How, When, and Why John the Baptizer Was Marginalized in Early Christianity
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2022
- In this slide illustrated Zoom lecture I explore the ways in which John the Baptist was marginalized from the dominant Jesus tradition that ended up becoming the "master narrative" running through the New Testament. What was he in his own time and place? Can we recover traditions of John, embedded in our sources, that will allow him to emerge as he was--the leader of the early first century Messianic movement that came to be associated with Jesus and subsequently Christianity? This lecture includes much that has been overlooked by millions of Christians, including new archaeological evidence related to John and the early traditions about him, as well as research on the Mandeans--who still exist--and trace their faith back to John himself--and not to Jesus. At the end I offer some personal reflections--on a more emotional level, hope everyone is good with that. It is hard to deal with these murdered figures--John, Jesus, and James, without thinking of them as more than "historical" topics.
Here is a post from Tabor's Blog--which, by the way, has much more on John the Baptist, that fills in many other details and also includes materials from Hebrew Matthew (Shem Tov version): jamestabor.com/was-jesus-a-fo...
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Being a history and ancient philosophy teacher . I like how you bring the Bible to life. I’m learning Hebrew. My life goal is to visit the holy land. Blessings sir🙏
My honest opinion after having read Dr. Tabor and Dr. Eisenman extensively, and years ago corresponding with Dr. Tabor…
I have to say that Dr. Tabor has hit the ball out of the park with this UA-cam.
Thank you 🙏 good sir!
Such a gift to be privy to these profound insights about the deep familial bond between John and Jesus, as well as their bonded roles in first century ministry along the Jordan River in the years prior to the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple. Thank you, Dr. Tabor.
In my own, personal reconstruction of the historical Jesus, he definitely started out as a follower of John.
That Mark's Gospel starts with Jesus' baptism by John is the long and short of it for me.
Agreed. that, and how Josephus barely mentions him, but talks detailed about John..
Neither was Yeshua a disciple of Yohanan, nor was Yohanan a disciple of Yeshua, both represent two different teachers and communities.
Yeshua explicitly came to Yohanan to be baptised after hearing about the rumors, after his baptism he was directly lead into the wilderness to be tested by Satan. From this point on Yohanan questions the identity of Yeshua, he is a doubter and continues his path. He sent out his disciples to seek affirmation from Yeshua, and the Moschiach confesses by saying that the sick are healed and the dead are raised. Yohanan received the word and was beheaded shortly after, he died in good faith a true believer in God.
Yohanan's disciples followed Yeshua from then on, having lost one shepherd and falling into the care of another shepherd even greater then the one before.
@@larocdokarnap3227 1 On the contrary; there were followers of John who remained loyal to him, even after his death, and did not follow Jesus..
2 The passage about the desert is not historic. That is to say; it is certainly possible that after his baptism Jesus went into seclusion in the desert. However, 1'40 days' is clearly symbolic; 2 when fasting the feeling of hunger disappears within a few days so Jesus being hungry after 40 days doesn't make any sense and 3 the temptation by satan is obviously not a historic account.
Really? I can't see Jesus Christ following any 'man.'
Amazing lecture thank you very much. I have watched & listened multiple times and am now taking notes in an outline to research further
Bravo! God damn, this is beautiful and tragic. The real history and what we can glimpse of the real story is so much more than the theology and later tradition. Thank you!
You are the Michael Jordan of biblical scholars. I can hardly believe how much light your research sheds on the early Jesus movement. I believe those men would have been proud to hear their stories told by such a great servant of the Truth. Thank you.
Thank you Dr Tabor, great presentation.
This is exactly what I've needed to hear today
Wow Dr Tabor, this is absolutely fascinating!
look , I'm just a plumber,but i must say having God in my heart your lifes work has brought more meaning to my ideas of God and Jesus.. Also how you show the relationships of people at the time of Jesus helps me understand what is going on the world today. Maybe just maybe enough will understand the right path for humanity.. thank you Sir
Excellent program! Thank you!!!
This really linked Josephus and the Gospels in a way that I needed for historicity sake. Calling it the "messianic movement" and "a continuation of the John the Baptist movement" really frames the political aspect of this and I'd never even put 2-and-2 together on how John places a good chunk of the disciples essentially with Jesus prior to the baptism, which is kind of nuts.
