Fantastic video. One thing threw me for a loop. At 4:36, you mentioned that the 1Gb network adapter should support Auto-MDIX. Auto crossover is part of the 10Gb (and 1Gb) interface specificartion, so I doubt you will need to worry about this - unless the card does not meet industry specifications.
You tube Randomly suggested you to me. Got a new sub :) Great way to start out for people on a budget. Also I would look around your area for companies upgrading their networks. You'd be surprised what you can get for cheap sometimes even free.
8:50 You come at the king, you'd best not miss. Next week, we're going to get a 1 hour and 43 minute exposé on how Digital Mirror's barber hasn't been paying his taxes.
Be aware that due to PCIe x1 line that is cut off by the seller, those cards receive power even when your PC is turned off and runs very hot - solutions are plugging off the AC cable or put some 24/7 fan on them.
2 dual 10gbe NICS in an old computer makes a monster server+router. 1 port for multi-gbit internet, 2 for direct 10g to workstations, and 1 10gbe to a 2.5gbe switch and 2.5gbe wifi 6E AP
@@williamcroson9102 o wow thanks for sharing mate. Tried but didn't work for me. But then again that pc is 10 years old so could be that... I will defo give it a go! Thanks for sharing and for watching!
@@DigitalMirrorComputing the motherboard I tried it on was a Huananzhi F8. It's an X99 chipset board, 2x 16x slots and 1x 16x slot that is only wired for 4x. I guess mileage will vary.
Afaik the catch with these cards is that it will stay on (and hot) even when the PC is powered off. Or at least this was how they worked when I got a batch for a project
A way to bypass is to tape the 3.3v standby pin b10 and add a jumpwire from 3.3v pin b8 to it. This also fixes boot failures for some mobo due to insufficient pcie 3.3v sb power. Would lose WOL capability though.
QSFP (dual 40 gbit cards) are now 15-20 dollars, and DAC cables or transceivers are cheap... there's also qsfp to 4 sfp+ 10g port splitter cables ... but may not get drivers in windows 11 for these cards. You can now get SFP28 cards (single or dual 25 gbps) for around 25-35 each ,but dac cables and/or transceivers are a bit more expensive.
Great Video! I'm gonna try to set up a NAS and my MS-01 with Proxmox and X540-T2. But which is hotter? 10Gbe Copper or Fiber? I thought 10Gbe Copper is hotter.
Get some X520 cards use a DAC cable it runs far cooler than an X540 over RJ45. The X540s are going to over heat without server style airflow in the case.
i really wish this worked for me. I bought 2 of the x540-t2 cards from aliexpress, but neither of them work in my truenas scale system. only on my windows pc after driver installation.
I wanted to know if I can use this card to convert an old thin client lying around into a pfsense router but after watching your video I think I am also gonna be using to create peer to peer connection between my TrueNas and main pc.
why you not using ipv6 on connection like this? you dont need to configure it, just use autgenerate ULA adresses, you can always use hosts entry to simplify looking for complex ipv6 address
In my expertise, fiber is not running hot, DAC's might be running hot but with the price for fiber cables, why would you run DAC's? I spend about $200 aussie dollars on a X520 and a Chelsio SFP+ card including SFP+ modules and fiber cables. It has been rock solid! I was struggling with the onboard 10 GbE dropping packet every now and then.
I've had nothing but trouble trying to use the x540s. They are no long supported by windows or Intel for that matter. Yeah you can use a legacy drive however I was still getting dropouts. I switch to the mellanox connect X 4. Haven't had an disconnect since.
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Your pc has x16 slot...but it only has wires or pins to up by x2 or x4 or even x1
yes we did enjoy it, allright! nothing wrong with 10Gbe card that runs intel. hard to believe it's intel at that price. I would probably take the heatsink off to check, in disbelief!
@@benchy5769 and that's great, isn't it? at least one piece of the puzzle is resolved. my main issue right now with moving to 10Gbe is the cost of the switch, so I am glad the cards can be obtained at a reasonable cost.
