stuff looks cool. I play too. Anyway, it looks like you aren't intimidated by reading or watching stuff with viewpoints you disagree with.
@@jimbus4096 I'm sorry to hear this made change your mind. For me the only valid argument to start celebrating His feasts is because He asks us to do it and for us to show His our love. Catholics (and almost all other Christian churches) do celebrate Easter and there are a lot of things very different between Easter and Passover. Easter is celebrated on the first SUNday after the spring equinox, while Passover starts on the 14th of Nisan at sundown. Easter remembers the ressurrection of Christ, while Passover remembers the death of Yeshua. Easter is just 1 day, while Passover is a festival that lasts 7 days, while during these days there is also a presentation pointing towards the presentation of Christ after the ressurrection. The reason I'm not celebrating Easter is because it is so closely connected with Capitalism and traditions that have nothing to do with the bible. While Passover is clean and nobody celebrates Passover but followers of Christ. So if your Catholic Church celebrates Passover on the 14th of Nisan, don't eat bread with yeast for 7 days, and remembers the death of Jesus, then yes, you are celebrating Passover.
So if you decide not to follow Jesus to celebrate His feast that is your decision, but think about your reasons why you would not follow Him in this.
God bless you all. I saw part 1 of this video and this one also. The responds of some is that no matter what been spoken in this video will change their mind. Others agree with what was spoken, including myself. I stand on the understanding that all points to Christ, peroid! No amount of keeping anything from Torah will make me righteous before God, only through Christ am I made righteous before Him.
I am going to begin with a verse that many Christians use today in churches that has become a trend, however is been used in a context that has nothing to do what the verse is actually trying to say.
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...
The worse thing about the use of this verse is that is totally incomplete.
How does the verse actually says?
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
There is a very if not the most important part on this verse that explains what knowledge is the prophet Hosea talking about "seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God" The children of Israel drove away from the knowledge of the law of God. We need to remind ourselves that Yeshua (Jesus) was a Jew, he was born a Jew, he was circumcised at the 8th day, he kept the Shabbat, and he celebrated the 7 Feasts of God written in Leviticus 23. When Jesus was preaching he did it to a Jewish multitude, therefore when he said I did not come to abolish the law he was referring to the law giving by God to Moses and the children of Israel, the Torah. To say that Jesus abolish the law (Torah) because he fulfilled it contradicts with what he said in the very same sentence "I did not come to abolish the law"
Now the questions is if the gentiles must obey the Law of God.
Ephesians 2: 11-13 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are GENTILES by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)- 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, EXCLUDE FROM THE CITIZENSHIP OF ISRAEL and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
When an immigrant managed to become a citizen of the United States does that person is abided to keep the Law and the Constitution of the land, or he must not because he was not born American? Of course that immigrant is abided to keep the law of the land, same thing happens when gentiles comes to Christ. Once a gentile comes to Christ he is no longer a gentile, because a gentile that in Hebrew means (goy) is a person without covenant, and without the Law of God, therefore that person becomes an Israelite. In Romans chapter 11 the apostle Paul explains that the Gentiles are now part of Israel and they must be abided by the Law (Torah) of God
@@LightSeekers777 Praised be his name!!! I’m happy I could help.
This is a good series!!
This program contains a lot of truth that can be applied to any legalistic group. 🕊️
Very informative video. I also tend to notice that some of the Hebrew roots remind me alot of the various black Hebrew Israelite groups that I encounter in person and online. They use alot of the same talking points.
Not by a long shot! The Black Hebrew Israelites base their beliefs on skin color or ethnicity. If you are Native American, Hispanic or Black you fit the bill...
@@linak7155 It depends on Hebrew Israelites you encounter.
The ones you are talking about are the One West variety like ISUPK, ICOGJC, GMS, HOI, SICARII, GOCC etc.
The vary just like the Hebrew roots movement ironically enough.
@Kryss kroon Don't tell them that. They believe they are the only ones who can interpret the bible properly because in their words " It is our book and not the other nations "
@Kryss kroon Also a good number of Hebrew Israelites were initially Hebrew roots.
Is this different from the podcast today? If not I want a part 3!!!
It's the same!
Sunday lawless church's version of Luke 21:33 “Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words were only temporary because now we only live by Messiah Paul's letters.