I know it's extremely speculative to say they were all cohorts in this and I normally don't take anything John says at face value, but dang that's incriminating if it's true. Not to make light of it, but I didn't realize that "The Life of Brian" was is essentially more historically plausible than the gospels.
This new show "the chosen" did a pretty good job showing a deep relationship between them and emotional display from Jesus when he knows John is going off to die and when he knows John is dead
I love your lectures, thank you for making them available to us, non scholars. I begun to read your books, as a Christian then a Catholic, and deep believer in Jesus, himself, your findings and explanations, interpretation makes so much sense to me than what I was taught. Your lectures give me reasons to believe even more in Jesus, who he said he was. Maybe it sounds crazy, but to believe that he was born of 2 parents, I still believe in his divinity, doesn't change for me.
If Yahusha was born of two fallen sinful humans, then His shed Blood cannot wash away one single transgression. MRYaM only provided an ovum for Father’s RUaKh to “supernaturally overshadow” to conceive the divine presence in a human womb.
@@crcampos117 If your god is omnipotent, then it shouldn't matter how sinful the blood being sacrificed is. If he wants it to be enough, then it is. Why? Because he's the one needing to appease.
Outstanding ... AGAIN. Thank you so much.
Thank you for sharing this info, and this is a great find, and Jesus with out a doubt, would not want John to fade away from the events of the baptisms that John performed in the wilderness, and he is a major figure of these incredible truths that give us a sense of what took place in bible times, thanks again,
A remarkable lecture. Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Tabor.
Thank you dr. Tabor, great points!!!!
Thank you for your work,and sharing same.
Thank You James. I much appreciate Your ability to deeply analyse , dissect and interpret Christian and pre Christian evidence that is available today. I was baptised into the C of E and then intoduced to the Baptist ceremonie Sunday school from about four years old.Growing up in a 90% Baptist Community. As a child I recall asking Old Walt a question, is that God's honest truth, the reply that's " Jonnick"! The early lives of both Mary and Jesus were shaped by Johnthe Baptist's mother Elisabeth. John the Baptist became Jesus's mentor! Jesus became an active disciple until John's death. Thank You! I retain an open mind and much appreciate the light that You bring to scriptures.
Thanks for this James... I love studying about JTB. In the first photo at 4:33 we also see the snake 'biting John's heal' and I'd bet it represents Genesis 3:15. Also, the second painting, I have a saved copy on my laptop of this and there are two different versions... one has the angel on the right pointing to JTB, same painting.
You brought up a great point about Jesus possibly starting out as a disciple of John.
If Jesus was perfect in the eyes of God; being the Son of God. Why would Jesus need to partake in a baptism for the remission of sin?
I see the story of John and Christ as another revelation of the biblical message of flesh and Spirit. John came first, representing the flesh [water birth], and Christ came second, representing the [Spirit birth]. Of course, Christ goes way beyond this one picture, but this is one of the pictures I see in this story. If we're only able to "see" the letter [written word] we'll never "see" the Living Word that dwells between the lines. ❤
many thanx dr tabor just astounding......
Dr Tabor, I think that your understanding of John’s roll & ministry would be better informed if you reviewed the large portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls that have become available for study in just the last couple of decades.
As you certainly know, the Israeli Antiquities Authority tried their best to keep these writings hidden. They were made available only after years of legal battles in American courts.
Dr Ken Johnson has worked diligently on translating them into English. And they shed so much light on the Essenes & their Zadok Priesthood leadership. The Essenes were a major force in 2nd Temple era Judaism. They were not a small cloistered group of radicals. Although, Qumran was a place for the legitimate Priests to study & grow.
John the Baptizer (I agree, a better translation of his title) was definitely an Essene. In fact his mission statement was exactly that of the entire sect. When John sent word to Jesus asking if He was the Messiah, Jesus responded with a quote from Essene recorded prophecy.
Their veneration of the Testimonies of the Patriarch’s & rejection of the “Oral Torah” (traditions of the Elders) set them apart from and at odds with the Pharisees & Sadducees, the two other major influencers of Judaism in that day.
Modern day Rabbinical Judaism is descended largely from the Pharisee traditions (Talmud). Sadducees died out. Some claim Karaite Judaism comes from them. Not really, tho.
These recent translations turn our understanding of both early Messianic Christianity & 2nd Temple Judaism upside down. The doctrines that Paul taught us in his letters as well as his entire ministry are validated by the Essene writings & commentaries! The Essenes formed the core of the early church. Their doctrines were seamlessly incorporated into early Pauline Christianity. The Gospels & the Pauline Letters are accurately presented.
