How much can AoE2 split the SLAVS?
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
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Chapters:
00:00 Good to see you!
00:59 Who Qualifies?
02:34 Thus far...
05:02 Must Haves
07:09 Top Contenders
08:59 Mid Contenders
12:04 Long Shots
13:39 Mega Long Shots
15:32 Ultra-Mega Long Shots
17:57 Regionals
20:11 Conclusion - Ігри
CORRECTIONS & CLARIFICATIONS:
- Albanians ARE NOT SLAVIC. This is a flat goof on my part.
- Some civs that I forgot to mention but could be viable include...
> Volga Bulgars (NOT Slav; pre-migration Bulgarians)
> Transylvanians (also NOT Slav; another branch of Vlachs with their own state)
> Nitrans (Slavic principality within modern Slovakia; midpoint between Moravians and hypothetical Austrians)
> Pomeranians (Baltic coastal Slavs, though might not have enough material; German Pomeranians might be more apropos and could maybe also include references to Slavic progenitors?)
- Peoples of the Baltic and adjacent regions (Finns, Estonians, etc.) are being saved for another split video on Northern Europe.
- I know that "Magyar" & "Hungarian" are synonymous -- I see it as comparable to timesplitting the earlier Franks and later French (which is something I'm a huge proponent of, as well as similar). I think a Later Hungarian civ would be more similar to the current Magyars, while an Earlier Magyar civ would likely play very differently from how the civ looks now.
- I couldn't find any other Uralic civilizations that seemed to have enough material to merit civilizations, but if you all know of any please do share them!
Huge thanks to everyone catching errors and contributing to the discussion. Hope you all have enjoyed the video!
Finns and Estonians are not Baltic.
@@KarlKapo @KarlKapo Finns are technically more baltic than the actual Baltic countries. These cultures pretty much surround the Baltic Sea. The term for Finno-Ugric people around the Baltic Sea (Finns, Estonians, Karelians, Ingrians… and such) is "Itämerensuomalaiset" but whenever I'm using the English term "Baltic-Finns", people often confuse and think I include Latvia and Lithuania and such.
So if we were to have a Baltic-Finnic civilization (which I doubt we would get in age2, maybe in mythology ᴴᵒᵖᵉᶠᵘˡˡʸ) it should be called Finns.
We need Finns so the Sámi tribesmen in the Victory and Vanquished are no longer represented as slavs
Had to go to my cats account because youtube keeps deleting my comments without giving any reason. This makes me very angry and sad and it is not a good for my poor mental health.
- Slovenes are South Slav not West Slav
- Stradiot being a Hussar replacement generally feels weird; the Hussars originally came from Serbia and were widely used in Eastern Europe (most famously Hungary and Poland, other Eastern European civs). I'd say they are better off being a unique unit for Albanians specifically
This title = The CIA in the 90's
Top tier comment
Loool wtf! 🤣😂🤣
I mean, you're not wrong... 😅
The Russians had great influence from the ancient Sarmatians and later Cumans and Mongols, for this reason they should have good horse archers with armband technology just as the Cumans also used for their horse archers. This technology was a nerf for both as they used compound bows with great range.
Yeah, that was a pretty baffling decision.
I could maybe see the Ruthenians (or whatever other civilization represented the Kievan Rus) missing Bracer, depending on what my research ends up revealing about their archery tradition.
Nice! Heads up that Mantis AOE had made a build for Wallachians/Vlacks and also Serbs. Two interesting builds I thought!
Also: You've mentioned the ottomans enough that it reminds me that the "turks" are pretty much another historical mashup between the earlier seljuks and the later ottomans... (over 1000+ years of history) I'm sure it's on your todo list as well, but one of those days, I'd like to hear your take on splitting the turks :) When you get the chance to get to it of course :)
Yep! I haven't watched those videos of his, but I am aware he's done them and look forward to seeing how he approached it differently for me!
