DANY!!?!?!? | Game of Thrones 8x5 REACTION | “The Bells”
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Not y’all being happy she burned innocent people alive. 😭😭😭
It doesn't matter who can take that episode serious anyways.
Right lol. I was a little disappointed but glad they explained themselves a little more at the end. Lol 🥴😩
I was fine with the show having her turn mad but they did it so quick it didn’t feel authentic
Lmao no one takes the last season seriously enough to even care 💀
Fr lmao. I been a fan ever since their scary movie reactions but they missed it on this ep and the next 🤦🏻♂️ all that dramatic standing up and shiii for nothing 😂
'What's the point in killing innocents?'
...like...like the innocents Dany just burned for no reason? 👀 Everyone was on board until she started burning civilians
The battle was over when the bells were rung, nobody would even care if she just went to the red keep and burned it to the ground. The whole reason why the mad king was killed was because he said 'burn them all'
The whole of Kingslanding had big spears pointing at Drogon... How was she supposed to know if it was another trick??? US did the same thing in Japan and the war was over.
@@thalentekhuluse2829 she didn't massacre the entire city because she didn't know whether it was a trick or not though. She did it because she let her emotions get the better of her. You can see it written all over her face.
@@cherryfreckle Sometimes it needed to stop wars. We've seen it over the years. Especially US doing it.
Yep. I was disappointed in Sophie and Mair for being COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL lol. Homeboy was so worked up he sat with a frown and crossed arms saying "...kill em. I don't care. How bout don't care? Hahaha.." I gave these guys too much credit.@@cherryfreckle
@@lagronemikal I didn't care either because of how bad the show forced that situation.
Tyrion did not free Jaime for the greater good. He freed because he is his brother and he loved him.
Exactly
Facts.
Exactly why he is useless. I hope Tyrion is much better written in following book material if it ever comes out.
@aegonthedragon6341 The only reason why tyrion is alive is cause of jaimie when he set him free, not to mention any fond memories tyrion has is because of jaimie, he kinda owes him his life
@@aegonthedragon6341Yeah they really dumbed Tyrion down from season 5 onwards.
The agreement was the Lanister army would go to the north to fight the Army of the dead. And then they would see what happens after .Jamie kept his word and then went back kings landing. He had no obligation to stay with Danny.
Arya calling The Hound Sandor makes me feel feelings every time.
Every
time.
🥹
Ugh that whole fight is so emotional 😭
Yes. I guess I was just hoping he and Arya would just form their own little adventuring party and skip the whole Kings Landing business.
Besties for life
Remember Dany burned all the people who ALSO HATED CERCEI.
Who also cheered for the loyal and Nobel Ned Starls head. They love action they got it.
@@aprilnicole9596 wrong.. that was a crowd of 150 people.
Kings landing is composed of 50k gendrys and 35k sir davos etc etc.
@@prico3358YESSS BURN HER ASS👏👏
@@aprilnicole9596The people cheered during Ned's execution because he publicly confessed to treason. The action they wanted was justice. It's absurd to hold them accountable when they were unaware they were being lied to. And it's not like the entire population of King's Landing was even present for that.
Ah ,come on guys, they rang the bells and Danny still burnt them. She could have just went for Cercei but she chose to burn the innocent people too.
Who cares everything the character did was because the showrunners wanted to make her worst than Cersei in 1 episode.
@@aegonthedragon6341 they been setting up for her turn since the beginning of the series. Yeah it was rushed, but none of her arch is a suprise.
@tonyflores1318 how?💀, what hints did she give?
Nah, yall wrong for the lack of empathy on all the innocent peoples deaths.
You were constantly shown Cersi didn't care about the people and the opposite for Dany.
If Dany had this behavior early on you wouldn't of rolled with her.
SHE HAD ALREADY WON. THE BELLS WRUNG. SHE DID NOT HAVE TO BURN THE CITY.
She didn't have to, but she wanted to.
But at the end of the day, if you were in her shoe's, you would've done the same thing! She had lost her ride or die, her BEST FRIEND the day before this, AND her dragon the day after, no one would just let that slide just because of a bell ring.
@@Huge_XG-Xpop_Stan don't be so quick to assume everyone thinks as you do. All she has to do was fly to the red keep, kill Cersei. Take the city. Worst case scenario, kill the soldiers. There was no need for what happened. She had been making poor choices all along. Some ppl were able to say her, keep her in check. But she still did what she wanted.
@@Heather61776 Killing innocent people was wrong I get that, but what people fail to realize is Cersei was and always HAS been the real bad guy, she KNEW she could’ve/should’ve evacuated them people knowing she was at war with someone who clearly was right in the head due to the fact that Cersei is the reason she lost yet ANOTHER one her “children” AND having to see her best friend get decapitated prior to that! I’m sorry but if you think you’d care about ANYTHING after that, you’re living in a fantasy.
@@Heather61776 It doesn't matter, she had the power to destroy the city and she conquered it through power and bloodshed. That's how every single military or nation has won - they take things by power and control.
Lmao, "what is the point of killing innocent people?" Seconds after Dany just murdered hundreds of innocent people.
Probably thousands
She killed an estimate of 500,000 people. That's mass genocide.
Yeah, definitely thousands. I think they said the population of King's Landing was over a million.