Their understanding of Messiah & Redemption was very much in accord with modern, conservative Evangelical understanding.
And John the Baptizer knew his role as the forerunner of Christ. It is accurately pictured in the Gospels.
I suspect that Jesus being 100% man with all its limitations, and Who had voluntarily laid aside His Divine attributes for a season - probably didn’t perfectly understand His mission from birth. He did everything during His First Advent as a Man Who was filled with the Holy Spirit. Peter tells us that. I think that He had levels of Progressive Revelation during His earthly Incarnation. As He lived a life of Perfect Obedience, God the Father revealed more & more through the indwelling Holy Spirit to Jesus.
So very plausibly, as John & his cousin, Jesus, grew in their early lives - they most likely didn’t understand everything about their relationship & their eventual ministries. And that progressive increase in understanding takes nothing away from the voracity of the Gospels.
The Bible that we have is 100% reliable & inspired by God, Himself!
Again, I would highly recommend that you and all the folks here look into Dr Ken Johnson’s work. He has a YT channel in addition to 30+ published books.
In paintings, the staff with a small crosspiece near the top is John the Baptist's emblem, like the keys for Peter or the sword for Paul. And John is six months older than Jesus, so when they are infants, John is always the bigger child.
And thank you for another outstanding presentation.
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Outstanding!
I wish so much that I could have joined this dig when invited. Alas, gamzu la tovah. Thanks for this great review today! I have now learned today a bit more about the documents regarding Yochanan the Immerser which I will share. A really fresh, comparative summary which demands consideration.
Thank you for the knowledge you share your a true blessing
Awesome!!
Just brilliant, Doctor Tabor. Thank you for loving these people who populate our Scriptures and for studying their lives in light of current scholarship. Thank you!
Absolutely fantastic.
According to Eusebius (3rd/4th century) James was named a bishop of Jerusalem by the apostles: "James, the brother of the Lord, to whom the episcopal seat at Jerusalem had been entrusted by the apostles". Jerome wrote the same: "James... after our Lord's passion... ordained by the apostles bishop of Jerusalem..." and that James "ruled the church of Jerusalem thirty years".
Your deciphering of Christianity is very valuable. Being an apostate Christian for half a century (standing mainly with the yogis and non-dualists), I started a new flirtation with the Christian faith in 2022, needing to understand the culture we are immersed in. I am shocked and repulsed (no longer merely baffled and disturbed) by the dogma I have rediscovered. These lectures are wonderful. Thanks.
the serpent around the cross in that one painting also brings to mind the brazen serpent on a pole from the exodus to me as well the serpent being at the foot of the cross shows a conquest over it by the Christ on the cross itself id imagine. Great video good sir 🙂
Beautiful!
Interesting lecture. I wonder Dr. Tabor if you have any opinion about whether the Sabians in the Quran are related to the John the Baptist following Mandeans.
The baptism is a cleansing of the body, so it be best to call him John the Cleanser.
Like Yohanan says there is one coming greater then himself and he will cleanse with fire and spirit, which is the spiritual cleansing/forgiveness of sins, because Yohanan did not possess to authority to cleanse sins (this was done through temple sacrifices in accordance with the law). This is why is referred to as the voice in the wilderness, because he is running a mock operation that softens people up to the coming of the Moschiach, he is basically saying his baptism is ceremonial, but the Moschiach will baptise you for real. The presence of Yeshua announces the end of temple worship, without the temple people cannot repent their sins so they remain spiritually defiled. Note how Yeshua himself never baptised anyone in the scriptures, not a single time he cleansed anyone with water but through words alone. Yeshua being given the authority has reign over the spirits of God, he only needs to say the word and the spirits will obey his commands.
The baptism of water is symbolic, it signifies the willingness of the sinner to be cleansed and become spiritually proper. The baptism of spirit is not of this world, the eye cannot perceive it, even the heart does not know its presence lest it reveals itself. Most of whom have been baptised only had a mere bathe, their baptism was done in bad faith. Faith in the gospels is not merely about the confidence of faith, rather it is about the spiritual understanding and wisdom that receives the praise of the teacher. False religion and bad faith render the baptism void, it is not the spoken blessing from the mouth that reaches out to the spirits, but from the heart its call will be heard for this is the language of spirits.