Hi, your idea is great for what i am trying to achieve, but i have on question.. i have a unraid server with a pci-gen4 fully x16 wired, but on the other pc, like on yours i also have a pci-e slot x16 size but electric x4 it's gen 3.0 is that the case with your pc that has the massive gpu, I would assume so, if the cpu on there is a "regular" cpu and doesn't have a gazillion pci lines like the server ones. Thank you for your time
thanks for watching mate! If I understood it correctly I think you are right! It's the same scenario. My main PC has this board www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-Z790-TOMAHAWK-WIFI so feel free to have a look! Good luck mate! :)
2:53 I have a motherboard that has only pcie 2.0 x1 slot with "open-ended" which means it can slot longer cards but at x1 speed. Since pcie2.0 x1 is only 500MB/s (4Gbps), I would be happy to get 3-4Gbps for $12. Any chance you have an open-ended x1 slot to test?
pcie should auto-negotiate to get the best of what is available. THis is why "open ended" slots exist or why people saw off parts of the pcie connector on a (low end) GPU to fit in a x1 slot
On the basis of my testing, I found that for some reason the X520 cards need TWO lanes minimum and throughput is drastically reduced even if the bit rate remains 10 Gbps.
Sorry I forgot to add the link. Will do when I get home. Meanwhile try this | 10Gbs Pcie To RJ45 Intel X540-T2 Network Card 10G Gigabit Ethernet Dual Ports 100/1000/1000Mbps a.aliexpress.com/_EwDTKSl
Thank you for reviewing these! I bought one some time ago as the price was super low. Unfortunately, I am terrified of the temperatures, I think they are designed to be used in a rack server where the airflow is different. Please note the X540 is end of life. Hopefully they will keep working with Windows 11. The power consumption of this older chip is also pretty high (it was released in Q1'12). +15 watt when fully saturated. I eventually invested in newer Aquantia AQC NICs. My 10GBe journey did not end here.. as I had to troubleshoot a lot before getting them stable within Windows 11. A firmware upgrade was mandatory, and it was necessary to disable energy efficient options. I never experienced any issues when running Linux (Ubuntu/Unraid/Truenas).
@@gandalfilgrigio97 so far they work great for me is! If they get to hot get an extra fan for it. Also remember you need pcie x8 or x16. They don't work with X4 or X1. Also they don't support 2.5 and 5Gb. That's the only catch I found. Oh also the drivers! You need to use the win10 drivers I mention in the video. Hope that helps mate
@DigitalMirrorComputing does that mean that if you connect a 5g port on the other end it won't work? BTW, what's the exact one you are using? cause i found a ton of similar cards on aliexpress
0:20 probably a record for how fast I've bailed on a video. You didn't do this for under $12, you spent $12 each on 2 cards and then still needed the cable. Stupid.
Finger thermal test is the most scientific and cost effective way to find out if it's running hot. It just works every time.
@@GrishTech 😂
Over 45° it Hurts a littlebit. 60° you can smell Bacon. 😂
Are we still talking about computers?
Cant believe you're channel is so small. Your vids are amazing!
Well... it's people like you and such positive reinforcement that make it all worth it!! :)) Thanks for the support mate! :)
Fantastic video. One thing threw me for a loop. At 4:36, you mentioned that the 1Gb network adapter should support Auto-MDIX. Auto crossover is part of the 10Gb (and 1Gb) interface specificartion, so I doubt you will need to worry about this - unless the card does not meet industry specifications.
You tube Randomly suggested you to me. Got a new sub :) Great way to start out for people on a budget. Also I would look around your area for companies upgrading their networks. You'd be surprised what you can get for cheap sometimes even free.
I kept waiting to see you test with both ports connected and bridged.
Yep, and no link aggregation even mentioned
8:50 You come at the king, you'd best not miss. Next week, we're going to get a 1 hour and 43 minute exposé on how Digital Mirror's barber hasn't been paying his taxes.
@@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this comment killed me. Loool. Thanks for watching mate!
Interesting. I've never tried peer to peer networking before, so I should give this a shot.
You got a subscribe from me! I appreciate the detailed Network explanation. Great video.
Be aware that due to PCIe x1 line that is cut off by the seller, those cards receive power even when your PC is turned off and runs very hot - solutions are plugging off the AC cable or put some 24/7 fan on them.
Do you know about the ones that include the x1 line?
You got a new subscriber!🎉 Great content!
This video was worth a sub! 💯
I really enjoyed this video. It was interesting, informative, very well paced and most of all engaging. Subbed!
@@esra_erimez thank you so much for the support!
2 dual 10gbe NICS in an old computer makes a monster server+router.
1 port for multi-gbit internet, 2 for direct 10g to workstations, and 1 10gbe to a 2.5gbe switch and 2.5gbe wifi 6E AP
I've used these cards before in PCIe 2.0 x4(16x, wired for 4x) slots and they work fine and still have enough bandwidth for full 10gbps
@@williamcroson9102 o wow thanks for sharing mate. Tried but didn't work for me. But then again that pc is 10 years old so could be that... I will defo give it a go! Thanks for sharing and for watching!
