@@oliverraman i think you could save some money by creating a slightly longer ring route that uses the gateway bridge. Plus it can serve hamilton and carindale too.
I think the Metro Bus will be an excellent addition to the bus network. However it is important to note that the metro bus should not be at competition with a subway or tram. Especially treater as a cheaper solution. Gold Coast light rail phase 1 will cost about the same as Brisbane Metro, and they had to buile substantially more infrastructure. And each tram carries double of what the brisbane metro does. With an actual subway it cannot compete at all, as a subway can still run every 3 minutes and carry up to 1000-1400 people per train. In my opinion we shoule absolutely be investing in both an actual driverless metro and light rail network for Brisbane as well as the metro bus.
G:Link Stage 1 built about 13km of track for about $1.6B. Even ignoring how significantly inflation for building materials has increased since then and with the impact of COVID, that is equivalent to about $2.2B today. In contract the metro is a $1.3B project (about 60% of the price) which has supplied metros to about 20km worth of busway (though this does ignore the initial ~$1B spent to build the busway network back in 2001, which would be equivalent to ~$1.8B in today's money). In peak the metros will carry about ~4000 people/hour/direction on some parts of the busway, with the option to increase this to about ~10,000 if they run every 2 minutes. This is in addition to the current ~20,000 the busway already facilitates (though I imagine the true peak of capacity on the busway is probably somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000). I think the G:Link at current maximum capacity carries ~2500, with the possibility to increase to ~7000 if they run every 3 minutes. Now G:Link Stage 4 is estimated to cost somewhere between $3B and $7B for an additional 13km of track. I really doubt expanding the metro network in Brisbane will be that expensive. Especially since you can just build transitways if you want to be really cheap like the state government has been doing and as the Councillor in this video suggested.
@@PyroManZII While yes G:Link was more expensive. G:Link also built substantially more infrastructure. 90% of the Brisbane's Metro infrastructure was already built. G:Link has lower capacity because it also has less frequency, which can be solved by adding new trams which are the same price as the metro; which each bus has half the capacity of a tram. This isn't to diss the Metro Bus. I think it is a great addition the the network, but it should not be waved as a "cheaper" option because it simply isn't when you consider how little they actually built and how long it took to acquire basically just a larger and nicer 66 and 111 service. In reality we should be rolling out both. The Brisbane Metro is good for quickly going from one side of the city to the other, while trams are better for local and inner urban trips. The Metro is also good for enhancing existing bus corridors, like the busways. Adding more capacity to them.
@@Matt_JJz I would say it is the cheaper option. Even as you say comparing just the raw cost of building the entire busway, as well as the recent metro project together, it comes to about $2.3B (about 20km of busway, including all the necessary bridges and tunnels). G:Link Stage 1 costed around $2.2B (about 13km of trams, with one sort of tunnel necessary). G:Link Stage 4 is possibly anywhere between $3B and $7B for another 13km of trams (which is just for the infrastructure, without adding additional capacity). I think a new metro bus costs about $3M and a new G:Link tram (back in 2016 at least) costed about $6M, so the metro has a slight edge in terms of price per passenger capacity, but not by a whole heap. It is really the infrastructure costs where the metro wins out in the cost debate. As you say light rail has important cases to be used in, but if your aim is to cheaply expand infrastructure and passenger capacity across a network then busways (and metros) are your ticket.
@@PyroManZII The busway in total actually costed 4.2 billion. With the 1 billion only being on the Gabba to Eight Mile Plains section. Along the metro route it does drop to 2.8 billion. Ontop of 1.4 billion for the metro this would put the total cost at 4.2 billion for the first stage of it. Mind you as well that these Metro Buses for the same capacity of a tram needs a lot more maintaining and double the driving staff. Which will result in higher cost over time. With the upfront cost being roughly equal again in terms of total passenger numbers. G:Link itself may have less capacity in terms of passengers per hour, but this is also just one tram line. The Metro is offering two lines, all though one being a lot shorter. And it is important to note that the original 1 billion figure for the main part of the busway was mostly built on nothing, while G:Link was built through heavily built up areas. The same result can be seen with the busways too, that the sections they were build through that had a lot of development around it drove up the costs a lot. With the section between the gabba and cooparoo alone costing 722 million. Overall it isn't a cost effective alternative to light rail. And it doesn't really offer a better service. And The Metro is also another 350 million dollars cheaper because they cut out a major part of it. Which would of put the total cost up to 4.55 billion. And even then after all of this time nearly 10 years in the making, only a percentage of the network can be used. Meaning only in peak times will the metro be able to operate at every 5 minutes per line, and likely go to 10 minutes off peak. Which would now make it have just as much capacity as the G:Link tram. The Metro will see a double in frequency at least in the inner city part during the section stage, however that is because they want to introduce 2 new lines. G:Link itself is just expanding the lines they already have. 1.4 billion dollars alone with the very little infrastructure built, and 4.2 in total. And if the busways were to be built today, they likely would of been a lot more expensive. So yeah in conclusion, no The Metro is not cheaper. It is also worse for the environment due to its use of lithium ion batteries. And the Metro itself is not compatible for pedestrian environments. Trams and these new buses have strong suits in some areas, so instead of trying to use them replace each other. Just apply them to where they work best.
We did not settle on a Metro. We settled on a really good bus. Which I am excited to use in the very near future. It’s disingenuous to call it something it isn’t because it makes the very needed Metro (underground rapid rail system) that much more difficult build.
Regarding politics: Queensland needs a central public transit infrastructure planning agency. Having BCC and state governments arguing and competing spending on which parties are in power is a colossal waste of time. Ideally, the Brisbane “metro”would’ve been a real metro like Sydney’s: tracks, automation and immense capacity. The lack of central planning is why we’ve ended up with a stop-gap measure in the form of these double articulated buses. This “metro” is absolutely an improvement on current service (BCC should be commended on delivering it), but I fear it will reach capacity much faster than predicted given the growth of SEQ.
Queensland HAS a mass transport planning agency. But the problem is, rather than catering to that, the Brisbane City Council wants to have a pi55ing contest with it, and market that IT is the one fixing the problem by mislabelling things or running services which they can limit to within their council area. The problem is that the council has almost a billion to throw around on infrastructure and has budgeted $541 Million for 2024-2025 for "public transport improvements" alone. But that's not real, there's a whole heap of shonky accounting practices involved. BCC is engaged in a shell game with that money. (There's 350 Million in "returned assets" just in 2024-25, btw). Of course, the OTHER big councils, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay, Logan, Ipswich all have fairly substantial budgets (like the same kind of budgets as the smaller states) to throw around too and they're not happy with central planning either, for the same political and self promotional reasons. In fact, many of said councils have been overthrown due to corruption. You won't fix the problem when you've got councils building vanity projects that don't add to the whole. We'll likely see the Gold Coast Tram get to Gold Coast Airport before heavy rail does. That'll probably add an extra hour of travel time for an airport to airport link because of an interchange at Helensvale with a slow tram. Oh, and the extra interchange at Roma Street due to the design of cross river rail II (the sequel).
@@MICMON At least he used to try and pretend to be a bit impartial, not being drawn into... whatever this ridiculous rant was that he endeavoured upon. Even acknowledging that the LNP council and state parties were disinclined to support 50c fares would have at least gone some way to showing that he had some atom of credibility.
@@THOOODAI Ironically, his dream of an LNP-LNP dream duo that will bring a Metro expansion north will be confronted with the reality that it was the LNP that cancelled the northern busway expansion.
@@krushingkobra I'm sure if the LNP cancelled the metro extensions, this guy would just say "Finally we have a fiscally responsible premier, not wasting our money on frivolous metros".
Miles has certainly given me a lot of ammo. Labor have been in charge for 3 terms and still no credible policy. Loved stealing the Lord Mayor's homework though. Time for change.