Hear this, that righteousness without religion is still righteousness, but religion without righteousness is murder of the soul. Yeshua taught a way of life, there is no greater worship to God then to live righteously, such a person is worth more then many temples.
Excellent. This really shows how it was all political in nature. God had nothing to do with it. I always felt John would have been the Christ figure had he survived.
Just amazing, thank you so much Prof. tTbor. We are living in apocalyptic times where the truth comes to light and will prevail! God bless you! My greetings from Hamburg Germany
Correct. All glory to God 🕊️💚🙏☘️
Thank you.
Mr.Tabor, do you have any feelings about the meaning of being anointed by oil, meaning the enlightenment state was achieved?
Raising the Son of man, as raising the Kundalini?
Jesus between two thieves on top of the skull?
I mean really?
12:44 PREACH!
Do you think Jesus' connection to John got him into trouble when he went to Jerusalem? You don't really see this point brought up in the gospels, but, knowing that Herod Antipas knew who JtheB was, and that he and Pilate became friends when Jesus was crucified, and recognizing Jesus movement as a continuation of John's, they decided for this reason (among others, of course marking Jesus as a messiah claimant himself) to have Jesus put to death?
Dr. Tabor's article makes me think about another overlooked implication of Jesus as a person, which I've had to come to grips with over the past 5 years or so. Jesus as a flesh and blood Jew, engaged in what modern Jews called Torah Study. This is where he got his knowledge and teachings: through studying. Not because he himself was a personified contradiction of God. In his mind he would have developed his teachings from John and by studying the Torah and have come to personal conclusion or "revelations" from his Father (God) not because he himself was God. It is really no different than the human founders of today's Christian denomination who began to study the Christian Scriptures and began to believe they were given new revelations (revealings and fresh understandings) and consequently developed novel theologies and doctrinces and eventually their own denomination. In the late 1900's earlly 2000s this process continued began to yield an indivduals personal independent doctrine and church. Hence today we have tele-churches, mega churches, celebrity churches, prosperity churches, empowerment churches etc, all because they studied and came to a personal novel conclusion
Alright. You have awakened my thoughts and I need some answers. First, Herod's first wife had a Father who came after Herod and basically, took him out. Pontius Pilate was put into exile around the same time. Was Herod's first wife a follower of John? Was she Jewish and was her Father? If so, it could be grounds for the Revolt so many were wanting. Were they getting people ready for the war to come? Did they know this "king/ruler" would come for Herod? If Herod was a convert to Judaism and not being a loyal subject to his people; that would be grounds for this "ruler" to come in and stop the chaos. Also, my thoughts were; is it possible Herod's wife (real one; not the last one) was pregnant before Herod's adulterous affair/marriage? Could she be the the real Mother of the coming Messiah, if she was a descendant of David and could she have been the one who was with his Mother at the crucifixion? I also, wonder if the "this is your Son" comment could refer to her actual son, as in, "This is one you seek", as in the revolt was coming sooner than later? If this is at all possible, then he and John did fulfill their prophecy and did save their people. One greater than he came and Cesar had no choice; but, to make things right or lose Israel entirely. The one whom you seek scared the crap out of the ruler of world. It may have been short lived. Still, affective and accomplished by many who would take the lead until one greater in numbers, society and experience could claim victory. Is this family still in Israel? If so, maybe this is where the next chapter of Israel's story comes to be. I just find it so fascinating. This whole concept of getting the people ready life to be livable again within the walls.
35:20 -- "John is totally out of the picture" -- Is he? If you read Luke Chapter 3 leading up to that, it says that John is doing his whole ministry and baptizing people. If you look at verse 21 alone, it doesn't say that Jesus was baptized _by John_ but with the verses before it should make it pretty obvious that John was the one doing the baptism.
Then after this you say in John "the one who I am not worthy to untie his shoe" as if we're exalting Jesus even more than John, but that's not a new development from John. It's also in Mark.
Am I missing anything? I very well could be as someone who doesn't study this in depth for a living, but these statements seem blatantly wrong, from what I'm looking at. Happy to be corrected, though
The line, "the one who I am not worthy to untie his shoe", is not in Mark.
@@todradmaker4297 mark 1:7
@@Greyz174 My bad, you are correct. For some reason I didn't think that line fit Mark's narrative.
