My back tends to be tight af when i do both on the same day BUT i started doing weighted pull ups after to decompress my back after and i feel GREAT !!!!!
I have also ran squats and deads on the same day, but with hypertrophy range of reps. My only tip is to make sure your form and focus is on target. Compound movements, especially ones that trash your lower back require respect. I tweaked my back on moderate weight because I wasn't focused.
I actually started doing this recently and I was surprised that it actually felt a lot better than I thought it would. My performance did not suffer as much as I thought it would on the deadlifts.
I agree that most people don't squat 400kg and deadlift 410kg @RPE8, but the nuance here is how your movement patterns are for the two. For example you are fairly upright and your knees go over your toes quite a bit in the squat. Others basically squat with vertical shins and nipples to the knees. If they were to pull conventional with a very horizontal back angle as well, I can see more overlap in the fatigue. Same overlap is someone pull sumo with a semi-vertical back angle + medium stance and squats in a similar way to how you do
I swear your core is on another level to keep up with all this! Any tips on annoying inflamed bicep tendons? Last time I had it was 8 months ago and I fixed it by resting two weeks and doing rehab. It’s back now after resting for one week and not doing any pressing…
The key with all injuries is proper dosing of volume. Resting is actually one of the worst things, but the key is loading it just enough. I’d also recommend to work on shoulder rotation, for sure helps with the bicep having higher capacity. Reach out to Derek Akunne on Instagram if it worsens, he works well with proper rehab via program management
Actually been thinking of this for the longest time, but never tried it. Planned a squat session today and because of your video i'm gonna put in some heavy deadlifts as well!
I have been doing deadlifts and squats on the same days for a while now. I have not had any problems with it, and my quads will grow and get stronger from anything, so I am not missing out on anything that I want. Mentality is a big part of training, and a lot of people lack willpower and self discipline.
This could be the turning point for me to gain more muscle and not fatigue CNS and my body. I am at min 10:00 right now, and I am fully convinced. In powerlifting meets, you are supposed to do DL & squats in the same day. Also, I would only have to worry about 2 day of the week to lift heavy, and one of them is fun which is heavy bench. I would have a LOT of time to rest my CNS just amazing. I would need a scoop of pre workout tho hahaha
Lately I’ve been more fluid allowing them to deviate but I’d say 3/4 blocks I write up have them coupled on the heavy day. So the depending on how I feel part resonates because it should flow!
I always love doing heavy squats after my primary deadlifts!! Like my lower back might seem a little tired but I'm stronger than if I just did squats only??? Honestly I always lift better when my muscles feel a little bad or tired lolol
The acute fatigue management concept makes a lot of sense. Coincidentally, I've just switched my program to have the heavy squat, bench, and deadlift on the same day - for me, the reasoning was to sort of simulate the actual meet day. Edit: Broooo 24:38 That is craaazy. I just came across that Mindpump podcast on bicep training - how most people often use compound lifts for tricep training like CG bench and dips, but only utilize single-joint movements for bicep training. And one of the guys delves into the weighted chins done in a particular way.
Yeah man I was super keen on his take! I actually like their podcast a lot lol. He’s a bit opinionated for my usual swooning hahahaha but overall he’s got some awesome content. Meet day simulation is big key
every session I go to repe 11 or sometimes rpe 10 / 9.5 which is really efficient for me to train. nervous system is just ripped out at this point which is why I can't do anything other after that except some smaller muscle groups and volume work. I just try to recover my nervus system very fast so I can train 6 times a week. That includes alot of calorien, protein, sufficient greens / micros, cardio and meditation. Not into supplements for now though. My squats were extremly hamstring-heavy and also my deadlifts taxes mostly hamstrings but now I switched techniques to activate the quads more on the squats because my hip joints are taxed too much with my former technique. So I think I can give this another shot to program heavy Deadlifts after heavy squats. To push even further. Don't feel my lower back that mcuch in either of the exercises though.
Great vid & topic as always B! Totally agree with you with you about feeling better squatting heavy & pulling heavy on the same day. I recently tried spliting them up to try something new. After one block, I just knew it wasn't it & went right back to the bread and butter with the two coupled together. Honestly, I think it has to do with more of a psychological/mental arousal component more than anything. Hard to be hype af day in day out every session. And that cloud 9 feeling of hitting that heavy SD session & pushing through volume just hits different lol. Will say the main downside is quality/pushing backoff volume at times but there's a time and place for everything.
around 17:30 lol, i always joke about I would rather destroy my hips and back 2 days (squat and deadlift same day) than 4 days( squat and deadlift separate day)
I like SBD for this exact reason. I just gotta make sure Im moving quick and not in the gym too long, bring a tool to shave down my calluses for deadlift and take a bit extra pre workout lmao.
