I dont know if it's a hot take or not but I think Perkz should have stayed in AD role even after leaving G2. He adapted so fast to the role, he looked as good as any top tier adc's who played this role for years, he looked even more natural in ad tole when his peak years mid lane. Another pro League what if story for me, just like what if Bjerg left NA and came back in EU when he was still good
Perkz didn't want to play AD anymore. So you could argue he would look even worse that he does now because he would be playing a role he doesn't want to.
@@seanc.1196 I believe that perkz really enjoyed the role and would have continued if it wasnt for soloqueue supports running it down etc. He is just super good in a nice team that gives him gold leads and that works best for the adc role, however he really hated soloqueue as adc and the dependence that comes from the role
he was insane but he didnt like the adc role ... he never liked the idea that u can be 20/0 take 2 towers bot in 10 mins and still lose and get 1shot by all ppl in the enemy team anyways ....
I think its Caps, Perkz, Bjerg, Jensen and Nisqy all time. But Perkz is My West goat, cause he was the best Mid for a very long time, then switched to adc and became one of the best ADCs in the world.
He was around in LEC for 1 year before Caps and you're saying he was already EU GOAT lmao. By the time Caps arrived Perkz had achieved less than Febiven so chill. As far as just midlane is concerned Perkz has never been the GOAT. Don't get me wrong hes still up there but what puts him in the conversation as western GOAT is the fact that he also roleswapped to adc and instantly became one of the best in that role too.
@@L4R0X Yeah he only singlehandedly beat the tournament favourite at 2018 worlds quaters. That alone makes him more accomplished than any NA player ever and easily the 2nd best western mid of all time.
@@L4R0X How Perkz was not in mid GOAT converstion? He won 4 splits as mid laner and came second vs caps in 2018. He also probably meant Caps arriving as new goat, not to the league. In 2018 he went to semis while beating lpl 1st seed who were tournament favourites, and he smurfed in that series. He was also 2nd in 2017 MSI.
to be fair perkz is not playing constantly insane but there are actually games where he is smurfng hard like games vs faker long ago. for example almost every vit g2 matchup perkz just transforms into faker slayer form and smurfs. he is now just playing supportive role in team where he lets his younger talents shine. also i believe if the meta hits him like he wants it to he would actually be very insane but thats just out of everyones control
Except that he's always been in isolation of NA ever since league matured into the game it is today. Bjergsen was ahead of his time when he started in CW and then stayed in NA when other EU mids actually caught up. I really like Bjergsen, but he's never felt like someone that kept up with the international midlaners. Caps and Perkz have both done that (Perks did that in both mid 2018 and adc 2019)
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 Bjerg's led a team to quarters before (no EU team made it out of groups that year) and took a game over arguably still the best league team ever assembled in Samsung White whether you believed they trolled G3 or not. It's still in the record books. Also, when Bjerg was at his best, there was very little difference between EU and NA. And to be honest, the difference between NA and EU was never significant if you removed Caps. Caps has always been the difference. He's god-tier and better than most all-time great Korean mids too. So that's acceptable.
@@boomshakalaka8567 eh.. na was better in maybe s4… all other seasons eu was quite far ahead of na.. s6 can be argued for. Either way, before caps, eu was already ahead of na…
The disrespect Perkz is getting bc he plays below his standards last 2 years (not bad at all, just like good average mid) is ACTUALLYYYY CRAZY. Like actually crazy, i guess ur recent performances erase the history when he was one of the best mids in the world both in 2017 and 2018.
This is not one simple objective list. Like it's said in the video it depends on the criteria. If it's generally with history included you'd be correct. If not and it's just based on current form Nisqy would be 2nd over Perkz
@@L4R0X It obviously is not on current form if there is Bjergsen in the middle. Also even if it was Caps, Perkz and Nisqy would still be top 3 as Bjergsen is retired and Jensen is nowhere close to the other 3.
Why would anyone respect an opinion from Lebron ? He didn't even make playoffs last year. Why would anyone respect an opinion from Roger Federer when he's ranked 803'rd in the world ? Think about the logic you are using for a second man.
I mean, if we take Jensen out and we look at the peak of all these mids I'd say you put Perkz where Jensen is and keep the list the same. But that being said, Perkz was and shall remain a top5 ADC to me. If he went back to the bot role now I think it would be a bit harder with how things have stepped up, especially with Hans and Crownie actually playing like the star ADCs they were always rumored to be.
No way you put perkz where jensen is at his peak xD he carried them in 2018 and in 2020 roleswap he wasnt bad either considering the circumstance. Perkz peak is next to caps easily and i wouldnt even dare to rank bjerg or jensen close to peak performance in an international level. Also peak nisqy over peak perkz? Ok dude
@@gamewatcher37 Lol, he was off Team on his own choice 😂 And Upset was literally the only one in the mstch who didn't get gapped Him and Kaiser ehen outpressured BDS bot
peak bjergsen was just better than peak perkz i'm sry, season 4 and 5 bjerg was one of the best in the world. after that he went down but his peak was insane. and he did it in NA. also perkz going to adc in the middle of his prime hurt his midlane argument, but he was one of the best botlaners in the world
The funny part is that the question is framed in a weird way. Even though his picks are pretty laughable, the tierlist thing kind of implies one of them is bottom tier when in reality, it doesn't need to be the case. It kinda feels like the question is put there as a way of catching Jensen out, I guess.