@@Greyz174 i wonder if that would still be the same in the original greek translation
How about when John said he wasn't worthy to undo the sandal of Jesus? These statements are not about who is greater but about two Masters or prophets showing respect for one another. John would compliment Jesus to enable him to assume a leading role in a movement after John had gone.
Why did John send his disciples to ask if Jesus was the one if he already knew?
40:59 It's also a 47. I have a scythe on my left hand. It's a 74 also.
His formal name was John but everyone called him Jack. Jack the Dipper.
Esoteric alert: Steiner claimed there were 2 Jesus children - one of the Nathan line, one of Solomon. When one Jesus child was around 12, one child died in order to ‘give’ his spiritual body to the other Jesus child. Not the first example of this happening, mythologically speaking. Interesting if nothing else.
i always though that he was Elijah, reincarnated
as the disciples asked when Elijah would return,
Jesus answered by saying surly he has been but they killed him referring to john the Baptist beheading;
there are many other examples of reincarnation and even a character in the old testament that was also nailed to wood who's name escapes me at the moment
John the baptist in josephus ,mentions in his book Antiquites of the jews, so the baptism of john Baptist and its custom explaining tha not for repentance or forgiving sins, but only for purfying the body
Fascinating. Suggestion - retitle this video, since there wasn't enough time to address the "how, when and why." Then, do a follow-up which really does address these things in more detail. It would be great if you would address Dr. Clare K. Rothschild's book titled: "Baptist Traditions and Q," in which she suggests that Q began as a "Gospel of the Baptist."
Explore the epistles of Paul.
I'm wondering if being anointed with oil, means the way that our Kundalini chakra spiritual energy force field awakening happens as our Christ oil serpents rises up our spine from the bottom of our spine? Twisting around our bodies spinal column. And crossing each other at our 7 different chakras locations. To eventually be able to connect the pineal gland oil secretion, with the other part of our Brain. That causes our brains electro magnetic field to close the electric switch circuit breaker between the two parts of our brains. That opens our higher spiritual consciousness 3rd eye 👁️ portal to be able to be spiritually enlightened. Just as some of the other major Religions believe in happening to us through yoga, meditation, fasting, etc. possibly meaning that the Christ oil fluttering in our brains pleasure center pathway is the true meaning of receiving spiritual chakras fire serpents rising up our spinal column baptising us until our 3rd eye 👁️ of our 👑 crown chakra becomes fully spiritually awakened?
How likely is it that the John the Baptizer character was based on Theudas the Galilean?
The correct translation is Emmerser, not The Dipper.
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40:59 I have that on my right hand. It's an Axe.
The great mystery still is what was the resurrection. Was it physical. Was he given a new body or rainbow body that the Buddhas speck of.
James Tabor would u like to know the truth about John n Yahoshua ?
Dr. Tabor is ahead of his time.
As John stated he was the forerunner to Jesus Christ.
Interesting... in the gospel of John, John the baptizer denies explicitly being a messiah or the prophet Elijah in John 1:19-27
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Jehohanan 😊
Sir i doubt prophet jhon pbuh was mere only six months elder than jesus pbuh, when jesus pbuh started his ministry he was 29 or 30 years old ,that means prophet jhon was 29 and half years old ie. six months elder than jesus pbuh, prophet jhon already had many followers before jesus began his ministry ,that means jhon was preaching atleast 3-4 years prior to this moment ,because of which he gathered such following, if its so the prophet jhon pbuh started his ministry at the age somewhere when he was 25 years old ie 3-4-5 years prior meeting jesus pbuh, but throughout the history god/yahwe havent given prophethood to ptophets at very young age, prophethood is given when that prophet achives maturity ie. age of late 30s, jesus pbuh was an exception but most of the prophets started preaching when they get age of late 30s.Moses pbuh got prophethood in late 30s or early 40 of his age.