The population of Kings Landing is half a million. She killed most of them.
I've noticed that people love seeing bad people turn good, but seeing good people go bad is too much to stomach in this show.
I'm happy with it, but the ending was begging for spin-offs, not a prequil. But they wouldn't have direct source material, only references. The world of GoT has so many more stories to tell. If only GRRM was as prolific as Stephen King....
Over 4 years later and this episode *still* makes my blood boil. Gone is the Breaker of Chains. All that is left is The Mad Queen.
Right? And these two cheering her on haha. People's reactions can tell things about them. I'd just say this was a great example of people getting emotional and justifying whatever they want. I mean I don't really care lol we're just talking shit about GOT but these two still think Dany is blameless?!? They kept saying there wasn't another way. Ummm... how about attacking Cersei instead of the townspeople? Lol people are crazy.
the mad queen was what she was headed towards, she consonantly wanted to do mad things, and did...only idiots were suprised
@@lagronemikalIf she just attacked Cersei then she wouldn't be The Mad Queen that was predicted the entire show.
@@lagronemikalDanny was angry... US ended the war with Japan killing innocent people with nuclear weapons... Y'all never had a problem with that... And now y'all know it wrong to kill innocent people??? Hypocrites of this world are everywhere.
Mad Queen??? What led her to that? Y'all forget she has feelings too? Didn't US use nuclear weapons to stop the WW2? How is this different?
Dude was literally like "yeah I don't care that all these innocent people died" lol
The last 3 episodes always show who these reactors really are. That the morals/ethics were always relative. lol
@@crissiampco It’s a fantasy show. Everyone’s not going to have the same opinions on this show. It’s not that deep. Fantasy is to escape from reality and be able to explore different points of view that you have in real life. These reactors know the difference between right and wrong. They’re just enjoying the show.
@@kellifranklin9872 The "it's just a show" is a massive cope. Whether it's fiction or not, it's very human to react unfavorably when you see cruelty on your screen. People were uncomfortable when Ramsay were doing all those cruel things and raping Sansa, correct? Where was all these "it's just a show, don't feel bad" stuff when Jofffrey and Ramsay were doing all their crazy shit? But because it's Daenerys who's inflicting massive cruelty, we're supposed to just enjoy it. What a massive cope from Dany die hards.
@@beige_projection Lol here’s the beauty of opinions: everyone is allowed to have them. I’m not “coping.” For me it’s just not that deep. Watching The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Barry, Peaky Blinders and Snowfall, I cheer for the immoral person every single time. I cheer for the crime and the violence. I don’t care about morality issues on a fictitious show. It’s a fantasy show and it’s just not that deep for me. In this episode you’re goddamn right I was team Dany and there’s not a fucking thing you can say to me that’s going to change my mind. Period. I suppose rooting for villains is my kink. What’s yours? lol I like shows that take me out of reality where I see a character that’s clearly up to no good and I like the prospect of rooting for them. If you feel the need to question my morals my ethics or my values knock yourself out. We’re not in agreement on this. We can agree to disagree respectfully or you can fuck all the way off. Honestly I don’t care which option you choose. Enjoy your weekend.
@@kellifranklin9872 lol I'm not sure why you need to repeat that everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Nobody is disallowing anyone to have an opinion here. Rebutting you doesn't equals to disallowing your opinion. It's simply opinion vs opinion. Nobody is trying to ban you or lock you up here just because you have a differing opinion.
What???? " That's the soldiers choice. Danny not just kill!" She just wipes out a bunch of innocent people and children.
Lol when she started burning innocent people after the bells rang, Sophie had the look in her eyes and you could tell that she also thinks what Dany is doing is wrong, but she is just forced to support it because of what she has already previously said in the previous episodes and Mair being strangely happy with the slaughter of innocents lol. Clear display of coping.
Clear display of kinda scary
clear display of idiotism by mair
Cognitive Dissonance in real time.
Exactly why our world is so fucking scary.
Cause this is who we are.
This is why i LOVE this episode.
whomp whomp missandai>kings landing
@@lexuslee2499 jon killing her womp womp >>
Stannis selectively burning people which included his own daughter for his claim ❌
Daenerys indiscriminately burning people including innocents, babies, etc for her claim, when the enemy has already surrendered ✅
Without watching this reaction yet, just based off the comments, and how they went off on the commenters who were calling out Dany in the discussion last episode, I think this is pretty much what happened 😂
Facts
So my opinion on this, is that because of our experience with war this day and age, we are unfortunately used to innocent civilians die, however in the time of Game of Thrones, battles were typically fought amongst the soldiers on a battle field. Killing that many innocent, the way Daenayrys did, is not the norm. Also, once they surrendered, they do not continue to kill. The enemy becomes prisoners. Also, when Arya says thank you to the hound, I think you took it as for jus in that moment, but I’m pretty sure, that thank you was for everything he thought her and keeping her alive all that time.
Laughing at the innocents being killed by the fire? Children? Disgusting!!
She goes around burning innocent people after the bells…. Those people were forced into the gates…
28:05 “they’re really trying to make it look like Danny is crazy.
You’re showing the reality…but like really?”
