Alberta couple battling CRA after $14K in COVID benefits gets clawed back
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- An Alberta couple is in a big battle with the Canada Revenue Agency after receiving a repayment bill for benefits paid during COVID-19.
Ron and Daria Roffel told Global News they don’t believe they should have to pay back the $14,000 the CRA says is owed, which was given to them via the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB).
Tomasia DaSilva reports.
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If they weren't entitled to the money, then they should pay it back. No sympathy from me...those dollars that they received came (partially) from my wallet. There is absolutely no such thing as free government money, it's all taxpayer funded.
If they came partially from your wallet why do you care if they are in government pocket or these poor people, you should side with people not with stupid governments who created virus and these mess.
As long there is people like you governments will have power.
The issue is some people are being told to pay it back even when they did qualify and now the government won't do anything to fix their screw ups
She was over the threshold. Do you really think CRA will forget? They go after the average citizen everyday because we can’t afford lawyers. But, she wasn’t entitled so, you have to pay it back.
Those of us running businesses under an incorporation were forced to shut down for 5 months while still paying rent and salaries yet there was no equivalent "CERB" option to cover expenses. That cost me $14K/mo for 5 months out of savings so I do not feel a tremendous amount of pity for anyone who tried to get more than their share. Anyone offering to top up my $70K loss?
I don't understand why we should feel bad for her?? She was making over the threshold. Most people who made over the threshold did not even apply for CERB because well they were not eligible. She used the money she was not entitled to 4 years ago and now is mad why she has to pay back??? She is lucky she wasn't fined.
Well next time I remember to apply for any free money the government gives whether I am eligible or not because it seems that's how people live, eat their cake and have it too
totally agree with you. she didn't deserve it, and still got it, and now she crying about it
Every Canadian had the same set of rules,she is being held accountable for her greedy decision,now just pay your bill.
What about people like me who didn't make anything we were completely laid off couldn't get on EI or anything had to use it we have to pay it back the Trudeau government is coming after everybody
Plus even the average earner had t pay tax on money. These 2 are crazy.
She was making just over $1000. Let's say that was $1200. $200 over the threshold would be a reasonable clawback making what she owed $1400 instead of $14000.
Also to the why should you care about a family potentially losing their house? If don't have empathy, unhomed people cost significantly more money for the government than $2000 a month.
zero sympathy. It's called FRAUD.
They took money that they were not entitled to. Sorry but boo hoo.
FAFO. She should have read and obeyed the rules instead of trying to collect free money she didn't qualify for.
Lady my god. Boo hoo PAY IT BACK YOU DIDNT QUALIFY.
make a payment plan the Canada tax service will help. I know it. They were very kind to my friend when it happened to him.
Everyone else had to pay it back
Too bad…they never qualified for the benefits. Sooooo….guess what?
@Theguys1 so the benefits shouldn't have been paid to begin with.
Yet they can afford to hoard food in their pantry
I'm gonna say what we all think. She sure isn't starving so feeding themselves was never a struggle.
Stupid is not a defense.
They shouldn't have cheated. During the pandemic, I never took any money from the government and I was living in poverty.
She did not cheat. There was no threshold at the onset. That rule came later.
What a scam but yet they gave immigrants money and they didn't have to pay it back
@@user-nv8uz2iu8e Completely false...Check your sources.
@@fabienneisore7831 Pretty sure the threshold was because of the Cons crying as well. Really that money should just be forget and forgive and that should be investigating the actual fraud that happened with Covid relief instead of pestering private citizens
They should have changed their names to Zelensky and gotten Billions of Tax payer dollars that won't ever be repaid back.
'Spending only on staples', 'just making due', they say; 8 boxes of pop-tarts on the counter, a full pantry, a liquor store above the cabinets.
There's lots of ways to pay off that bill.Skip breakfast ,eat cereal for dinner, stop eating meat, cancell disney+, rent that extra room out to a " newcomer " .
I applied for it one time. I really wanted to collect it a second time but was called back to work. i reread all the rules and conditions and figured out i would be making about 100 dollars too much to collect it. So i didnt collect it. People dont read the fine print.
She cheated and didn't pay attention to the rules, don't feel bit sorry for her. Don't cheat......pay back. So sick of whiners and crybabies.
what difference does it really make when they are just printing the value right out of our currency ?