@@DigitalMirrorComputing the motherboard I tried it on was a Huananzhi F8. It's an X99 chipset board, 2x 16x slots and 1x 16x slot that is only wired for 4x. I guess mileage will vary.
I find it's OK if you only use ONE port. For two you need PCI-E 2 and 8 lanes.
4 lanes is fine if you only use ONE port.
@@adrianandrews2254 both ports work with 4 lanes and provide enough bandwidth for 10gbps on both ports too.
Thanks for the video. How about a video about 10Gb Network with a 10Gb switch configuration.
Afaik the catch with these cards is that it will stay on (and hot) even when the PC is powered off. Or at least this was how they worked when I got a batch for a project
Agreed, their standby power draw is pretty bad.
A way to bypass is to tape the 3.3v standby pin b10 and add a jumpwire from 3.3v pin b8 to it.
This also fixes boot failures for some mobo due to insufficient pcie 3.3v sb power.
Would lose WOL capability though.
@@kingeric1992 I think I tried doing that and the cards don't power up at all
QSFP (dual 40 gbit cards) are now 15-20 dollars, and DAC cables or transceivers are cheap... there's also qsfp to 4 sfp+ 10g port splitter cables ... but may not get drivers in windows 11 for these cards. You can now get SFP28 cards (single or dual 25 gbps) for around 25-35 each ,but dac cables and/or transceivers are a bit more expensive.
Great Video! I'm gonna try to set up a NAS and my MS-01 with Proxmox and X540-T2. But which is hotter? 10Gbe Copper or Fiber? I thought 10Gbe Copper is hotter.
Brilliant video 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Next, add a switch to the network & more computers !! Good video !
8:48 Throwing shade at Gamer's Nexus didn't go well for LTT but you can't argue with fact. I'd love to see Steve respond!
@@esra_erimez truth be told I am a proper fanboy of that channel! I used to have my lunch and watch gamers nexus do builds back in the day!
Can't believe Steve got...fingered 😱
LTT: A clothing company that pretends to know tech. This guy knows tech! lol 😂
@NatesRandomVideo agreed!
Get some X520 cards use a DAC cable it runs far cooler than an X540 over RJ45.
The X540s are going to over heat without server style airflow in the case.
can u try link agregation to both port, maybe u get 20Gbps
i really wish this worked for me. I bought 2 of the x540-t2 cards from aliexpress, but neither of them work in my truenas scale system. only on my windows pc after driver installation.
I wanted to know if I can use this card to convert an old thin client lying around into a pfsense router but after watching your video I think I am also gonna be using to create peer to peer connection between my TrueNas and main pc.
Why would you want 10gbe for pfsense? pcie bandwidth and cpu would limit it in old systems.
why you not using ipv6 on connection like this? you dont need to configure it, just use autgenerate ULA adresses, you can always use hosts entry to simplify looking for complex ipv6 address
@@demanuDJ thanks for commenting mate! I will give it a go next time! Cheers :)
In my expertise, fiber is not running hot, DAC's might be running hot but with the price for fiber cables, why would you run DAC's?
I spend about $200 aussie dollars on a X520 and a Chelsio SFP+ card including SFP+ modules and fiber cables.
It has been rock solid! I was struggling with the onboard 10 GbE dropping packet every now and then.
I've had nothing but trouble trying to use the x540s. They are no long supported by windows or Intel for that matter. Yeah you can use a legacy drive however I was still getting dropouts. I switch to the mellanox connect X 4. Haven't had an disconnect since.
Your pc has x16 slot...but it only has wires or pins to up by x2 or x4 or even x1
You wear great T-shirts!!
Aww cheers for that!! :))
yes we did enjoy it, allright!
nothing wrong with 10Gbe card that runs intel. hard to believe it's intel at that price. I would probably take the heatsink off to check, in disbelief!
Enterprises are moving to 25 40 or even 100GbE at the same time so these 10GbE cards got dumped into the second hand market for homelabers to enjoy
@@benchy5769 and that's great, isn't it?
at least one piece of the puzzle is resolved. my main issue right now with moving to 10Gbe is the cost of the switch, so I am glad the cards can be obtained at a reasonable cost.
I remember these costing nearly $100 a few years ago.
Thank you.
Do you think we can use the same technique for Dual PC streaming with NDI ?
The joys of Linux. Shit just works, mostly.
nothing quite like it hey! :D
I got a used supermicro x540t2 for my isp fiber modem. Rest is on sfp+
@@Phil-D83 nice! I have some stuff in sfp as well!
