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@@Meowtroit's still people who have no experience with halo, your jumping the gun and the games that will come from halo studios will most likely suck and ruin the franchise.
“You, are Halo Studios. The will of the Halo fans. And these, are my Fan-Content creators. Their lives matter to me, yours does not.” “That makes two of us.” “Hmm.”
Guy's let's be real, while yes this is a hype/hopeful look towards the future, the reality is we have absolutely no idea what the next Halo game will look like or play like just because they're switching to a new engine. The showcase yesterday was all a tech demo, it doesn't actually mean the game in development will look exactly like that. Slipspace was only a bad engine that had so much money sunk into it because of the way Microsoft went about things with Halo. Hiring contractors to work on a proprietary, in house engine for a year and a half and then hiring a new batch of programmers every 18 months was a recipe for disaster. There was never one solid team of programmers who were experts with the engine to make sure everything is running right and untangle the coding mess when it would break. This entire announcement is one giant "We're Hiring" advertisement, which is a very cool unique thing don't get me wrong but this was less for the fans and more for developers. "Hey we're no longer using our proprietary engine that nobody outside of Microsoft or really 343 Industries knows how to use, now we're using UE5 which is an industry standard!"
Agreed. There's no reason to expect a different outcome, especially after years of mismanagement. IF it works out, it works out. Until then, moving on.
Christ brother im not reading all that but it is a completely new studio brother new leadership a lot of new devs new engine new name new philosophy on how to makes games. Not the same studio
Never trust a company that blatantly lies, last time they promised to have coop, and then said nah after repeatedly telling us they'd have it, add it, and fix it... Then just said nah, we didn't prioritize that at all, try the battle pass.
It worries me how much there stressing the graphics. For most the graphics make you go wow for about 10 seconds then you just accept it as background. If they had put as much stress into saying they were going to work on content and game play id be more inclined to be happy. Like you said been burned too many times ill believe it when i see it.
I am worried because in the video they focused a little too much on graphics and all I can think about is the quote "This space needs to be fun before it's pretty"
Halo Infinite IS fun, but there's no reason to have fun. There wasn't content to grind for, everything was half-baked, the system wasn't like Halo Reach per se. In an area of long term videogame content grinds and games like Warframe showing you can put as much content in a game to last a decade, Halo Infinite simply was a decent game with no reason to play it.
They released a written publication at the same time mentioning gameplay and physics. The vidoc was a hiring call, they are trying to hire people, 3d designers are attracted by the graphic potential
It's more about moving away from slipspace which was a horrible engine responsible for the lack of content in infinite. It's a whole new studio dedicated to making multiple halo titles on a great engine that new hires can easily use.
New Devs every 18 months was the problem with the last game (Microsoft has a policy where contractors can only work on a project for 18 months before moving on).@@Bi9Clapper
5:55 Graphics are important but I think most games nowadays look good enough. They should focus on gameplay mechanics, level building, and story. Then build a sandbox that will keep the community alive for years to come.
Infinite was a good game, but it felt somewhat lifeless. The world was big for the sake of being big. Dynamic lighting and weather never really happened. Wildlife was practically nonexistent. Patrols were far and few between. But I think it was a good learning experience and the semi-open world is a great fit for Halo.
I feel like Capcom really pulled of a miracle with RE Engine and Resident Evil 7. They developed that engine out of pure ambition for the game and it worked out fantastically.
the RE Engine is hands down one of the best out there. Not just because of graphics or performance, which are both great, but also because of the variety you can pull off. First Person Shooter and horror a la Resident Evil 7 and 8, third person shooters a la 2, 3 and 4, but also fast pace beat em ups like DMC5 or Monster Hunter. It is honestly mind blowing that capcom pulled that off. And also Street Fighter 6, Dragon's Dogma 2 and even Dead Rising Remaster.
@@omegacxv8344 Dragons Dogma 2 makes it clear it's not a general good engine and i love that engine for it's insane performance in resident evil but open world is just trash. I still think Ubisoft with Anvil next, snowdrop and EA with frostbite are the best gaming engines. Unreal isn't only a gaming engine it's used in movies. The shader compilation stutters and performance issues are another thing i dislike on unreal 5, it could be a dev problem, we will see.
@@megaman37456You say that as if Sprint is a bad thing for Halo, but I really like the way they implemented it in Infinite, it only being a 10% speed increase. It didn’t feel like an extremely exaggerated advantage unlike CoD’s tactical sprint.
The guy that said it needs to have best-in-class visuals is the Lead FX Artist, and he's absolutely right, given his role. It's crucial for department leads to see their work as integral to the game's success. Each lead and department head should be aiming for 'best-in-class' in their area - that kind of ambition and passion is essential to deliver a truly outstanding product.
agreed and the fact they didnt mention fun , content or gameplay once leads me to believe they havent learned a thing and are probably focusing on how they can make the game shop items look better and more people might buy them.
Because that stopped being a thing??? Old OW employees confirmed this recently. Bobby wanted to charge people for customization, Maps, literally any thing you can think of Bobby cared about making money vs enjoyment.
Main issue with Slipspace were all the Independent Contractors. Microsoft didnt want to hire more longterm staff so a lot of people worked on the engine and then had to leave. Somebody else had to pick up the work and so on. So if they found an issue they had 0 idea how to fix it because the person that developed that part isnt working for Microsoft anymore.
It's not just Microsoft, Valve also had issues making a game while making a new version of Source. If you look at the Final Hours of HL:Alyx, they talk about the problem of feature creep when you work on a game engine and the game at the same time. I think they cite that to the reason L4D3 was not released even though they got quite far into it.
I really hope that the switch to UE5 is not so that their 18 month contractor system can work with a 2 week training period rather than a 6 month training period for the Slipspace engine, it makes me a little scared that that employee practice will be retained to this new studio. I am optimistic about the future and at least we can expect a better product out of the studio than before, but I still have some concerns with that not being addressed. Only time will tell I suppose.
MS didn't give them this. It's MS fault in the first place. Having them hire short term contractors, focusing on unimportant aspects like a new engine that took forever to understand.