Emergency funds should not need to be paid back. CRA needs to work on making a fool proof method of qualifications so people who apply don't need to read the small print. Now they spend millions trying to get emergency funds back. Emergency funds are not meant to be given back. Swallow the loss and leave tax payers alone. They had years to come up with these emergency benefit plans incase we needed it at some point - Do your job.
So when is the government going to pay back our billions ?
@bernadettezelenski3491 The hell are you talking about? Did you watch the video? She was not entitled to the benefit.
@bernadettezelenski3491 the taxpayers are the ones who will have to flip the bill buddy. the more people do stuff like this. eventually taxes have to go up to cover it
What she did that was dumb was not respecting the rules.
Will this society follow the leader off a cliff in the effort to respect the rules... seems like thats whats happening.
CRA and lockdown were government made stupid rules . Rich got richer and average Canadian was given a few pennies to shut up !
This wacko stole my taxes she better pay at back
The government steals tens of millions in taxes and gives it to their friends through gov contracts, and nobody cares, but this lady is the bad guy?
So did our government when it steals taxpayer money to prop up big corporations and send money to warmongering countries like Ukraine and Israel. Canada needs to mind its own business and mend its own people.
100% agree!
@@kylebyobirtch3998
Your government wastes your tax money all the time, and this is what you get upset about?
Please pay back, the CRA will find ways to get all of it BACK. 🎉
Rules are rules.
Every Canadian had the same rules as the Roffels.
Now be accountable and pay back what you didn’t deserve.
Theres also rules about crossing the border illegally too. And we are giving everyone of them 81,000 per year. And you are worried about 14,000? smh .
They cheated the system I don't really feel bad.
The rules around the system at that time were not well defined and the government was way too loose in that regard.
@layne4376 nah they were well defined it was the payback part that wasn't. Like who would have to pay back and when. The loaning part was strict rules but their mistake was not fully checking the applications BEFORE handing out the $ . They screwed disabled people in this regard too. They gave them an extra $300. Which actually for the first time in a very long time allowed them to both pay bills and rent AND eat for the whole month. Then they took it all back. Then gave half back bc the rate for disability haven't been raised in YEARS . and it no longer meets the cost of living. Then right after that they raised the cost of living so much that sick ppl are now being forced to starve. Tell me how someone is supposed to survive on 1500 a month. But instead trudumbs response. Well here is $200 . U get next year. . And by then cost of living gone way up and left them screwed all over again...those are the ppl I feel sorry for. Same issue with our seniors left on govt pensions. Especially someone who has had life Long health issues on top of that.
Greedy people lured by the promise of "free money". Because my Canada Pension for Old Age was a little more than $1,000 per month, I did not apply in case my Canada Pension was considered as earnings. No regrets. I know how to make stone soup. Greedy people need to be held accountable, and pay back what was not theirs to take. And they have the gall to show their faces and cry like victims when they are caught misappropriating public funds. I hope they are charged for the compounding interest since 2020.
Has the government EVER given money away gor free?
Government has no money. It's TAXPAYER money.
It's like a mouse seeing free food but it doesn't understand why it's free until the cage door shuts and it realizes it's trapped
@@DL-ds7xpwell said
And the Government understood this before hand and knew human nature. It was actually by design and part of a broader plan. @@DL-ds7xp
Never heard of subsidies or what?
sorry, but I don't pay taxes so people can take advantage of programs. don't feel sorry at all
Obviously they have piled up tons of food in their storage.
I noticed that too. So much food in the pantry. Nice large house too.
Unfortunately alot of it's garbage like cheerios, processed cereals and canned sugary carb foods. No wonder they got health probs.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes 😂
Go after more people. She owes the money. Its not free money.
The bulk of the actual fraud was from international students who took it as they were told to leave, as well as government workers themselves who believe they are above laws for commoners. It's a different story for commoners who were forced into it one way or another, especially those who were told that CERB was their qualified EI cheque.
I want my tax money back...they're stealing from me if they don't.
@JessT-vg7ib Blame the guy who took your tax dollars and gave it to them. He also uses your tax dollars for lavish vacations.
Your tax money didn't pay them, so get off your high horse.
@@nhlpa17 Whose did, in the end, then?
@@nhlpa17 This money didn't fall from the heavens. It came from the government and the government took it from me. What are you talking about?