Perkz might actually get more despite being way more accomplished. I mean he literally has the most titles of ANY western player as well as the best international results together with his former teamates.
Talking at their peak its 1. Caps 2. Bjerg 3. Nisqy 4. Jensen. Bjergsen dominated the scene for a long time, even when his team was awful he still was the only lane ahead, Jensen never played on a bad team until DIG
I think you're looking at it wrong. This was Jensen seemingly basing it on when he specifically played against these players. Caps took first because on both Fnatic and G2 Caps got the better of him by a lot. Aside from that, he played against Bjergsen the most, and they were neck and neck most of the time, with Jensen having the edge throughout most of the time from 2018 onwards. After Bjergsen, he placed Nisqy which makes sense because it's a completely different style. While Nisqy can help his team beat you by playing around others, he isn't exactly going to go neck and neck in a 1v1 laning scenario. Last was Perkz, because when Jensen played against Perkz, it was a joke version of Perkz.
@@boomshakalaka8567 Clears bjergsen in lane with his left toe nail alone. Ppl are pullin out this narratives that perkz is bad in lane from their asses and its so funny. Perkz played against the best mids in the world Showmaker, Faker, Xiaoho, Rookie etc….not a single time he got completely destroyed or sth. He stood his ground equally to them or even won lane against them (especially Faker and Xiahou back in the day before he wnet to adc), so pls mate stfu and lear a little about history and than talk👍
@@GuyPearce217 this is just what other pro's were saying about him. He never got praise from Eastern mids for his lanning unlike caps jensen and bjerg. When Perkz was in his peak, he had this clutch factor, and could steal away the game, but he diesnt have it anymore. No hate doe, he is still one of my favorite players of all time
Perkz as a player you can put second place. Perkz as a midlaner only? 4th place with Jensen in last (If we're talking about peak forms here). Perkz was getting shit on by every international mid laner before Caps joined G2, it was actually hilarious how weak he was in MSI and Worlds. Only people who never saw those games would put him higher due to 2019-2020 G2 in which he wasn't even a mid laner but made his name go way up.
Lmao clearly u are someone who did not watch Perkz lane kingdom and domination before Caps joined. Delusional and spreading misinformation. Perkz easily at the 2nd spot and arguably 1st.
this is no surprise xD he literally wrote this in their lobby game when c9 faced G2: My Azir is bad My Ryze is worse, You guessed it right, I'm G2 Perkz xD
Keep in mind Perkz wasn't that insane in NA. Like he was successful, a very solid player and great shotcaller that led them to a championship/quarters at worlds, but individually he wasn't dominant
Not really. Nisqy and Bjerg ALWAYS get dumpstered at world and not even by CH and KR mids. I legit have never seen Nisqy win a lane ONCE at worlds ever, but I have seen Perkz solo carry games.
So Jensen who just finished last in LCS which even as an NA fan we clearly have a less competitive league than EU, and you think Jensen deserves second on the list? and perkz #5? lol.
U are delusional my man. If u think Bjergsen, Nisqy and Jensen ar evetter than Perkz just log off and stop watching league. Not a single time did Nisqy won a lane against Perkz for last 2 years, Bjergsen is dogshit for how long already, Jensen i mean that dude is just straight up garbage.
List is correct if you just put jensen on bottom. Bjerg was absolutely godlike in his prime and he stayed consistent. out of everyone on this list pros and high elo players have spoken the highest of Caps and Bjergsen so it makes sense they are #1 and #2. Perks has been shitting the bed since he left G2 and Nisqy and Jensen are just like less influential versions of bjergsen
Bro who would be scared to face bjergsen? Perkz is so much better than bjerg it is simlpy unfair to compare them. Nobody talks highly of Bjergsen other than: "Oh wow he is still playing?". He was at no point in his career a relevant player at international tournament while perkz competed with the likes of showmaker, faker, doinb, bdd. He gapped Ruler and the best adcs in the worlds, as an adc rookie. Bjergs best accomplishment is going 0-6 at worlds. Pls don't compare them it is simply a diffrent league.
@@cryze0965”he was at no point in his career relevant at an international tournament” pretty interesting statement considering he was on the only NA team to ever win an international tournament at IEM back in like 2015. For clarification, only NA team to win an international tournament that included Chinese and Korean teams.
The list was clearly based on Jensen's experience against these players. Caps is 6-0 up on Jensen internationally, he was better than Bjergsen for the majority of time they both played LCS, he is individually better than Nisqy when Nisqy was in LCS even if Nisqy did a bit more for C9, and Perkz was at his worst when he was in NA.
I feel like a lot of the people questioning jensens placement of himself is weird he has always been great and well deserving of top 5 western mids and regardless of mvp's since in na it is largely a popularity vote Jensen was always better than bjerg if you want to put perks 2 thats find but there is no world where Jensen is lower than nisqy or bjerg ever
Perkz was never a amazing mid , he isnt bad but he has to narrow of a champ pool for a midlaner. Perkzs main issue as a player in general is that he is to easily countered in any of his roles ADC or MID, he normally has 2-4 champs is is capable of playing on a LEC/International lvl and compare this to Caps or Faker who has 20-30 champs they can play easily to a worlds lvl. Atleast as a ADC Perkz has the ability to not need to many ADCs since teams rarely ban him out due to caps/Jankos/Wunder needing specifik bans against them leading to ADC beeing overlooked.