With everyone being trained on UE I feel like their team is gonna become so much better at developing the game. Having to hire people and train them on Slipstream was probably why Infinite did so bad
Yeah but the team IS very different Charlie. They laid off half their studio, some reports saying 2/3rds, and rebranded not just to get rid of baggage, but to account for the fact that most of the new people working on Halo now are not from the old company. At least mostly people who weren't around for Halo 4/5. The other big fact to mention is that they didn't just fire "some leadership," but THE leadership. Bonnie Ross, Frank O'Conner, and Kiki Wolfkill called the shots, and they're all gone. Replaced by Pierre Hintz, the stoic leader who led the team that saved MCC and who a lot of the devs are happy working under. A year or two ago they literally had a press release talking about this major shift in leadership. So... it's not "most of the same people," it's basically a new team. Edit: also another huge reason switching to UE5 is important is because they can now hire from an infinite pool of outside talent, which furthers my point. No wasting time teaching new hires how to use their in-house junk every. single. time.
it actually is pretty much a new studio, Microsoft laid off about 95% of the original 343 that created infinite, its all pretty much all new staff and devs. The guy they made the head, Pierre Hintze, is the guy who was responsible for resurrecting halo MCC and fixing it to become an actual content complete and polished game. I am beyond confident in this new Halo Studios, a name change was necessary because it just simply isn't 343 Industries.
My man Pierre Hintze was the one who fixed the shitshow that the MCC was at launch and not only that, added Reach, brought it to PC and added mod support, and now he's the head of the studio so yeah, better not have too high hopes but I see Halo going the right direction, at least it can't go worse that already did with 5
One thing that makes me a bit more optimistic is the fact that they got the guy who fixed the MCC and brought it back from the dead, Pierre Hintze, to be the head of Halo Studios. Hope he can keep up the good work.
That’s not at all what this shift in engines is about. It’s about Halo Studios being able to focus on making a good game, instead of wasting their time focusing on making a good engine.
Not a monopoly but it's the most overwhelmingly used engine in the entire industry. What's the problem? at least to me... is the fact that I can smell it across different games despite vastly different art styles. Once you can recognize the engine in game it "all" feels the same. We need more diversity. That's all.
If any industry should be a monopoly it's this one. In an industry when over 60% of workers are independent contractors nobody has the time to learn new programs when everyone can just use unreal because it's industry standard
@@lunablader7913 oooof preach brother/sister. I guess you saw concords costs? Man, too bad only the actual people who worked on it got hurt. And those middle managers and up just poped their golden parachutes and will go on to work on other games
To be fair to 343, when Bungie made Halo a household name, it was a lot easier to do. There were a lot less games to compete with. Practically everything Bungie did was "never seen before" stuff.
I wish these companies would move the slider from graphics into gameplay. There's indie games that have criminally bad graphics and have sold millions because the gameplay loop slaps.
100% agree. That guy saying that it needs to be the best graphically... No, I didn't buy and play all the original trilogy to death because of the graphics, it was because of story levels, characters, gameplay and multiplayer. I do remember stopping and looking at the halo 3 water in the first mission, but then I got on with finishing the fight.
The gameplay in halo infinite was awesome, albeit a little repetitive. You can tell the developers have learned from their mistakes. Halo 4 is still a slog to play through on legendary.
Fun Fact: The orginal leadership team is gone (Frank, Bonnie, Kiki). Pierre was put in charge 1.5 years ago (the guy who fixed MCC). Shortly after being put in charge, Infinite ACTUALLY started getting fixed & content. Now he's making some good descions for the future!
Something a lot of people don’t get is that most of 343’s staff was completely axed 2 years ago, the ones who were left were the MCC team, and they’ve been rebuilding ever since. They’re not just slapping a new name on the building, this is in essence a brand new studio helmed by the same guy who led the MCC revival. I’m not fully optimistic that Halo will be back, but it at least gives me hope that things will improve.
Are you that desperate for likes? this is the most upvoted comment on the Halo channel and you thought: that's my moment to shine... on Charlie's video.
I think having an entire studio, for the most part, developing a game and a game engine at the same time is poor management. They should have hired devs for solely working on the game engine and with no overlap of the development teams and also have the game development side be one step behind the engine development. So if they work on game 1 on game engine 1, the engine development team would be working, making game engine 2, then game 2 will be worked on engine 2 while engine development team would be working on game engine 3 and etc.
The problem with Slipspace was that nobody who developed it is working on the Halo team anymore. It's all spaghetti code and it was a huge fight to add ANYTHING that wasn't originally baked into the engine. That's why co-op was such a giant task to add. That's why Forge took forever to implement. It was just a bad, halfbaked idea that resulted in so much technical debt that Microsoft couldn't have made another game on it if they wanted to. Moving to Unreal was the only real decision. Hopefully we have better days for Halo ahead.
Does anyone not realize that ever 343 halo has fucked up because they keep changing identities, Halo Infinite did have a bunch of good stuff, so if they're going to start from scratch yet again it begs the question what new bugs are going to show up and what is going to be lost from Infinite to Halo7? Or god forbid a Halo reboot?
Giving 343 the Halo IP would be like if Nintendo gave Ubisoft the Mario IP. They absolutely destroyed the reputation of that game series. It is ridiculous that it took this long for any changes to be made.
@@jakespacepiratee3740How is this shit still regurgitated after over a decade? Only a handful of people from Bungie went to 343 and all creativity was lost after the transition.
This means a rebooted Halo TV show with a director who cares about Halo and has played it, consulting with pros to get feedback, and a studio that gives them time to develop something good, right?
They made this infinitely harder for themselves from the start lol -Slipspace to Unreal (wasted time) -Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2 endings meet (but was not shown in the campaign or characters??) -Arbiter? Hello? Where are you? -Atriox showed at the end but expecting him the whole time -Cortana written off off-screen (only seen in a scene) -Didact discovers truth of Flood/Primordials in a comic (we'll see if they put this in) -The endless are worse than flood? (I hope its not some reused concept like multiverse and time travel) -Weak multiplayer (where are the guns? Customization w/o paying like Reach? Abandon all previous titles and resources to be a disappointment?)