I love how that councilor is excited about the Next Stop screen (I'm guessing this was so he could segue into associating the project with Bluey) when the best thing about the Metro is the service frequency. No one wants to wait 30 minutes to an hour for the next service. 15 minutes should be the maximum. If the only way to get this for Public transport is via this metro then I guess I'm all for it. Close some car lanes and roll it out Brisbane wide, ASAP.
Mel is at his best when discussion infrastructure, you can see the passion! Metro expansion thoughts: 1) M2 extension north *must* go via the Prince Charles hospital 2) M3 extension east is a no-brainer (including Mel’s plan!) 3) M4 extension to the airport is dubious at best: -there’s already train to the airport (airtrain deal expires 2036 or could be bought out) -the other alignment would replace the doomben line?? What a waste! Just duplicate the donne line tracks and extend it to Hamilton! 4) I’d like to see metro extend west, to Indooroopilly and beyond. Maybe even add a UQlakes->Toowong->Roma loop
Unfortunately BCC is focused more on PR than fixing real problems. They could have introduced this service a few years ago with regular buses. They have built no new infrastructure as part of this project.
A metro is mass transit for a metro areas. This is a metro just because the only way to provide this previously was trains doesn't mean that is what it should be. Why are people so emotional about this? This is the Brisbane metro, it will be amazing.
I'm proud that Brisbane has scaled up an already existing technology which actually benefits the city. The route to Carseldine will be a game changer because it has the potential to reduce traffic on Gympie Road
I doubt this can be achieved with the current BCC. They haven’t released any plans how they plan to do this without metro, sorry buses, stopping at the traffic lights every 200m.
With risk comes reward. I really enjoy seeing risk takers in Australia delivering a well executed infrastructure project. I think this is amazing and look forward to watching it develop
The extension to Springwood would by far be the easiest to implement. Once the busway is built to Springwood, you just need to run the Metro 1 route an extra 10 minutes down the road and back.
By golly - I know he is a rich, middle-aged, property developer and so was probably granted an honourary LNP membership, but he really sliced any atom of credibility he had by letting half of his video become a one-sided political rant. If he even for a second pretended to have some sort of credibility by trying to interview Miles or acknowledging that the 50c fares that he is heaping praise on was a Labor initiative that his adored LNP local and state parties fiercely opposed, then I might give him some benefit of the doubt. But gosh... it won't be long now before he is running for his electorate as an LNP member at this rate.
@@PyroManZII I've tried to get plenty of Labor people on the channel, I even donated $3k to Labor's campaign this election to try show some goodwill to get an interview. Reckon I got a return phone call? Zero.
The Brisbane Metro will be a great way to get around the Brisbane City District. Personally I never really liked taking buses but the Metro will change my overall opinion of buses
It will not. The reason Brisbane is so poorly connected by public transport is the fact that the BCC has the surface area of greater London and one 1/10 of its population. This doesn't even include Logan, Ipswich, the Redlands, Moreton Bay council and never mind the Gold and Sunshine coast areas.
I think it’s a great addition to Brisbane’s public transit. It’s similar to the system that Malmö, Sweden has had for 10 years now and they are still building out their system
A couple of points. This Hess model bus has been around for about 20 years now. Bi-articulated buses are nothing new. Secondly, you get what you pay for in capacity. This might be cheap and light rail and rail cost more, but this has a fraction of the capacity. The Brisbane Metro has only about 33% more capacity than the 333 conventional articulated bus service to Bondi in Sydney and only 25% of the capacity of the SE light rail in Sydney. It has only 10% of the design capacity of the real Metro in Sydney. For a large and growing city like Brisbane, this is simply not enough capacity. Brisbane needs rail and light rail.
I really don't understand it. It's just two routes. How does that help the rest of the network? Looks like it's all about going to different universities which is fine. But how does it help me when my bus finishes like 10:00 at night.
Gold Coast light rail 🚈 is still the best in Queensland Brisbane needs a light rail system for outer suburbs like Logan and Springwood that'll connect eastwards to Richlands and Inala and eventually towards Springfield. Right now it takes over an hour by bus and multiple change overs to go between these areas
@@nathanmurray The areas along Gympie road are one of the most populated areas in Brisbane. Are you saying that a new train line along Gympie Road (e.g. in the new tunnel) would not have enough demand?
@nathanmurray expanding transport (like a light rail) towards Springfield would make living away from the city more preferable and building homes too. Also building Olympic venues outwards in Springfield that involves nature activities would help take congestion away from the focus of the City alone during that period.
@@pabichpawel my reply was directed at the suggestion of Light Rail from Logan/Springwood to Inala/Richlands/Springfield. Gympie Road was not mentioned.
With the state of the traffic we definitely need better public transport and this seems like a good solution. Bigger picture, I can see it reaching the Gold Coast.
The widening of the Centenary Motorway should be for a busway, with Metros servicing suburbs like Jindalee, Mt Ommaney, Inala and Forest Lake and another line servicing Sunnybank, Sunnybank Hills, Algester and Browns Plains. Another route servicing the Waterworks Rd corridor and another out along Old Northern Rd. These western parts of Brisbane aren’t serviced much by rail and bus and road routes are already at capacity. More mini orbital and east to west transit links, as well as upgrades to the 598/599 would help as well. A rail link from Beenleigh Ipswich via the Logan Motorway corridor would link Ipswich to the Gold Coast and provide rail services to suburbs along that route
makes sense, one thing that Queensland doesn’t lack is land space. There’s no need to bury transport underground like densely populated cities do. The fleet can be upgraded in the future for driverless operation. The cost saving from digging tunnels and building massive underground stations can be deployed towards building solar farms to lower cost of transport even further.
I really hope they dont waste money on a metro to Airport/Hamilton (M4) The airport line services the airport wonderfully and the current Domben line whilst heavy rail dosen't make a lot of sense it is already built and running 3 car trains with small track and station upgrades are likely cheaper than trying to replace it with a busway.
this is an electric bus running on an existing busway for 1.5 billion. I really hope the new LNP state is more imaginative than their LNP council brethren.
This video was going so well, until old mate started talking about Crisifulofit, Crisifulofit is NO FRIEND to public transport, he and Newman were the ones who cut funding and jobs to our heavy rail, we lost hundreds of drivers and guards because of them, and labor had to fast track hiring and training to get drivers and guards to service the new line that was just being completed, the redcliffe peninsula line, which opened before that recruiting and training could be done, resulting in service cuts across ALL other lines. Of course Crisifulofit will say the metro bus is a great idea, it's from his LNP mate.
Yeah he was rather silent on his role in supporting Newman in gutting the Eastern and Northern busways a decade ago wasn't he? Suddenly had a turn of faith now? LNP was even against 50c fares and has refused to promise to make it permanent...
It’s a no brainer: a tram-like service with all of the benefits but crucially without the need to lay rail lines and all that entails in extra costs, time , blowouts etc. Just head south and take a look how long it’s taking to deliver c. 7 extra KM’s of track on the GC.
It would be great to see a video which challenges the constant expansion of our suburbs through the conversion of bushland into residential zoning, instead of deliberate zoning efforts to build greater density within our existing footprint. And more diversity of high density, not just high rise apartments. Unfortunately investment into light rail or subway systems just don’t make sense when we have so much urban sprawl.
Route 169 is obviously just the trial route. M1 & M2 won’t commence until the new year. We really need to extend it to Bracken ridge via Chermside (could use exsisting bus lanes and a new busway as part of the Gympie road tunnel) would be nice to have the great circle line bus become a metro.
@@electro_sykes well not for our politicians, when I went to the community consulations re the new tunnel, the team told me that they are NOT looking at anything else than vehicle traffic.
M4 option 1 sounds better but I would include option 2 in your eastern ring route idea but use the Gateway Bridge instead of building a new bridge. my $0.02 from a non Qld resident.
