I am the player in the video. Harstem was harsh, but nothing that I can't handle. I would have appreciated more ways to improve and less personal roasting though. I am on my master's degree and am doing just fine writing in academic English even if it isn't my primary language. I do agree with all his critical points on my gameplay it was not my best game... the reason I didn't leave even when I thought the game was over is that I never give up. In the end, the roasting is also what makes these IODIS fun, :D
Then I (and others, I'm pretty confident) wish you all the best with your exams! This is just a game of course, and Kevin is expected to make a show of any given complaint, either for the sweet or the bitter. Now a little roast by me: in which academy do they write in English like that you've used into the form?
@@mynickisrick1478 "City name left out" Business School - I did not look over what I had written down - it was just thoughts going straight to the form. It might not be as well-written as it would be in an academic paper of course.
The analogy of the day is: ”This is a little bit like going from Germany to New York, except rather than flighting straight to New York, you first go to South Africa, wait 20 minutes inside of the airport because you are not allowed to leave, and then, as you finally see New York, your aeroplane does a nose dive into the Atlantic Ocean.” The analogy explains the suboptimal use of a prism, which remained idle for 45 seconds before dying a painful and senseless death. Critics have noticed that the analogy uses the rhetorical technique known as “hyperbole”, as the time that you would waste flying from Germany to New York via Cape Town is, in fact, higher than 45 seconds. Furthermore, this unnecessary journey would lead to much higher carbon emissions, being thus harmful to the environment as well. The suboptimal use of the prism, however, does not lead to higher emissions.
A comparative analysis of the cost of the lost prism with the cost of the lost plane leads the controversy even further when factoring the economical and social costs of each aircraft, as well as those of their passenger. Notably, archons are known to have an extremely limited lifetime, and being extremely haughty and insufferable in the meantime, making their premature death a potentially positive outcome, according to some proponents.
Harstem's grasp of english grammatical structure is astonishing. Like... I'm an American, with no pressure to learn a foreign language, and I've spent years studying this language just to know what Harstem knows, who is speaking this as at least his second language.
23:25 I'm pretty sure that protosses teleportation isn't the same technology as terrans'. We need an SC lore expert here to explain what it actually is, probably has something to do with "the void" or Xel'naga. EDIT: Recall is a protoss ability used to transport matter over spatial distances. This is accomplished by creating tears in space-time and moving objects through those tears. Source: Starcraft wiki
Real world teleportation is very similar to what harstem said. The theory i heard that's the most plausible is you are dematerialized, then the genetic make up and all the information that makes you, you, is reassembled at the other location. The video i watched on it then took a huge dive into the make up of a soul and if you are really more than just the sum of your parts.
@@BrEAcHxROWDY lol, that is the Star Trek transporter. I don't think I'd call that realistic. Also it's not actually a transportation device. It's a murder machine on one end. And the other end makes a copy of you. Which is a godlike power that is all but impossible. To reconstitute a human being including their memories. Ridiculous. A Dyson Sphere would be easier.
@@Dragon-Believer What does a Dyson Sphere have to do with anything? And Star Trek isn't the only ones using such a theory for teleportation. Stargates seems to work in a very similar fashion. They dematerializes things that crosses the event horizon of an artificial wormhole, the Stargate stores the information and sends it to another Stargate vast distances away via subspace and/or the wormhole to another Stargate which then rematerializes it on the other side. That's how I understand it anyway, in a nutshell.
@@Dragon-Believer But yeah that it's "not actually a transportation device." But a "murder machine on one end. And the other end makes a copy of you." is what we're saying how "teleportation" could be achieved. You're not actually transporting any material over distances, but the end result would be teleportation if you would step into a machine that records exactly every single atom in its exact relative position to eachother and send that information to another similar device that then kind of "3D prints" every single atom. Of course if you don't disappear from the first location it would just be a copy machine, but if the recording would require you to step through a Stargate like in the Television series then you'd disappear from the original location before appearing on the recieving end of that wormhole that the Stargate is connected to. Sorry for messy explanation, but I'm kind of like Spotlight (from the IODIS) when it comes to writing I think.
@@ingainloggningsnamn yeah, but that is silly. There are a bunch of miracle technologies there. It's not just a bunch of atoms. There are chemical bonds. They are molecules. Those molecules are attached to a bunch of other molecules. You can't 3d print a person. It isn't a dollhouse. There are just so many problems. It's living tissue. It isn't bolted together. Forming chemical bonds creates heat. You can't cook a person at 1000 degrees.
Dear Harstem - you are completely correct about the teleportation issue. If probes were real and we would want the probes to be teleported without any delay in the real world, then we would need to use the only "teleport" our science knows until this point - quantum entanglement. This way not the particles building the probe are transported through space, but the quantum information - the quantum state of every particle. This information would be teleported as an instant, without any delay (this is how quantum entanglement works). But this means that the probe would be killed in one spot and rebuilt in another. If it would still have been the same probe afterwards, that is an another question. I think calling it another version of the same probe was also spot on. Good job, Harstem!