I started doing heavy squats and dead’s together following candito, I do jug ai now and I must say I would rather squat and deadlift the same session purely just to have the most amount of recovery time
I don't think it matters much in all honestly. Like you said, as long as your training split isn't stupid, your body will adapt consistently. I currently do Secondary Squat/Primary Deadlift/Primary Bench/Back Accessories/Primary Squat+Secondary Deadlift/Secondary Bench/Rest and it's working great.
I agree and disagree. What I mean is that physiologically I find not too much will differ, I would argue combined will peak more reliably and slightly benefit many (not all) however psychologically there’s a lot of benefit that I think actually takes the biggest cake. Mainly due to life pragmatics, meet day preparation, mental fortitude, etc but I also agree it’s not that big of a deal as long as you’re hyped the fuck up! Paradoxical almost in the sense it matters but doesn’t hahahaha
you are severely underrated in the fitness industry man. i was wondering if you coach beginners for powerlfiting cuz i would love for you to be my coach lol
I coach ALL lifters who want to try hard and learn! Idc what anyones experience is. Some of my favorite lifters I coach are beginners and some are extremely advanced. What I seek is the right mindset. You can schedule a meeting in the description box!
Like you said, the reason I don't do that is time. Ideally I'd do all my heaviest movements on my D1 SBD and then taper intensity down the rest of the week so I'm as recovered as possible going into the following week's D1, but that session would take longer than I have.
Good content as usual man. I see your point. I mean once your deads get to a certain level are you ever really having a "light" deadlift day? Even if it's volume deads or variations, you're still getting after it at 75%+. I see the value of this strategy. 💯
Yeah that too lol but in reality it’s definitely still way lighter for me and easier to recover from. But there’s a lot of truth to this statement especially since total energy demand doesn’t decrease but instead increases
I used to do 3 SBD days weekly, now that I have it more spread out I actually feel like my low back is weaker on deads. Which was crazy to me before watching this video but this makes sence now.
I do heavy squat and deadlift on staurday which is my 2nd leg workout, tuesday is the 1st. I try to focus on more reps on tuesday and then saturday i do a 2 rep max and maybe 1rm if it feels good.
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Weighted chins are one of my best lifts because I treat them as a main lift. Biceps are also one of my better body parts and I don't do much bicep isolation work. Could I just have really good bicep genetics? Maybe. I doubt it though and do think there is something there.
I thought Squat Bar is for more stability / less flex due to its increasde thickness? But I can't use this long bar as well. May have to return it somehow but not sure how to get the right packaging for it lol. I like to try a weightlifting barbell wit that nice whip.
I have been watching you for years, and mostly everything you say works for me, but I've found things that you've talked about that just straight up don't work for me. It's good to recognize your individuality.
Would love to hear your point on the emerging recent research that fat free mass can predict precisely overall and lift performance. Also I agree with the non raw powerlifting stuff lmao 😂.
Like most science it’s a general truth. But anecdotally we know it’s more complex. I mean just look at some of the top skinny af USAPLers lol. Also the science hasn’t quite shown that the way MASS/Greg seem to think, I’d argue there’s a lot of data showing the opposite
Bro .. is there a reason why you walkout without bending your knees on a squat?? Is it for the tightness and any other reasons!?? Would you recommend it? And before you walkout, it seems that you unrack and rerack the bar... Is it done on purpose?? Would you recommend it?
Damn this has actually resonated with me. I’m constantly dribbling heavy squat, bench and dead work through the week and I see these peaks and valleys all the time. How much time between your heavy lower day would you program your heavy bench day? Also, if I have volume upper and lower days would they be better done earlier in the week or later on after the heavy days? Cheers
Love the content and channel :) What is considered heavy? Is is 70-85% or even more. Im wondering whether heavy on same day is beneficial for me when not on some sort of PEDs?
Mind pump guys advice is all over the place. Best thing they did was have Jordan on their UA-cam. Lanky dude with shitty arms, who hates training them, checking the Fock in !! 🙋♂️
Don't compare steroids users with natty, it won't work the same, competition powerlifters are almost definitely on gear , they always deny it as it takes credit away from them 😂
This isn’t true at all. I’m on gear but usapl and IPF is natty. They’re rigorously drug tested. I coach geared lifters WAY different than naturals. I’ve coached both usapl and drug organizations alike and I would know by the way they respond if they were on gear. You’re just projecting inadequacy
I really like how i feel my quads and glutes more after squatting when i go to deadlift. Definitely helps encourage leg drive.