With the possible M4 extension, I reckon they should do both routes because you could see a need for having 10 express routes from the airport because of the extra passengers from the airport.
Would love to see a couple of expansion lines to service Brisbane's Westside, perhaps one to Springfield, and the other to Samford, with both heading into Roma Street. It seems the Western Suburbs are always forgotten.
Regardless of the political party in power it’s good to see action towards progressive improvement in public transport, However strong consideration and implementation should be also focused on satellite cities to Brisbane , such as Ipswich Toowoomba and the areas between these two city’s, as the expansion of the capital progresses these areas have already shown to be undergoing population growth through urbanisation. Perhaps a similar template could be implemented in conjunction with the inland rail project once construction finally commences for the Queensland stage of this project , share the love to some other thriving areas outside of Brisbane away from the typical focus on the sunshine or Gold Coast focus.
Summary: * $1 billion to buy new electric bues and build their charging infrastrucuture * 8 years , and *counting* to deliver two lines that use existing infrastructure * Line extensions, that are no more than dots on a map because there have been no details released. How they are going to get to Carseldine without stopping every 200m at the traffic lights on Gympie road. We can do better, much better.
@@michaelstewart6909 Where will the stadium be if the other guy gets in? He has somehow promised no new stadiums, and not using the Gabba or QSAC... so what remaining oval-shaped stadiums are left? Maybe Allan Border Oval will host the opening ceremony in front of 2000 people? Perhaps that WAFL stadium in Springfield?
@@PyroManZII there's always the show grounds! I have no idea why they took the Olympics without a decent plan for a new stadium. The Gabba has been built in and not worth pursuing. I hope the new premier takes the Vic Park option, whatever his name is.
@@michaelstewart6909 I just don't see why we would spend billions of dollars to build a gigantic stadium on one of the few large green reserves we have left for the people of Brisbane? Neither the cricket nor AFL is ever going to fill it up unless the Lions win the next 8 grand finals in a row. This is probably why the LNP leader has promised 'no new stadiums'. I would say that the Gabba rework to bring it up to standard without adding much additional capacity is the best, with QSAC also just needing a small investment to return it to 45,000 capacity for the Olympics. It saves us the money to build important things (like busway extensions). I would much rather our Olympic legacy was high quality public transportation than a stadium with higher capacity.
Despite all the hype it is just over (maybe) two buses, and not much bigger than an existing "bendy bus". It's "bums on seats" that has to be considered before flashy looks and more complications . A good subway wins every time when it comes to bulk people moving
Now they've done it they should expand it. But what happens when an old diesel bus breaks down on the busway? Whats metro do then? If they extend to careseldine, they'll need to significantly upgrade gympie road or go to a tunnel system with defacto undergroud stations like lutwyche. Good luck
@@MelPikos yeah they can do that with the current buses but first they have to get a safety officer there to route traffic safely. It's not an instant process and can cause major delays especially at peak time. I'm for metro but it's not perfect.
Despite some rumours going around (as part of these proposed Brisbane Metro extension projects), that they never cease dedicated rail passenger services on the Eagle Junction to Doomben branch line.
Doomben line would make a nice busway to Hamilton from the exsisting busway at Lutwyche. All it requires really is a busway tunnel from Lutwyche to Eagle farm.
Terribly unimaginative. We really need something more than a bendy bus. Two true metro lines - high-frequency heavy rail - are needed, from Indooroopilly to Hamilton via St Lucia, and Chermside to the south-east. The busway "metro" is useless. It doesn't expand the network at all and won't meet future demand.
God, as someone who has lived in Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Tweed…. Across this country, I’ve never seen such a pathetic “project”… this is a bus and a national embarrassment.
I see two oversights.... First, why extensions not extended out west to serve PT starved suburbs of Kenmore & Moggill? And secondly, Carseldine shiuldnt be terminus - extend to Sandgate. Same for Springwood to end at Loganholme Speaking of Kedron-Carseldine leg, if tunnel is to happen - the Metro stations needs to be injected & have their priority corridors. Orbit lines are a must, modernize the 598/599 should be considered too Wonder Brisbane would convert Doomben line to bus network ???
Would be down to the ease of implementation. Gympie Rd and Old Cleveland Rd's are both 3/4 lanes wide with a parking lane, so can easily accommodate bus lanes. Moggill Rd does not have the ability to accommodate a bus lane without taking out a traffic lane or expensive widening works with likely land acquisition required. TMR are looking at extending the busway to Loganholme in conjunction with the M1 widening, so extension of the Metro service however, remember these are BCC owned vehicles, having them travel into the depths of another council area may not be supported
The Metro requires busways to run, and a busway extension is currently under construction to Springwood only. While further extension to Loganholme is in planning, it is a fair way off yet (and may not actually run all the way to the station due to issues with the local road network around the Hyperdome).
Haha I'll try tone it down, I was excited for a great project that has had zero support from the State until it was time to cut a ribbon and pretend to take some credit for it.
@@MelPikosthe state did provide some funding but it’s an idiotic project. It’s literally slower than a regular bus running on established bus routes. How’s that an improvement?
So it's basically a modified bus but it serves its purpose. In my opinion, I think both options to the airport should be kept, as you would have lots of passengers along both routes. Pinkenba and Myrtletown residents do not get regular bus service which is why that option should be kept as well as the airport route through the DFO Keep posting great informative videos, I have become a huge fan of your channel
@@jaxtar923 no, he has committed to keeping it indefinitely. One of his "first 100 Days" commitments is "DIRECT Departments to work on making 50 cent public transport fares permanent"
People opposed the Gold Coast light rail. Said it would be a failure, people wouldn’t use it, it would crash property values along the route. Literally the exact opposite turned out to be true, in fact it was successful far and away beyond expectations. This idiotic slow bespoke electric bus is just another example of the LNP pi55ing away our money on vanity projects which add nothing to the public transport needs of the city. The busway network, built by the Qld State Labor government was designed from the outset to be upgraded to light rail which is a real high capacity transport solution. The LNP have deliberately sabotaged Brisbane’s future public transport infrastructure for their own nefarious purposes. And then Qlders were stupid enough to fall for idiotic scare campaigns and vote the LNP into state government 🤦🏽 Within a year they’ll realise (for newbies to the state) or remember (for the rest) why we don’t elect Tory governments in this state - they’re always hopeless, always vindictive, always corrupt.
So…. A big bus that does nothing to help people who dont ha e access to decent pulbkic transport and only services the same areas already well services by busways? Nothing for the West? How about a fleet of minibuses continually running laps of outer suburbs to get people from their local areas to where these busways or train stations exist? Lack of access to ENDPOiNT stops lots of people from using PT
To be honest, the electric extended banana bus is doing very little to add to capacity on these routes. The $1 billion price tag seems pretty hefty given no track was laid. This system was advertised as ready to go on existing infrastructure. At best it's an interim step to light rail.
Quality content, as usual. But the political bias is really lathered on here. Come on mate, this can be better. You will undoubtedly paint yourself into corner. Just some feedback, your content is solid without the fringe rubbish. Leave it out.
I enjoyed the video explanation of the Metro, however you should keep your political opinions to yourself and not include them in the discussion as it detracts from all the information you provided. Otherwise very interesting. Would think Capalaba link could circle back to Wynnum and then over the gateway to Hamilton Ascot area and back to the city.
@@MelPikosif you support the LNP then you’re corrupt and on the gravy train. No one should take your channel seriously except as seriously bad Tory propaganda.
Labour is loyal to their party over anything else. Quite a shame. Brissie and surrounds need all the transport options we can get. Metro delivers on that. One of the few good uses of my money by the council. It needs to expand heaps and they need to do it heaps fast to keep up. After that let's get a proper underground. And in my perfect world roads are not ignored either.