Genocide is cool as long as we like the person executing it…got it
Seeing as it's a show... yes! 💀
@@Huge_XG-Xpop_Stanshow or not, that's a foolish opinion to have
@@whydoihavesubs6644 Again, it’s a show…
@@Huge_XG-Xpop_Stan reread my comment slowly
@@whydoihavesubs6644 I.T.S A S.H.O.O.W.W. Leave me wit my damn opinion wtf 😂
Not sure how you can say you don't care about innocent children dying, just because cersi is evil does not give Danni the right to be evil
Cersei isn't anywhere close to as evil as Dany
name one child she burned
@@aegonthedragon6341 im lit defending Dany lmao npcs are not characters
@@jesses5463 weirdo
You are really smart if you think no children died after the explosion of the Sept of Baelor.
Everything she did before the bells rang csn be understood - nothing after the bells can be forgiven.
Yes it can 😂 these people cheered for Neds head. Wanted Tyrion executed yet he saved them.
Fuck the people, I was cheering when she burnt down kings landing😂
I don’t agree.
That's okay, I don't expect you to...@@shonquesanders4232
Conquerors literally take land and destroy anyone in their way - that's how its always happened in history. Daenyris is just conquering Kings Landing, doing what any superior military does. There is nothing to forgive - its a realistic and normal way of taking power.
@@centripetal6157 Except that Dani had been saying (season after season) - she was going to do things differently - she went mad … and not every conqueror goes mad…
thought id subscribe to this channel but yall wild for this one
"Killing without reason or gain, is a petty pleasure of Sadistic Fools." -Darth Bane
mair u stubborn asf too🤣tryna prove yourself right all the time bro- be open minded
People in the comments are gonna tell you that this has been coming for a while. But the truth of the matter is the writers of the season, said themselves, if the events that occurred in season 8 hadn’t happened then Dany never would’ve burned all those innocents. So all those comments about you should’ve seen this coming they have no merit.
Had the seasons been longer, and they kept going. This plot line would’ve made sense, but ultimately they rushed this final season and destroyed a lot of storylines that needed to be told.
Even the actress Emilia Clarke herself said she was completely suprised at the turn of the character shows the major flaw of the showrunners: your actors breath life into the characters. You can’t have a real thread or seed of a story arc and NOT tell the actor where it’s headed if that turn is something inside the character and effects her choices. You have to trust them. That’s why the “Mad Queen” doesn’t hold water with us, because it was never created by the person embodying the role.
Season 5 is when they departed heavily from the books to the point where they couldn't fix it, and they deliberately left out tons of material that permanently changed the direction and shortened the lifespan of the show. Also, they actually did take extra time to make Season 7 and 8 but they decided early on that they wanted to make the seasons shorter. HBO wanted 10 seasons, George wanted upwards of 13 seasons. The show runners had other plans though and clearly wanted it over as soon as possible so they could move on to their Star Wars project. After the backlash that GoT received because of it's sloppy, rushed, and frankly terrible ending, they lost their Star Wars gig and haven't really done anything of note since.
It all makes sense you lose all credibility after taking such a dumb decision for a show that the people literally adored. Rushing is never good. Disappointing millions of people of course would have an adverse result effect. Not surprised.
Imo I think they did a fine job on s06 despite the fact they had to wing some things, mainly because of how well-written Cersei was, her impeccable acting and her plot in general. But it all goes down from there plot-wise and the main reason is hurrying to finish it. Like a wise man once said, you can't rush genius. Martin book writing was nothing short of genius, to try and change that perfect pace after 5-6 seasons was nothing short of a disservice both to the writer but also to us, the viewers.
@@kobarsos82 IMO season 5 and 6 are also incredibly dumb. Even season 4 suffers from really basic dialogue and weird writing choices but has so many great book moments that make up for it.
I've been on this journey with ya'll from day 1 and I can say ya'll truly missed A LOT. If you go back and do a rewatch, you'll see ALL the stuff you missed that lead up to Dany doing what she did. She was ALWAYS going to "burn them all"! Throughout the series, she had ALWAYS displayed the signs of her father, the mad king. Her obsession with being the queen gave way to reason so many times throughout the series. You both need to do a rewatch because by your reaction and comments after you watched this episode, you truly missed A LOT!! 🤷🏾♀️
I 100% agree with everything you said
She’s always been entitled. She only adopted the savior role to make her feel different than what people called her her whole life aka association with her father
I think the difference is, it's not that they or any of us didn't see it coming. We honestly ALL did, the problem is we got there in 2 episodes. Dany needed at the bare minumum at least one more season to see her naturally go to full dark and angry. Just 3 episodes prior to this she literally sacrificed her potential life, her dragons AND her soilders meaning all her cards left to play and her advantage to try to save Westeros/the North (who weren't even accepting of her nor seemed grateful after the fact) and all of it's people even her own enemies. So to go from her risking everything to protect everyone to then burning innocent people in 3 epsiodes literally has zero logic. Same logic as Cersei begging for her life and dying under a pile of rocks. Same Cersei who drank wine and smirked as she blew up the sept?? The most ruthless, and unforgiving character in Westeros running away in cowardice? Sorry completely out of character. Same as with Tyrion being completely out of character and making Dany out to be the ultimate villian and disregarding the fact that Dany herself gave him multiple chances when he committed treason and arguably got her best friend killed.