על = ALL
עד = UNTIL
for some reason you have אד for UNTIL
הֵן כָּל הַנְּבִיאִים וְהַתּוֹרָה עַד יוֹחָנָן נִבְּאוּ
πάντες γὰρ οἱ προφῆται καὶ ὁ νόμος ἕως Ἰωάνου ἐπροφήτευσαν
I picked up on that as well. עד/until is with letter Ain, not Alef. It would be difficult for a scribe to erroneously confound על/עד in doing transcript. Lameds usually are quite distinct.
prophet jhon the baptist pbuh was the founder whom legacy was further taken forward by jesus bpuh
Dr. Tabor I highly respect your work and study it very much. I have your Genesis translation along with Selections from the Hebrew Bible. I would like to point out when you show the Josephus text and it reads “Now there was about this time, a wise man, IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders” To say “For he was a doer of wonders” Implies the previous sentence to be one who does wonders and in my opinion I don’t think a wise man is typically known to do wonders. A lot of the parts you highlight definitely are extraordinary testaments to Jesus leading it to be questioned but that first part does seem odd to me. And I don’t think the next sentence is the effect of the last, though it could be.
John the Baptizer is the second cousin of Jesus/Joshua and was beheaded by the Roman soldiers.
Johsua/Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate, Governor of Judea.
I dont think its fair to say Luke simply dropped John out on purpose. After all, his gospel is the only one that has Johns birth narrative.
Its also worth noting that John was actually born in December, not Jesus!
...doesn't the movie CEASAR'S Messiah...make it all unnecessary? But, Christianity is so tied-up into real-estate!!
John the Baptizer should be called John the Plunger.
Dr. Tabor, thank you for sharing this lecture.
Makes me wonder if Jesus means John the Baptizer when speaks of his father/ lord?
As I lean towards mythicisim, I am very interested in the beliefs of the people who wrote the stories, so I found this very interesting. That M was the sayings of John the Baptist (JTB) fits well with the idea that Paul or his followers (Mark or Luke) overlaid his Gnostic celestial Jesus on a "student" of JTB. If JTB was the source of Jesus's words, does that make Jesus historical? Or is Jesus a myth that uses the words of the historical JTB ?
The mandaeans don't seem to think Jesus was myth.
I call him "The Big Dipper."
All Jews were descended from Abraham. But Jesus was not descended from David, who was from the tribe of Judah, through his mother Mary, because she was instead a descendant of Aaron from the tribe of Levi. We know this because Luke’s gospel tells us that Mary was a “relative” of Elizabeth, who was a “descendant of Aaron.”
But when Joseph, who was descended from David, married Mary, this also constituted his legal adoption of the son she would bear. The language of Matthew’s genealogy reflects this legal understanding: “Joseph, the husband of Mary . . . the mother of Jesus.”
So Jesus was the son of Joseph in the full legal sense, because he was adopted when Joseph married Mary, and thus Jesus is also considered to be a legal descendant of David.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David, as proclaimed by ...... Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from ... . This is my gospel, Always remember that Jesus Christ, ... descendant of King David, was raised from the dead. This ...
Romans 1:3 regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh,
... the flesh, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who ... to his earthly life was a descendant of David, The Good ... is about his Son. In his earthly life he was born ...
Accordingly Paul can say of Jesus at the beginning of his letter to the Romans, “who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead.”
Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the ...
... "I , Jesus, have sent my angel to give ... I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright ... star." "I , Jesus, have sent My angel ...
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I am greatly torn over John and Jesus for some good reasons.
Mary was told to name her son Emmanuel.
Zacharia, Elizabeth’s husband, was told by angel to name son John.
Mary named her son Jesus.
In Jewish faith firstborn sons are named after their father, and this
is what Zach wanted. Eliz reminded him the angel instructed to name him JOHN.
John was the only child born through a SPIRITUAL (GODLY) birth.
Elizabeth’s womb was miraculously made fertile, young again.
The seed (thought) of JOHN was given to Zach, who told his wife Eliz she will
have a son, name him John, he can never drink alcohol because HE IS SPIRIT, born
SPIRIT, BY HOLY DNA BLOOD.
Before his birth, Holy Water broke to cleanse the earth before him.
Everything tied to JOHN, HIS BIRTH makes sense.
Nothing about Jesus’ birth makes sense.
Zach & Eliz accepted ALL, gladly.
Joseph & Mary did not.
John jumped in the womb. Jesus did not.
The Mary story serves as the bastardizing of a teacher, a miracle worker, man who
told others about the very things John spoke. John dipped in water, yet
BIBLE has no mention of people ridiculing JOHN.
The High Rabbis, priests didn’t like their teachings being corrected by Jesus.
INITIALLY, JEWS were the only FORMED CULT with political influence (MANY followers).
Jesus began contradicting their teachings, money-changing, synagogues.