Another transport project where the western suburbs miss out. Could have extended this to Toowong or Indoorpilly. So much potential wasted on this. We haven't got much out here, just two train lines running off peak of 30 mins each line and peak time 12 mins.
Another BILLION dollars to improve the services of areas that already have good access to public transport - exactly like Cross River Rail. It is not going to make the morning and afternoon commutes on ANY major thoroughfare in and out of the city any different at all. Heaven forbid any of them use an ounce of vision to open up a NEW transport corridor rather than gold plate the existing ones. Yes, Kudos all round ... I'll see the rest of you (the overwhelming majority) in tomorrow's wall-to-wall traffic ... and the day after that ... and the day after that ... etc
Cross river rail is needed because the current central station and river crossing are at capacity. Cross river rail will double capacity allowing us to cater for future suburban lines
@@electro_sykes Which new suburban lines?? The ones we've been hearing about since the 1970's?? Or are these new mythical lines we'll hear about for the next 50 years? The fact is - they have ZERO plans to lay a single piece of new track anywhere not on the existing lines. They have ZERO plans to open any new stations anywhere. They have ZERO plans to extend the current 100 year old rail network that was built for a completely different Brisbane.
This is the tyranny of infrastructure. Even with express running, the demand is going to be higher in the inner city so there will be more subsidisation of infrastructure to already wealthy suburbs. So the people living in Kedron and Toowong and the like get increased service frequency with 50 cent fares, while those in Browns Plains or Deception bay get $200 per week fuel and toll bills.
@@OldFellaDaveno, the freight/interstate line through Greenbank is to be dual gauged with a new Line built to Beaudesert, extension to the Gold Coast airport, the new Sunshine Coast line currently under development.
@@MelPikosno, the ALP are just sh1thouse at running effective campaigns. I HATE the LNP with a passion. If you were a bit older and wiser and had grown up under the corrupt National Party, you’d hate them too. But I guess you’re on the take.
I think get rid of the rail network and put buses in. Far more adaptable and we can finally have two lanes.... And it will be far quieter. This is the future of the Metro around the world.
@@nathanmurray lets do your math.... Trains leave every 30 minutes... bus will leave every 5 minute... that 6 buses for every train with capacity planned for every 3 minutes which would be.... 10 buses for every train.... Unlike the train network which has some serious bottle necking throughout the network the bus net work on has bottleneck in town. They can build capacity by simply increasing the stations in town. and removing the silly busses that go through the busway and cross it. The plan is to have most buses on the Bus way only for the busway. This will allow a bus to turn up every minute going where you want it to and the sub bus route will run more regularly supporting the busway... It's a huge win. If a bus turns up every 5 minutes even that is a HUGE step forward for public transport. It means time tables are irrelevant, FAR more important that how many they hold actually. Also Note Capacity of train 500 (according to QRail) Capacity of Metro Bus 150. So Actually more than 6 metros per hours and you have more capacity. So a bus every 5 minutes is 12 buses or 7 more buses than the capacity of the train for the same time period.
@@chrisschneider7609 there are a few errors in your comment. Lets start with train capacity - the Department of Transport and Main Roads lists the total capacity of the newest trains in the fleet (NGR) as 946, almost double your figure - 420 seated and 526 standing. Next we have train frequency. Yes, from some stations trains are only every 30 minutes. But on across large sections of the network - like Petrie to Darra or Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains, trains leave every 15 minutes. With upcoming projects like Gold Coast to Logan Faster Rail, the entirety of the Beenleigh and Gold Coast lines are intended to go to 15 minute frequency each.
Are you excited for the launch of the Brisbane Metro? Would you have preferred a light rail option? And where should the Metro network expand to next?
Needs to go to Bracken ridge via Chermside next. Desperately needed.
The ring route sounds like it will serve a large population
Preferred Brisbane Metro
The Metro network should expand to Ferny Grove
@@oliverraman i think you could save some money by creating a slightly longer ring route that uses the gateway bridge. Plus it can serve hamilton and carindale too.
@@HKS159 dont you guys already have the ferny grove line?
I think the Metro Bus will be an excellent addition to the bus network. However it is important to note that the metro bus should not be at competition with a subway or tram. Especially treater as a cheaper solution. Gold Coast light rail phase 1 will cost about the same as Brisbane Metro, and they had to buile substantially more infrastructure. And each tram carries double of what the brisbane metro does. With an actual subway it cannot compete at all, as a subway can still run every 3 minutes and carry up to 1000-1400 people per train.
In my opinion we shoule absolutely be investing in both an actual driverless metro and light rail network for Brisbane as well as the metro bus.
G:Link Stage 1 built about 13km of track for about $1.6B. Even ignoring how significantly inflation for building materials has increased since then and with the impact of COVID, that is equivalent to about $2.2B today. In contract the metro is a $1.3B project (about 60% of the price) which has supplied metros to about 20km worth of busway (though this does ignore the initial ~$1B spent to build the busway network back in 2001, which would be equivalent to ~$1.8B in today's money).
In peak the metros will carry about ~4000 people/hour/direction on some parts of the busway, with the option to increase this to about ~10,000 if they run every 2 minutes. This is in addition to the current ~20,000 the busway already facilitates (though I imagine the true peak of capacity on the busway is probably somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000). I think the G:Link at current maximum capacity carries ~2500, with the possibility to increase to ~7000 if they run every 3 minutes.
Now G:Link Stage 4 is estimated to cost somewhere between $3B and $7B for an additional 13km of track. I really doubt expanding the metro network in Brisbane will be that expensive. Especially since you can just build transitways if you want to be really cheap like the state government has been doing and as the Councillor in this video suggested.
@@PyroManZII While yes G:Link was more expensive. G:Link also built substantially more infrastructure. 90% of the Brisbane's Metro infrastructure was already built. G:Link has lower capacity because it also has less frequency, which can be solved by adding new trams which are the same price as the metro; which each bus has half the capacity of a tram.
This isn't to diss the Metro Bus. I think it is a great addition the the network, but it should not be waved as a "cheaper" option because it simply isn't when you consider how little they actually built and how long it took to acquire basically just a larger and nicer 66 and 111 service.
In reality we should be rolling out both. The Brisbane Metro is good for quickly going from one side of the city to the other, while trams are better for local and inner urban trips. The Metro is also good for enhancing existing bus corridors, like the busways. Adding more capacity to them.
@@Matt_JJz I would say it is the cheaper option. Even as you say comparing just the raw cost of building the entire busway, as well as the recent metro project together, it comes to about $2.3B (about 20km of busway, including all the necessary bridges and tunnels). G:Link Stage 1 costed around $2.2B (about 13km of trams, with one sort of tunnel necessary). G:Link Stage 4 is possibly anywhere between $3B and $7B for another 13km of trams (which is just for the infrastructure, without adding additional capacity).
I think a new metro bus costs about $3M and a new G:Link tram (back in 2016 at least) costed about $6M, so the metro has a slight edge in terms of price per passenger capacity, but not by a whole heap. It is really the infrastructure costs where the metro wins out in the cost debate. As you say light rail has important cases to be used in, but if your aim is to cheaply expand infrastructure and passenger capacity across a network then busways (and metros) are your ticket.
@@PyroManZII The busway in total actually costed 4.2 billion. With the 1 billion only being on the Gabba to Eight Mile Plains section. Along the metro route it does drop to 2.8 billion. Ontop of 1.4 billion for the metro this would put the total cost at 4.2 billion for the first stage of it. Mind you as well that these Metro Buses for the same capacity of a tram needs a lot more maintaining and double the driving staff. Which will result in higher cost over time. With the upfront cost being roughly equal again in terms of total passenger numbers. G:Link itself may have less capacity in terms of passengers per hour, but this is also just one tram line. The Metro is offering two lines, all though one being a lot shorter.