Jesus referred to the synagogue of Satan as the Jews, and this wasn't the first time he identified the synagogue of Satan. Jesus in john chapter 8 surrounded by the Jews told them you are of your father the devil and says "he was a murderer from the beginning"
Jesus identified old covenant Israel as children of the devil, MURDERERS. So what's happening in Revelation 2 and 3? Those who say they were Jews were seeking to kill Christians, just like those who claimed to be the children of Abraham but in truth were the children of the devil were seeking to kill Jesus and would later kill his disciples. Now this comes into play particularly in Rev chap 12 in which we have Satan persecuting the seed of the man child, in other words the new covenant seed of Jesus. Now what this tells us in Rev chap 12 in regard to this persecution that we are not dealing with Roman persecution here at all, we are dealing with persecution brought against the body of Christ by those who say they are Jews but are not for they are liars they are the synagogue of Satan.
That is what the HRM follow, they are following in the foot steps of the Jews.
Yeshua said if you love me keep my commandments? What commandment only the Torah. Yeshua also said that Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes or Pharisees you shall not enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Yah's commands are wrecking your marriage?? This is border-line blasphemy, certainly heresy. Please lady, stop it. My wife and I have followed these guidelines, and we have adjusted quite well. Just stop your complaining. His Law is meant to keep us safe, and will liberate us when we follow it by the power of His Ruach.
I just looked into Mark 7:19, I didn’t see the Lord’s name . Neither did I see that he “declared” anything, Those words were simply not in the text. Look at it for yourself and do with it what you will.
Where is the defense for the other side of the case?? You are sharing your side where is the defense for the other side do you think it so low that they don't deserve a fair trial? I know someone else that didn't get a fair trial and he turned into a corner stone.
Make the debate fair....
It's not a question of either Torah or Jesus. They are not opposites or in conflict with each other. Torah is God's word, Jesus is God, and they word is God. If we remain in his word, in which Torah cannot be excluded, then we also remain in Jesus.
Stop believing everything you hear on the tell-lie-vision. Satan is the prince of the power of the air (waves).
The main problem is that this movement grew out of futurism. If you understand that Jesus already returned and we are in the Little Season, then you understand that when He came everything was fulfilled. The TO people are waiting for Jesus to return to fulfill everything. If they took Jesus at His word where He said He was coming back in THAT generation.
How is it that He already returned? When? In what period of earth's/human history was there no death, sickness, war, famine, and all other things prophecied about His return?
And the dragon (Satan) and most Sunday Christians were enraged with the woman and who keep the commandments of YAH and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah. Revelation 12:17
An interesting point about "what is food?". But, if your interpretation is true then why, in the instance of Peter's vision, would Peter have said that he had never eaten anything unholy or unclean? It seems to me that Peter interpreted Torah that unclean animals were not to be eaten. Jesus apparently never corrected this practice, Peter was well after the generation that recieved the Torah through Moses, and the vision was only to communicate that we are not to call people unclean, not to imply that all animals are clean. I understand your point that food laws are changeable, but before the flood clean and unclean animals were distinguished from each other and there is not indication that after the command in exodus that unclean animals are forbidden to eat as evidenced that Peter was still practicing it after Jesus crucifixion without indication that he ever changed that practice throughout the new testiment.
Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB)
Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB)
Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB)
Hebrews 3:17 And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness [Heb. midbar]? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest [Psalm 95:11], but to those who were disobedient? (NASB)
Deuteronomy 27:26 “ ‘Cursed is anyone who does not fulfill the words of this Law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ “ (NASB)
Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away [Revelation 21], not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB)
It's the ministry of death (Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Numbers 15:32-36; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18), engraved in letters on stones (2 Corinthians 3).
The one who has ears, let him hear.
What's up with sourdough? Women getting to much yeast? Not kidding what is it about? You can't have yeast in the house? We're not under the law Galatians 3
@@LightSeekers777 1 John 2:1-29 ESV - My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining. Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. I am writing to you, little children,
because your sins are forgiven for his name’s sake. I am writing to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I am writing to you, young men,
because you have overcome the evil one.
I write to you, children,
because you know the Father. I write to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you,
and you have overcome the evil one. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us-eternal life. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
This video does a great job in making these Hebrew roots people seem ridiculous for keeping Torah. But they do a terrible job in actually understanding what they are doing. As Christian of nearly 50 years who in the last 2 years have been following Torah, what is being discussed here is not giving a true indication of what Torah keepers are really doing. Now why would that be???
R.L. Solberg of the channel "Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity" did a really good job of pointing out distinctions between the law of the old covenant in the law of the new.
For instance the fact that Yeshua became our high priest at all shows that there was a change to the law. The Levitical priesthood is no longer relevant because it was replaced by a higher order, that of Melchizedek.
And if the levitical priesthood is no longer in charge of the reconciliation, then all of the laws that were relevant to that priesthood have passed away.