A good comment! But a minor note: It is slightly misleading to say that information is transmitted instantly in a quantum teleportation scenario. Information is exchanged (classically!) ahead of time in the course of preparing entanglement between distant quantum memories, at which point "teleportation" just amounts to an entanglement swapping operation. In other words, classical information about prepared distant correlations is shared ahead of time, and then we can rearrange the correlations between particles so that the location to which a quantum state corresponds changes. Saying that there is "instananeous" information exchange neglects the operations an observer needs to perform to prepare a Bell-like state to begin with. The preparation step is still limited by the speed of light. So the complete quantum information allowing the probes to be "copied" (I agree this is reasonable terminology) can in principle be instantly transferred *if* e.g. the different nexii share a sufficiently large pre-prepared entangled state before the recall is used.
@@anothercreatureofthesea1412 Thanks! And thanks for your valuable insight, I probably should have mentioned the observation delay too :) Didn't want my comment to be too long, but the prepared entangled quantum states are also needed of course :) Happy Holidays!!!
One thing about invisible units is that just being able to see them doesn't mean you countered them. If your opponent has 12 dts you have 20 marines with a scan. That doesn't mean your going to win that fight. Same thing with lurkers just because you can see them don't mean your gonna win.
@@Dragon-Believer DTs I agree, but Lurkers will fight extremely well against many different compositions while DTs will die against practically everything.
@@alalala132whyisthishandletaken wrong. 20 marines can beat 30 ovies. 20 marines can beat a bunch of slow lings. Resources vs resources doesn’t matter. Or zerg would win literally every single game. Bad examples. How about lingbane vs marauder marine. The ling bane costs more almost 100% of the time
You are mostly correct about the teleporter theory. You are only missing the point that the destruction of the original happens as an unavoidable side effect of gathering all the information. So it's not getting all the information, then destroying the original, send the information and rebuild a copy at the destination, but rather gathering the information and destroying the original is one and the same process. Still the Protoss technology isn't teleporting but warping. In warp theory you don't manipulate the object you want to move at all. You rather warp space itself in a way that brings the point of origin closer to the point of destination. Like folding a piece of paper so that the opposite sides touch each other. As far as I know both principles are viable by theory of physics.
Yeah, I'm 3k3 and get fucked by lurker, every single time. And Zergs at my level Loveee to go lurker, cause they and I all know its an insta loss. So the other 2 races I play whatever build I have in mind, but for zerg I either 2 base all in or do Harstem's 7 gate 2 immortal zealot attack
Nah lol i just hit diamond and i have to air toss every game especially against toss itself. Whoever does carriers first tends to win. Pvp for me is either about winning with 2 immortals early or getting more carriers and fighting in my batteries. Sometimes i win from 2 adepts just eating his probes.
I as well struggle against lurkers Because: siege up tanks; siege up libs (one at a time); stim and move infantry away; snipe with ghosts; scan Zerg: almost always a-clicks and burrows lurkers - that’s it; usage of casters is optional Just too much action for me(
@@IvanKolyada You act like you HAVE to use all of those strats at the same time. Sometimes just one of those works. Sometimes a-moving a group of five banshees that has a mommy raven on them is all you need lol
Harstem, always looking forward to your new videos! I could probably write an entire article to list the things I like in those, but a youtube algorithm probably already gives you a better insight anyway, so keep doing great work and have fun while at it!
God, I remember doing triple Forges in SC1 but that was mainly due to the fact that in order to get your upgrades faster you HAD to have the extra upgrade buildings since back then you could only do one upgrade at a time per building so only having one meant you would be getting your upgrades slower than someone who has if they were Terran two Engineering Bays and four Armories, if they were Zerg three Evo chambers and two Spires, if they were Protoss three Forges and two Cybernetics cores (completely forgot this was the structure that upgraded air units because you get it so early on in SC1 whereas Terran and Zerg both had to wait until at least until Factory is built for Terran and the Lair was morphed for Zerg to get access to their air upgrades.
0:07 Funny that Harstem mocks them for this when he constantly uses "little" or "less" when the correct word would be "few". Not to mention "colossi" when talking about a single "colossus". Hmmmm, maybe it's time for "Is English confusing or does my (Harstem's) grammar suck".
Also, it seems harstem is straight up wrong lol. Yes, there is a mineral count in sc2, but minerals are not discrete or countable things irl, so saying "many" makes it sound like you are talking about types of minerals or something. I guess it's like if you collected water as a resource, and harstem says "it should be 'too many' water" based on fact that the game would attach discrete number to amount of water.
The way to deal with tanks is attack when they are unsieged, the problem with lurkers is, that they can siege in half a second and so are effectively sieged even when moving. That way it's pretty hard to deal with their hopping without air. Also positioning, you can't camp your whole MM army on top of the tanks, you can camp all your hydras on lurkers.
Dear Harstem, good catch on the much/many! However, I notice that you often make the same mistake with fewer/less. For example: I have fewer units than you do vs. I have less defense. Don't worry, native speakers make this mistake all the time too, and I only tell you so your pedantic powers can grow!