And I can promise you that a Turk split is also coming down the line, though it is likely to be one of the biggest and most complicated ones I have ever done hehehe
Just like the paladin, Russia was known for its heavy infantry and cavalry, they could have access to the paladin. They said it was a nerf to game balance because of the boyar and even so I don't understand how the Lithuanians have the Leitis being the strongest cavalry unit in the game as a single unit and also have the paladin!
Or have knight line replaced with Boyar.
ooo i'm excited to see what you come up with
Willy Mac touched my hoohaa
Thanks man! What did you end up thinking of it?
WillyMac touched my hoohaa
Hello from Serbia! I was patiently waiting for this video!
Glad I can finally bring it to you Anthony!
Slav and Chinese split seem most likely to actually happen.
Slavs have already been split plenty imo.
Italians? Only 1 civ. Vs. Slavs, Poles, Bohemians, Bulgarians, (+ Magyars, Lithuanians)
@@jonaszwojnar2483 italians has 3 civs. Italians, romans and sicilians
@@andrewheffelbower9807 4 With Teutons for HRE Italy.
@halbarad6924 don't really know anyone who counts that one. All I know is I'm tired of "split slavs, split Italy, more civs in europe". If we treated the rest of the world the way we treat europe this game would have hundreds of civs.
I love the idea of adding all of these to the game! I do think everything before the mega long shots will be added to the game eventually for representation sake, minus the Hungarians since they kind of are already represented by the Magyars. I love that you added the stradiot as well, since it’s one of my favorite units in AoE3. I could see them as both a regional mercenary or even just a unique unit for the Albanians. Excellent format and presentation as always my friend!
Thanks so much for saying so man! Great to see you in the comments.
Great video. I hope we'll see similar to Dynasties of India expansions where umbrela-civs will split in more concrete. Slavs definitely need this the most.
Thanks for saying so! Glad you enjoyed
Soo many future DLC potentials , very great list
Thanks for saying so!
Wallachian, Moldavian and Transylvanian civs with a special team bonus if they are on the same team
Keep 'em coming! 😁
Ragusa - Could be new eco bonus, building market, which generates gold, research make gold generated faster. All gold cost units have half the blacksmith upgrades (0.5 and 0.5 armor and pierce armor for a tech) to balance it out.
Everything looks good, Robby. The colours are okay, the font is big, not too much text, pretty pictures (and an equally pretty man) to distract my eyes. You forgot the asterix for Albanians though.
Hehehe Glad to hear it my friend!
The add/split videos have a slightly different format than the core builds -- specifically the picture backgrounds and abundance of additional art. I have a smaller build dropping next week that will demonstrate what I'm talking about, and hopefully that is also easier on your eyes than the Koreans one was. If you wouldn't mind letting me know your thoughts on that when it happens that would be grand , but if you prefer not that's totally fine as well!
@@robbylava Will do.
Either way, the video is pretty cool. If I had the chance, I'd give it 100 likes and give it my respect
Can't wait to play a scenario where you have Croats, Serbs and Bosnians in a Free-For-All
Kinda going hard on non-Slavs here, even pushing in one into the Must Haves.
Sclavenes are a group from which most West Balkan Slavs originate from as an umbrella term for most. But Carantanians are the one group I'd label as NOT being Sclavenes. Sclavenes is a foreign word (Byzantine, I think) for Slavs of western Balkans and would be umbrella for all but Bulgarians and Carantanians, to my understanding. An alternate term couls be Slavonians, but this is wildly inaccurate historiographically.
With the focus on statehood, I'm surprised you didn't try and make Ruthenians separate from Kievites, as Ruthenia initially referred to Galicia-Volhynia and other such west states close to Poland. While Kievites ends up being those states focused on Kiev? As such later on, Ruthenia as concept ovetakes Kievites.