Dany turning Mad Queen in the same season with in the timeframe she did was not plausible for the majority of us. They unraveled pretty much all of the major characters in this last season to rush the final season. So yes, we always saw that she had this in her, it was no surprise but not the way it happened and that's why that whole scene was a joke to most of us and unbelievably unrealistic and out of character to the point where me and everyone else I knew said "eh f%$k it, burn them all" despite how messed up it was.
@@nikkinzyshe was burning people alive since season 1 and also saying that she would put entyre cities to the ground since the begining, she was only good when it benefit her somehow like freeing slaves and gaining an army.. way too convenient for her.
"whats the point in killing innocent people" then yo btoh go on to applaud danny for doing exactly that. yall lacked on this reaction fr- huge fan still
I was waiting for y'all to watch this Episode. Dany was not good. She ALWAYS defaulted to Crazy violence. She was just aimed at people we didnt like but her goal was always to Conquer Westeros and kill anyone who resisted.
bingo. her way or the highway - ALWAYS. she just had easy moral victories in essos that made people think she would always make the right decision.
@@crissiampcolike everyone else ??? Why do you all act like she is any different to Jon or Robert 😂 Jon did what he liked, he killed people who was against him or betrayed him...
Tywin butchered the Targaryen children and sacked Kings Landing yet people didn’t call him crazy.
You're right. Tywin wasn't called crazy... he was called evil. Cersei wasn't called crazy... she was called evil. If your complaint is about Dany being called crazy. Point taken. We should start referring to Dany as Evil. I'm all for that.
Honestly??? This is how all conquerors and nations win - killing everyone on the enemy side. Even including innocent people.
This is happening in real life as well - look at any war happening today in real life. Nobody survives in a war - innocent or soldiers are killed.
Daenyris destroying kings landing was just realistic. Who cares about morals - this is actually how people win wars.
Hmmm…looks like Varys was right.
Varys and Littlefinger were the most perceptive characters in the show.
Jon never recovered from his death "for the watch" he came back broken
Some day you will re-watch this and catch everything you missed about Dany.
yup! Took me a few watches and now I can't NOT see it
like freeing slaves and killing rapist, right?
The fact that you have to rewatch the show again to realize that Dany is "bad" , shows that the end was badly written because everyone was shocked when this episode came out. Plus seeing the show again knowing that she's going to burn innocent people will make every sentence every action interpreted in light of what she's done. So it's biased.
She could be tough but she never attacked the people or the innocents. Throughout the show people kill each other to avenge their family without thinking once of the people. Arya kills only for revenge, Robb went to war to avenge his family not for the people , sansa was going to war to take backher house and she always wanted to become a Queen but Daenerys who wants to recover her throne ( house ) is bad ? She killed her ennemies like others. Daenerys, Jon and Varys were the only ones in the show who cared about people. Daenerys and Jon they are the only ones who have saved people just to save people. Yes Jon is a Saint but Daenerys was a good woman. She was better than Sansa, Arya, Cathlyn, Cersei, Stannis, Robb. In the whole series Daenerys is the only one who sacrificed everything to save people even in Westeros. The show has to explain us why she became crazy... This is just a bad writing
Tyrion was trying to save innocent people not trying to save his family
Tyrion was trying to stop this slaughter of innocent people and children
Why are y’all happy Dany just melted innocent. The battle was over after the bells.
Damn he really doesn't care Dany burned an entire city after their army already surrendered? Her doing it was unnecessary, she went mad from all the loss that she experienced
Damn Sophie said if she hadn't she would have lost? Come on ya'll they literally surrendered, she won and it wasn't even close
Dani was always quick to murder. If you look back all the way to season 1 till the very end of season 8 she had no trouble being vicious.
Stay off her way and you will be safe. It that's simple. Everyone she killed.... She had good reason to
so does that logic apply to all the other male characters that have been from day one killing other people as well? or is it just about the only character in the show that uses power to free and protect the opressed?
What a moronic statement. She killed her abusive brother, slavers and traitors. Get a grip.
Like most males in the show, they’re not called mad or crazy.
@@peuzip Yes, if they were killing for some type of vengeance.
I was expecting yalls reactions to be opposite 😂 I thought Sophie would be chanting "burn them all" but it was Mair who was all about it. 1 more to go 😢
Lol from the previous ones SAME 🤣🤣🤣
How can you sit there and watch her burning and killing innocent women and children and intentionally going street to street and massacring innocent people and say it’s fine?
I believe it is because you binge watch it that the show makes it better but for the rest of us we watched for over 10 years waiting in between seasons and everything that comes with that (speculation, theories, etc) and I feel that yes we know Denarys would be the mad queen but it happened too fast. By the way we waited a year and a half 1 1/2 years for this season.
No. GOT isn’t making like Dany went crazy. Dany really WENT crazy, and that’s the problem with this season and episode. What Dany does in this episode is complete madness
US used Nuclear weapons and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Japan.... It stopped WW2 and everyone respect them for that.... The same hypocrites who judge Danny and say she's mad.
I've seen this coming they were such danny fans that i knew this would happen.
@@sebastianliebmann6014 Facts. Dany is AMAZING, but there is no backing up what she does to King’s Landing, there is not at all
it's pretty dumb and cheap tho
@@Nihilanth They way the show did it yes.