For the longest time I didn't even know disruptors existed... now I love the unit, especially against hydra lurker roach and bio, makes my day so wonderful when one disruptor removes 25 supply from my opponents:)
That elimination meant that their bodies were destroyed but their info preserved to create the consciences of the new bodies. In the end, it was senseless because they were pummeled out of existance lol
I remember going stalkers against lurkers for many games, and getting floored. The reason is in broodwar, dragoons counter lurkers decently. and stalkers are seen as the "sc2 dragoon". I guess immortals might be better?
@Harstem I think you are incorrect about "how much" and "how many". In this case minerals is a resource, just like money, so it's an uncountable noun. How much money do you have? How much minerals do you have?
Imo, the real OPness of the lurker is the burrow speed. Its too fast. If its equivalent of a siege tank, it shouldnt be burrowing in a blink of an eye. Siege hopping takes time and effort, lurkers dont suffer that problem.
@@rivaxis In term of %, how much time you have since Seige Tank being used while Unseiged? And what keep the Lurker from burrowing into the ground? even if they got caught by the opponent army, they can still burrow and deal mass damage with enough Lurker count.
@@tigera6 maybe when changing position? when retreating for example? Also you dont just run into lurkers with mass bio clumped units, just like you dont run into 10 sieged tanks. my point was that unburrowed lurker is more defenceless than a baby and thats why it makes sense that he can burrow fast. And why does it even matter? Terran can scan it and toss can fly observers around. Just detect it. Lurkers can be easily killed with ghosts, mech army, storms, immortals and ofcourse any air that can shoot down. Also fast units can just dodge the spikes unlike siege tank.
@@rivaxis The same thing can be said about countering tanks as well, literally 25-30 Lings can kill 10 tanks easily. Its just much easier to control the Lurker than Tanks especially in mass number. All the counter you said to Lurker, the Zerg player can just unburrow them and run away from it and there is nothing that can chase them down other than Skytoss because their good movement speed off-creep as well. And you acting like its easy to micro the Bio fighting Lurker without clumping them up or dodging the spike attack. Unless its Maru or Clem, I have not seen any other Terran being able to do those thing consistently enough.
@@tigera6 if you are not good enough in micro against specific unit just try different unit conposition. Dont be the idiot terran who just mass marine/marauder/medivac every game. Thats as stupid as massing lings against hellions. And so what that he run away? Just attack the base and force fight
@@valkorion46 nah tanks actually do damage to themselves a bunch of zealot run bys will clear tanks which is pretty cost effective. Lurkers don't do splash damage to themselves
Let me see if I understand @ 13:40 A Protoss player (Harstem) says I would go with carriers......Tell me, when does a toss NOT think OK this is a good time to go for carriers!!!???? CARRIERS IMBA!!!!!!
7:55 - including orbital but not queen? (it would even go in the same spot: they're both 150 minerals); and that's the auto-refinery icon, not a standard one! Unrelatedly, I'm so shocked at how few fight analysis popups there were. I suppose the game wasn't particularly conducive to them, though?
i was behind in the game, so i built some DTs to catch up the game was super close, so i built some DTs to give me an edge i was ahead in the game, so i built some DTs to get further ahead
Your teleportation is more of a backup solution, you just restore the backup somewhere else. teleportation should be instant, not bounded to speed of light, thats why the protoss uses portals for teleporting operations
So Harstem recommends fake attacking and building carrier/tempest to deal with lurkers. In other words: get air units because all your ground units are worthless vs lurkers :D
I think you went overboard with this one. Research says practice means much more than talent in the long run. So saying that someone has no hope of achieving anything with their lack of talents so you understand why they'd sit around waiting for a miracle is terrible life advice and can crush someone's spirit completely. It's just not how being good at things works
@Michael Lochlann by definition no. You wouldn't tell someone to go kys becUse they are so useless because that's clearly going too far. And I think you have to watch out because you can really hurt people if you say the wrong things
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 If I thought so little of other people that you seem to do that I would want to pat people on the head as they volunteer to be roasted in a format thats literally exemplified for years then I would probably kill myself out of fear that my sense of superiority would cause me to go off the rails and do something worse, yes
Lets rephase every complains. Not lurkers are OP but MASS lurkers are OP, they are very hard to deal with, with a ground army it's almost impossible without another lurker like siege unit like the ST.
He plays like a low Diamond, not low Master.... 4000/2000 in the bank and complains about balance... Maybe he bought the account and is dropping down rapidly? O_o
Countable is different from measurable. You can count litres of water, ie when it's separated into discrete units via human determined measurements. However You cannot count amounts of water naturally
Completely useless against air and cant move while attacking. It realy is just a zerg siege tank. We can also complain about DTs, high dps, invis (all time), and actualy move around when attacking. Every race have some strength. "No other unit has that" is just shitty argument. Terrans have stimpacks or mules, protoss have storm or ability to quickly warp in units potentionaly everywhere on the map. There is nothing imba about anything here. If every race had everything the game would be much less tactical and less fun.