A thing to be considered among South Slavs is that a concept of unity among us didn't exist until the Illyrian movement, way after the AoE2 time period. And the linguistic differences were lessened only after eastern Herzegovinian was chosen as a common dialect (again, after the AoE2 time period), before which we used different ones. In the time period we were separate, fully. In hard terms I think you can divide us roughly into Serbs and Croats, with Bosnia being mostly founded by people closer to Croats culturally, whereas Serbs would encompass the few proto-Montenegrin states that existed, iirc. It also neatly divides us into Catholic and Orthodox. I don't deny the possibility of just using an umbrella anyway, but I do think a division here is possible.
Also, it's Bosniaks in English, I think. The k at the end is based on local language term. Same as how it's Croats and Serbs rathar than Croatians or Serbians.
Ragusa, eh? I always saw it as a mixed Venetian-Croatian state. While Dubrovnik is fully Croatian now, there's no denying the period relevant Latin influence there.
Funnily enough, I've more expected you to favour Transylvanians rather than Moldovans in a case of Vlachs being separate.
Oh, and also, kinda surprised you didn't add Baltic peoples here, as they are supposed to be our closest cultural relatives.
Beautiful summary.
I think I follow what you are saying about the Balkan civilizations. I would very much be a proponent of NOT lumping them into an umbrella, so what you are saying is very congruent with my own plans.
I decided to skip the Baltic civilizations because I was planning on sticking them into a North European video of this nature! Not because the Balts are necessarily better fit for the Scandinavians, but more because that video would be a little sparse without them.
I personally wanted to see Sclavenians as a civ that can diversify into Serbia or Croatia through the adoption of unique techs, which could reference the alphabet (though admittedly the croats adopted the latin alphabet fairly late), system of administration and adherence to catholicism or orthodox christianity.
I did talk to Robby about the possibility of making Ruthenians separate, representing mostly Belarus and western Ukraine, the conclusion was that they however make for the best placeholder for the current civs called "Slavs"
@tomasstanek2982 Yes, usually when these talks go the term Sclavenes is where consensus lands at, as it is the only term that was used in the period for Balkan Slavs in general. I believe in the more experimental builds you guys are privy to it could work. Potentially with the name of the civ changing as you choose the branch.
Personally, I've come to avoid the term as it's non-specific. By same metric you could' named Poles as Lechites since they're currently encompassing them all, or Antes for the current Slavs. I would personally just make Serbs and then use them for the rest of the Balkan Slavs barring a potential addition of Croats (and even further Bosniaks by some miracle).
Я долго ждал этот выпуск!
Robby, plz do something with this idea:
- a monk civ
- once theres at least one relic in the monastery it can train a special unit that "consumes" the relic
- it would be a VERY strong unit with buffing effects to allies, almost a cheat unit
- so there can be at maximum 5 of these OP units in the game at once
- once the unit dies the relic apears again where the corpse is
Very good video but also - cries in Pomeranian
Woof
Magyars => Full horse archers, light cavalry, no siege engineers, not even capped ram, never saw a pike in their life.
Hungarians => heavy horse men with horsemen that are heavy + some pretty heavily armored men on horseback.
Why not?
I 100% agree on your civilizations choices. Serbs and Wallachians must have their own factions. Moscow could also have but I fear that the current Slavs are made to showcase them.
Unique unit for the Permians: dimetrodon
You just forgot the star next to the Albanians as they are not Slavic.
Technically a Turkic people but perhaps the Bolgars (Volga-Bulgarians) could fit somewhere into this?
It absolutely would, even though they aren't Slavic I definitely should have mentioned this one. Great point!
I'd still prefer like 3 Chinese factions, leaving this huge Empire as just one civ while splitting Europe into 20+ makes no sense to me.
Still nice theorycrafting of course.
That said, what I'd REALLY prefer was 5 new skins (vills and basic units) for Mezoamerica, Africa, Arabia, India+Southeast Asia and Northeast Asia.
Anyway, new civs might sell better than just cosmetics though I'm of cozrse aware you did this video as a fellow nerd and not a board member trying to squeeze as much money out of AOE2 as possible. 😂
Totally agree! Regional unit skins are very, very high on my list of priorities.