And it is important to note that the original 1 billion figure for the main part of the busway was mostly built on nothing, while G:Link was built through heavily built up areas. The same result can be seen with the busways too, that the sections they were build through that had a lot of development around it drove up the costs a lot. With the section between the gabba and cooparoo alone costing 722 million.
Overall it isn't a cost effective alternative to light rail. And it doesn't really offer a better service. And The Metro is also another 350 million dollars cheaper because they cut out a major part of it. Which would of put the total cost up to 4.55 billion. And even then after all of this time nearly 10 years in the making, only a percentage of the network can be used. Meaning only in peak times will the metro be able to operate at every 5 minutes per line, and likely go to 10 minutes off peak. Which would now make it have just as much capacity as the G:Link tram. The Metro will see a double in frequency at least in the inner city part during the section stage, however that is because they want to introduce 2 new lines. G:Link itself is just expanding the lines they already have.
1.4 billion dollars alone with the very little infrastructure built, and 4.2 in total. And if the busways were to be built today, they likely would of been a lot more expensive. So yeah in conclusion, no The Metro is not cheaper. It is also worse for the environment due to its use of lithium ion batteries. And the Metro itself is not compatible for pedestrian environments.
Trams and these new buses have strong suits in some areas, so instead of trying to use them replace each other. Just apply them to where they work best.
Agree with you on making Metro driverless.
We did not settle on a Metro. We settled on a really good bus. Which I am excited to use in the very near future.
It’s disingenuous to call it something it isn’t because it makes the very needed Metro (underground rapid rail system) that much more difficult build.
It's good to have a Brisbane focused channel. Videos are well presented and high quality explainer style videos. Well done!
Regarding politics:
Queensland needs a central public transit infrastructure planning agency.
Having BCC and state governments arguing and competing spending on which parties are in power is a colossal waste of time.
Ideally, the Brisbane “metro”would’ve been a real metro like Sydney’s: tracks, automation and immense capacity.
The lack of central planning is why we’ve ended up with a stop-gap measure in the form of these double articulated buses.
This “metro” is absolutely an improvement on current service (BCC should be commended on delivering it), but I fear it will reach capacity much faster than predicted given the growth of SEQ.
We need something like perths metro net or Victoria’s big build. And scrap translink and private companies and QR. make a new agency for all of them.
Queensland HAS a mass transport planning agency.
But the problem is, rather than catering to that, the Brisbane City Council wants to have a pi55ing contest with it, and market that IT is the one fixing the problem by mislabelling things or running services which they can limit to within their council area.
The problem is that the council has almost a billion to throw around on infrastructure and has budgeted $541 Million for 2024-2025 for "public transport improvements" alone. But that's not real, there's a whole heap of shonky accounting practices involved. BCC is engaged in a shell game with that money. (There's 350 Million in "returned assets" just in 2024-25, btw).
Of course, the OTHER big councils, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay, Logan, Ipswich all have fairly substantial budgets (like the same kind of budgets as the smaller states) to throw around too and they're not happy with central planning either, for the same political and self promotional reasons. In fact, many of said councils have been overthrown due to corruption.
You won't fix the problem when you've got councils building vanity projects that don't add to the whole.
We'll likely see the Gold Coast Tram get to Gold Coast Airport before heavy rail does. That'll probably add an extra hour of travel time for an airport to airport link because of an interchange at Helensvale with a slow tram. Oh, and the extra interchange at Roma Street due to the design of cross river rail II (the sequel).
You mean an over hyped bendy bus is here! Hallelujah!
Bro can’t resist trashing on Miles
This channel is basically paid for by the LNP.
@@MICMON At least he used to try and pretend to be a bit impartial, not being drawn into... whatever this ridiculous rant was that he endeavoured upon. Even acknowledging that the LNP council and state parties were disinclined to support 50c fares would have at least gone some way to showing that he had some atom of credibility.
@@THOOODAI Ironically, his dream of an LNP-LNP dream duo that will bring a Metro expansion north will be confronted with the reality that it was the LNP that cancelled the northern busway expansion.
@@krushingkobra I'm sure if the LNP cancelled the metro extensions, this guy would just say "Finally we have a fiscally responsible premier, not wasting our money on frivolous metros".
Miles has certainly given me a lot of ammo. Labor have been in charge for 3 terms and still no credible policy. Loved stealing the Lord Mayor's homework though. Time for change.
I love how that councilor is excited about the Next Stop screen (I'm guessing this was so he could segue into associating the project with Bluey) when the best thing about the Metro is the service frequency. No one wants to wait 30 minutes to an hour for the next service. 15 minutes should be the maximum. If the only way to get this for Public transport is via this metro then I guess I'm all for it. Close some car lanes and roll it out Brisbane wide, ASAP.
Never going to happen. Queensland is broke.
My wife is a bus user - she was excited about the next stop screen when I showed her the video! Haha
Mel is at his best when discussion infrastructure, you can see the passion!
Metro expansion thoughts:
1) M2 extension north *must* go via the Prince Charles hospital
2) M3 extension east is a no-brainer (including Mel’s plan!)
3) M4 extension to the airport is dubious at best:
-there’s already train to the airport (airtrain deal expires 2036 or could be bought out)
-the other alignment would replace the doomben line?? What a waste! Just duplicate the donne line tracks and extend it to Hamilton!
4) I’d like to see metro extend west, to Indooroopilly and beyond. Maybe even add a UQlakes->Toowong->Roma loop
Thanks for the comments @krushingkobra !
It’s a FKN bus. Why can’t Brisbane just be proud of having a good bus service and stop trying to label it a Metro? It’s a bus.
Stfu u don’t understand anything
Unfortunately BCC is focused more on PR than fixing real problems.
They could have introduced this service a few years ago with regular buses. They have built no new infrastructure as part of this project.
@@pabichpawelThis. This is why I don’t like this “metro”. It’s literally just running on the current south eastern busway
A metro is mass transit for a metro areas. This is a metro just because the only way to provide this previously was trains doesn't mean that is what it should be. Why are people so emotional about this? This is the Brisbane metro, it will be amazing.
Because it’s a bus that’s running on the bus network
I'm proud that Brisbane has scaled up an already existing technology which actually benefits the city. The route to Carseldine will be a game changer because it has the potential to reduce traffic on Gympie Road
I doubt this can be achieved with the current BCC. They haven’t released any plans how they plan to do this without metro, sorry buses, stopping at the traffic lights every 200m.
@@pabichpawel It will not happen because the state is broke. 50 cent fares are going to end.
With risk comes reward.
I really enjoy seeing risk takers in Australia delivering a well executed infrastructure project.
I think this is amazing and look forward to watching it develop
Can you explain what risk they’ve taken? They haven’t build any new infrastructure as part of this project.
100% agree with you. Big risk and I think its going to pay off.
Hope it extends to Springwood.
well the busway extension down springwood looking good. My bus goes past rochedale stop everyday
The extension to Springwood would by far be the easiest to implement. Once the busway is built to Springwood, you just need to run the Metro 1 route an extra 10 minutes down the road and back.
Rochedale is already completed just not in operation and they are at least half way to Springwood. I would assume complete mid next year.
Well, we all know now that you're aligned with the LNP
Now go back and watch his videos and see the subtle digs at Labor. Not to mention the softball Dutton interview.
By golly - I know he is a rich, middle-aged, property developer and so was probably granted an honourary LNP membership, but he really sliced any atom of credibility he had by letting half of his video become a one-sided political rant.
If he even for a second pretended to have some sort of credibility by trying to interview Miles or acknowledging that the 50c fares that he is heaping praise on was a Labor initiative that his adored LNP local and state parties fiercely opposed, then I might give him some benefit of the doubt. But gosh... it won't be long now before he is running for his electorate as an LNP member at this rate.
Miles is from the Labor far-left and my political views certainly down align with that. I consider myself a right leaning moderate.