??? He nearly solo-carried his team to Semis vs. the tournament favorites in 2018, carried them to MSI finals 2017, carried 4 championships in a row, etc. He was absolutely an amazing mid for a long time. Just zoomers w/e
@@podefunder I didnt say he was bad but he has very very obvious flaws as a player and it has always been his champion pool thats his biggest flaw. He is also not agressive enough / doesnt get advantages in lane often enough and it leads to his team beeing unable to play around him. compare that to Caps he lightyears behind, caps can play more or less anything to good lvl and he can carry if he needs to and he can play support for his team if needed.
THERE IS NO WAY I SEE PPL ARE PUTTING PERKZ BELOW 2nd PLACE. NOOO FKING WAY. Dude is so fking clear of everyone on this list besides Caps who had higher highs while Perkz played adc (literally out best western adc who wasnt even adc main btw). There is no way they are that much delusional. 1. Caps 2. Perkz …anyone else and noones cares(dogshit anyways)
I mean, most pros dont think Perkz is that great. He feeds alot and has pretty bad stats. Most pros that play against him arent impressed and hes meme'd on. And if you think Perkz was a great ADC... you should try to play League.
@@lincolnjohnson4428 XDD. Dude is the best western adc in the history. If u think he wasnt good adc than watch Caps playing it and that bring the conclusion. He was one of the main reasons G2 was good, constantly flex piccking bot. We saw what allegedly “best western adc” did on that team☠️, they didnt even qualify mate👍. So u saying Perkz adc was bad is completely utter bullshit take. And this isnt true at all, ppl are memeing Perkz for last 2 years bc he isnt playing on the level he used to and his teams failed (not his fault cause dude was the most stable part last year). 2016-2018 Perkz clears every single player on this list besides Caps, and 2019-2020 Perkzs adc clears any western adc in history. Also 2018 Perkzs worlds performances was one the best western mids performances in the history. And u sayin he is gettin disrespected is true, but that is solely bc of his form as of rn (which is mediocre yes), but i assure u Perkz is highly respected in asia (they have a nickname for him Park joo, and other nickname when he plays bad. So they always say which Perkz will land now, the godlike one or the trash one. And thats the only meme about him there). I guess only in europe one of the greatest players in western history (Jankos too) can get this much disrespect and backlash from mediocre dogshit players who cant lick his shoes in terms of their peak and accomplishments. (8 lec titles, 1 lcs title, 1 msi). Btw still the player with the most trophies in the west ever. 10 titles. Caps-9
@@GuyPearce217 Not going to ready your wall of text. I am just saying, that pros that played against Perkz have often said that he is "OK". Unlike Rookie saying Jensen/Caps are the best Midlaners in the west. I just go by how pros feel, not about how people feel about them.
@@GuyPearce217 Cool, but we're talking about mids. And as a mid, he was barely above average at his peak. He should've stayed at ADC on G2 and ride a superior mid in Caps to worlds finals.
Caps Perkz Jensen Bjerg Nisqy I put Jensen over Bjerg because Jensen has made multiple deep international runs, Bjerg has only smurfed in pisslow in NA
Peak Bjerg 2016 was also insane. Peak Jensen as well was insane at times. Obviously Caps should be #1, but I think 2-4 are really interchangeable whether you're going off peak or current form between Perkz, bjerg and Jensen. And obviously nisqy #5 cmon now
peak bjerg was 2014 and 2015 (literally one off the best midlaners in the world) , he already fell off a little bit in 2016 (was still very good) he is second on my list but yes definitely very close with perkz and kinda close with jensen
@@bernardorabacal9061 really wonder when this supposed peak was.. i mean the only thing bjerg ever really played against was shittier lcs mids and then his team got shit on in worlds/msi most of the time. Like the dude never made anything further than quarters and that was only once in 2014 worlds, so its really hard to tell when in those 2-4 games a year he played against top tier mids he "peaked"
@@Albertrossus He was 1v9ing every game with trash teammates not good enough for intls. Bjerg not passing through qualifiers is a team issue not an individual one pretty sure if he went EU he would have popped off there. 2014-2020 He's pretty much top 5 mid in the entire west consistently. Especially in 2020 TSM didn't even deserve the first seed if not for Bjerg going ham during lower bracket all the way to winning finals and broke his back in the process. One of the best solo carry performances of all time
No, not professionally. He got banned for ddos attack. The rumour is he used to coach mid for some of the teams though. I think he even played in NA on a team as well but I don't think that counts as professional.
@@Ice_Icemb His peak in what? 2014?? nah man, he was good but not insane, never won in europe nor internationally, id say he is kinda tied with jensen, but thats it (and nisqy did win in europe, so yeah, he better)
@@Ice_Icemb dominating internationally in you fucking dreams. he was getting 10 CS leads while their opponents roamed the map and got kills and objectives. fking herbivore mid laner that never did anything internationally getting praised by NA bots
Current Nisqy leagues better than current Perkz and Bjorg (at end carrer). Jenses is trash mid compared to others sry. And Caps playing utility role now, so when he back to carry champions, than we talk. Perkz was one of the worst mid this split.
What the hell was that? Like fine, call yourself 2nd best, being biased for your own play is whatever...but seriously the 0/6 at worlds Bjergsen ranked higher than Perkz and Niqsy the fuck?