Me too! Tbh I was going to mention this but figured people would think it was too small of a point
My back tends to be tight af when i do both on the same day BUT i started doing weighted pull ups after to decompress my back after and i feel GREAT !!!!!
I have also ran squats and deads on the same day, but with hypertrophy range of reps. My only tip is to make sure your form and focus is on target. Compound movements, especially ones that trash your lower back require respect. I tweaked my back on moderate weight because I wasn't focused.
I actually started doing this recently and I was surprised that it actually felt a lot better than I thought it would. My performance did not suffer as much as I thought it would on the deadlifts.
I agree that most people don't squat 400kg and deadlift 410kg @RPE8, but the nuance here is how your movement patterns are for the two.
For example you are fairly upright and your knees go over your toes quite a bit in the squat. Others basically squat with vertical shins and nipples to the knees. If they were to pull conventional with a very horizontal back angle as well, I can see more overlap in the fatigue.
Same overlap is someone pull sumo with a semi-vertical back angle + medium stance and squats in a similar way to how you do
I swear your core is on another level to keep up with all this!
Any tips on annoying inflamed bicep tendons? Last time I had it was 8 months ago and I fixed it by resting two weeks and doing rehab.
It’s back now after resting for one week and not doing any pressing…
The key with all injuries is proper dosing of volume. Resting is actually one of the worst things, but the key is loading it just enough. I’d also recommend to work on shoulder rotation, for sure helps with the bicep having higher capacity. Reach out to Derek Akunne on Instagram if it worsens, he works well with proper rehab via program management
Wednesday- Back Squats and RDLs
Saturday- Conventional DL and Front Squats
Actually been thinking of this for the longest time, but never tried it. Planned a squat session today and because of your video i'm gonna put in some heavy deadlifts as well!
I have been doing deadlifts and squats on the same days for a while now. I have not had any problems with it, and my quads will grow and get stronger from anything, so I am not missing out on anything that I want. Mentality is a big part of training, and a lot of people lack willpower and self discipline.
This could be the turning point for me to gain more muscle and not fatigue CNS and my body. I am at min 10:00 right now, and I am fully convinced. In powerlifting meets, you are supposed to do DL & squats in the same day. Also, I would only have to worry about 2 day of the week to lift heavy, and one of them is fun which is heavy bench. I would have a LOT of time to rest my CNS just amazing. I would need a scoop of pre workout tho hahaha
Dropping a comment for the algorithm my dude, keep it up 👍.
Big love bro ❤️💪🏼
Squats are looking smooth, keep up the hard work man
They’re finally coming back! Thank you bro
Your starting explanation got my respect ✊🏾
i saw that video about biceps and gymnasts too, i think it's a great idea that you dedicate a video to it to further explain this idea
Hey man...the Best explanation yet!!..I really want to include deadlift with squat. or bent over rows...more time to rest...
i totally agree on this i have experienced this and have coupled them depending how i feel
Lately I’ve been more fluid allowing them to deviate but I’d say 3/4 blocks I write up have them coupled on the heavy day. So the depending on how I feel part resonates because it should flow!
Excellent breakdown I'm glad I do both on the same day.
315......excellent channel and SESSION on SQUATTING and DEADLIFTING....Thankyou
I always love doing heavy squats after my primary deadlifts!! Like my lower back might seem a little tired but I'm stronger than if I just did squats only??? Honestly I always lift better when my muscles feel a little bad or tired lolol
The acute fatigue management concept makes a lot of sense. Coincidentally, I've just switched my program to have the heavy squat, bench, and deadlift on the same day - for me, the reasoning was to sort of simulate the actual meet day.
Edit: Broooo 24:38 That is craaazy. I just came across that Mindpump podcast on bicep training - how most people often use compound lifts for tricep training like CG bench and dips, but only utilize single-joint movements for bicep training. And one of the guys delves into the weighted chins done in a particular way.
Yeah man I was super keen on his take! I actually like their podcast a lot lol. He’s a bit opinionated for my usual swooning hahahaha but overall he’s got some awesome content.
Meet day simulation is big key
every session I go to repe 11 or sometimes rpe 10 / 9.5 which is really efficient for me to train. nervous system is just ripped out at this point which is why I can't do anything other after that except some smaller muscle groups and volume work. I just try to recover my nervus system very fast so I can train 6 times a week. That includes alot of calorien, protein, sufficient greens / micros, cardio and meditation. Not into supplements for now though.