@@THOOODAI Appreciate your long term viewership.
@@PyroManZII I've tried to get plenty of Labor people on the channel, I even donated $3k to Labor's campaign this election to try show some goodwill to get an interview. Reckon I got a return phone call? Zero.
The Brisbane Metro will be a great way to get around the Brisbane City District. Personally I never really liked taking buses but the Metro will change my overall opinion of buses
It will not. The reason Brisbane is so poorly connected by public transport is the fact that the BCC has the surface area of greater London and one 1/10 of its population. This doesn't even include Logan, Ipswich, the Redlands, Moreton Bay council and never mind the Gold and Sunshine coast areas.
I think it’s a great addition to Brisbane’s public transit. It’s similar to the system that Malmö, Sweden has had for 10 years now and they are still building out their system
A couple of points. This Hess model bus has been around for about 20 years now. Bi-articulated buses are nothing new. Secondly, you get what you pay for in capacity. This might be cheap and light rail and rail cost more, but this has a fraction of the capacity. The Brisbane Metro has only about 33% more capacity than the 333 conventional articulated bus service to Bondi in Sydney and only 25% of the capacity of the SE light rail in Sydney. It has only 10% of the design capacity of the real Metro in Sydney. For a large and growing city like Brisbane, this is simply not enough capacity. Brisbane needs rail and light rail.
BCC has a $4b pa budget. They'd need significant State funding to do anything greater than what they have delivered - which they haven't had.
I really don't understand it. It's just two routes. How does that help the rest of the network? Looks like it's all about going to different universities which is fine. But how does it help me when my bus finishes like 10:00 at night.
Gold Coast light rail 🚈 is still the best in Queensland
Brisbane needs a light rail system for outer suburbs like Logan and Springwood that'll connect eastwards to Richlands and Inala and eventually towards Springfield. Right now it takes over an hour by bus and multiple change overs to go between these areas
There wouldn't be enough demand for east-west transport to support light rail. Better bus connections would be more achieveable.
@@nathanmurray The areas along Gympie road are one of the most populated areas in Brisbane. Are you saying that a new train line along Gympie Road (e.g. in the new tunnel) would not have enough demand?
@nathanmurray expanding transport (like a light rail) towards Springfield would make living away from the city more preferable and building homes too. Also building Olympic venues outwards in Springfield that involves nature activities would help take congestion away from the focus of the City alone during that period.
@@pabichpawel my reply was directed at the suggestion of Light Rail from Logan/Springwood to Inala/Richlands/Springfield. Gympie Road was not mentioned.
With the state of the traffic we definitely need better public transport and this seems like a good solution. Bigger picture, I can see it reaching the Gold Coast.
Would love to see it expand to all of SEQ.
The widening of the Centenary Motorway should be for a busway, with Metros servicing suburbs like Jindalee, Mt Ommaney, Inala and Forest Lake and another line servicing Sunnybank, Sunnybank Hills, Algester and Browns Plains. Another route servicing the Waterworks Rd corridor and another out along Old Northern Rd. These western parts of Brisbane aren’t serviced much by rail and bus and road routes are already at capacity.
More mini orbital and east to west transit links, as well as upgrades to the 598/599 would help as well. A rail link from Beenleigh Ipswich via the Logan Motorway corridor would link Ipswich to the Gold Coast and provide rail services to suburbs along that route
There is already the Tennyson corridor, connecting Corinda and Yeronga, it just needs to be upgraded.
makes sense, one thing that Queensland doesn’t lack is land space. There’s no need to bury transport underground like densely populated cities do. The fleet can be upgraded in the future for driverless operation. The cost saving from digging tunnels and building massive underground stations can be deployed towards building solar farms to lower cost of transport even further.
I really hope they dont waste money on a metro to Airport/Hamilton (M4) The airport line services the airport wonderfully and the current Domben line whilst heavy rail dosen't make a lot of sense it is already built and running 3 car trains with small track and station upgrades are likely cheaper than trying to replace it with a busway.
this is an electric bus running on an existing busway for 1.5 billion. I really hope the new LNP state is more imaginative than their LNP council brethren.
I spotted you at the LNP HQ during Crisafullis victory speech, Mel! 😜
This video was going so well, until old mate started talking about Crisifulofit, Crisifulofit is NO FRIEND to public transport, he and Newman were the ones who cut funding and jobs to our heavy rail, we lost hundreds of drivers and guards because of them, and labor had to fast track hiring and training to get drivers and guards to service the new line that was just being completed, the redcliffe peninsula line, which opened before that recruiting and training could be done, resulting in service cuts across ALL other lines. Of course Crisifulofit will say the metro bus is a great idea, it's from his LNP mate.
Yeah he was rather silent on his role in supporting Newman in gutting the Eastern and Northern busways a decade ago wasn't he? Suddenly had a turn of faith now? LNP was even against 50c fares and has refused to promise to make it permanent...
M4 Option 2 obviously!
It’s a no brainer: a tram-like service with all of the benefits but crucially without the need to lay rail lines and all that entails in extra costs, time , blowouts etc. Just head south and take a look how long it’s taking to deliver c. 7 extra KM’s of track on the GC.
100% agree with you, Jeremy. A lot easier, less disruption to services, and more affordable.
It would be great to see a video which challenges the constant expansion of our suburbs through the conversion of bushland into residential zoning, instead of deliberate zoning efforts to build greater density within our existing footprint. And more diversity of high density, not just high rise apartments. Unfortunately investment into light rail or subway systems just don’t make sense when we have so much urban sprawl.
Route 169 is obviously just the trial route. M1 & M2 won’t commence until the new year. We really need to extend it to Bracken ridge via Chermside (could use exsisting bus lanes and a new busway as part of the Gympie road tunnel) would be nice to have the great circle line bus become a metro.
A dedicated infrastrcure in the new tunnel would be amazing.
@@pabichpawel its a no brainer. We can do it like what we did in the Airportlink project
@@electro_sykes well not for our politicians, when I went to the community consulations re the new tunnel, the team told me that they are NOT looking at anything else than vehicle traffic.
@@pabichpawel we can change that
@@electro_sykesgood luck with that with a Tory state government now depressingly in charge.
M4 option 1 sounds better but I would include option 2 in your eastern ring route idea but use the Gateway Bridge instead of building a new bridge. my $0.02 from a non Qld resident.
With the possible M4 extension, I reckon they should do both routes because you could see a need for having 10
express routes from the airport because of the extra passengers from the airport.
I prefer Steven miles.
Would love to see a couple of expansion lines to service Brisbane's Westside, perhaps one to Springfield, and the other to Samford, with both heading into Roma Street. It seems the Western Suburbs are always forgotten.
Regardless of the political party in power it’s good to see action towards progressive improvement in public transport,
However strong consideration and implementation should be also focused on satellite cities to Brisbane , such as Ipswich Toowoomba and the areas between these two city’s, as the expansion of the capital progresses these areas have already shown to be undergoing population growth through urbanisation. Perhaps a similar template could be implemented in conjunction with the inland rail project once construction finally commences for the Queensland stage of this project , share the love to some other thriving areas outside of Brisbane away from the typical focus on the sunshine or Gold Coast focus.
Summary:
* $1 billion to buy new electric bues and build their charging infrastrucuture
* 8 years , and *counting* to deliver two lines that use existing infrastructure
* Line extensions, that are no more than dots on a map because there have been no details released. How they are going to get to Carseldine without stopping every 200m at the traffic lights on Gympie road.
We can do better, much better.
great points, also is this very long bus (BERT) authorised to be on public roads, cause i know B double trucks are not allowed.
@@cpbricks927 They are only allowed on Public Roads for testing purposes otherwise they are only allowed to run on the Busways
Maybe they can get a route to the Olympic stadium at QEII, I mean the Gabba, sorry Suncorp, oh hang Vic Park. Hamilton?