Halo 5 and HW2 were made by separate companies. We know Anders is on a different ring and the Guardian is offline boom solved. Arbiter?? Who cares, he isn't important to Infinites story nor to the main story in general anymore. That is on you. Not 343. Blame the community. They whined that 343 shouldn't have killed Cortana then they brought her back you guys complained once again and so they get rid of her then you complain again they killed her?? Make up your damn minds. Again who cares??? That is not important to the main story. We'll see how they explain it. Chill. Weak?? Brother what?? Infinites MP is leagues better than anything before. Cross core, a good BR and AR instead one or the other, a strong DMR that can compete with both guns, 2 good secondary vehicle destroyer guns (I.E Scavenger and Hudra), the Disruptor and shock rifle are amazing, the Sidekick is also really good, same with the Commando, Bulldog (do wish they bring back the older shotgun too), all of Infinites weapons are really good. It's $10 now $5 for BPs. It's better than grinding for over 100 hours for Armor because of a weakass credit system.
Its mad how any change immediately ignited hope back into everyone. Halo is deeply rooted into all gamers. Especially the generation that are adulrs now. Im scared but i want to believe again
Also with infinite why people didn't like it was the armor cores having armor stuck to one core, same for colors, and the body types were a joke. No real diffrence between male and female body type. Reach did the armor the best and I still find myself going back to earn armor pieces.
For those interested: before the change, developers described the work environment at 343 as “feudalist” where different departments would fight each other for more resources from the heads. Each team was incredibly segmented from one another as well and communication was poor. The old leads were quite egotistical making brash decisions that actively harmed development, for example, the campaign team had to beg the sandbox lead not to cut the plasma pistol, only barely managing to save it. It was a leadership of egotism and over ambition that destroyed halo infinite. But now those people are all gone, and the new head is the man who lead the charge to fix the MCC and bring it to PC. I’m not 100% convinced they can pull off something spectacular, but i’m certainly no longer cynical
They didn't get rid of a lot of the leadership, they got rid of ALL of the leadership. And the studio was gutted with layoffs 2 years ago and a lot of others just left. This truly is a new studio
Lol, people getting screwed in the ass by 343 only for them to go "i won't do it again" over and over. And each time people go like "well maybe they finally changed..maybe this is the one." When will you learn smh.
Telling you right now their engine has almost nothing to do with the quality of their games. Unreal Engine 5 isnt gonna magically give them better ideas than they had for the past 3 halo games. People are actually coping with the excitement they are showcasing from a simple engine swap announcement and studio rebranding.
You missed the entire blog and other comments they've mentioned about what they can now do with UE5 that Blam and it's upgraded cousin Slipspace can do in terms of gameplay
@@SovettaParmetta You call it pessimism I call it realism. You wanna be taken along for another ride that's on you. Your willingness to lower your standards to this point are very telling. They have to EARN trust back. You wanna be their whale that's your prerogative. I'm sure they'd appreciate your pre-orders.
@@Carpediem357 You missed the part where 343 used freelancers to work on their engine instead of a dedicated, in-house team. That's what primarily led to the issues no the capabilities of the engine. Workers would have to spend months just learning the engine just to do a bit of patchwork just to be replaced by new freelancers. If you all want to pin the detriment of halo on a damn game engine then I'm afraid none of you have actually been paying attention for nearly 15 years.
I really hope it goes back to the Halo 3/ODST kinda times, they were such good games...and such good looking too. Reach was a masterpiece too. Such a shame what happened in Halo 4 +
Accepting that the engine they were developing was a dead end is honestly insane, how many AAA studios these days are coming out and saying “my bad we will do better”. I’m actually a little excited about this!
@@SeasoningTheObeseidk if they had waited until infinite was in the current state it would actually be a solid game as long as they don’t mess around with the stupid slip space garbage
We all know what makes a great Halo campaign. Halo's multiplayer however feels like it hasn't been *really* good since Halo 3 or Reach. Halo's multiplayer since the beginning was always meant to be a party shooter game. Joining up with your friends, pre/post game lobbies, super customizable game rules, a ton of maps, and being able to fully customize your spartan with a fun progression system tied to it. Halo's multiplayer used to be far more social. Making Halo Infinite a live service competitive shooter lost all of that.
meh, hardly comical or spectacular. Following Halo 3 release and reception, franchise reached level that you will get shitted on regardless of outcome, and it started with Reach which had first vocal critique regardless how small in comparison to universal praise or acceptance. And each 343 Halo title had something going for it, like 4th story, 5th multiplayer or Infinite's open/sanbox styled campaign. Compare it with giant IP like CoD, BF or Fallout. Each had actual utter disaster releases. Halo had none, but neither had solid game across the spectrum.
Charlie not only did they get rid of most of the old leadership, most of the studio staff are new as well. There are some “343 survivors” remaining but most of the people who worked on halo infinite are gone.
are graphical improvements even a good selling point anymore? Leaps in graphics back then were life changing. Leaps in graphics today are small compared to then.
nah im sick of unreal engine. im sick of every game being on unreal engines, im sick of unreal engine taking its name far too seriously and making everything look cartoony, greasy and slippery looking.
I'm not sure how much they poured into Slipspace, but it is of note that Slipspace wasn't necessarily a new engine. Slipspace was a refined version of the original Blam! engine, and what ended up causing them the headache in Infinite was the vast amounts of technical debt that came with a 20+ year old engine
I heard it was the contractors. Microsoft kept hiring temp workers to help develop the engine and rotating them out every few months until almost no one knew how the engine worked
Making your own engine is almost always a huge mistake. It effectively ruined FF15s development and even the devs themselves hate the frostbite engine EA made.
Just a reminder that 343i was named after a character that betrays master chief, which is really funny.
Even he redeemed himself though
Or at least tried
And by the third game in the trilogy he died like the company
not even once, 343 guilty spark betrayed the chief 2 times
@@bigdoggo5827true. In both halo 1 and halo 3.