Hi, your idea is great for what i am trying to achieve, but i have on question.. i have a unraid server with a pci-gen4 fully x16 wired, but on the other pc, like on yours i also have a pci-e slot x16 size but electric x4 it's gen 3.0 is that the case with your pc that has the massive gpu, I would assume so, if the cpu on there is a "regular" cpu and doesn't have a gazillion pci lines like the server ones. Thank you for your time
thanks for watching mate! If I understood it correctly I think you are right! It's the same scenario. My main PC has this board www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-Z790-TOMAHAWK-WIFI so feel free to have a look! Good luck mate! :)
First. Great video as usual.
Thank you mate! Really appreciate the support! :)
2:53
I have a motherboard that has only pcie 2.0 x1 slot with "open-ended" which means it can slot longer cards but at x1 speed.
Since pcie2.0 x1 is only 500MB/s (4Gbps), I would be happy to get 3-4Gbps for $12.
Any chance you have an open-ended x1 slot to test?
@@jackipiegg yeah mate I am afraid it won't work. I tried on the rescues machine and it didn't recognize. Sorry 😟
@@DigitalMirrorComputing
That's weird, I've tried plugging in gtx1080 on pcie 2.0 x1 slot and it works. You sure its not a software issue?
pcie should auto-negotiate to get the best of what is available. THis is why "open ended" slots exist or why people saw off parts of the pcie connector on a (low end) GPU to fit in a x1 slot
On the basis of my testing, I found that for some reason the X520 cards need TWO lanes minimum and throughput is drastically reduced even if the bit rate remains 10 Gbps.
why the first Iperf is 1.21 Gbits/sec and next one 9.46 Gbits/sec ?
Same things on transfer file
first time 200 mb/s
next 800 mb/s
It takes time to buffer...which is why always do multiple...and iperf has option to remove first result if it makes you feel better.
I got a couple off ebay last year for $13 each
60 on aliexpress and 60 on amazon. what store did you buy them from?
Sorry I forgot to add the link. Will do when I get home. Meanwhile try this | 10Gbs Pcie To RJ45 Intel X540-T2 Network Card 10G Gigabit Ethernet Dual Ports 100/1000/1000Mbps
a.aliexpress.com/_EwDTKSl
@@DigitalMirrorComputingthanks! It does have $11 shipping at least for me tho🥲
Thank you for reviewing these!
I bought one some time ago as the price was super low.
Unfortunately, I am terrified of the temperatures, I think they are designed to be used in a rack server where the airflow is different.
Please note the X540 is end of life. Hopefully they will keep working with Windows 11.
The power consumption of this older chip is also pretty high (it was released in Q1'12). +15 watt when fully saturated. I eventually invested in newer Aquantia AQC NICs.
My 10GBe journey did not end here.. as I had to troubleshoot a lot before getting them stable within Windows 11. A firmware upgrade was mandatory, and it was necessary to disable energy efficient options. I never experienced any issues when running Linux (Ubuntu/Unraid/Truenas).
is there a catch? cause the cheapest 10g card on amazon is 100$.
for that price you could as well ditch the switch (if you just run a homelab)
I forgot to add the link lol sorry. Try this
a.aliexpress.com/_EwDTKSl
@@gandalfilgrigio97 so far they work great for me is! If they get to hot get an extra fan for it. Also remember you need pcie x8 or x16. They don't work with X4 or X1. Also they don't support 2.5 and 5Gb. That's the only catch I found. Oh also the drivers! You need to use the win10 drivers I mention in the video. Hope that helps mate
@DigitalMirrorComputing does that mean that if you connect a 5g port on the other end it won't work?
BTW, what's the exact one you are using? cause i found a ton of similar cards on aliexpress
@@gandalfilgrigio97 yup, it wont
@@gandalfilgrigio97 i order one, used card from Inspur, most of the aliexpress listings are legit as far as i know
Funny the x540-t2 is only pcie 2.0 and if you want 3.0 its the x550-t2
1:23 at least you haven't named it... never name it, trust me.
@@SpoonHurler hahaha 🤣
great if you dont have all your laptops in 2.5Gb ethernet
Is this real Intel or a fake copy? 😀
0:20 probably a record for how fast I've bailed on a video. You didn't do this for under $12, you spent $12 each on 2 cards and then still needed the cable. Stupid.
@@michaelgleason4791 thanks for watching! Even if just 20 seconds! Every bit helps! 😀