The Mosaic Law has passed away. It has been replaced with the spirit of that law, which is in our God and our Savior Yeshua.
Of all the cults I have come across in my travels the Hebrew roots are some of the most spiritually blind people.
@@LightSeekers777 I never said that Christians should make a life of sin or that we are not called to live Holy lives, but law keeping WILL NOT and CAN NOT EVER earn nor maintain our salvation. Jesus took care of every bit of that for us. With all due respect, it appears that you have never read The New Testament or possibly you have yet remain spiritually blinded from the gospel and do not actually understand the New Covenant.
@@LightSeekers777 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Galatians 2:21
I pray you see the Truth before it’s too late.
@@LightSeekers777 Again, I never said a Christian should desire to live a life of sin. And YES, when one is born again they will naturally desire to do what is pleasing to God. However, still believing and teaching that one needs to keep the 600+ laws that were GIVEN TO THE JEWS under the Old Covenant in order to be saved or to remain saved is an insult to The Lord Jesus Christ and the work that HE DID on the cross on our behalf. I don’t know what YOU personally believe, but every person I have ran across that believes in the Hebrew Roots movement has expressed that you MUST obey the ENTIRETY of the Torah TO BE SAVED. As a non Hebrew (by birth) Christian as I am, that is biblically inaccurate. Myself as a gentile believer was never even given the Mosaic Law to obey as a condition of salvation.
Next, The Apostle Paul was VERY CLEAR that you CAN NOT MIX LAW AND GRACE. In other words, DO NOT MIX THE MOSAIC COVENANT WITH THE NEW COVENANT. You are free to attempt to earn salvation through law keeping. It won’t work but go ahead and give it a shot. I choose to believe what God revealed to The Apostle Paul and then recorded in Scripture.
You said that you “had a revelation that Jesus is Torah”. I’m not really sure what you mean by that. However, nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus “is The Torah”. I will say this though, if your “revelation” contradicts Scripture then it is NOT of or from God.
Yes, Jesus kept the Torah as He was Jewish, but he isn’t “The Torah”. If you read through the New Testament you will find MANY examples of people attempting to reinsert or mix Jewish laws and or customs back into the New Covenant. This was always met with a stern rebuke from The Apostles. The entire book of Hebrews addresses this. Not to mention parts of Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians, 1 John……..
As Ecclesiastes says, there is nothing new under the sun. People were attempting to corrupt the gospel back then and they continue to do so now.
The Apostle Paul records in Galatians….
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6-9
Accursed! Those are pretty strong words.
The Hebrew Roots movement absolutely preaches a different gospel. Say otherwise if you want but it does.
To answer your final question. Yes, Jesus would recognize me, and I would recognize Him being that I belong to Him and His Spirit indwells me and has sealed me until the day of redemption. Of course I wouldn’t tell Jesus to “keep trying to earn it”. He DID earn it. He was the ONLY one who could. That doesn’t in any way change what The Bible says when read in the proper context nor does it change the gospel.
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:28-29
There is only ONE way to be saved. By Faith alone in Jesus Christ alone according to The Scriptures alone, to the Glory of God alone.
That’s the truth. Im sorry that you can’t see that beautiful truth. I pray you do someday.
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
@@LightSeekers777 thank you! Someone who actually knows what’s going on in HR or Torah observance. None of these guys considers that people wanting to obey God in everything they do have been Jesus’ disciples for years. They aren’t believing that they will earn salvation by obeying the law. 🤦🏻♀️
@@AVKingJamesBible in order for the statement that the law of YHVH given THROUGH Moses was ONLY FOR THE JEWS to be true: 1) the other 11 tribes of Israel could not have existed. 2) there would not have been a mixed multitude that came out of Egypt with the Israelites and 3) every single one of the following would have to be (and is) ignored--
Exodus- 12:19; 12:49; 20:10
Leviticus - 16:29; 17:8; 17:10; 17:13; 18:26; 19:34; 22:18; 24:16; 24:22
Numbers- 9:14; 15:14-16; 15:26; 15:29; 19:10; 35:15
Deuteronomy- 1:16; 5:14; 24:14
Joshua 8:33; 8:35; 20:9
Isaiah 56; 65:17-25
Ruth
Matthew-12:8; 12:12
Mark- 2:28; 3:4
Luke-4:16; 4:31; 6:5
Acts- 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4
Colossians 2:16
1 John 2:3-6; 3:4
Revelation 21-22
That's quite a lot of Bible to ignore just because one has been erroneously taught that Paul says the Law of YHVH was fulfilled by Yeshua/Jesus so now we don't have to. What Kingdom doesn't have laws? How many laws are there in your country? "Oh but Jesus' law is love". Love by whose standards? The world's standards? Well one look at the news and we can see what those standards accomplish. The Law is love according to YHVH'S standard.