@@bigdoggo5827 To be fair, from his perspective Chief betrays him twice. MC and 343 always had different goals and sometimes they forgot that lol
I really wish someone could just say “we fucked up and we are going to try and make up for it”
They said that, just in PR speak. But the people that fucked it up are gone, this is a whole restructuring as well as a rebranding.
CDR did basically that.
@@Meowtroit's still people who have no experience with halo, your jumping the gun and the games that will come from halo studios will most likely suck and ruin the franchise.
@@Meowtro that’s what got me railed up, speak plain to gamers would be greatly appreciated
isnt that what this is tho?
“Child of my Enemy, why have you come? I offer no Forgiveness, for a Fathers Sins, passed to his Son.”
-Gravemind spitting facts
"We exist together now, two corpses, in one grave"
Pretty much perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this.
@@G36C-556 me when Joseph Staten briefly joined 343: “This is not your grave…but you are welcome in it.”
The fans to Halo Studios
@@jakespacepiratee3740His performance as the propaganda tower grunt was legendary
"This rebranding suits you, but it cannot hide that mark."
"Nothing ever will."
“You, are Halo Studios. The will of the Halo fans. And these, are my Fan-Content creators. Their lives matter to me, yours does not.”
“That makes two of us.”
“Hmm.”
"We trade one villain for another"
“This is not your engine but you are welcome in it”
lmfao
"release me or create me 343, but do not waste everyone's time with talk!"
Guy's let's be real, while yes this is a hype/hopeful look towards the future, the reality is we have absolutely no idea what the next Halo game will look like or play like just because they're switching to a new engine. The showcase yesterday was all a tech demo, it doesn't actually mean the game in development will look exactly like that.
Slipspace was only a bad engine that had so much money sunk into it because of the way Microsoft went about things with Halo. Hiring contractors to work on a proprietary, in house engine for a year and a half and then hiring a new batch of programmers every 18 months was a recipe for disaster. There was never one solid team of programmers who were experts with the engine to make sure everything is running right and untangle the coding mess when it would break.
This entire announcement is one giant "We're Hiring" advertisement, which is a very cool unique thing don't get me wrong but this was less for the fans and more for developers. "Hey we're no longer using our proprietary engine that nobody outside of Microsoft or really 343 Industries knows how to use, now we're using UE5 which is an industry standard!"
Agreed. There's no reason to expect a different outcome, especially after years of mismanagement. IF it works out, it works out. Until then, moving on.
Look up the chief of staff at 343 and you'll know everything you need to know about the future of halo
it definitely felt like a job posting more than a future look
Christ brother im not reading all that but it is a completely new studio brother new leadership a lot of new devs new engine new name new philosophy on how to makes games. Not the same studio
@@Bi9Clapper That doesn't guarantee anything, future Halo games could still be ass.
I’ll believe Halo is coming back when I see a bit more proof than a “we promise it’s gonna be better now guys”
Right burnt too many times
Never trust a company that blatantly lies, last time they promised to have coop, and then said nah after repeatedly telling us they'd have it, add it, and fix it... Then just said nah, we didn't prioritize that at all, try the battle pass.
getting rid of the god awful infinite management is a good step though, that's not nothing
No one even said this
It worries me how much there stressing the graphics. For most the graphics make you go wow for about 10 seconds then you just accept it as background. If they had put as much stress into saying they were going to work on content and game play id be more inclined to be happy. Like you said been burned too many times ill believe it when i see it.
Halo Infinite costing over $500 million is actually insane.
RDR2 had the same budget mind you, and look what came out of it.
Shit it's better than Concord 😂
@@TheRandom3410the story actually wasn’t bad but it should’ve been longer and the open world was definitely a fail
That probably includes the engine too though, not just the game.
that's more than the second Joker movie that just came out revenue!
I am worried because in the video they focused a little too much on graphics and all I can think about is the quote "This space needs to be fun before it's pretty"
Well said. I don't understand how they don't understand this.
Graphic fidelity at the cost of performance! Seriously, it seems like a lot of devs that use unreal do this and get clowned on, on release.
Halo Infinite IS fun, but there's no reason to have fun.
There wasn't content to grind for, everything was half-baked, the system wasn't like Halo Reach per se. In an area of long term videogame content grinds and games like Warframe showing you can put as much content in a game to last a decade, Halo Infinite simply was a decent game with no reason to play it.
They released a written publication at the same time mentioning gameplay and physics. The vidoc was a hiring call, they are trying to hire people, 3d designers are attracted by the graphic potential
It's more about moving away from slipspace which was a horrible engine responsible for the lack of content in infinite. It's a whole new studio dedicated to making multiple halo titles on a great engine that new hires can easily use.
Why should I care about their promises like "best in class graphics?" They never deliver on their marketing promises anyways.
New studio brother completely new leadership and a lot of new devs
@@Bi9Clapper yeah I give them a chance.
@@Bi9Clapper That means literally nothing.
New Devs every 18 months was the problem with the last game (Microsoft has a policy where contractors can only work on a project for 18 months before moving on).@@Bi9Clapper
The idea of having one ip for a game company naming your company after it sounds so stupid
5:55 Graphics are important but I think most games nowadays look good enough. They should focus on gameplay mechanics, level building, and story. Then build a sandbox that will keep the community alive for years to come.
Infinite was a good game, but it felt somewhat lifeless. The world was big for the sake of being big. Dynamic lighting and weather never really happened. Wildlife was practically nonexistent. Patrols were far and few between. But I think it was a good learning experience and the semi-open world is a great fit for Halo.
ODST 2 in Unreal Engine would open my wallet faster than tossing singles at a stripper
amen brother
facts! As long as there's no microtransactions, battlepasses, or Modern audience writers.
@@TheeMango04 amen
Fax
@@megaman37456I would be ok with battle passes as long as their was a way to go back to them, even for the ones you didn’t buy
I feel like Capcom really pulled of a miracle with RE Engine and Resident Evil 7. They developed that engine out of pure ambition for the game and it worked out fantastically.