Is "minerals" here countable as you think it is though? Water can have many crucial minerals (calcium, potassium, etc), but it also has much calcium and much potassium... I don't think you can mine 5k individual mineral types though, since there probably isn't that many substances there. So you may have much minerals (much calcium and much potassium), don't you think?
Dear @Harstem, I've been holding in my inner grammar Nazi for the past few months, but after you explained countable and uncountable nouns, I felt that you would appreciate my comment. When you say colossus, it is a singular noun (meaning only one). In contrast, when you say colossi, it is a plural noun (meaning at least two). That's why it can never be correct to say "he built/moved/lost a colossi", since the article "a" means one, which doesn't match the plural noun. To go on a tangent, while it's not a mistake, nouns in English with origin in Latin (nexus, colossus) usually have two plural forms, but using the Latin one instead of the English one (nexuses, colossuses) outside of technical, formal or scientific writing can smack of pretentiousness. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for this outburst of pedantry, love you
"If your friend tells you to counter lurkers with stalkers, that's not a friend, they're just keeping you close." - Wisdom of Harstem
It’s an enemy lol
It's a Changeling.
The IMBA complain form drawings are getting better and better!
Too much talent in this channel
Harstem using the IODIS platform to brutally attack these poor fellow toss players. Wouldn’t be surprised if this lad plays Zerg from this point on.
He's becoming jaded like winter lol
I am the player in the video. Harstem was harsh, but nothing that I can't handle. I would have appreciated more ways to improve and less personal roasting though. I am on my master's degree and am doing just fine writing in academic English even if it isn't my primary language. I do agree with all his critical points on my gameplay it was not my best game... the reason I didn't leave even when I thought the game was over is that I never give up. In the end, the roasting is also what makes these IODIS fun, :D
Then I (and others, I'm pretty confident) wish you all the best with your exams! This is just a game of course, and Kevin is expected to make a show of any given complaint, either for the sweet or the bitter.
Now a little roast by me: in which academy do they write in English like that you've used into the form?
@@mynickisrick1478 "City name left out" Business School - I did not look over what I had written down - it was just thoughts going straight to the form. It might not be as well-written as it would be in an academic paper of course.
@@Lucas-ns4yu I cannot but appreciate your manners. I was joking anyway!
Sick. I'm guessing the zealot run bys woulda changed this game like crazy
@@jeremyklein953 ya maybe, spending 4k minerals on carriers, would have probably helped too hehe.
19:15 To be fair, he had a few decent disruptor shots earlier (18:28), killing 3-4 hydras each
That got personal quickly
Ikr? Ouch...
IMBA complainant deserved at least that much and maybe more when hanging on by fingernails with low double digit troop counts, wasting time.
Brutal
The analogy of the day is:
”This is a little bit like going from Germany to New York, except rather than flighting straight to New York, you first go to South Africa, wait 20 minutes inside of the airport because you are not allowed to leave, and then, as you finally see New York, your aeroplane does a nose dive into the Atlantic Ocean.”
The analogy explains the suboptimal use of a prism, which remained idle for 45 seconds before dying a painful and senseless death. Critics have noticed that the analogy uses the rhetorical technique known as “hyperbole”, as the time that you would waste flying from Germany to New York via Cape Town is, in fact, higher than 45 seconds. Furthermore, this unnecessary journey would lead to much higher carbon emissions, being thus harmful to the environment as well. The suboptimal use of the prism, however, does not lead to higher emissions.
A comparative analysis of the cost of the lost prism with the cost of the lost plane leads the controversy even further when factoring the economical and social costs of each aircraft, as well as those of their passenger. Notably, archons are known to have an extremely limited lifetime, and being extremely haughty and insufferable in the meantime, making their premature death a potentially positive outcome, according to some proponents.
Harstem's grasp of english grammatical structure is astonishing. Like... I'm an American, with no pressure to learn a foreign language, and I've spent years studying this language just to know what Harstem knows, who is speaking this as at least his second language.
23:25 I'm pretty sure that protosses teleportation isn't the same technology as terrans'. We need an SC lore expert here to explain what it actually is, probably has something to do with "the void" or Xel'naga.
EDIT:
Recall is a protoss ability used to transport matter over spatial distances. This is accomplished by creating tears in space-time and moving objects through those tears.
Source: Starcraft wiki
Real world teleportation is very similar to what harstem said. The theory i heard that's the most plausible is you are dematerialized, then the genetic make up and all the information that makes you, you, is reassembled at the other location. The video i watched on it then took a huge dive into the make up of a soul and if you are really more than just the sum of your parts.
@@BrEAcHxROWDY lol, that is the Star Trek transporter. I don't think I'd call that realistic. Also it's not actually a transportation device. It's a murder machine on one end. And the other end makes a copy of you. Which is a godlike power that is all but impossible. To reconstitute a human being including their memories. Ridiculous. A Dyson Sphere would be easier.
@@Dragon-Believer What does a Dyson Sphere have to do with anything?
And Star Trek isn't the only ones using such a theory for teleportation. Stargates seems to work in a very similar fashion. They dematerializes things that crosses the event horizon of an artificial wormhole, the Stargate stores the information and sends it to another Stargate vast distances away via subspace and/or the wormhole to another Stargate which then rematerializes it on the other side. That's how I understand it anyway, in a nutshell.