The torah is like reusable toilet paper... it exposes sin.. once thats done it has no purpose sure ypu can wipe more with it but it is not going to clean your sin problem
I was hoping for a scholarly debate type of setting with the hosts providing a wealth of witnesses from Scripture to support their arguments against the Hebrew Roots Movement, but the first 16 minutes is just, "yap, yap, yap..." and then the host finally brings up Matthew 5:17-18. This is the kind of behavior I see in politicians, which is, dodging arguments for as long as you can. If you're questioning the Torah Movement, this video is not the content you should be watching to get answers. It's just a bunch of commentary, it's not heavy in Scripture, and the content preaches to the choir. It is obvious that very little care was put into this.
You all are obviously mischaracterizing this group as a whole and picking some examples of a few individuals who are off.
The same could be done for any Christian group.
The Hebrew Roots people as a whole do not believe in Salvation through keeping the commandments.
Rather after one is saved, they should try and walk like Jesus who kept the commandments.
Knowing we will never be able to do it perfectly like Him, and that through Jesus alone we are saved.
I think it is rather disingenuous for criticizing people who are trying to walk like their Savior.
You may have more explaining to do when you do meet Him than the very people you are criticizing.
This is NOT the Reformed Baptist view of the Sabbath! The 1689 is clear about it. If you are anti-sabbatarian you are not a Reformed Baptist, you are just a Calvinistic Baptist. Hebrews 3-4 is about eschatology (land of Canaan=new heavens new earth) and Jesus finishing His work just as God did in the 6 creation days and resting on the 7th. When Jesus rose from the grave He sat down at the right hand of the Father. The whole book of Hebrews is a sermon about psalm 110, and the new creation!
We can not try to relate God working for 6 days and resting on the 7th, to a person resting from trying to earn their salvation. It’s just not there. That text is about Jesus! The One who has entered His rest is Jesus (Heb 4:10). Verses 12-15 are also talking about Jesus!
Please read that section with this in mind and consider it if you have not already.
Soli Deo Gloria
Romans 3:19-31
Can you guys start a discussion about the Baha'i faith? I've been seeing them a lot here lately.
Loved the truth about galatians xxx
Those who keep His Commands and have faith in Yeshua, Jesus shall enter into His kingdom.
Three wolfs and a wolfess just spent an hour making Paul out to be a double minded say one thing yet do another.
Here is a challenge,,,,, trying saying that we should not observer the Torah as believers and try doing it without Paul’s writings,
Should be easy enough 😄 I mean getting rid of the Torah is massive and you should have loads of scripture to back up what you’re saying.
Paul,,, Torah loving feast keeping Sabbath honouring Timothy circumcising Jesus imitating Paul who taught all his followers to keep the Law.
Paul is either a false teacher or he’s misinterpreted.
I Follow Yeshua and imitate Him.
Peter mentioned about you guys when he said that Paul would be misinterpreted and leading others to Lawlessness.
Try the challenge 😄
Some truths here...Why was Titus not circumcised?
Yeshua or Jesus?
Andrew has an occult symbol on his tee. Please get a clue.
And your beard makes a shape of one. Please update that thing. It’s shape is in sin
@@alantate25 And the dragon (Satan) and most Sunday Christians were enraged with the woman and who keep the commandments of YAH and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah. Revelation 12:17
Be careful to not misjudge those who do choose to follow the dietary laws as hebrew roots because i believe it is for all humans, not just a certain group of humans. These meats are unclean for a reason. The pig eats anything you give it, they are basically garbage disposals, they contain parasites, shrimp and unclean fish are bottom feeders and eat sea poo, unclean birds eat dead flesh. If Jesus made all meats clean especially according to Peter's vision that people like to bring up, then we can eat dogs, cats, bears, squirrels etc.. because based on your interpretation, they are good to eat...and if these meats are made clean then why do so many people get sick with parasites, tape worms, ibs, food allergies? It just doesn't make sense to me. One can eat poison, it will digest through one's stomach and still die....
Did Jesus ever say we are not to keep the commandments? I thought He said "If you love Me, you shall guard Commands.John 14:15, 21, 23. "And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His Commands. The one who says, "I know Him," and does not guard His Commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 1:4-5.