Not just for RE7, but it's pretty insane how many different kinds of games the RE Engine can handle. It truly is a miracle.
the RE Engine is hands down one of the best out there. Not just because of graphics or performance, which are both great, but also because of the variety you can pull off. First Person Shooter and horror a la Resident Evil 7 and 8, third person shooters a la 2, 3 and 4, but also fast pace beat em ups like DMC5 or Monster Hunter. It is honestly mind blowing that capcom pulled that off. And also Street Fighter 6, Dragon's Dogma 2 and even Dead Rising Remaster.
What capcom is doing rn in general is nuts. SF6 runs on the RE engine and I’d say it’s never looked/been better. So does DMC5 and I’d say the same
@@omegacxv8344 Dragons Dogma 2 makes it clear it's not a general good engine and i love that engine for it's insane performance in resident evil but open world is just trash.
I still think Ubisoft with Anvil next, snowdrop and EA with frostbite are the best gaming engines. Unreal isn't only a gaming engine it's used in movies. The shader compilation stutters and performance issues are another thing i dislike on unreal 5, it could be a dev problem, we will see.
While Slipspace was for Infinite but didn't pan out compared to RE7.
Please, please, please make an actual Halo game. PLEASE.
Just gonna say this: Expect sprint in every Halo moving forward.
However I would LOVE to see a Halo 3 Anniversary edition in Unreal 5.
@@megaman37456Halo has bigger problems than it having "Sprint"..
@@megaman37456You say that as if Sprint is a bad thing for Halo, but I really like the way they implemented it in Infinite, it only being a 10% speed increase. It didn’t feel like an extremely exaggerated advantage unlike CoD’s tactical sprint.
@@Kulkogo they have been fucking up for the past 12 years are you gonna expect somthing diffrent?
@@SilverGeFerfr these clowns are still crying about sprint simply because cod did it first
Name change doesn't mean crap until they can actually put a finished and actually decent game.
The guy that said it needs to have best-in-class visuals is the Lead FX Artist, and he's absolutely right, given his role. It's crucial for department leads to see their work as integral to the game's success. Each lead and department head should be aiming for 'best-in-class' in their area - that kind of ambition and passion is essential to deliver a truly outstanding product.
I swear large game companies will do anything but say they're working for the video GAMES to be fun.
agreed and the fact they didnt mention fun , content or gameplay once leads me to believe they havent learned a thing and are probably focusing on how they can make the game shop items look better and more people might buy them.
Because that stopped being a thing??? Old OW employees confirmed this recently.
Bobby wanted to charge people for customization, Maps, literally any thing you can think of Bobby cared about making money vs enjoyment.
Making games fun is way down the list on AAA companies games.
They better not fuck this up!
They will, its still mostly 343 hacks working on it.
They only have the past 3 times
Its 343 what do you think thay will do
Narrator: they fucked it up
Bro it’s been how many years since 343 took over. How are you still in that early of stages of denial
Main issue with Slipspace were all the Independent Contractors. Microsoft didnt want to hire more longterm staff so a lot of people worked on the engine and then had to leave. Somebody else had to pick up the work and so on. So if they found an issue they had 0 idea how to fix it because the person that developed that part isnt working for Microsoft anymore.
Year long contracts with a 6 month learning curve for the engine - Microsoft's definition of good management practices
Wow thats actually so dumb. Why do companies love losing money so much?
Thats funny, because that exactly what Cyberpunk did.
@@zzzzzzzzzz_me good employees pay for themselves. They have to think long term. Not just saving a buck now.
It's not just Microsoft, Valve also had issues making a game while making a new version of Source. If you look at the Final Hours of HL:Alyx, they talk about the problem of feature creep when you work on a game engine and the game at the same time. I think they cite that to the reason L4D3 was not released even though they got quite far into it.
I really hope that the switch to UE5 is not so that their 18 month contractor system can work with a 2 week training period rather than a 6 month training period for the Slipspace engine, it makes me a little scared that that employee practice will be retained to this new studio. I am optimistic about the future and at least we can expect a better product out of the studio than before, but I still have some concerns with that not being addressed. Only time will tell I suppose.
I’d love to see a halo game from the covenants perspective. I feel like it would bring new concepts into the franchise as a whole.
I think it looks pretty good visually, but I'm just worried with all these big companies just absolutely flopping recently.
Halo’s been flopping for over a decade anyway, what’s to lose?
Cheif's armor still looks like plastic, I'm not sure why their 3D artists just can't nail it
The things is, Halo was already a flopp
@@PVNTHRYou have to pay for the decent looking suits.😉
@@AxlFG best not be talking about 1 - reach
You know you messed up as a company when Microsoft gives you the whole witness protection treatment with a new identity and everything
MS didn't give them this. It's MS fault in the first place. Having them hire short term contractors, focusing on unimportant aspects like a new engine that took forever to understand.
Halo isn’t really back until we get the resurrection of Cortana’s phat caboose
amen.
Dammit Caboose
pin this comment charlie
True
Amen.
Guys, how many times are we going to get excited for Halo news? The past decade and a half should tell you this will be a huge disappointment.
Halo fans never learn. They're like an abused wife constantly going back to their husband after he beat them.
@@Johnspartan296way too accurate
With everyone being trained on UE I feel like their team is gonna become so much better at developing the game. Having to hire people and train them on Slipstream was probably why Infinite did so bad
1:06 burger king catching strays
I love Burger King :(
BK = Booty Krust
While being eay better than the mCdOn
thank fuck Burger King and Maccas are different based on country, cuz BK here where i live is baller.
Either the BK where I live is one of the very few with decent food, or my taste buds are fucked cause I really don't get the hate
No studio or dev team deserves the benefit of the doubt in 2024
Wrong GGG games definitely does they make Path of Exile
Especially not 2k
No need for giving them the benefit of the doubt, just be unbiased
Ya but it's halo
Devolver digital
Halo And Gears might be making a come back? My child hood may be saved
Nope sorry
Good time to be an Xbox fan rn. We’ve been through a decade of absolute shit.
bludist who ask, i are way betters yours are is sucks
bro just watch the video
people get excited too fast to easily. wait and see.