@@Dragon-Believer But yeah that it's "not actually a transportation device." But a "murder machine on one end. And the other end makes a copy of you." is what we're saying how "teleportation" could be achieved. You're not actually transporting any material over distances, but the end result would be teleportation if you would step into a machine that records exactly every single atom in its exact relative position to eachother and send that information to another similar device that then kind of "3D prints" every single atom. Of course if you don't disappear from the first location it would just be a copy machine, but if the recording would require you to step through a Stargate like in the Television series then you'd disappear from the original location before appearing on the recieving end of that wormhole that the Stargate is connected to.
Sorry for messy explanation, but I'm kind of like Spotlight (from the IODIS) when it comes to writing I think.
@@ingainloggningsnamn yeah, but that is silly. There are a bunch of miracle technologies there. It's not just a bunch of atoms. There are chemical bonds. They are molecules. Those molecules are attached to a bunch of other molecules. You can't 3d print a person. It isn't a dollhouse. There are just so many problems. It's living tissue. It isn't bolted together. Forming chemical bonds creates heat. You can't cook a person at 1000 degrees.
Dear Harstem - you are completely correct about the teleportation issue. If probes were real and we would want the probes to be teleported without any delay in the real world, then we would need to use the only "teleport" our science knows until this point - quantum entanglement. This way not the particles building the probe are transported through space, but the quantum information - the quantum state of every particle. This information would be teleported as an instant, without any delay (this is how quantum entanglement works). But this means that the probe would be killed in one spot and rebuilt in another.
If it would still have been the same probe afterwards, that is an another question. I think calling it another version of the same probe was also spot on. Good job, Harstem!
A good comment! But a minor note: It is slightly misleading to say that information is transmitted instantly in a quantum teleportation scenario. Information is exchanged (classically!) ahead of time in the course of preparing entanglement between distant quantum memories, at which point "teleportation" just amounts to an entanglement swapping operation. In other words, classical information about prepared distant correlations is shared ahead of time, and then we can rearrange the correlations between particles so that the location to which a quantum state corresponds changes. Saying that there is "instananeous" information exchange neglects the operations an observer needs to perform to prepare a Bell-like state to begin with. The preparation step is still limited by the speed of light.
So the complete quantum information allowing the probes to be "copied" (I agree this is reasonable terminology) can in principle be instantly transferred *if* e.g. the different nexii share a sufficiently large pre-prepared entangled state before the recall is used.
@@anothercreatureofthesea1412 Thanks! And thanks for your valuable insight, I probably should have mentioned the observation delay too :) Didn't want my comment to be too long, but the prepared entangled quantum states are also needed of course :) Happy Holidays!!!
21:00 Holy, what did he do to you? He was pretty humble in the IDIODIS form too
He's like this for 100 IODIS episodes...
nightmareTomek isn't wrong, the format of these IODIS seems to be 20% constructive criticism, 80% derision and abuse.
Hes not a kid, he is in masters, and the crític becomes more severe the higher your rank is
Harstem, please don't fire Hamster. He does a really good job, you know?
Found Hamster's alt account
23:42 Actually correct. Stargates store the information, sends it to another stargate where it rematerializes.
One thing about invisible units is that just being able to see them doesn't mean you countered them. If your opponent has 12 dts you have 20 marines with a scan. That doesn't mean your going to win that fight. Same thing with lurkers just because you can see them don't mean your gonna win.
If you can't beat DTs and lurkers when you can see them then you don't deserve to win.
@@Dragon-Believer ????
1k resource of units loses against 3k resources of units?!?!?!? No way....
@@Dragon-Believer DTs I agree, but Lurkers will fight extremely well against many different compositions while DTs will die against practically everything.
@@alalala132whyisthishandletaken wrong. 20 marines can beat 30 ovies. 20 marines can beat a bunch of slow lings. Resources vs resources doesn’t matter. Or zerg would win literally every single game.
Bad examples. How about lingbane vs marauder marine. The ling bane costs more almost 100% of the time
How did I only notice "Harstem" is an anagram for "Hamster"? I don't know what to believe anymore. Is there even a Hamster?
This is one of life's greatest mysteries.
Also IIIODIS, when you take the two I and put one on top of the other to form a T, it becomes an anagram for IDIOTS.
27:40 was there ever an imba conclusion in iodis?
Long time ago there was a complaint from a Zerg who played nydus+SH. He got imba (for himself) + suck stamps.
i cant find it :(
I love how Kevin looks like he's in pain when hes trying to figure out what lower league players are doing.
Ye, and he fails. He just insults them because they don't play like pros.
@@nightmareTomek He insults them because they complain about imbalance while playing like this
You are mostly correct about the teleporter theory. You are only missing the point that the destruction of the original happens as an unavoidable side effect of gathering all the information.
So it's not getting all the information, then destroying the original, send the information and rebuild a copy at the destination, but rather gathering the information and destroying the original is one and the same process.