I'd pretty much agree with this list, as he said he doesn't know what else the players bring to the team but overall mechanics and gameplay Perkz would be arguably above Nisqy only.
perzk is most definitely not above caps as a midlaner. in fact, perkz himself will say that caps is better than him, that's why he swapped to adc. caps was the only guy that perkz was willing to give his role to.only year perkz was better than caps was 2017 and that was rookie caps. from 2018 onward, caps has always been the best EU mid
Perkz is giga washed, i can see him still being a super good teammate and motivational in a team environment, shotcalling as well and being the voice of the team, but mechanically he is average right now
@@GuyPearce217 No he's not lol. Perkz was already average mechanically at his peak. Now he's just dogshit. To even put him in the same sentence as Caps mechanically is an insult. Caps is world class. Perkz isn't even a good EU mid.
I dont know if it's a hot take or not but I think Perkz should have stayed in AD role even after leaving G2. He adapted so fast to the role, he looked as good as any top tier adc's who played this role for years, he looked even more natural in ad tole when his peak years mid lane. Another pro League what if story for me, just like what if Bjerg left NA and came back in EU when he was still good
Perkz didn't want to play AD anymore. So you could argue he would look even worse that he does now because he would be playing a role he doesn't want to.
@@seanc.1196 I believe that perkz really enjoyed the role and would have continued if it wasnt for soloqueue supports running it down etc. He is just super good in a nice team that gives him gold leads and that works best for the adc role, however he really hated soloqueue as adc and the dependence that comes from the role
@@farinthefuture2178 he also said that he feels kinda useless/less impactful and just feels less natural for him to play farming simulator in botlane
he was insane but he didnt like the adc role ... he never liked the idea that u can be 20/0 take 2 towers bot in 10 mins and still lose and get 1shot by all ppl in the enemy team anyways ....
He was a good adc but only on like 2-3 marksman. His real strength came i to flexing in g2 drafts with the syndra and yasuo flex
all im saying is they haven't played against the goat ruby
He is going to tsm so they will soon 😎
I think its Caps, Perkz, Bjerg, Jensen and Nisqy all time. But Perkz is My West goat, cause he was the best Mid for a very long time, then switched to adc and became one of the best ADCs in the world.
Perkz MSI 2017 was truly insane too. Only player that could challange Faker that tournament.
That's not true Xiye also gapped Faker at that tournament
People forget Perkz was the EU GOAT midlaner before Caps arrives
He was around in LEC for 1 year before Caps and you're saying he was already EU GOAT lmao. By the time Caps arrived Perkz had achieved less than Febiven so chill. As far as just midlane is concerned Perkz has never been the GOAT. Don't get me wrong hes still up there but what puts him in the conversation as western GOAT is the fact that he also roleswapped to adc and instantly became one of the best in that role too.
Xpeke?????
@@L4R0X Yeah he only singlehandedly beat the tournament favourite at 2018 worlds quaters. That alone makes him more accomplished than any NA player ever and easily the 2nd best western mid of all time.
@@L4R0X How Perkz was not in mid GOAT converstion? He won 4 splits as mid laner and came second vs caps in 2018. He also probably meant Caps arriving as new goat, not to the league. In 2018 he went to semis while beating lpl 1st seed who were tournament favourites, and he smurfed in that series. He was also 2nd in 2017 MSI.
to be fair perkz is not playing constantly insane but there are actually games where he is smurfng hard like games vs faker long ago. for example almost every vit g2 matchup perkz just transforms into faker slayer form and smurfs. he is now just playing supportive role in team where he lets his younger talents shine. also i believe if the meta hits him like he wants it to he would actually be very insane but thats just out of everyones control
G2 vs RNG game 5 Perkzs LB going 11/0 for example. Overall whole series Perkz was outperforming.
bjergsen in peak form was really good so it makes sense
Except that he's always been in isolation of NA ever since league matured into the game it is today. Bjergsen was ahead of his time when he started in CW and then stayed in NA when other EU mids actually caught up. I really like Bjergsen, but he's never felt like someone that kept up with the international midlaners. Caps and Perkz have both done that (Perks did that in both mid 2018 and adc 2019)
That's fair. He was 5th best EU mid just behind Nukeduck. That's no joke. Especially in that era. Also 1st best NA means something...in theory.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 Bjerg's led a team to quarters before (no EU team made it out of groups that year) and took a game over arguably still the best league team ever assembled in Samsung White whether you believed they trolled G3 or not. It's still in the record books. Also, when Bjerg was at his best, there was very little difference between EU and NA. And to be honest, the difference between NA and EU was never significant if you removed Caps. Caps has always been the difference. He's god-tier and better than most all-time great Korean mids too. So that's acceptable.
@@boomshakalaka8567 eh.. na was better in maybe s4… all other seasons eu was quite far ahead of na.. s6 can be argued for. Either way, before caps, eu was already ahead of na…
Internationally he was never really competing with the best from EU/CN/KR
In their prime it'd be caps perkz/bjerg (either can be second imho followed by the latter in third) jensen nisqy
Jensen is a mini Soren…
hes not NA biased, hes dansih biased
The disrespect Perkz is getting bc he plays below his standards last 2 years (not bad at all, just like good average mid) is ACTUALLYYYY CRAZY. Like actually crazy, i guess ur recent performances erase the history when he was one of the best mids in the world both in 2017 and 2018.
He's not talking about recently...otherwise bjerg wouldnt be 3rd. Overall
Na he’s talking about laners not players perkz wasn’t a great laner but he was a great player
@@deliberation6022 He said peak and I'd still take Perkz's peak over Bjerg's
@@OMAR-vk9pi
He used to be an exceptional laner he won splits for G2 through his mechanical prowess and teamfighting.