But i think its quiet poetic. The daughter of the mad king fights her throne back which her father lost because of madness only to be in end overcome by the same madness and actually burning them all just like her da wanted.
One of, if not the…most hated episode of television in history
Jon was raised in a culture where kissing your Aunt...having sex with your Aunt...is not morally acceptable. Dany is of the mindset that her family has had incestuous relationships, so her and Jon being Aunt/Nephew is actually a step removed from Brother/Sister relationships...so she is good with it. Plus, she is the Dragon, and the Dragon does not worry about what others think right now lol.
Tyrion doesn't know shit. The only thing he ever did successfully in this show, on his own, was save his own ass. Every other thing he did or advised came back to bite him in the ass.
Wow... I can't even finish this episode. So many horrible takes.
Same. As soon as Mair said Varys tried to poison Dany. I knew I couldn’t do it
Yep I liked there reactions until they stared listening to the haters in the comments
@@Taewills he was actually right about that, it is clearly implied. But the whole tone of the episode was just embarrassingly bad.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree, mad queen BURN EM ALL!!!
The whole point was that Dany was supposed to be better/kinder/less cruel than the power mad rulers who came before her. That her journey to the top had taught her to respect perspectives and respond in kind. Especially since she's been constantly and conscientiously been counciled against the tyranny she's already witnessed. That's why her heel turn makes it a commentary on human nature itself. And, perhaps, it's about how putting women in charge of nuclear weapons like a giant fire-breathing dragon (among other things) wouldn't really change how the world has been working as a patriarchy for lo these many millennia. See: Cersei.
I still didn't enjoy the execution of the story ending (as a storyteller, I think it could've been done better; for instance her other dragon being murked over the King's Landing attack, as opposed to at sea by Euron's hand) would have been a more convincing cause for Dany to turn vengeful on a blind dime, but...
The story was ALWAYS meant to end this way. One way or another. If that makes any sense.
The amount of copium... 🤣🤣🤣
Danny planned this months ago when she asked her army if they would burn down their city and tear down stone walls. She was always going to do it.
No she didn't. The writers literally say in the behind the scenes that she stares at the Red Keep and looks upon the seat of power of her family and snaps.
she never really asked that of them
She never said that lmao. “Will you ride the wooden horses across the Black Salt sea, will you kill my enemies in their iron suits, tear down their stone house and give me the seven kingdoms” taking down enemies houses is common in war and no where did she mention burning their cities
Lol what? That makes no sense. If she was always inrending to do it, then dhe would have just done it the second she arrived to Westeros. Instead, she practiced restraint.
to anyone saying this was justifiable/hinted throughout the series; it wasn't.
GRRM said dany is one of the main heroines of the novels. he wrote her to be one of the good guys (with all her flaws and greyness, just like every other character from ASOIAF. cause that's the essence of the novels) since day 1.
it was never hinted in the books, but it seems to me that since season 4 all the showrunners cared about was fan service and to make them look for for the audience.
tyrion was supposed to be a villain, just like in the books, but i guess the writers didn't want to make that turn on their fav character. jon was supposed to be complex, grey and ambitious, instead they turn him into that boring wooden plank.
GRRM said that he wrote about all those characters, but he always knew it was about "those two" and that's Jon and Daenerys, the song of ice and fire.
the signs weren't there and for anyone who disagrees, you don't understand her character and you weren't paying attention. there's a big big difference between killing slave masters and rapists than slaughtering thousands of innocent people who were always her goal to defend. and for those questioning her methods:
"I never held much with slavery […]. You can’t just go… usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all. Know what I mean? Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood" - GRRM
i could bring hundreds of quotes from dany about that, that were completely ignored by the showrunners while adapting dany's character.
"Daenerys is one of the main 𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐞 of the novel, and 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐡𝐞𝐫.” - GRRM’s Mir Fantastiki interview
"well of course the two outlying ones - the things that are going on north of the wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are of course the ice and fire of the title a song of ice and fire" - GRRM
“I mean… Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books" - GRRM
the whole idea of a mad queen is something that GRRM is writting and building up for dany's character to go completely against it. cersei is already the mad queen in the books and she's written as a parallel to Dany's arc. dany becoming the mad queen is not only out of character, it's pointless, it doesn't make sense and it is misogynist
No, I seriously doubt GRRM said with finality that this would never happen as Dany is one of the good guys. That's because he has two more books to go, and him saying that is basically spoiling the future of the books. So yep, there's no way that GRRM said that.
@@beige_projection GRRM: in some sense, he [Aegon the conqueror] saw what was coming 300 years later, and wanted to unify the seven kingdoms to be better prepared for the threat that he eventually saw coming in the north.
''Daenerys Targaryen is no maid, however. she is the widow of a dothraki khal, a mother of dragons, a sacker of cities and aegon the conqueror with teats'' - ADWD, Tyrion VI
''...Daenerys is one of the main heroine of the novel, and dragons server only her'' - GRRM's Mir Fantastiki interview
''Well of course the two outlying ones, the things that are going on north of the Wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are of course the 'Ice and Fire' of the title ''a song of ice and fire" - GRRM
“I mean… Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books" - GRRM
Viserys I: ambition alone is not what drove him [Aegon] to conquest. it was a dream. and just as daenys foresaw the end of valyria, aegon foresaw the end of world of men. aegon saw *absolute darkness* riding on those winds [...]''