Still the Protoss technology isn't teleporting but warping.
In warp theory you don't manipulate the object you want to move at all. You rather warp space itself in a way that brings the point of origin closer to the point of destination. Like folding a piece of paper so that the opposite sides touch each other.
As far as I know both principles are viable by theory of physics.
Lurkers actually are very hard to deal with, specially if you are low level player. That is the reason why everyone play air toss
Yeah, I'm 3k3 and get fucked by lurker, every single time. And Zergs at my level Loveee to go lurker, cause they and I all know its an insta loss.
So the other 2 races I play whatever build I have in mind, but for zerg I either 2 base all in or do Harstem's 7 gate 2 immortal zealot attack
Yeah, I'm a sliver II Zerg and every time I build lurkers, I win. I just walk pass their empty natural and kill 12 workers and their main building.
Nah lol i just hit diamond and i have to air toss every game especially against toss itself. Whoever does carriers first tends to win. Pvp for me is either about winning with 2 immortals early or getting more carriers and fighting in my batteries. Sometimes i win from 2 adepts just eating his probes.
I as well struggle against lurkers
Because: siege up tanks; siege up libs (one at a time); stim and move infantry away; snipe with ghosts; scan
Zerg: almost always a-clicks and burrows lurkers - that’s it; usage of casters is optional
Just too much action for me(
@@IvanKolyada You act like you HAVE to use all of those strats at the same time. Sometimes just one of those works. Sometimes a-moving a group of five banshees that has a mommy raven on them is all you need lol
Harstem, always looking forward to your new videos! I could probably write an entire article to list the things I like in those, but a youtube algorithm probably already gives you a better insight anyway, so keep doing great work and have fun while at it!
God, I remember doing triple Forges in SC1 but that was mainly due to the fact that in order to get your upgrades faster you HAD to have the extra upgrade buildings since back then you could only do one upgrade at a time per building so only having one meant you would be getting your upgrades slower than someone who has if they were Terran two Engineering Bays and four Armories, if they were Zerg three Evo chambers and two Spires, if they were Protoss three Forges and two Cybernetics cores (completely forgot this was the structure that upgraded air units because you get it so early on in SC1 whereas Terran and Zerg both had to wait until at least until Factory is built for Terran and the Lair was morphed for Zerg to get access to their air upgrades.
masters in EU, proceeds to float 4k 2k the entire game, builds stalkers against lurkers.
make sense.
it’s toss master LMAO
@@IvanKolyada I bet his off race is better than your main.
@@dylansevitt I would say yes, but seeing how he floats a fuckload of resources, I’m becoming doubtful
"Maybe you are really good at solving Rubix Cubes." Holy shit you just became one of my fav sc2 streamers.
0:07 Funny that Harstem mocks them for this when he constantly uses "little" or "less" when the correct word would be "few". Not to mention "colossi" when talking about a single "colossus".
Hmmmm, maybe it's time for "Is English confusing or does my (Harstem's) grammar suck".
Native English-speaker here: I can confirm that English is confusing.
I've not heard Harstem say this, but several starcraft casters use the word "casted" for the past tense of cast. This bugs me.
Also, it seems harstem is straight up wrong lol. Yes, there is a mineral count in sc2, but minerals are not discrete or countable things irl, so saying "many" makes it sound like you are talking about types of minerals or something.
I guess it's like if you collected water as a resource, and harstem says "it should be 'too many' water" based on fact that the game would attach discrete number to amount of water.
@@nicholasrebstock3203 This isn't irl though. You can literally count the minerals in game.
@@victornunes900 So you should say "I have too many vespene gas" instead of "I have too much vespene gas"? The real life context matters
2:00 As a silver/gold league player, I bet if I went Lurkers, Harstem could beat me without detection.
By utterly destroying you long before you could make lurkers most likely!
@@nathanstretch I mean, yes. But that wouldn't be a very fair test of the claim.
yeah but terran has too many counters to lurkers
The way to deal with tanks is attack when they are unsieged, the problem with lurkers is, that they can siege in half a second and so are effectively sieged even when moving. That way it's pretty hard to deal with their hopping without air.
Also positioning, you can't camp your whole MM army on top of the tanks, you can camp all your hydras on lurkers.
But there is "too much money" and minerals are money of starcraft... so maybe to much minerals is in fact the correct phrase in that world.
But money isn’t countable
You don’t say 5 money
But you do say 5 minerals
you can tell Harstem has actually become an American because he roasts other people on their english
Money is countable but we still say “too much money”
Dear Harstem, good catch on the much/many! However, I notice that you often make the same mistake with fewer/less. For example: I have fewer units than you do vs. I have less defense. Don't worry, native speakers make this mistake all the time too, and I only tell you so your pedantic powers can grow!
Harstem going through his fan submitted replays:"dont pass me no regula, all i show is loud"
For the longest time I didn't even know disruptors existed... now I love the unit, especially against hydra lurker roach and bio, makes my day so wonderful when one disruptor removes 25 supply from my opponents:)
Damn Harstem forgot about his boy Hamster. We know though.