Jensen never played vs. peak Perkz in mid. Maybe scrimmed some at worlds but that's it
Stealing the ranking method from the guy below me:
Impact outside the game: Perkz, Caps, Bjergsen, Nisqy, Jensen
Accolades: Caps, Perkz, Bjerg, Jensen, Nisqy
Current Skill: Caps, Nisqy, Perkz, Jensen, Bjerg
Peak: Caps, Perkz, Bjergsen, Jensen, Nisqy
Actually..Impact outside might be Nisqy number 1..because he Improved the MAD atmosphere from 7th position to worlds
@@yousufzohair4342 Perkz got NA out of groups brother vs an EU team on top of it.
If we only talk about midlane you maybe maybe switch peak Bjergsen and Perkz, outside of that good list!
Really caps current skill over nisqy? This was probably one of caps worst splits inna while
W LIST. Someone with a brain here. I saw ppl put Perkz below 2nd☠️
Easiest ranking ever:
1) Caps
2) Perkz
3) Bjergsen
4) Nisqy
Everything else is wrong.
This is not one simple objective list. Like it's said in the video it depends on the criteria. If it's generally with history included you'd be correct. If not and it's just based on current form Nisqy would be 2nd over Perkz
@@L4R0X It obviously is not on current form if there is Bjergsen in the middle. Also even if it was Caps, Perkz and Nisqy would still be top 3 as Bjergsen is retired and Jensen is nowhere close to the other 3.
perkz is 5th no question plz that guy was so bad all around "my ryze is bad my azir is worst"
Perkz indeed was insane in 2018. You kinda have to be to finish top 4 at worlds. I wonder which other midlanders were also top 4 in that year?
Claps 😉
@@alexandereichenseer1326 also, jensen :)
Why would anyone respect an opinion from the 10th ranked midlaner in LCS?
Let's respect your opinion instead. Rank 3 million solo queue player.
@@boomshakalaka8567 My opinion doesn't matter thats why i didnt share one.
Come on man Jensen is at least top 10 western mids all time
Why would anyone respect an opinion from Lebron ? He didn't even make playoffs last year. Why would anyone respect an opinion from Roger Federer when he's ranked 803'rd in the world ? Think about the logic you are using for a second man.
@@payload1174 Its true though why respect LeFraud??? LeChina will get schooled by Curry
Im not even gonna watch the video, but those names and Bjergsen 3rd is a joke. Bjergsen is much better than all of those oompa loompas
I mean, if we take Jensen out and we look at the peak of all these mids I'd say you put Perkz where Jensen is and keep the list the same. But that being said, Perkz was and shall remain a top5 ADC to me. If he went back to the bot role now I think it would be a bit harder with how things have stepped up, especially with Hans and Crownie actually playing like the star ADCs they were always rumored to be.
No way you leavw out Upset, he's the best ADC by far in the league😂
No way you put perkz where jensen is at his peak xD he carried them in 2018 and in 2020 roleswap he wasnt bad either considering the circumstance. Perkz peak is next to caps easily and i wouldnt even dare to rank bjerg or jensen close to peak performance in an international level. Also peak nisqy over peak perkz? Ok dude
@@punkypiegd9917 bro he said he would switch them means: Caps>Perkz>Bjerg>nisqy>Jensen...
@@rafiii1128 he is nowhere close to that, did you even watch BDS vs VIT??? There's a reason he wasn't on a team in winter.
@@gamewatcher37 Lol, he was off Team on his own choice 😂
And Upset was literally the only one in the mstch who didn't get gapped
Him and Kaiser ehen outpressured BDS bot
If I want hear delusional tier of midlaners I would ask about marvel characters,but I love to hear caedral reactions
peak bjergsen was just better than peak perkz i'm sry, season 4 and 5 bjerg was one of the best in the world. after that he went down but his peak was insane. and he did it in NA. also perkz going to adc in the middle of his prime hurt his midlane argument, but he was one of the best botlaners in the world
Might as well tell me about OEAK BJERG INTERNATIONAL PERFORMANCE. 😂
The funny part is that the question is framed in a weird way. Even though his picks are pretty laughable, the tierlist thing kind of implies one of them is bottom tier when in reality, it doesn't need to be the case. It kinda feels like the question is put there as a way of catching Jensen out, I guess.
Bjerg slander is insane in every thread I swear. There will never be a player as good as him both in and out of game getting this much hate.
what?
In this case it's justified seeing as at least 3 of the players are literally better than him
Perkz might actually get more despite being way more accomplished. I mean he literally has the most titles of ANY western player as well as the best international results together with his former teamates.
@@Nikolai-pf1dm people just hate his cockiness which i never understand. Doesnt matter how good he is if he's cocky in peoples eyes
@@KlaidasM says who?