''She is Azor Ahai returned and *her triumph over darkness* will bring a summer that never end ... death itself will bend its knee, and all those who die fighting in her cause shall be reborn'' - ADWD, Tyrion VI
''That night she dreamt that she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. but she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usuper’s rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragonfire and they melted away like dew, and turned the Trident into a torrent. Some small part of her knew that she was dreaming, but another part exulted. This is how it was meant to be.'' - ASOS, Daenerys III
''when the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, *azor ahai shall be born again amidst salt and smoke to wake dragons out of stone*'' - ASOS, Davos III
''*no one ever looked for a girl*'' [...] it was a prince that was promised, not princess. the language misled us all for a thousand years. daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. the dragons prove it'' - AFFC, Sam IV
''five central characters will make it through all volumes [...] the five key players ae tyrion, daenerys, jon, arya and bran.'' - GRRM
''not all the characters who died on ''game of thrones'' will die in ''a song of ice and fire'' - GRRM
''jon killing dany was an original idea of benioff and weiss in the third season'' - Lossietereinos
belomor555: dany, my most hated character... i hope she dies in the end.
grrm on his blog: tsk tsk
''I never held much with slavery […]. You can’t just go… usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all. Know what I mean? Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood, you see?'' - GRRM
"On the ADWD cover, I put Daenerys at the top of the stairs of the meereenese pyramid. And George told me that Daenerys wants equality for everyone, she wants to be at the same level as her people, so he made me climb her down to keep it consistent” - Marc Simonetti
@@beige_projection read again
I've read through all those walls of text and none of them says that it's set in stone that Dany wouldn't slaughter innocent people by the end. A lot of people in the books start out as good and end up being bad. Her being described by GRRM as a heroine doesn't really mean that that is set in stone and that she will always be a heroine
@@beige_projection the characters that made that turn (good-evil / evil-good) were always preceded with some kind of foreshadowing. Dany had none.
she started as a victim and built her power, and with that power she chose to do good.
ASOIAF is about grey characters, with flaws, complexity and all that, Dany is no different.
the thing is, y'all are so obsessed with the idea of Dany going mad that you just can't see her as a complex character at all. everything she does, in your eyes, is a taint or sign of her madness (even if the fucking creator of the books says and writes her to be the opposite). just because you like the idea doesn't make it good nor truthful to her character.
try and fetch me some signs of her madness in the books and you'll find none
Funny how you think she's gonna sit on any throne after this
Well, the writers chose not to use everything in the books and changed some other things in the books, but maybe they should have gotten a fantasy writer to come on board to help them finish up.
Or even a fantasy writer just any writer really lol
The only issue I had with this episode is that they didn't do enough up front to have what she did make sense.
really guys? 😅
This was a brilliant emotionally draining episode, it was a beautiful and dark shakesperean tragedy. The Targ stans threw so much tantrum bc they willfully and blindly ignored all the red flags about Dany that laid out through 7 seasons, her worst impulses always being checked by the likes of Jorah or Tyrion, bmwhat Barristan said to her on the balconly of Mereen in episode 5x2 about "the Mad King giving people the justice he thought they deserved and becoming more and more sure of himself with each turn". They ignored the entite messaging of the series about the futility of chasing power and thinking a savior can change the autocratic system. Bc the targ stans basically look at asoiaf as their silver kween self-insert and they had already made up their minds that asoiaf is supposed to end as a disney fairy tale with Dany on the throne, which it is never going to.
Woman on the left is in complete denial about Dany lmao
Because she’s right... both the author GRRM and the Actress Emilia Clarke said it wasn’t madness....yet you all still say it was. So who is in denial now
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@@AlwaysRightAllNight Madness or not, it doesn't change who Dany is or what she did. The people of KL already surrendered. They hated Cersei. Dany could have easily down to the Red Keep and killed Cersei. There was no one to challenge her. Dany killing the people was Evil.
@@NovaLena22 like the people who cheered for Neds head, tried to rape Sansa, killed then ate a man, wanted Tyrion executed. Also Tywins army sacked the city and raped and butchered men,women and children. Nobody mentions that
@@AlwaysRightAllNight ??? Are you sure you meant that comment for me?? My comment had nothing to do cheering for or against anyone.
Dany absolutely was randomly killing those innocents for no reason lmao. Love y'alls reactions otherwise and have watched this from the beginning, but cheering for all the innocents dying that had no say in anything was wild to me. Ik its a show, but its supposed to make you think and feel. Thats as if a country were to invade another, and start cleansing even the civilians. Thats never okay anywhere. Not gonna stop me from watching you guys, but thats just my 2 cents. Be safe
Yeah the Dany bootlicking is a bit much.
@@devyn1772 no one wants to admit they missed key points of Dany's development. lol I mean, I didn't! And now that I've watched it a few times, I can't believe I missed it.
Ironically yall mad at Cersei the whole series, but OK with Dany ending up just like her and her daddy.
They rang the bell. Dany had won. She could have captured Cersei and burned her like she did everyone else. She didnt have to burn them all. She said she wanted to break the wheel, but she just became just like every other house. Who she gonna rule over? She burned them all.