Yeah but the team IS very different Charlie. They laid off half their studio, some reports saying 2/3rds, and rebranded not just to get rid of baggage, but to account for the fact that most of the new people working on Halo now are not from the old company. At least mostly people who weren't around for Halo 4/5. The other big fact to mention is that they didn't just fire "some leadership," but THE leadership. Bonnie Ross, Frank O'Conner, and Kiki Wolfkill called the shots, and they're all gone. Replaced by Pierre Hintz, the stoic leader who led the team that saved MCC and who a lot of the devs are happy working under. A year or two ago they literally had a press release talking about this major shift in leadership. So... it's not "most of the same people," it's basically a new team.
Edit: also another huge reason switching to UE5 is important is because they can now hire from an infinite pool of outside talent, which furthers my point. No wasting time teaching new hires how to use their in-house junk every. single. time.
it actually is pretty much a new studio, Microsoft laid off about 95% of the original 343 that created infinite, its all pretty much all new staff and devs. The guy they made the head, Pierre Hintze, is the guy who was responsible for resurrecting halo MCC and fixing it to become an actual content complete and polished game. I am beyond confident in this new Halo Studios, a name change was necessary because it just simply isn't 343 Industries.
Charlie brother you gotta get outta Florida 💀
That’s what I’m saying
Why
@@Introvertical873 theres a 2nd hurricane this week 😂
@@jackw.1342 oh alr.
Burger King couldn’t escape Charlie
My man Pierre Hintze was the one who fixed the shitshow that the MCC was at launch and not only that, added Reach, brought it to PC and added mod support, and now he's the head of the studio so yeah, better not have too high hopes but I see Halo going the right direction, at least it can't go worse that already did with 5
One thing that makes me a bit more optimistic is the fact that they got the guy who fixed the MCC and brought it back from the dead, Pierre Hintze, to be the head of Halo Studios. Hope he can keep up the good work.
NGL folks, I don't think more realistic graphics can save this game, it's only going to help the trailers look better
That’s not at all what this shift in engines is about. It’s about Halo Studios being able to focus on making a good game, instead of wasting their time focusing on making a good engine.
im actually more concerned about how unreal is becoming a monopoly
I don't think I got the memo.
What's wrong with unreal?
Is it? I haven't played any recently released game that runs on any version of Unreal.
hmmm? the game engine? relearn how and the use of monopoly please!
Not a monopoly but it's the most overwhelmingly used engine in the entire industry.
What's the problem? at least to me... is the fact that I can smell it across different games despite vastly different art styles.
Once you can recognize the engine in game it "all" feels the same.
We need more diversity. That's all.
If any industry should be a monopoly it's this one. In an industry when over 60% of workers are independent contractors nobody has the time to learn new programs when everyone can just use unreal because it's industry standard
Halo Infinite costing AT LEAST $500 million is CRAZYYY
Where tf did that money go, especially considering the graphical issues when it was revealed
@@theswagman1263dawg he just explained did u not watch the video
Money laundering goes hard.
At least microsoft and sony got something in common
@@lunablader7913 oooof preach brother/sister.
I guess you saw concords costs? Man, too bad only the actual people who worked on it got hurt. And those middle managers and up just poped their golden parachutes and will go on to work on other games
UA-cam thought they could keep this away from me for two minutes.
Lucky they kept me away for 15😭
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The Halo Studios announcement trailer was uploaded 18 hours ago.
Everyone saying the song “Ish - Voicemail” is a diss for UA-camrs 😮😮😮
To be fair to 343, when Bungie made Halo a household name, it was a lot easier to do. There were a lot less games to compete with. Practically everything Bungie did was "never seen before" stuff.
2:12 excited but scared too
Halo situation is crazy.
Pyro ahh title
@@WinterBoots15it’s literally a joke about charlie’s titles
Insert agreeable and average take
@@WinterBoots15 he’d probably spend 3 hours talking about what a video game is
I wish these companies would move the slider from graphics into gameplay. There's indie games that have criminally bad graphics and have sold millions because the gameplay loop slaps.
100% agree. That guy saying that it needs to be the best graphically... No, I didn't buy and play all the original trilogy to death because of the graphics, it was because of story levels, characters, gameplay and multiplayer. I do remember stopping and looking at the halo 3 water in the first mission, but then I got on with finishing the fight.
Cruelty Squad has horrendous graphics on purpose and it sold like crazy.
The gameplay in halo infinite was awesome, albeit a little repetitive. You can tell the developers have learned from their mistakes. Halo 4 is still a slog to play through on legendary.
Fun Fact: The orginal leadership team is gone (Frank, Bonnie, Kiki). Pierre was put in charge 1.5 years ago (the guy who fixed MCC). Shortly after being put in charge, Infinite ACTUALLY started getting fixed & content. Now he's making some good descions for the future!
Something a lot of people don’t get is that most of 343’s staff was completely axed 2 years ago, the ones who were left were the MCC team, and they’ve been rebuilding ever since. They’re not just slapping a new name on the building, this is in essence a brand new studio helmed by the same guy who led the MCC revival. I’m not fully optimistic that Halo will be back, but it at least gives me hope that things will improve.
It's not the money you put into the project it's the passion the creators have
Yup
and they have none left.
Bungie never cared about making money they genuinely enjoyed creating halos which is a big reason it was so good
Gotta pay for those DEI consultants and pocketing the rest!
Bro the hurricane
It's a mandatory Evac, but maybe he pre recorded this.
A piece of brick came flying and hit my cat's ass lmao. Glad he's ok
No hurricane will stop The Penguin
He gonna steam that shit 😂
The hurricane fears the moist man
Ngl it’s hilarious knowing that they changed the studio name because they needed to specify “we are not THAT studio everybody hates anymore”.
Stolen straight from the official release video. Have you no shame?
They are though.
Are you that desperate for likes? this is the most upvoted comment on the Halo channel and you thought: that's my moment to shine... on Charlie's video.
Just for those who are skeptical, please remain skeptical. However, virtually no one who worked for 343i is working for Halo Studio.
I think having an entire studio, for the most part, developing a game and a game engine at the same time is poor management.