Jensen smoking that Stardog
Peak Forms:
Caps
Perkz
Bjergsen
Jensen
Nisqy
it sounds like he’s just going off personal experience when he’s played against them
Talking at their peak its 1. Caps 2. Bjerg 3. Nisqy 4. Jensen. Bjergsen dominated the scene for a long time, even when his team was awful he still was the only lane ahead, Jensen never played on a bad team until DIG
I assume you just forgot perkz was in that discussion and not that you rated him 5th among these 5 instead of 1 or 2
@@attitudeRKO1 yeah I did forget he was mentioned, I have him at 3 behind peak Bjerg
I think you're looking at it wrong. This was Jensen seemingly basing it on when he specifically played against these players. Caps took first because on both Fnatic and G2 Caps got the better of him by a lot. Aside from that, he played against Bjergsen the most, and they were neck and neck most of the time, with Jensen having the edge throughout most of the time from 2018 onwards. After Bjergsen, he placed Nisqy which makes sense because it's a completely different style. While Nisqy can help his team beat you by playing around others, he isn't exactly going to go neck and neck in a 1v1 laning scenario. Last was Perkz, because when Jensen played against Perkz, it was a joke version of Perkz.
Oh hey I was the guy who was interviewing 😁
He sided with his fellow danes, you can’t blame him.
caedrel arguing with himself
This man is smoking some good shit lmaoo
Noway4u even says Perkz is really bad in soloq and always ints
He is limit testing bro😎🤙🏻
His laning has always been average. He was never on Bjergsen's level in lane.
@@boomshakalaka8567 Clears bjergsen in lane with his left toe nail alone. Ppl are pullin out this narratives that perkz is bad in lane from their asses and its so funny. Perkz played against the best mids in the world Showmaker, Faker, Xiaoho, Rookie etc….not a single time he got completely destroyed or sth. He stood his ground equally to them or even won lane against them (especially Faker and Xiahou back in the day before he wnet to adc), so pls mate stfu and lear a little about history and than talk👍
@@GuyPearce217 this is just what other pro's were saying about him. He never got praise from Eastern mids for his lanning unlike caps jensen and bjerg.
When Perkz was in his peak, he had this clutch factor, and could steal away the game, but he diesnt have it anymore. No hate doe, he is still one of my favorite players of all time
@@localhobo5362 Caps good laning? Lmao
Peak Bjergsen is 2nd in that list
Best and greatest not the same innit, we know who the greatest of all of time in the west
The correct list is
Caps
Perkz
Jensen
Bjergsen
Nisqy
Perkz as a player you can put second place. Perkz as a midlaner only? 4th place with Jensen in last (If we're talking about peak forms here). Perkz was getting shit on by every international mid laner before Caps joined G2, it was actually hilarious how weak he was in MSI and Worlds. Only people who never saw those games would put him higher due to 2019-2020 G2 in which he wasn't even a mid laner but made his name go way up.
Lmao clearly u are someone who did not watch Perkz lane kingdom and domination before Caps joined. Delusional and spreading misinformation. Perkz easily at the 2nd spot and arguably 1st.
Caps, Jensen, Nisqy, Berj, Perkz.
this is no surprise xD he literally wrote this in their lobby game when c9 faced G2: My Azir is bad My Ryze is worse, You guessed it right, I'm G2 Perkz xD
Overall considering the entirety of their time as pros:
1. Perkz
2. Caps
3. Jensen
4. Bjergsen
5. Nisqy
Perkz and caps 2018 pushed each other so far, rekless was just a better AD than Zven at the time and bwipo was a monster upcoming talent top
yes FNC rekkles was better than TSM zven :D G2 had hyarnan and wadid botlane in 2018, bwipo was really good but wunder was also insanely good
Perkz in current form is doggy doo
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Keep in mind Perkz wasn't that insane in NA. Like he was successful, a very solid player and great shotcaller that led them to a championship/quarters at worlds, but individually he wasn't dominant
He was disappointing af after coming from his G2 performances. Still a bit bitter as a C9 fan
Imagine thinking you know this as a random fan.
Jensen got balls putting himself 2nd 😂😂😂
Perkz fanboy here: he is right.. 😭
Not really. Nisqy and Bjerg ALWAYS get dumpstered at world and not even by CH and KR mids. I legit have never seen Nisqy win a lane ONCE at worlds ever, but I have seen Perkz solo carry games.
He's literally the 2nd most accomplished mid laner in EU lmao
So Jensen who just finished last in LCS which even as an NA fan we clearly have a less competitive league than EU, and you think Jensen deserves second on the list? and perkz #5? lol.
U are delusional my man. If u think Bjergsen, Nisqy and Jensen ar evetter than Perkz just log off and stop watching league. Not a single time did Nisqy won a lane against Perkz for last 2 years, Bjergsen is dogshit for how long already, Jensen i mean that dude is just straight up garbage.
@@Nortunie I mean ofc he will rate himself highly and realistically you can make a case for Jensen third
List is correct if you just put jensen on bottom. Bjerg was absolutely godlike in his prime and he stayed consistent. out of everyone on this list pros and high elo players have spoken the highest of Caps and Bjergsen so it makes sense they are #1 and #2. Perks has been shitting the bed since he left G2 and Nisqy and Jensen are just like less influential versions of bjergsen
Bro who would be scared to face bjergsen? Perkz is so much better than bjerg it is simlpy unfair to compare them. Nobody talks highly of Bjergsen other than: "Oh wow he is still playing?". He was at no point in his career a relevant player at international tournament while perkz competed with the likes of showmaker, faker, doinb, bdd. He gapped Ruler and the best adcs in the worlds, as an adc rookie. Bjergs best accomplishment is going 0-6 at worlds. Pls don't compare them it is simply a diffrent league.
@@cryze0965”he was at no point in his career relevant at an international tournament” pretty interesting statement considering he was on the only NA team to ever win an international tournament at IEM back in like 2015. For clarification, only NA team to win an international tournament that included Chinese and Korean teams.