TRUTH is what humans follow. Jews couldn’t afford to lose followers.
IT IS THE PEOPLE, not the religion, who hold ALL POWER.
John is the Messiah.
The Jewish rabbis, priests were MORE threatened by Jesus than JOHN?
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Herod was concerned JOHN could turn his enormous following against him
if he wanted. When the beheading of JOHN was on the table, HEROD
served Johns head on a platter.
Marginalised? WTF! John the Baptist is one of the most important figures in the gospel narrative (all 4 gospels), Jesus is being depicted to hold John in the highest esteem possible and in addition, in EVERY orthodox Christian Church, the icon of John the Baptist is prominent in the iconostasis literally next to the icon of Jesus.
John never immerse peoples, immersion in water was for the proselytes. John was preaching repentance, but this had nothing to do with sins being forgiven but was a preparation for the coming Messiah who will forgive sins through the Baptism of the Spirit (Born from Heaven) Repentance cannot save, we need faith in Jesus before we repent. Water baptism was a symbol, it came from the law of purification, only Christ blood can purify our sins.
“I BAPTIZE YOU for repentance “ - John
@@HistoryandReviews but not by immersion
@@michelhaineault6654 wrong. Luke 3 says Jesus came up out of the water. Your whole body went under
@@HistoryandReviews you mean Matt.3 ? This do not mean Jesus been immerse in the water at all but that after being baptized he went ''up'' out off the water because HE WALKED UP OUT OF THE WATER now let me show you a LITERAL proof that baptism was not by immersion. Acts16:33 Even at that hour of the night, the jailer cared for them and washed their wounds. Then he and everyone in his household were immediately baptized.
Maybe the jailer had a swimming pool in is housed :)
@@michelhaineault6654 full body immersion PERIOD. And the jailer lived by water 🤡
excellent. but not clear how you can say it is j baps cave.
Surely, you are aware of the Mandaeans, who regard John (the Baptizer) as the final and greatest prophet in a chain of prophets that starts with Adam. Cheers. (Sorry if you mention them. I'm about half-way through the video.)
Sure enough, you do! 😁
"God is able from these stones to raise up children of Abraham." - sorry, but what he means here is very different. Converts to Judaism are given the name "son/daughter of Abraham and Sarah". He means "don't feel special just because you're Jewish, anybody can become Jewish." Straight-up non-Christian, straight-up Jewish stuff. And why would John say otherwise? He's a Jew who ISN'T part of the Jesus movement.... he has his own movement, thanks all the same, and it worships an indivisible Deity that is above any sort of physical form forever.
This might be a statement of the Messianic mode of thinking that one who "comes from the Nations to the worship of G-d" has to convert. It's also might be of the (now standard, then dominant) mode that says that Noahides are a thing, and Gentile G-d-Fearers are fine... but conversion is possible for those who wish it. Either way it means "remember, conversion is a thing and any convert to Judaism is as full a Jew as you are."
It means, have you forgotten the Book of Ruth? David himself is the descendant of a convert, and she is a "daughter of Abraham" in the absolutely full sense because of it. (BTW, they're standing in the former territory of Moab.)
Later on, when Jesus DOES enter the equation, there will be Jamesians and Ebionites. But at this point, from John's point of view, Jesus is probably at most an ally. If Jesus is more than an ally of John's, he's at absolute most a co-Messiah as you said. To John, Jesus is not G-d because only G-d is G-d.
interesting fact about John the Baptist. John derives from Yohanna which means...baptist.
So according to the bible his name was baptist the baptist...
Not his name Yohann Ben Zachariah Hah Cohen son of Zachariah the high priest
You missing elias alias a.k.a helios thats elijah eli eli why have forsaken me.
Elijah = Eli-Yah (God is Yahweh)
When Yeshua = Yah-Shua (Yahweh is salvation) hangs onto the cross he is calling out to God (Eli) and not to Elijah.