They should have hired devs for solely working on the game engine and with no overlap of the development teams and also have the game development side be one step behind the engine development.
So if they work on game 1 on game engine 1, the engine development team would be working, making game engine 2, then game 2 will be worked on engine 2 while engine development team would be working on game engine 3 and etc.
I'll withhold judgement until full release. This is putting makeup on a pig as far as I care.
People overhype companies using UE for their games, it's good yes, but it's not a magic bullet.
The problem with Slipspace was that nobody who developed it is working on the Halo team anymore. It's all spaghetti code and it was a huge fight to add ANYTHING that wasn't originally baked into the engine. That's why co-op was such a giant task to add. That's why Forge took forever to implement. It was just a bad, halfbaked idea that resulted in so much technical debt that Microsoft couldn't have made another game on it if they wanted to.
Moving to Unreal was the only real decision. Hopefully we have better days for Halo ahead.
I'm still not excited about Halo. 343 burnt me for having hope many times, I'm no longer excited for anything new.
Does anyone not realize that ever 343 halo has fucked up because they keep changing identities, Halo Infinite did have a bunch of good stuff, so if they're going to start from scratch yet again it begs the question what new bugs are going to show up and what is going to be lost from Infinite to Halo7? Or god forbid a Halo reboot?
Damn, That's some UNREAL changes
Giving 343 the Halo IP would be like if Nintendo gave Ubisoft the Mario IP. They absolutely destroyed the reputation of that game series. It is ridiculous that it took this long for any changes to be made.
Ubisoft mario vs rabbids was good though :/
@@nofaults Apparently the main producer for some reason was really passionate about the project which why it was as good as it was.
343 worked alongside Bungie way back in the day so that’s not even comparable.
@@nofaults good? Underrated I would say😄
@@jakespacepiratee3740How is this shit still regurgitated after over a decade? Only a handful of people from Bungie went to 343 and all creativity was lost after the transition.
Just remember, the us military could establish a functioning burger king in any terrestrial theater within operations within 24 hours. Look it up
I'll never get over them destroying Infinity basicaly off-screen. That's like taking away Normandy between games.
8:34 Andrea Gausmann showing up for one frame before getting cutt out 😂
Remember, almost everybody, including the leadership, who developed Halo Infinite was fired, this isn’t the same studio
This means a rebooted Halo TV show with a director who cares about Halo and has played it, consulting with pros to get feedback, and a studio that gives them time to develop something good, right?
Ah yes, the good old days of watching other people play Halo....
It's mostly a different team. The head guy is the person who fixed MCC.
Companies really need to learn that the vast majority of the time graphics are the least important part of the game
They made this infinitely harder for themselves from the start lol
-Slipspace to Unreal (wasted time)
-Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2 endings meet (but was not shown in the campaign or characters??)
-Arbiter? Hello? Where are you?
-Atriox showed at the end but expecting him the whole time
-Cortana written off off-screen (only seen in a scene)
-Didact discovers truth of Flood/Primordials in a comic (we'll see if they put this in)
-The endless are worse than flood? (I hope its not some reused concept like multiverse and time travel)
-Weak multiplayer (where are the guns? Customization w/o paying like Reach? Abandon all previous titles and resources to be a disappointment?)
Halo 5 and HW2 were made by separate companies. We know Anders is on a different ring and the Guardian is offline boom solved.
Arbiter?? Who cares, he isn't important to Infinites story nor to the main story in general anymore.
That is on you. Not 343.
Blame the community. They whined that 343 shouldn't have killed Cortana then they brought her back you guys complained once again and so they get rid of her then you complain again they killed her?? Make up your damn minds.
Again who cares??? That is not important to the main story.
We'll see how they explain it. Chill.
Weak?? Brother what?? Infinites MP is leagues better than anything before. Cross core, a good BR and AR instead one or the other, a strong DMR that can compete with both guns, 2 good secondary vehicle destroyer guns (I.E Scavenger and Hudra), the Disruptor and shock rifle are amazing, the Sidekick is also really good, same with the Commando, Bulldog (do wish they bring back the older shotgun too), all of Infinites weapons are really good.
It's $10 now $5 for BPs. It's better than grinding for over 100 hours for Armor because of a weakass credit system.
@@Carpediem357 found a fanboy.
@@MattigityIsBombigity found the idiot who blindly sucks off Bungie
@@MattigityIsBombigity so correcting you and calling out your errors makes me a fanboy. That's sad
I only want to hear that they are making Halo Wars 3. That is all I care about. I would accept a second ODST.
Its mad how any change immediately ignited hope back into everyone. Halo is deeply rooted into all gamers. Especially the generation that are adulrs now. Im scared but i want to believe again
Also with infinite why people didn't like it was the armor cores having armor stuck to one core, same for colors, and the body types were a joke. No real diffrence between male and female body type.
Reach did the armor the best and I still find myself going back to earn armor pieces.
For those interested: before the change, developers described the work environment at 343 as “feudalist” where different departments would fight each other for more resources from the heads. Each team was incredibly segmented from one another as well and communication was poor. The old leads were quite egotistical making brash decisions that actively harmed development, for example, the campaign team had to beg the sandbox lead not to cut the plasma pistol, only barely managing to save it. It was a leadership of egotism and over ambition that destroyed halo infinite. But now those people are all gone, and the new head is the man who lead the charge to fix the MCC and bring it to PC. I’m not 100% convinced they can pull off something spectacular, but i’m certainly no longer cynical
nothing more florida man than ignoring evac orders
I will forgive them if they bring back those female Spartans from Halo 5
Courious to see how bad they are going to fuck this up
They didn't get rid of a lot of the leadership, they got rid of ALL of the leadership. And the studio was gutted with layoffs 2 years ago and a lot of others just left. This truly is a new studio
Lol, people getting screwed in the ass by 343 only for them to go "i won't do it again" over and over. And each time people go like "well maybe they finally changed..maybe this is the one."
When will you learn smh.