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@@cryze0965 Tell me you started watching league in 2020 without telling me you started watching league in 2020 D:
The list was clearly based on Jensen's experience against these players. Caps is 6-0 up on Jensen internationally, he was better than Bjergsen for the majority of time they both played LCS, he is individually better than Nisqy when Nisqy was in LCS even if Nisqy did a bit more for C9, and Perkz was at his worst when he was in NA.
I feel like a lot of the people questioning jensens placement of himself is weird he has always been great and well deserving of top 5 western mids and regardless of mvp's since in na it is largely a popularity vote Jensen was always better than bjerg if you want to put perks 2 thats find but there is no world where Jensen is lower than nisqy or bjerg ever
Gigachad Jensen spitting facts about Perkz here
Caps, Nisqy, Bjergsen, Perkz rn, overall not sure
Like hes NA so ofc hes delusionally biased to NA, but perkz is the worst eu mid from those 3
Perkz was never a amazing mid , he isnt bad but he has to narrow of a champ pool for a midlaner.
Perkzs main issue as a player in general is that he is to easily countered in any of his roles ADC or MID, he normally has 2-4 champs is is capable of playing on a LEC/International lvl and compare this to Caps or Faker who has 20-30 champs they can play easily to a worlds lvl.
Atleast as a ADC Perkz has the ability to not need to many ADCs since teams rarely ban him out due to caps/Jankos/Wunder needing specifik bans against them leading to ADC beeing overlooked.
??? He nearly solo-carried his team to Semis vs. the tournament favorites in 2018, carried them to MSI finals 2017, carried 4 championships in a row, etc. He was absolutely an amazing mid for a long time. Just zoomers w/e
lay off whatever ure smoking man
@@podefunder I didnt say he was bad but he has very very obvious flaws as a player and it has always been his champion pool thats his biggest flaw. He is also not agressive enough / doesnt get advantages in lane often enough and it leads to his team beeing unable to play around him.
compare that to Caps he lightyears behind, caps can play more or less anything to good lvl and he can carry if he needs to and he can play support for his team if needed.
Nisqy is CRIMINALLY underrated in my opinion,
Na. Just not that good. He's close to Jenssen level, but nowhere near the other 3. Not even close.
It's just the fact that he's shit internationally that makes me question his skill.
he cant be talking about current skill cause lil bro put himself second as 10th place xdd
THERE IS NO WAY I SEE PPL ARE PUTTING PERKZ BELOW 2nd PLACE. NOOO FKING WAY. Dude is so fking clear of everyone on this list besides Caps who had higher highs while Perkz played adc (literally out best western adc who wasnt even adc main btw). There is no way they are that much delusional.
1. Caps
2. Perkz
…anyone else and noones cares(dogshit anyways)
I mean, most pros dont think Perkz is that great. He feeds alot and has pretty bad stats. Most pros that play against him arent impressed and hes meme'd on.
And if you think Perkz was a great ADC... you should try to play League.
@@lincolnjohnson4428 XDD. Dude is the best western adc in the history. If u think he wasnt good adc than watch Caps playing it and that bring the conclusion. He was one of the main reasons G2 was good, constantly flex piccking bot. We saw what allegedly “best western adc” did on that team☠️, they didnt even qualify mate👍. So u saying Perkz adc was bad is completely utter bullshit take. And this isnt true at all, ppl are memeing Perkz for last 2 years bc he isnt playing on the level he used to and his teams failed (not his fault cause dude was the most stable part last year). 2016-2018 Perkz clears every single player on this list besides Caps, and 2019-2020 Perkzs adc clears any western adc in history. Also 2018 Perkzs worlds performances was one the best western mids performances in the history. And u sayin he is gettin disrespected is true, but that is solely bc of his form as of rn (which is mediocre yes), but i assure u Perkz is highly respected in asia (they have a nickname for him Park joo, and other nickname when he plays bad. So they always say which Perkz will land now, the godlike one or the trash one. And thats the only meme about him there). I guess only in europe one of the greatest players in western history (Jankos too) can get this much disrespect and backlash from mediocre dogshit players who cant lick his shoes in terms of their peak and accomplishments. (8 lec titles, 1 lcs title, 1 msi). Btw still the player with the most trophies in the west ever. 10 titles. Caps-9
@@GuyPearce217 Not going to ready your wall of text. I am just saying, that pros that played against Perkz have often said that he is "OK". Unlike Rookie saying Jensen/Caps are the best Midlaners in the west.
I just go by how pros feel, not about how people feel about them.
@@GuyPearce217 Cool, but we're talking about mids. And as a mid, he was barely above average at his peak. He should've stayed at ADC on G2 and ride a superior mid in Caps to worlds finals.
@@boomshakalaka8567 ah yes my favorite average midlaner that gapped xiaohu in worlds 2018
Jensen can actually beat all of them tbh (and vice-versa)
Caps Perkz Jensen Bjerg Nisqy
I put Jensen over Bjerg because Jensen has made multiple deep international runs, Bjerg has only smurfed in pisslow in NA
love how all 5 are European mids lol
I'm pretty sure that was the point of the question
If i think of worse Mids Ever Jensen is totally top 3 . And he was also gapped by Bjerg like a thousand times .