If Miles gets back in we'll all have to walk to Toowoomba for the opening ceremony!
@@michaelstewart6909 Where will the stadium be if the other guy gets in? He has somehow promised no new stadiums, and not using the Gabba or QSAC... so what remaining oval-shaped stadiums are left? Maybe Allan Border Oval will host the opening ceremony in front of 2000 people? Perhaps that WAFL stadium in Springfield?
@@PyroManZII there's always the show grounds! I have no idea why they took the Olympics without a decent plan for a new stadium. The Gabba has been built in and not worth pursuing. I hope the new premier takes the Vic Park option, whatever his name is.
@@michaelstewart6909 I just don't see why we would spend billions of dollars to build a gigantic stadium on one of the few large green reserves we have left for the people of Brisbane? Neither the cricket nor AFL is ever going to fill it up unless the Lions win the next 8 grand finals in a row. This is probably why the LNP leader has promised 'no new stadiums'.
I would say that the Gabba rework to bring it up to standard without adding much additional capacity is the best, with QSAC also just needing a small investment to return it to 45,000 capacity for the Olympics. It saves us the money to build important things (like busway extensions). I would much rather our Olympic legacy was high quality public transportation than a stadium with higher capacity.
@@michaelstewart6909Victoria Park is held in trust as public open space - it can’t be used to build a stadium or anything else.
It’s the moment for Brisbane City Council are preparing up a new plan. Today, it’s FINALLY HERE!
Yes, extend it to all of south east. I’d love to see a scaled back version for Toowoomba.
So buses?
@@chrisschneider7609 yes, metro bus.
Despite all the hype it is just over (maybe) two buses, and not much bigger than an existing "bendy bus". It's "bums on seats" that has to be considered before flashy looks and more complications . A good subway wins every time when it comes to bulk people moving
As long as it leads into a driverless metro like Sydney. Now that would leave Melbourne in the dust.
Is there a dedicated road needed for this or does it run on the existing road?
They run exclusively on the existing Busway.
Does the plans for M4 mean the Doomben rail line will be dismantled
For the expansion plan, is the M4 option 2 going to replace the existing Doomben train line?
It appears so, and that is a terrible idea!
@@nathanmurray I would not be surprised. In this way BCC wouldn't have to build a new infrastructure and still can claim X kms of "new" metro line.
IMO it makes far more sense to improve services on the Airport line then waste money sending the "Metro" to the airport
They aren’t a trackless tram. That’s a different system.
Big Oil was it? the Highway Construction Lobby?
Way back there were plans for a proper underground true metro system.
Now they've done it they should expand it. But what happens when an old diesel bus breaks down on the busway? Whats metro do then?
If they extend to careseldine, they'll need to significantly upgrade gympie road or go to a tunnel system with defacto undergroud stations like lutwyche. Good luck
If a bus breaks down on the busway, the Metro can just go around it - no tracks or overhead poles to worry about.
@@MelPikos yeah they can do that with the current buses but first they have to get a safety officer there to route traffic safely. It's not an instant process and can cause major delays especially at peak time. I'm for metro but it's not perfect.
Despite some rumours going around (as part of these proposed Brisbane Metro extension projects), that they never cease dedicated rail passenger services on the Eagle Junction to Doomben branch line.
Doomben line would make a nice busway to Hamilton from the exsisting busway at Lutwyche. All it requires really is a busway tunnel from Lutwyche to Eagle farm.
@@electro_sykes Add a bridge across to Bulimba and you have yourself a nifty mass transit route.
@@electro_sykesthen rebuild the rail branch from from the Doomben line to Hamilton and duplicate it. People prefer trains and trams over buses.
@@PyroManZII why not use the gateway bridge
Terribly unimaginative. We really need something more than a bendy bus. Two true metro lines - high-frequency heavy rail - are needed, from Indooroopilly to Hamilton via St Lucia, and Chermside to the south-east. The busway "metro" is useless. It doesn't expand the network at all and won't meet future demand.
So it's basically an electric bus ?
God, as someone who has lived in Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Tweed…. Across this country, I’ve never seen such a pathetic “project”… this is a bus and a national embarrassment.
Capable route would be easy, just use the middle space on old cleveland road.
I see two oversights.... First, why extensions not extended out west to serve PT starved suburbs of Kenmore & Moggill? And secondly, Carseldine shiuldnt be terminus - extend to Sandgate. Same for Springwood to end at Loganholme
Speaking of Kedron-Carseldine leg, if tunnel is to happen - the Metro stations needs to be injected & have their priority corridors.
Orbit lines are a must, modernize the 598/599 should be considered too
Wonder Brisbane would convert Doomben line to bus network ???
598/599 modernizing concept ideas:
1. The gap/Kepperra green tunnel for buses & cyclists & pedestrains
2. Figtree to Corinda green bridge
3. Dfo interchange access
Etc
It’s illegal to fund public transport for the western suburbs lol
Would be down to the ease of implementation. Gympie Rd and Old Cleveland Rd's are both 3/4 lanes wide with a parking lane, so can easily accommodate bus lanes.
Moggill Rd does not have the ability to accommodate a bus lane without taking out a traffic lane or expensive widening works with likely land acquisition required.
TMR are looking at extending the busway to Loganholme in conjunction with the M1 widening, so extension of the Metro service however, remember these are BCC owned vehicles, having them travel into the depths of another council area may not be supported
The Metro requires busways to run, and a busway extension is currently under construction to Springwood only. While further extension to Loganholme is in planning, it is a fair way off yet (and may not actually run all the way to the station due to issues with the local road network around the Hyperdome).
@@nathanmurray ah yea the roads ard logan hyperdrone is a clusterfuck, bikeways such a mazefest there 😭
Very tactical Melanie
Your LNP adoration was a bit over the top…
Haha I'll try tone it down, I was excited for a great project that has had zero support from the State until it was time to cut a ribbon and pretend to take some credit for it.
@@MelPikosthe state did provide some funding but it’s an idiotic project. It’s literally slower than a regular bus running on established bus routes. How’s that an improvement?
So it's basically a modified bus but it serves its purpose.
In my opinion, I think both options to the airport should be kept, as you would have lots of passengers along both routes.
Pinkenba and Myrtletown residents do not get regular bus service which is why that option should be kept as well as the airport route through the DFO
Keep posting great informative videos, I have become a huge fan of your channel
Thank you, appreciate the support
The problem is when Steven Miles is out and we lose 50c public transport fares... Ridership will probably reduce again
Crisafulli has committed to continuing 50c Fares.
@nathanmurray he committed to keeping the trial running, but not continuing it after the trial.
@@jaxtar923 no, he has committed to keeping it indefinitely. One of his "first 100 Days" commitments is "DIRECT Departments to work on making 50 cent public transport fares permanent"
@@jaxtar923 no, Crisafulli has committed to making 50c fares permanent. It features in his first 100 days list.
@@nathanmurray damn that's actually not too bad then, I wonder where the funding will come from. Can you link the list so I can see the other things?
Bus-metro. It is something new and different from metro or light rail. They have separate road from other traffic.
What about wheelchair accessibility
People opposed the Gold Coast light rail. Said it would be a failure, people wouldn’t use it, it would crash property values along the route.
Literally the exact opposite turned out to be true, in fact it was successful far and away beyond expectations.
This idiotic slow bespoke electric bus is just another example of the LNP pi55ing away our money on vanity projects which add nothing to the public transport needs of the city.
The busway network, built by the Qld State Labor government was designed from the outset to be upgraded to light rail which is a real high capacity transport solution. The LNP have deliberately sabotaged Brisbane’s future public transport infrastructure for their own nefarious purposes. And then Qlders were stupid enough to fall for idiotic scare campaigns and vote the LNP into state government 🤦🏽
Within a year they’ll realise (for newbies to the state) or remember (for the rest) why we don’t elect Tory governments in this state - they’re always hopeless, always vindictive, always corrupt.