Telling you right now their engine has almost nothing to do with the quality of their games. Unreal Engine 5 isnt gonna magically give them better ideas than they had for the past 3 halo games. People are actually coping with the excitement they are showcasing from a simple engine swap announcement and studio rebranding.
Nope, COMPLETELY new management. It’s essentially a different company now. Any pessimism is irrelevant until proven guilty
You missed the entire blog and other comments they've mentioned about what they can now do with UE5 that Blam and it's upgraded cousin Slipspace can do in terms of gameplay
Except it kinda does
@@SovettaParmetta You call it pessimism I call it realism. You wanna be taken along for another ride that's on you. Your willingness to lower your standards to this point are very telling. They have to EARN trust back. You wanna be their whale that's your prerogative. I'm sure they'd appreciate your pre-orders.
@@Carpediem357 You missed the part where 343 used freelancers to work on their engine instead of a dedicated, in-house team. That's what primarily led to the issues no the capabilities of the engine. Workers would have to spend months just learning the engine just to do a bit of patchwork just to be replaced by new freelancers. If you all want to pin the detriment of halo on a damn game engine then I'm afraid none of you have actually been paying attention for nearly 15 years.
I really hope it goes back to the Halo 3/ODST kinda times, they were such good games...and such good looking too. Reach was a masterpiece too. Such a shame what happened in Halo 4 +
For as disappointing Infinite was, it still played like a Halo game. I hope they can get the physics and gunplay to feel right in UE5
If Splitgate can get close, I’m sure a dev team with more budget can get it even closer or on par
That shit did *not* play like a Halo game. It was closer than 4 and 5 - but not HALO.
It’s literally a reskin of 343,
No other real news here.
There’s no copium left in the fan base
This is why Epic deserves respect. This AAA studio is downloading a game engine, that you could also download for free as well.
A name change and empty promises means jack s**t if I'm being honest.
You must be fun at parties.
this is the same studio that gaslit and outright insulted its own community for over 10 years.
@@CyberSlayer128 Much of the people who worked on Infinite are gone lmao. It's pretty much a reboot of the studio
@@TheTytan007 I don’t see hope for any major change unless upper management gets the boot and by that I mean beyond the studio itself.
@@TheTytan007 I don’t see hope for any major change unless upper management gets the boot and by that I mean beyond the studio itself.
Accepting that the engine they were developing was a dead end is honestly insane, how many AAA studios these days are coming out and saying “my bad we will do better”. I’m actually a little excited about this!
343 has said "my bad we will do better" for 12 years straight.
@@SeasoningTheObeseidk if they had waited until infinite was in the current state it would actually be a solid game as long as they don’t mess around with the stupid slip space garbage
We're so back baby
We all know what makes a great Halo campaign. Halo's multiplayer however feels like it hasn't been *really* good since Halo 3 or Reach. Halo's multiplayer since the beginning was always meant to be a party shooter game. Joining up with your friends, pre/post game lobbies, super customizable game rules, a ton of maps, and being able to fully customize your spartan with a fun progression system tied to it. Halo's multiplayer used to be far more social. Making Halo Infinite a live service competitive shooter lost all of that.
Visuals are sprinkles, gameplay is forever
Nah 343 changing their name to halostudios is just like how Diddy goes by the name brother love. Theyre still the same mfks.
So then Bungie is the same then?? The Bungie who has made Destiny 2 is the same ones that made Halo?
@Carpediem357 it's Bungo nowadays
@@giovannisalinas2976 not according to him it's not
It’s comically bad how 343 has handled the halo IP
Meh I had fun, they didn’t do bad they just did alright, and with the halo community there is no pleasing everyone as is common knowledge
@@SovettaParmettagenuinely happy you had fun with it.
meh, hardly comical or spectacular. Following Halo 3 release and reception, franchise reached level that you will get shitted on regardless of outcome, and it started with Reach which had first vocal critique regardless how small in comparison to universal praise or acceptance. And each 343 Halo title had something going for it, like 4th story, 5th multiplayer or Infinite's open/sanbox styled campaign. Compare it with giant IP like CoD, BF or Fallout. Each had actual utter disaster releases. Halo had none, but neither had solid game across the spectrum.
I'll believe that when I see it, so many UE5 games have been pure slop.
Charlie not only did they get rid of most of the old leadership, most of the studio staff are new as well. There are some “343 survivors” remaining but most of the people who worked on halo infinite are gone.
The energy sword looks fucking sick
as long as Halo or any other franchise is under Xbox, I have no faith in it
Under Xbox what’s that even mean? Halo is owned by Microsoft and is available on PC
You mean Microsoft? And Xbox made the first 3 games too you know
Are we not gonna talk about the hurricane?
are graphical improvements even a good selling point anymore?
Leaps in graphics back then were life changing. Leaps in graphics today are small compared to then.
nah im sick of unreal engine. im sick of every game being on unreal engines, im sick of unreal engine taking its name far too seriously and making everything look cartoony, greasy and slippery looking.
Charlie is 5’2
I'm not sure how much they poured into Slipspace, but it is of note that Slipspace wasn't necessarily a new engine.
Slipspace was a refined version of the original Blam! engine, and what ended up causing them the headache in Infinite was the vast amounts of technical debt that came with a 20+ year old engine
I heard it was the contractors. Microsoft kept hiring temp workers to help develop the engine and rotating them out every few months until almost no one knew how the engine worked
@jdizzy192 yeah I heard that was well. By the time they learned the engine it was time to leave
They... Learned. What the hell is going on I've never seen a game studio do that before.
It's still gonna suck ass😂
As much as I love OG Halo it's too early to say if they have learned anything
CD Projekt Red
Your jumping the gun
Learned to attempt to wipe their slate and go under the radar. Who knows if anything is actually changing til we get to the gameplay demo.
11:25 agreed! I’m very hopeful, but still skeptical.
Making your own engine is almost always a huge mistake. It effectively ruined FF15s development and even the devs themselves hate the frostbite engine EA made.
Their next game is going to be a halo 1 Ue5 remake. Mark my words
CE might be my favourite, thing is, I already own it
I'd bet 3 honestly. Approaching 20 years and it has enough hype to reinvigorate the franchise