Bjergsen was the best to touch the game
Peak Bjerg 2016 was also insane. Peak Jensen as well was insane at times. Obviously Caps should be #1, but I think 2-4 are really interchangeable whether you're going off peak or current form between Perkz, bjerg and Jensen. And obviously nisqy #5 cmon now
peak bjerg was 2014 and 2015 (literally one off the best midlaners in the world) , he already fell off a little bit in 2016 (was still very good) he is second on my list but yes definitely very close with perkz and kinda close with jensen
Ive always said this, Perkz was better adc than mid. Also I respect Jensen for not going full delusional and actually putting Caps 1st
1. Caps
2. Perkz
3. Nisqy
4. Jensen
5. Bjerg
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No matter what, Caps is the western goat, its an easy pick these days
hottest take of all times , Hai>Bjergerson>Jensen rest
Caps
Perkz
Bjergsen
Nisqy
Jensen
Every other List is just wrong xD
As a proplay fanboy...
Impact outside the game: Bjerg, Caps, Perkz, Jensen, Nisqy
Accolades: Caps, Perkz, Bjerg, Jensen, Nisqy
Current Skill: Caps, Nisqy, Perkz, Jensen, Bjerg
Peak: Caps, Bjerg, Perkz, Jensen, Nisqy
Bjerg second on peak? LMAOOOOOO
Yeah Bjerg peak is still stuck in groups, Perkz > Bjerg by a mile
@@bernardorabacal9061 really wonder when this supposed peak was.. i mean the only thing bjerg ever really played against was shittier lcs mids and then his team got shit on in worlds/msi most of the time. Like the dude never made anything further than quarters and that was only once in 2014 worlds, so its really hard to tell when in those 2-4 games a year he played against top tier mids he "peaked"
Bro nisqy's impact is definetly the best
@@Albertrossus He was 1v9ing every game with trash teammates not good enough for intls. Bjerg not passing through qualifiers is a team issue not an individual one pretty sure if he went EU he would have popped off there. 2014-2020 He's pretty much top 5 mid in the entire west consistently. Especially in 2020 TSM didn't even deserve the first seed if not for Bjerg going ham during lower bracket all the way to winning finals and broke his back in the process. One of the best solo carry performances of all time
Does this Jensen guy even play league?
No, not professionally. He got banned for ddos attack. The rumour is he used to coach mid for some of the teams though. I think he even played in NA on a team as well but I don't think that counts as professional.
Peak: Caps, perkz, nisqy jensen bjergsen (and nisqy is top 3 just cuz of this hear me out: he isnt fucking playing in NA)
It’s wild to put nisqy and Jensen over bjerg for peak. Bjerg at his peak was insanely good even at a global scale.
@@Ice_Icemb His peak in what? 2014?? nah man, he was good but not insane, never won in europe nor internationally, id say he is kinda tied with jensen, but thats it (and nisqy did win in europe, so yeah, he better)
@@skykrvadc6324 we are talking about skill not accolades. He was dominating mid even internationally while his team would fall apart.
@@Ice_Icemb dominating internationally in you fucking dreams. he was getting 10 CS leads while their opponents roamed the map and got kills and objectives. fking herbivore mid laner that never did anything internationally getting praised by NA bots
@@Ice_Icemb I talked about peak level, and bejergsen nowadays wouldnt even be average in EU, so yeah, nisqy better, by far
Current Nisqy leagues better than current Perkz and Bjorg (at end carrer). Jenses is trash mid compared to others sry. And Caps playing utility role now, so when he back to carry champions, than we talk. Perkz was one of the worst mid this split.
What the hell was that? Like fine, call yourself 2nd best, being biased for your own play is whatever...but seriously the 0/6 at worlds Bjergsen ranked higher than Perkz and Niqsy the fuck?
But Perkz is legit worse than Nisqy. dont know about NA guys
Jenses list is delusional tbh
I'd pretty much agree with this list, as he said he doesn't know what else the players bring to the team but overall mechanics and gameplay Perkz would be arguably above Nisqy only.
NA delusion
NA Perkz won more than them all
CAPS > PERKZ > BJERG > NISQY > JENSEN
CAPS
Bjergsen
NISQY
PERKZ
JENSEN
My ryze is bad, my azir is worse. Who could i be? I'm G2 perkz
G2 didnt pass groups on worlds since Perkz left 3 years ago btw. Dude is so bad
na brain
NA mids are so delusional.
10th place LCS mid laner talking xdd
Nisqy worst in everything in all categories
Nisqy is definitely not the worst right now
Nisqy is second, arguably (ARGUABLY) 1st when it comes to current performance
Perkz is n1 its ok itll be proven soon enough caps has a higher peak but perkz is the best overall
there is no world where Perkz is above Caps as a midlaner
perzk is most definitely not above caps as a midlaner. in fact, perkz himself will say that caps is better than him, that's why he swapped to adc. caps was the only guy that perkz was willing to give his role to.only year perkz was better than caps was 2017 and that was rookie caps. from 2018 onward, caps has always been the best EU mid
Perkz is giga washed, i can see him still being a super good teammate and motivational in a team environment, shotcalling as well and being the voice of the team, but mechanically he is average right now
@@Nix-wf3pv mechanically he is completely completely fine. Ppl are pullin this conclusions out their asses
@@GuyPearce217 No he's not lol. Perkz was already average mechanically at his peak. Now he's just dogshit. To even put him in the same sentence as Caps mechanically is an insult. Caps is world class. Perkz isn't even a good EU mid.
isnt jensen like lock screen andy / no map awareness enjoyer
Yes, even in 2019 he had to have Corejj bail him out on thresh so many times from ganks