Man i love the Picture of the complain. Wonderful movie
Maybe he thought it was Brood War. Dragoons are pretty good against Lurkers.
Yeah. You are right. He has eliminated three times the poor probes to delay their miserable ending. Rip probes
That elimination meant that their bodies were destroyed but their info preserved to create the consciences of the new bodies. In the end, it was senseless because they were pummeled out of existance lol
21:20 ok, that is SAVAGE
Your explanation about teleporting being a murder machine, was pretty much correct.
Speaking from experience?
I remember going stalkers against lurkers for many games, and getting floored.
The reason is in broodwar, dragoons counter lurkers decently. and stalkers are seen as the "sc2 dragoon". I guess immortals might be better?
11:25 That must be one of the most depressing things I've seen in months.
That overseer was just begging for a feedback. And he had a shrine so 6 dts would’ve made complete work of that army. Gah!!
@Harstem I think you are incorrect about "how much" and "how many". In this case minerals is a resource, just like money, so it's an uncountable noun. How much money do you have? How much minerals do you have?
But it would be how many dollars do you have. So kinda both still?
Hamster needs a raise. These are so well edited.
I really like the English grammar correction, and what makes it even better is that English is not Harstem's mother language. :)
Imo, the real OPness of the lurker is the burrow speed. Its too fast. If its equivalent of a siege tank, it shouldnt be burrowing in a blink of an eye. Siege hopping takes time and effort, lurkers dont suffer that problem.
But siege tank can attack while not in siege mode. Lurkers are completely useless if they are not in the ground
@@rivaxis In term of %, how much time you have since Seige Tank being used while Unseiged? And what keep the Lurker from burrowing into the ground? even if they got caught by the opponent army, they can still burrow and deal mass damage with enough Lurker count.
@@tigera6 maybe when changing position? when retreating for example? Also you dont just run into lurkers with mass bio clumped units, just like you dont run into 10 sieged tanks. my point was that unburrowed lurker is more defenceless than a baby and thats why it makes sense that he can burrow fast. And why does it even matter? Terran can scan it and toss can fly observers around. Just detect it. Lurkers can be easily killed with ghosts, mech army, storms, immortals and ofcourse any air that can shoot down. Also fast units can just dodge the spikes unlike siege tank.
@@rivaxis The same thing can be said about countering tanks as well, literally 25-30 Lings can kill 10 tanks easily. Its just much easier to control the Lurker than Tanks especially in mass number.
All the counter you said to Lurker, the Zerg player can just unburrow them and run away from it and there is nothing that can chase them down other than Skytoss because their good movement speed off-creep as well.
And you acting like its easy to micro the Bio fighting Lurker without clumping them up or dodging the spike attack. Unless its Maru or Clem, I have not seen any other Terran being able to do those thing consistently enough.
@@tigera6 if you are not good enough in micro against specific unit just try different unit conposition. Dont be the idiot terran who just mass marine/marauder/medivac every game. Thats as stupid as massing lings against hellions. And so what that he run away? Just attack the base and force fight
I watched so many toss players not being able to deal with lurkers that i start to think they might be imba
Siege tanks can be countered by zealots tho, lurkers are definitely not countered by zealots lmao
@@valkorion46 nah tanks actually do damage to themselves a bunch of zealot run bys will clear tanks which is pretty cost effective. Lurkers don't do splash damage to themselves
Auch, 21:00-22:00 was harsh. Hope this guy doesnt takes too much of a hit
Let me see if I understand @ 13:40 A Protoss player (Harstem) says I would go with carriers......Tell me, when does a toss NOT think OK this is a good time to go for carriers!!!???? CARRIERS IMBA!!!!!!
this is probably the best IIIODIS drawing yet !
7:55 - including orbital but not queen? (it would even go in the same spot: they're both 150 minerals); and that's the auto-refinery icon, not a standard one!
Unrelatedly, I'm so shocked at how few fight analysis popups there were. I suppose the game wasn't particularly conducive to them, though?
i was behind in the game, so i built some DTs to catch up
the game was super close, so i built some DTs to give me an edge
i was ahead in the game, so i built some DTs to get further ahead
All those lurkers,and they couldn't do the damage 2 disruptors would unleash. Spotlight would lose entire army instantly with his positioning.
Hamster is the perfect version of cortana for harstem
Your teleportation is more of a backup solution, you just restore the backup somewhere else. teleportation should be instant, not bounded to speed of light, thats why the protoss uses portals for teleporting operations
Harstem baiting us to send more replays at the end :D
Yes, this type of "teleportation" is essentially just cloning while killing the original.
How is it cloning though? Cloning doesn't work like that ?
No more beep-boops for hamster’s input?
If you think that water isnt countable, youre not trying hard enough!
It's true with much and many, sadly he doesn't know the difference between error and mistake though, so he can't explain that one.
Has there ever actually been a imba stamp used or does he keep saying "We haven't seen one in a while" to trick us into watching more videos?