7 ¶ And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11 ¶ Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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עלּי (Aramaic)
‛illay
BDB Definition:
1) highest, the Most High
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עלּי
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BDB Definition:
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עלי
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BDB Definition:
Eli = “ascension”
1) descendant of Aaron through Ithamar and high priest and judge of Israel when Samuel entered service as a child
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John the Baptist never baptized anyone! In Judaism, ritual immersion in a living source of water-be it a river, the ocean, or a ritual immersion bath (mikveh)-is self-immersion and if another person touches you while you're fully immersing yourself, then it's invalid and you remain ritually impure. Yochanan was the Causer of Ritual Immersion. This "causative" tense in Hebrew just doesn't translate into the Greek. Yochanan was causing people to ritually immerse themselves in the Jordan River by virtue of what he was saying, which was, "Repent! Because HaShem's Rulership is a present reality!" I don't doubt that Yochanan's disciples went into the water with those performing ritual immersion, because you need someone there to witness that you've gone completely under the water. Why? Because even if a single hair is sticking out of the water or floating on top, then it's invalid and you remain ritually impure. That's why Philip went into the Mediterranean Sea with the Ethiopian eunuch. It wasn't to dunk him backwards, like some evangelical pastor, which, again, would invalidate one's self-immersion; and it wasn't to use a bowl Mandaean style to pour water over the Ethiopian's head. Philip went out into the sea to make sure that the Ethiopian had fully immersed himself per the halakhot and custom of the proto-Rabbinic Jewish Sages. www.chabad.org/.../Positive-Commandment-109.htm
Matthew 23:25-26
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
Matthew 15:2-3
Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the commands of God for the sake of your tradition?"
The profane can only defile the profane, and only the spiritual can defile the spiritual. Water can only cleanse the profane for water belongs to the profane, and only spirit can cleanse the spirit for it belongs to the spiritual.
You don't have what the law requires of you to repent your sins, God has allowed for the destruction of your temple, you have become godlessness. Without baptism of the spirit there can be no repentence of sins, those defiled by sin will not enter the presence of God and his chosen, they will never know the kingdom of God, neither the kingdom that is now nor the kingdom that is to come.
As Yohanan would say; "Repent and get baptised, and the kingdom of God receive you."
45:25 I suffer poltergeistic spiritual attacks everyday in the form of animals, insects, electronic devices, and people.
That’s a daoist prwvtice.
John the Baptist is "Jesus" after his spiritual resurrection or New Birth when he was exalted and received his NEW NAME. Isaiah 62:2, Phillipians 2:9-10. The same new name all elect sons receive. Revelation 3:12. He was written as a new character when it was really referring to the New Man or new creation. Somehow the gospel editors decided to make it into two separate men. Isaiah 40:3 clearly states the one calling in the wilderness will prepare the way for THE FATHER which we know is Spirit. It says nothing about another messiah after John, the greatest prophet to ever live or born among women. A horn of salvation as Matthew and Luke describe. The story got corrupted and edited to promote a pagan virgin birth and a God-man. Both lies of Rome.
No human being is EVER exalted to co-equal status with the Father. Another abomination. Even Jesus/John confirms this. "Why do you call me good, there is none good but God". And also in I Cor John/Jesus says that after the Son has reined and we have out all things under our feet, then the Father will be all in all. He has given us the power and authority temporarily by his Spirit to rule as kings and priests, prophets and suffering servants until His, the father, manifest kingdom is revealed.
John says he must decrease ( carnal old man, 1st Adam) so he can increase (the new man the new creation by the spirit, the last Adam). He's referring to being born of the spirit. John is Jesus which is actually Emmanuel not the name Jesus. We are told this name in Isaiah and Matthew. The word for salvation in hebrew is yeshua. Its a term not a name. When "salvation" comes its referring to the New birth by the Spirit of God being formed within us as a new man. Not a separate messiah named Yeshua. The main reason the characters were made two men was because in the 1st century the sages believed in the doctrine of Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah Ben David, two anointed ones. They are actually one seed the seed of David who was conceived in sin and raised by Jesse. So he has a unknown biological father raised as a son of Jesse from Judah. The two sticks become one thru sin or adultery. Which is another spiritual metaphor. For Sion joining with Jerusalem. And your sons will marry you as Isaiah said. The Sons of God marry the virgin daughters of Sion, the purified gentile bride.
John the Baptizer was a forerunner to the promised Messiah. The prominence was on the Messiah and not on John. Obviously.
Thanks dr. Tabor: after the communist and atheist ideas that I came in contact with in my family, finally I find a good hypothesis about the transition between the pre cristian messianic culture in Judea and the later post Jesus culture that was spreaded through the Roman Empire. The adventure has just begun.
Let's put into perspective. Our God hearing that his cousin just got his head cut off. This is all you need to think about.
Why did the Jews reject John The Baptizer as a prophet?