Loved their reactions from season 1 to around 7-ish, but them, especially Mair, ridiculing people in the comments who were calling out Dany is the moment I tuned out of their reactions to this show. Won't even watch this one. Based off the comments, I already know the supported everything Dany did, even though they hypocritically called out Stannis for doing things the way he did, which was really bad, but not even in the level of burning innocent civilians including babies. I don't think I'm gonna watch their reaction to House of the Dragon, I already know they'd just be hypocritical and be very biased on one side without seeing other perspectives, and that to me is annoying, especially when Mair goes in front of the camera as if to ridicule people with different opinons.
Daenerys wasn’t Mad ffs 🤦 both Emilia Clarke and GRRM said so. It was grief and ruthlessness
You guys missed on this reaction - she’s just killing every innocent person - why is she better than cersei at this point ??????
They rang the bells and she still burned them.
She’s killed more innocents than cersei lol
@@LeesiiiHit’s called war.... She wanted to break the wheel. Kings Landing IS the wheel not the Iron Throne.
They're too biased with their hatred towards cersei that's why
@@AlwaysRightAllNightNo, rulers / conquerors who indiscriminately kill just to be in charge are the wheel. It’s a terrible system & she’s mimicking all historical nutcases who’ve done that.
It’s been 4 years and I’m still happy Cersei got to watch dany burn kings landing to a crisp 😂 This is where cersei realised she had met her match and Daenerys decided to let cersei suffer that before her death.
Yeah it wasn’t the best writing but we get what we are given lol.
what is so wild...is the little microcosm of the ending of Robert's Rebellion and this ending
John was such an interesting honorable character. And this season turned him into a " She is my Queen" dummy.
This show was loved for its amazing and developed character arcs , and the last season just destroyed all of this.
They should have done another season.
1 Season for the white walker story line and 1 season for wrapping up the game of thrones
And maybe put some pressure on Martin because D.D without a book to guide them failed miserably.
The golden company were there for no reason it seems. The same with John
Jaime should have whispered in Cersei's ear, "I [bleep] Brienne of Tarth."
This is pure gold.
Not sure why you guys think what she did was okay. They showed the innocents to show the reality of what Dany had done. They rang the bells, it was over, Dany had won. And yet she still chose to burn it all, for no good reason. She murdered thousands of innocent people.
Hm first time I’ve seen someone be for the killing of innocents. Very strange reaction lol
It was ignorant! I've never known anyone to laugh, not ever.
Yea naw idc bout them ppl. They had to go. These are the same ppl who she tried to keep from harm multiple times and ended uo being used against her. The same ppl who cheered for ned starks head 🤷♀️ they would never accept Dany and she could never trust them.
We needed two more 10 episode seasons. One dedicated to the white walkers and one for Cersei and Dany’s downspiral. Yes, if you go back you can see signs of the mad queen. But it was just too rushed, we needed more character development. We waited two years for this season!! And D&D ended up losing their Star Wars project so it was all for nothing.
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I respect you two having your own unique opinion on the episode. Too many people watch reactions just to reaffirm their own opinions for the 30th time
I totally agree with y’all about Dany having a break down. I see why she did what she did and I agree with her. She literally stopped her goals and plans to become Queen to help the selfish people Jon, Sansa the whole seven kingdoms to fight their wars and she lost the most and everyone didn’t care about her lost or her.
As far as the writers I was told they were tired and done and was ready to move on to write for Star Wars. They did not run out of books the books are so vast and goes on and on. So many stories to be told.
You guys are great! Loved watching you guys watch and react, it truly was a treat for this true game of thrones fan. The entire series was amazing to me.
Loved this episode. We loved the show because of its shocking twists. I liked that it continued to shock and subvert expectations right up to the end and showed the true horrors of war on the ground through successive battles.
I usually respect the point of opinions, but y’all got the essence of this episode entirely wrong.
She is “a crazy tagaryan killing everybody” . She had no reason to burn through the villages.
@@Temi0112 let these ppl have their own opinions on what she did
@@chrisdelanoJC2004killing innocent women and children is an opinion???
Basically did not pay a single attention to the point of Dany's arc and thought this was gonna be a Silver Queen Disney movie with dragons.
honestly tyrion was a garbage hand to daenerys. He kept thinking about his family first. When his family very much cersei was willing to throw him under the bus again, and again, and again. and Varys dunno why he was shocked, "if you ever betray me I'll burn you alive" "I'd expect nothing less from the mother of dragons." Like they all wanted Jon to be king because he had the luck of having a penis, Dany saved the fucking world, didn't get enough time to even grieve her losses. What she did was out of anger and grief not out of evil. was it wrong? Yes. But if she had gone with her instincts rather than listen to tyrion, ALL her dragons would be alive. The army of the dead would be behind the wall, Jorah would still be alive. She would have flown her dragons to the red keep and melted the damn castle with Cersei inside of it. No mass casualties civilian or armies. Can't believe they wrote tyrion to be so dumb.
“ A white horse: SYMBOLISM “. 😂😂
16:58 Directors:We joked in this scene
the way they were cheering to the burnt of KL LMAO. im on board with you guys. not my fault they didn't run faster
"Im the man who killed jaime lannister" bro you killed a dragon wtf
Thank goodness.. I thought I was going to have to go to bed tonight without my medicine.