Seems like y'all are very, very confused. Maybe you should just try to imitate Jesus?
There currently is no Temple, Priesthood and therefore no offerings at this time, but it will happen again in the Millennium Ezekiel 40-48.
Honestly I couldn't make it through the whole podcast. To much time discussing your experiential drivel and not a honest discussion of scripture.
Why don't you just interview one of these solid Hebrew Rooters who has a channel with thousand of followers?
Everyone of these Hebrew Rooters I have meet clearly states that Salvation is through faith alone.
Maybe it is time for y'all to test your own heart?
. Sunday Lawless Matt 7:21-23 Christians say the sacred name Jesus that didn't exist till the 1600s is the ONLY name one can be saved.
Mac Aroni Taking more scriptures out of context I see for your Judaizer roots movement!
You're denying Jesus for Judaism. The Hebrew roots movement is Antichrist.
One the things I have found about HR is that it eventually involves making the Book of Enoch scripture.
True. Along with many other non canonical books
The name was given, and it was given in Greek. Not in Hebrew.
The Holy Spirit breathed out that at the name of Iēsous (Jesus) every knee should bow in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess KYRIOS IĒSOUS CHRISTOS to the Glory of God the Father.
Nice! I love it! The problem dealing with HR is that they just claim some conspiracy theory when hit with this sort of thing. Been dealing with HR family for years. You'll get stuff like "Well, the gospels weren't really written in Greek. The Vatican suppressed the original Hebrew text while they were promoting the worship of the sun and Ishtar." I kid you not. Very tedious stuff.
@@jimbus4096 Right? There is enough to hate about the RC, no need to make up outlandish nonsense about them too.
The original autographs were in Greek. Period.
John 19:20
"This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Yahusha(Jesus) was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin."
You can not say that it was given/breathed in greek when during the crucifixion it was written in 3 different languages. His name based on this was already written in Hebrew in this instance before the gospels were even written. He was a Hebrew and not a Greek, so you have to remember that greek was just the language used to transliterate his name. Joshua from the "old testament" was also called Jesus or IESOUS in the "new testament"
Hebrews 4:8
"For if Joshua(Jesus) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
Joshua name was just transliterated in the Greek, so would you say that his name was breathed out in Greek too? or was it just transliterated...
The people at the time in Judea were most likely speaking Hebrew and/or Aramaic. You see examples of this in the new testament where Yahusha(Jesus) is speaking aramaic. Examples of this are Matthew 5:22 and Matthew 27:46 and others Look it up for yourself.
Its good to really do your research and ask who, what, where, when, and why.
@@ExNihiloComesNothing
John 19:20
"This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Yahusha(Jesus) was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin."
You can not say that it was given/breathed in greek when during the crucifixion it was written in 3 different languages. His name based on this was already written in Hebrew in this instance before the gospels were even written. He was a Hebrew and not a Greek, so you have to remember that greek was just the language used to transliterate his name. Joshua from the "old testament" was also called Jesus or IESOUS in the "new testament"
Hebrews 4:8
"For if Joshua(Jesus) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
Joshua name was just transliterated in the Greek, so would you say that his name was breathed out in Greek too? or was it just transliterated...
The people at the time in Judea were most likely speaking Hebrew and/or Aramaic. You see examples of this in the new testament where Yahusha(Jesus) is speaking aramaic. Examples of this are Matthew 5:22 and Matthew 27:46 and others Look it up for yourself.
Its good to really do your research and ask who, what, where, when, and why.
@@jimbus4096
Unfortunate that you got those responses and not real answers, let me help...
Yea the gospels where written in greek, bascially for greek speaking peoples to spread the good news. There were also gospels written in hebrew as well for the hebrew/aramaic speakers. Look up gospel of the Hebrews, and gospel of the Nazarenes.
Prior to the written gospels, the apostles/disciples were going out preaching and sharing the good news. In Judea where the gospel was First preached, they were speaking hebrew and aramaic. You see Yahusha(Jesus) speaking aramaic even in the greek gospels (Matthew 27:46 is an example), so pretty sure they were referring to each other by there true hebrew names in there language and not the later transliterated greek ones. If interested we can discuss further.
Shalom
Why the Torah. I'm going with tortillas. Put them in the freezer as food disappears. Yes we are not under the law please refrain from idols ( all sports,all video games, tic TOC, figures from other countries, all card games, anime, cartoons, superheroes, Hollywood , all secular music and pornication.
And the dragon (Satan) and most Sunday Christians were enraged with the woman and who keep the commandments of YAH and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah. Revelation 12:17