And I also agree with you that the Slavs are not the most important umbrella to tackle! I've done a couple of these videos on my channel already, and intend on doing many more, but I would love to see more love given to other parts of the world before we return to Europe as well.
Ragusans: Could be named Dalmatians and instead of just including the city-state of ragusa it includes all the eastern adriatic coast of the now extinct dalmatian language, of which ragusan was part of. The focus of the civilization could be the same.
First! Now this is one I've been looking forward to.
Also is it still not too late to leave my vote?
Nice!
Yes, you can still vote for the next two days
@@robbylavaI've now sent my vote. Hope it helps.
Speaking of Mother Russia and nations she fought, have you thought of drawing up an Afghan civ?
I certainly have! Even discussed them directly in the last add/split video I did before this one on the Persians. Would love to hear your thoughts if you got a chance to check it out!
It's criminal that Microsoft hasn't hired you yet.
You're very kind to say so!
Bosnians should have artillery as unique unit. BOSNA ARTILLERIJA ;D
Also Bosnians would need villagers -100% harder to convert🤣
@@sjetong lmao yeah. But bekrija as unique unit. High attack, but low accuracy and slow because full on lepine and rakija.
Maybe change mill to lepine bakery, makes every unit regain health faster but slower
For Moldavians, I said It should be more of a monk civ which emphasizes a monastery having some sort of bonus or aura effect.
I believe that the golden age of Moldavian was under Stephen the Great and here is a list of churches and monasteries attributed to him
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_established_by_Stephen_the_Great
Without a doubt Serbs are already dominating aoe2.
Also Poles need to be redesigned, dont you think?
Absolutely! Quite a weird design, in my book at least. But I didn't want to include redesigns on this list, since if I did we'd be here for at least another half hour!
I feel like it becomes overly messy when too many civs that aren't too culturally distinct get added, Moravians being a pretty big overlap with Bohemians. I think a good split like how they handled the Indians would be Illyrians/Vlachs/Wends and renaming the Slavs to Ruthenians.
I think many people would agree with you, but I would caution you against saying something like the Bohemians and Moravians aren't too culturally distinct!
Also, I would strongly disagree with using Illyrians as a blanket term for Balkan civilizations -- that term was pretty much never endogenously used after the classical era up until a neo illyrian movement in the late 18- and early 1900s, as best I can tell at least.
@@robbylava I agree with you for both of these cases, my thoughts on this are more of how the Teutons are depicted in game as an anachronistic coverall German civ or how the Burgundian civ (loosely) covers the dutch despite the two cultures being very distinct from each other.
Not sure how non-Slavs like Wallachians and Ruthenians are must-have, and Croatians which were a strong regional power for a few hundred years, and one of earlier Slav kingdoms is mid-tier? The video is called - How much can AoE2 split the Slavs.
Also in union with the Hungarians, and already potentially represented by three civs, depending on the setting.
@@tomasstanek2982 sure, but my point still stands, how are non-slav civs are placed higher than slav civs in a video called How much can AoE2 split the SLAVS?
@@tisucitisin1 because this is talking about the stupidly named aoe2 civ, which currently exists as an umbrella for anything eastern, including Wallachians for example.
The Russians had such a cavalry elite as sons of boyars, but they are spelled as “Boyar son”. Not Boyar Scion
Silesians makes no sense the germans have already there civ as teutons. The first people to sattle on this land in Form of germanic tribes and the rightful owner.
Danzig, Breslau und Stettin ;)
@@KarlKapo genau
@@Storm-1. Jetzt und immer papa
Didn't know Erika Steinbach plays aoe2
@@user-ph3jn6kn8t lol
What is people's infatuation with splitting Slavs? If you want to split the slavs this much, do you realize how much you'd have to split the Indian civs?
Bosnia should have most powerful Navy in game
Serbs should be Monk (because of faith and many churches), Cav because of Gusar (Hussar) mercenary knights and of course gunpowder units (novo brdo have If im not wrong FIRST in this part of Europe gunpowder factories) and serbs use alot javelins (Sulica) in skirmish and ambush tactics.