You guys will have to rewatch to know that the build up of her snapping was there. They showed it slowly but surely. Also You guys have to remember that Jon grew up in the North, they don’t believe in incest. Finding out Dany is his aunt was a turn off.
Nope, he could have married her anyway even in the North with that relation. Sansa could marry Robin and that's first cousins. Uncle to niece marriage has happened in Northern highborn families. However westeros does have unwritten rules about how close the relation can be, for example first cousins shouldn't marry but first cousins thrice removed or third cousins can, no one cares ( Tywin married his first cousin )) as long as it's not immediate family like a sibling or parent. Jon was tired by this point. He probably wanted to mgtow the rest of his days in peace. He was not turned off by the knowledge Dany was his aunt. In fact he didn't care because like you said he grew up in the North and they had no familial relationship between them except finding out he was a secret Targaryen as adults.
@@Freya1412 Jon feeling towards Dany changed after he found out he was related to her. 8x2 is when you see a change
Nothing happened between 8x1 and 8x2 to make Jon tired and change other then finding out about his parents
Ned father married his cousin😂 there's nothing wrong with it in westeros they were just looming for unnecessary conflict
What? Lol, no. The Starks are the second most inbred family in Westeros. They've had niece/uncle marriages.
The way everybody takes the side of Dany just because she’s a fan favorite really irkes my nerve show or not 😂😂 she did all this cause she was pissed at Cersei understandable but after the battle she was deadass one of thousands that got out easy rocks fell on her bro and she was crushed instantly no doubt about it no suffering in the hands and arms of her loved one….while THOUSANDS of innocent bystanders were burned alive. smdh
I keep saying that seven episodes would have made such a difference. But I still LOVE this show.
Pa ha haaaaaaaaa!!!😩🤣😭
Not the comment section after MONTHS of ruining their reactions by setting expectations with thee old “The show sucks after season 4” now being butt hurt and literally calling them bad people because they didn’t react how you wanted…humans are so d*mn weird!! 🙄 🤣hilarious but weird.😂
12:39 - that was a suprise attack buddy - sweet summer child lol
The directors wrapped it up so quickly because they'd been offered a job writing for a star wars movie. They did such a sh*t job with this though, in their haste to get it over with, that they lost that job, and I don't think they've written for anyone else since game of thrones.
18:12 “what is the point of killing innocent people? Danny ain’t doing that” … 👀👀👀👀
Tyrion is just background noise and a liability, Jaime is freed to die, Arya went to Kingslanding to ride back on "insert magic white horse" and Jon he falls back.
Jon holding back, is him simply not being ok with yhe incest. Simple as that, he loves her yes but doesnt want her to be more than his queen now. So she now feel like shes lost Jon, the only person she loves is rejecting her romantically. Dany was raised a Targaryen, so she'd be more into Jon knowing hes related to her. She was raised to be her brothers wife originally I'm sure. So u cant compare Jon with Ygritte, because they're not related.
Let them have this L take… next episode they see the results of her actions.
Wow...... After 8 seasons you 2 really missed the point that Dany went all Mad King.... Sad
The season was just rushed. It needed more episodes to build and let the season breathe.
Why would the Hound kill Cersei?? She didn't do shit to him
I mostly have to blame the writers/showrunners rather than the characters at this point.
You can tell Sophie is somewhat shook by what Daenerys did, but Mair is just refusing to see the reality. Bro, if we lived in that realm, you understand that you would be one of those civilians being burned alive for no reason right? The ringed the bell, which means the only person left to kill was Cersei. I love your reactions and all, but this cheering for the genocide of innocent people made me sick
Sometimes this is needed to end the war. Look at what US did in Japan. Over 200000 Innocent people died and it stopped the war for good. Japan never thought about attacking US ever again.
lol because he doesnt agree hes not seeing the reality ?
@@DeterminedFC not everything is subjective. Burning the whole city after their surrender is objectively an evil thing to do, so there's that
@@nodarshurgaia4301 Those people were used as a weapon against her... She did the right thing.
@@thalentekhuluse2829 what? How does any of that make sense? Couldn't the dragon fly straight to the keep? What was the purpose of burning the streets and everyone on it? She was evil and got what she deserved
One thing people never mention about this episode....is Danny's relationship to Kings Landing itself. It's extremely personal for her. Her family lineage literally built it and look what they turned it into. I wasn't suprised she burned it all either
Same. Her family has a history of being conquerors.
@@kellifranklin9872 And a history of madness that brought them down
At which episode did Mair say "I don't condone any killing?"
Somewhere in the 1st season..
In the end... Cersei died by sheer luck. Dany just focused on causing as much destruction as possible, going after innocents after they had surrendered.
They butchered the last episodes. Hate what the writers did. There’s no excuse to burn women, children - Hell, babies! It’s heartbreaking. Put innocent people there on purpose? Mate, they lived there! 😂 what’s the point ruling over a pile of ashes and the bones of children. Have to say both your attitudes surprised me here… still love ya, but slightly heartless…
Cersei definitely deserved a better ending.
Remember that time the Dothraki all charged into the army of the dead? Yeah that didn't happen because now they're storming King's Landing.
Well, realistically, Daenerys should have been able to take the Red Keep without killing anyone, so it really isn't that much about how realistic war (with dragons) is or would be.