My squats were extremly hamstring-heavy and also my deadlifts taxes mostly hamstrings but now I switched techniques to activate the quads more on the squats because my hip joints are taxed too much with my former technique. So I think I can give this another shot to program heavy Deadlifts after heavy squats. To push even further. Don't feel my lower back that mcuch in either of the exercises though.
Literally just tweaked my back doing a heavy squat/deads session, but it was higher vol and I don’t think I was optimally recovered
I stumbled on the same idea, this works for me well
Great vid & topic as always B! Totally agree with you with you about feeling better squatting heavy & pulling heavy on the same day. I recently tried spliting them up to try something new. After one block, I just knew it wasn't it & went right back to the bread and butter with the two coupled together. Honestly, I think it has to do with more of a psychological/mental arousal component more than anything. Hard to be hype af day in day out every session. And that cloud 9 feeling of hitting that heavy SD session & pushing through volume just hits different lol. Will say the main downside is quality/pushing backoff volume at times but there's a time and place for everything.
I switch I do 5 reps on squat then after I do 5 reps of deadlift and repeat
around 17:30 lol, i always joke about I would rather destroy my hips and back 2 days (squat and deadlift same day) than 4 days( squat and deadlift separate day)
and I can relate to arm exercises lol, i would skip arm for calves
That’s actually a great simplistic way of explaining it!
I like SBD for this exact reason. I just gotta make sure Im moving quick and not in the gym too long, bring a tool to shave down my calluses for deadlift and take a bit extra pre workout lmao.
I started doing heavy squats and dead’s together following candito, I do jug ai now and I must say I would rather squat and deadlift the same session purely just to have the most amount of recovery time
Lol I got that mine pump clip about the arm compound exercises in my recommended as well
I don't think it matters much in all honestly. Like you said, as long as your training split isn't stupid, your body will adapt consistently. I currently do Secondary Squat/Primary Deadlift/Primary Bench/Back Accessories/Primary Squat+Secondary Deadlift/Secondary Bench/Rest and it's working great.
I agree and disagree. What I mean is that physiologically I find not too much will differ, I would argue combined will peak more reliably and slightly benefit many (not all) however psychologically there’s a lot of benefit that I think actually takes the biggest cake. Mainly due to life pragmatics, meet day preparation, mental fortitude, etc but I also agree it’s not that big of a deal as long as you’re hyped the fuck up! Paradoxical almost in the sense it matters but doesn’t hahahaha
you are severely underrated in the fitness industry man. i was wondering if you coach beginners for powerlfiting cuz i would love for you to be my coach lol
I coach ALL lifters who want to try hard and learn! Idc what anyones experience is. Some of my favorite lifters I coach are beginners and some are extremely advanced. What I seek is the right mindset. You can schedule a meeting in the description box!
Beautiful squat, give the man credit.
9:45 nothing more fun than I guy with so many opinions. Yey!
Like you said, the reason I don't do that is time. Ideally I'd do all my heaviest movements on my D1 SBD and then taper intensity down the rest of the week so I'm as recovered as possible going into the following week's D1, but that session would take longer than I have.
With this take 100%
Pragmatics always out weigh hypothetical benefits
Good content as usual man. I see your point. I mean once your deads get to a certain level are you ever really having a "light" deadlift day? Even if it's volume deads or variations, you're still getting after it at 75%+. I see the value of this strategy. 💯
Yeah that too lol but in reality it’s definitely still way lighter for me and easier to recover from. But there’s a lot of truth to this statement especially since total energy demand doesn’t decrease but instead increases
Now try 220kg for 5x3. Should be doable for you seen how easy it went with 1 rep. After that see how well you perform on the deadlift.
I was Killing Deadlifts after hitting some heavy squats
I used to do 3 SBD days weekly, now that I have it more spread out I actually feel like my low back is weaker on deads. Which was crazy to me before watching this video but this makes sence now.
Great insights as usual obviously deserves a like ;)
I do heavy squat and deadlift on staurday which is my 2nd leg workout, tuesday is the 1st. I try to focus on more reps on tuesday and then saturday i do a 2 rep max and maybe 1rm if it feels good.