So…. A big bus that does nothing to help people who dont ha e access to decent pulbkic transport and only services the same areas already well services by busways?
Nothing for the West?
How about a fleet of minibuses continually running laps of outer suburbs to get people from their local areas to where these busways or train stations exist? Lack of access to ENDPOiNT stops lots of people from using PT
Make a video of the Australian Ghost Shark.
This one is on my list!
To be honest, the electric extended banana bus is doing very little to add to capacity on these routes. The $1 billion price tag seems pretty hefty given no track was laid. This system was advertised as ready to go on existing infrastructure. At best it's an interim step to light rail.
The only notable piece of infrastructure that the metro is adding is the Adelaide Street Tunnel
It's great but we will need light rail/ more heavy rail
it is a bus stop sugarcoating it
Haha its a good looking bus though!
@@MelPikosslower than a regular bus and just as uncomfortable, at an astronomical cost. Slow clap.
Quality content, as usual. But the political bias is really lathered on here. Come on mate, this can be better. You will undoubtedly paint yourself into corner. Just some feedback, your content is solid without the fringe rubbish. Leave it out.
I enjoyed the video explanation of the Metro, however you should keep your political opinions to yourself and not include them in the discussion as it detracts from all the information you provided. Otherwise very interesting. Would think Capalaba link could circle back to Wynnum and then over the gateway to Hamilton Ascot area and back to the city.
My channel, my opinions. But appreciate you watching and commenting.
@@MelPikosif you support the LNP then you’re corrupt and on the gravy train. No one should take your channel seriously except as seriously bad Tory propaganda.
Surely the metro would have stops at key train stations..
Metro Routes 1 & 2 will both stop at Buranda, South Bank, Cultural Centre and Roma Street, with Metro 2 also servicing Boggo Road.
@@nathanmurraysooooo, it’s a bus on an already long established busway. How innovative. 🤦🏽
Books 📚 heaps of books, you need to read .. thry are not comments they are books. I never seen comments like that.
How about high speed rail to Toowoomba and Eagle Farm. A bus metro…😅 take a trip to China and see how proper infrastructure is built.
With so many routes the central section will become a bottleneck
Skmwkekwkeek😂❤😂 0:11
Converting the Doomben line to a Metro bus is not the right move, too many people like myself take buses and scooters to get to Eagle Farm etc...
i'm just here for tha upset "this is a bus" comments...
It’s worse than a bus, it’s actually slower.
The expansion can't be on the road. Lets keep it off the road.
It’s worse than regular bus because it’s narrower and SLOWER. 🤦🏽
Labour is loyal to their party over anything else. Quite a shame.
Brissie and surrounds need all the transport options we can get. Metro delivers on that. One of the few good uses of my money by the council.
It needs to expand heaps and they need to do it heaps fast to keep up. After that let's get a proper underground. And in my perfect world roads are not ignored either.
Mate could you please change the name of your channel to "Talking Tactics" only! we are not interested in your name.
Unfortunately Talking Tactics was taken, so we added "with Mel Pikos".
Another transport project where the western suburbs miss out. Could have extended this to Toowong or Indoorpilly. So much potential wasted on this. We haven't got much out here, just two train lines running off peak of 30 mins each line and peak time 12 mins.
The whole thing is an LNP vanity project to give the appearance of doing something whilst siphoning millions to their mates.
Another BILLION dollars to improve the services of areas that already have good access to public transport - exactly like Cross River Rail. It is not going to make the morning and afternoon commutes on ANY major thoroughfare in and out of the city any different at all. Heaven forbid any of them use an ounce of vision to open up a NEW transport corridor rather than gold plate the existing ones. Yes, Kudos all round ... I'll see the rest of you (the overwhelming majority) in tomorrow's wall-to-wall traffic ... and the day after that ... and the day after that ... etc
Cross river rail is needed because the current central station and river crossing are at capacity. Cross river rail will double capacity allowing us to cater for future suburban lines
@@electro_sykes Which new suburban lines?? The ones we've been hearing about since the 1970's?? Or are these new mythical lines we'll hear about for the next 50 years? The fact is - they have ZERO plans to lay a single piece of new track anywhere not on the existing lines. They have ZERO plans to open any new stations anywhere. They have ZERO plans to extend the current 100 year old rail network that was built for a completely different Brisbane.
This is the tyranny of infrastructure. Even with express running, the demand is going to be higher in the inner city so there will be more subsidisation of infrastructure to already wealthy suburbs.
So the people living in Kedron and Toowong and the like get increased service frequency with 50 cent fares, while those in Browns Plains or Deception bay get $200 per week fuel and toll bills.
@@OldFellaDaveno, the freight/interstate line through Greenbank is to be dual gauged with a new Line built to Beaudesert, extension to the Gold Coast airport, the new Sunshine Coast line currently under development.
LNP lover much... what a joke. Do you work for LNP?
Given BCC LNP has been in power for 20 years, I'd say majority of Brisbane loves them too.
@@MelPikosno, the ALP are just sh1thouse at running effective campaigns. I HATE the LNP with a passion. If you were a bit older and wiser and had grown up under the corrupt National Party, you’d hate them too. But I guess you’re on the take.
should have been a tram. that councilor ryan is a joke - they did use trams because they wanted to be cheap to spend more money on roads
LOL x 10 times 😹 what a joke ! Big flop!
It shouldn't be called the Brisbane Metro, it be called the South Brisbane Metro because as always the Northside is neglected by council
If you think the Northside is neglected you should visit the western suburbs to see neglect on a whole new level!
Where is the RBWH again?
@@chrisschneider7609 so if you think a line finishing at Herston is servicing the Northside then you have just outed yourself as a complete idiot
@@chrisschneider7609 up jimbos ass apparently
Nothing extending to the west! Shame
I asked the question, apparently the reason is because of the existing train line out at Indooroopilly.
@@MelPikosso a complete nonsense answer which you accepted with question.
I think get rid of the rail network and put buses in. Far more adaptable and we can finally have two lanes.... And it will be far quieter. This is the future of the Metro around the world.
You would need 10 metro vehicles with 10 drivers just to carry the passenger load of a single train. That's why it will never happen.
@@nathanmurray lets do your math.... Trains leave every 30 minutes... bus will leave every 5 minute... that 6 buses for every train with capacity planned for every 3 minutes which would be.... 10 buses for every train.... Unlike the train network which has some serious bottle necking throughout the network the bus net work on has bottleneck in town. They can build capacity by simply increasing the stations in town. and removing the silly busses that go through the busway and cross it. The plan is to have most buses on the Bus way only for the busway. This will allow a bus to turn up every minute going where you want it to and the sub bus route will run more regularly supporting the busway... It's a huge win. If a bus turns up every 5 minutes even that is a HUGE step forward for public transport. It means time tables are irrelevant, FAR more important that how many they hold actually.
Also Note Capacity of train 500 (according to QRail) Capacity of Metro Bus 150. So Actually more than 6 metros per hours and you have more capacity. So a bus every 5 minutes is 12 buses or 7 more buses than the capacity of the train for the same time period.
@@chrisschneider7609 there are a few errors in your comment. Lets start with train capacity - the Department of Transport and Main Roads lists the total capacity of the newest trains in the fleet (NGR) as 946, almost double your figure - 420 seated and 526 standing.
Next we have train frequency. Yes, from some stations trains are only every 30 minutes. But on across large sections of the network - like Petrie to Darra or Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains, trains leave every 15 minutes. With upcoming projects like Gold Coast to Logan Faster Rail, the entirety of the Beenleigh and Gold Coast lines are intended to go to 15 minute frequency each.
Its a bus its a damn bus
Over hyped bus 😂😂😂