So Harstem recommends fake attacking and building carrier/tempest to deal with lurkers. In other words: get air units because all your ground units are worthless vs lurkers :D
Y'know...from testing...Immortals basically hard-counter lurkers if they don't stack up and get splashed...:P
@@corumsorensen7822 Yeah... but immortals get rekt by hydras :(
@@marcelb7122 ....Immortals do like 20 damage and have infinitely more health than hydras. You also have
Disruptors, zealots, and storm
@@corumsorensen7822 so you would disagree with Mr harstem and say that you should Fight lurker Hydra with ground?
@@marcelb7122 AN air switch certainly isn't a bad idea! But lurkers are not the end of the world to deal with. Seriously.
i thought was a plat game until the zerg pulled the drones before he even unloaded the archons. im plat, barely unlocked the mini-map add on.
yeah youre right that you cant teleport someone without killing them, otherwise they'd be clones
Masters player floating 4K resources ? 🤨. Was this a setup game between 2 friends ?
Thanks for another Hamster weekly special.
Money isn’t countable, and minerals like money, right.
THANK YOU! I'm getting an English lesson with this!
Na-na! Everyone remember how easy is to deal with lurkers when you the one 6k off race Terran ;)
Every unit has something "broken" about it? Has anyone complained about Zealots yet?
Many times. There's even an IODIS dedicated to how imba zealot runbys are
Terrans complain about zealots all the time
Harstem is my English grammar teacher.
Harstem teaching people about many vs much is ironic considering he hasn't used few instead of little for countable objects once.
His MMR puts him just half a toe over the limit for master league.
So then it's "too many money" not "too much money"? (Not that either are true :)
Why such a late upload?
I also hate lurkers, hard time dealing with those.
Thanks for the video!
I think you went overboard with this one. Research says practice means much more than talent in the long run. So saying that someone has no hope of achieving anything with their lack of talents so you understand why they'd sit around waiting for a miracle is terrible life advice and can crush someone's spirit completely. It's just not how being good at things works
@Michael Lochlann by definition no. You wouldn't tell someone to go kys becUse they are so useless because that's clearly going too far. And I think you have to watch out because you can really hurt people if you say the wrong things
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 If I thought so little of other people that you seem to do that I would want to pat people on the head as they volunteer to be roasted in a format thats literally exemplified for years then I would probably kill myself out of fear that my sense of superiority would cause me to go off the rails and do something worse, yes
a new IODIS as christmas gift nice ^^
That meme comic is amazing
Ouch... Why did you have to insult him like that :"(
I am surprised he knows about South Africa!
Lets rephase every complains. Not lurkers are OP but MASS lurkers are OP, they are very hard to deal with, with a ground army it's almost impossible without another lurker like siege unit like the ST.
those grammar tips, thanks harstem!
There's no way in hell this guy is 4.6k on EU...
Harstem should make efforts to actually check the MMR claims made on these submission forms...
He plays like a low Diamond, not low Master.... 4000/2000 in the bank and complains about balance...
Maybe he bought the account and is dropping down rapidly? O_o
Lurkers are for sure Imba, but can be played around.
water is totaly countable though. those rules must be from a time when we could not measure such things.
Countable is different from measurable. You can count litres of water, ie when it's separated into discrete units via human determined measurements. However You cannot count amounts of water naturally
I love you corrected the many/much but ignored the too.
I came to the comments section for the response to his teleportation theory
I am disappoint
His water turned into whine...
High dps tanky and invis no other unit has all 3.
Completely useless against air and cant move while attacking. It realy is just a zerg siege tank. We can also complain about DTs, high dps, invis (all time), and actualy move around when attacking. Every race have some strength. "No other unit has that" is just shitty argument. Terrans have stimpacks or mules, protoss have storm or ability to quickly warp in units potentionaly everywhere on the map. There is nothing imba about anything here. If every race had everything the game would be much less tactical and less fun.
I have too much love for you , because my love for you is uncountable
Is "minerals" here countable as you think it is though? Water can have many crucial minerals (calcium, potassium, etc), but it also has much calcium and much potassium... I don't think you can mine 5k individual mineral types though, since there probably isn't that many substances there. So you may have much minerals (much calcium and much potassium), don't you think?
Is that a beard young man? Saxy
first time i saw you i hated you so MUCH but now i love you to much
I don't have to send in any replays, I already know I suck.
I wouldn't want to be that guy, but I'm m3 toss. We don't play like that. I promise
I like mass Oracle +/storm
Leave Larry the Lurker ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE!
Dear @Harstem, I've been holding in my inner grammar Nazi for the past few months, but after you explained countable and uncountable nouns, I felt that you would appreciate my comment. When you say colossus, it is a singular noun (meaning only one). In contrast, when you say colossi, it is a plural noun (meaning at least two). That's why it can never be correct to say "he built/moved/lost a colossi", since the article "a" means one, which doesn't match the plural noun. To go on a tangent, while it's not a mistake, nouns in English with origin in Latin (nexus, colossus) usually have two plural forms, but using the Latin one instead of the English one (nexuses, colossuses) outside of technical, formal or scientific writing can smack of pretentiousness. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for this outburst of pedantry, love you