I do squats and deads Monday squats and rows Wednesday squat variation and dead variation friday
Gotta agree on the arm training, it absolutely bores the living shit out of me😂
Just recently started watching all your videos and this channel is a gem keep it up …. Would love some IG posts too
We have a private Prime IG account, if you sign up even for just our support membership ($10) you can get access and get access to our free videos online! The only reason I put it behind a pay wall is I’m trying hard to get to the point where I can publish content M-F year around without the use of any major sponsors etc. but if you’re not financially chill then I can promise to keep posting here often!
What has helped you the most with your hip injury? Mine has been bothering me a lot lately.
Weighted chins are one of my best lifts because I treat them as a main lift.
Biceps are also one of my better body parts and I don't do much bicep isolation work.
Could I just have really good bicep genetics? Maybe.
I doubt it though and do think there is something there.
All these years later would you keep your novice program the same or would you tweak it in anyway?
Its the ONE program I’ve written where I wouldn’t change a thing tbh, I wrote it so damn well
I thought Squat Bar is for more stability / less flex due to its increasde thickness? But I can't use this long bar as well. May have to return it somehow but not sure how to get the right packaging for it lol. I like to try a weightlifting barbell wit that nice whip.
Good vid. Subbing. Have you heard of or tried nuclei overload training arms aka arms every day?
A good goddamn point. 👏
I have been watching you for years, and mostly everything you say works for me, but I've found things that you've talked about that just straight up don't work for me. It's good to recognize your individuality.
Yes indeed!! Couldn’t agree more
Also thank you for your ongoing support! I remember and recognize all the OGs
Would love to hear your point on the emerging recent research that fat free mass can predict precisely overall and lift performance.
Also I agree with the non raw powerlifting stuff lmao 😂.
Like most science it’s a general truth. But anecdotally we know it’s more complex. I mean just look at some of the top skinny af USAPLers lol. Also the science hasn’t quite shown that the way MASS/Greg seem to think, I’d argue there’s a lot of data showing the opposite
I think most people should aim to get really jacked though, as it definitely correlated to more potential individually.
Bro .. is there a reason why you walkout without bending your knees on a squat?? Is it for the tightness and any other reasons!?? Would you recommend it? And before you walkout, it seems that you unrack and rerack the bar... Is it done on purpose?? Would you recommend it?
Brendan, for those that like a push/pull split with squats on push day, would heavy deads a day after heavy squats work close to this too?
Yes it’ll work close to this! Definitely deads can take a hit the next day, But you’ll adapt!
Damn this has actually resonated with me. I’m constantly dribbling heavy squat, bench and dead work through the week and I see these peaks and valleys all the time. How much time between your heavy lower day would you program your heavy bench day? Also, if I have volume upper and lower days would they be better done earlier in the week or later on after the heavy days? Cheers
How much time off do u take between workouts when you combine Sqauts and DL
Why is it that you warm up for deadlifts after squats that too from just 70 kg.?
How many back down sets do you do
"Try to not be a bitch" 😂😂😂 thats bumper sticker material
Love the content and channel :)
What is considered heavy? Is is 70-85% or even more.
Im wondering whether heavy on same day is beneficial for me when not on some sort of PEDs?
what microphone do you use for your voice overs?
Do you also do your squat variation and deadlift variation on the same training day?
Not always but sometimes, for those I find it doesn’t matter much
The bar is crooked
Was wondering what's your arm size?
I would guess 16-17
@@Andreastheduck 😭😭😭 fml they’re 18, although I haven’t measured since I cut. Maybe less. Fuckin perks of being 6’0” with lanky ass arms lol
Last I measured was 18.25 but that was at peak bulk so prob 17.5 but I’ll measure soon
Everytime i hit a PR for deadlift, it was on heavy squat day hah
Mind pump guys advice is all over the place.
Best thing they did was have Jordan on their UA-cam.
Lanky dude with shitty arms, who hates training them, checking the Fock in !! 🙋♂️
What joggers are those?
Alphalete! Kinda mad tho cuz they’re mad tight lol and they won’t exchange them
9:40 XD
HAHAHAHA 👀
Don't compare steroids users with natty, it won't work the same, competition powerlifters are almost definitely on gear , they always deny it as it takes credit away from them 😂
This isn’t true at all. I’m on gear but usapl and IPF is natty. They’re rigorously drug tested. I coach geared lifters WAY different than naturals. I’ve coached both usapl and drug organizations alike and I would know by the way they respond if they were on gear. You’re just projecting inadequacy
Squatting with the phone in the pocket?!?! Blasphepmy!
Hahahahaha I like to live dangerously
Shame on you with the Deadlift only comments lol. Especially without mentioning bench only