@@loudenlaffnite246 It is called math. Government revenues are not all from income tax. So when I run the math, even if I wanted to refund him, his share is less than a penny.
I expected to pay it back. It was a loan and I repaid it.
I was making $0 dollars for 3 months and told I wasn’t eligible for cerb, what a fuckup
They do arrange payment options with you. These options wouldn't have been as harsh as loosing tax-refunds, etc.
What about those who held their job's the whole time and collected, our whole block did, example, 600 thousand dollar home and they renovated their homes, new windows, doors, driveways, fences, patios, roofs, furniture,vehicles etc., they ALL upgraded their home's, and here's another example, woman on ODSP, worked under table for a lawyer, when the lockdowns came she worked from home collected ALL the benefits she could,her son moved back in and this 27 yr old NEVER held a Job and they both COLLECTED cerb, and are still frauding the taxpayers,💯🐀 SLEAZY 🐀💯
Rules are for common citizens. What happened to companies who got wage subsidies and yet they were making profits? Like car dealerships and super markets like lob laws etc.
That’s not the f ing point.. they didn’t qualify and took it anyway. But I do agree the corporate thieves should have to pay it back as well
These are the last ppl to pay it back. They should recover the billions sent to companies before they even get a letter from cra
The thresholds on revenue were so flexible if you couldn't qualify for it you needed a better accountant. You can trust Loblaws has the best.
I wonder if the cra employees are being accountable as well 🤔... ? Funtimes, never touch government 💰 🤑 💸 💲.
Well seeing as a whole bunch got fired…yes…?
They dont have to. Their pension is 70% of their highest pay in the last 3 years before they get their pension.
@@chucksurgeonertribute2113 Wrong, 70% of the last FIVE years. and no, that is not given to them, superannuation (pension) is not s gift, it is a LARGE chunk out of a paycheck. It is taxable also when you retire. Also, the health benefits are not that great (which they also pay for). Private sector work pays much better and better health and benefits.
Please dont go to the damn ER for shingles...
Not sure why he's not vaccinated against them
@@lisanevins3605 Who would trust any vaccine now
I chose not to apply, even though I qualified, because I didn’t trust the government to claw it back.
Just do what’s right and be accountable. The Canadian Govt trusted its Citizens to be forthright.People trying to pull a fast one.Taking something that isn’t rightfully yours is called STEALING🇨🇦
Taxation is theft and no better then what these people did! Maybe people should stop believing in Statism and we wouldn't have people scamming the government because there would be no government
Shouldn't have taken it if you can't pay it. She's a thief and should be charged with fraud.
She should run as a Liberal. Isn't she fully qualified now?
The rules were not complicated. It took me two minutes to determine that *nobody* in my family was eligible so *nobody* applied.
When was let go, I have applied for CERB, just received it and my employer called me back, repaid it back within a week, as I wouldn’t qualify. Mama told me, never play with the government 😊
She admitted making over the amount allowed... She broke the rules. Pay the price, so tax payers don't have to. We are all having hard times now
I qualified for this and when I read the rules decided it was not worth the headaches and what if I didn’t have the ability in a year or two to pay it back? I was 56 years old, female hairstylist anything could happen. I got laid off from my job, moved back in with my parents as a full time care giver during Covid (mom was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and passed away, dad has mobility issues) . Still living with my father( 87years old) , I am working part time and I do everything I can to make his final years as comfortable as possible(just as I did for my mother). That money would have come in handy! It would have temporarily relieved the financial burden. That being said; being 14000 dollars in debt to CRA at 59 years of age with a small retirement amount did not make sense to me and would have robbed me of the precious time I have had with my parents. The Government of Canada never gives money away…there is always consequences to your actions! Be sceptical!!!!!
Some where's there this tiny violin playing the saddest song for these two.... the max they should have gotten was 4000 each.. but he did not qualify because he's on disability.. so she knowingly ripped off the government 14000... no pitty.. get a job!
What did you think was going to happen? It’s the government.
My job was considered an essential service, so I worked right through the thick of the pandemic. Thank God, I never got sick. I was told to apply for CERB because I was scared of being so exposed to the public. But I'm so glad that I didn't apply and just kept working.
Grifters
And they're using Global News to perpetuate their grift. Going on TV to look pitiful in an attempt to legitimize your grift and not pay back the money.
During the Pandemic i worked more
I did not creative and abuse the system ..and i was entitled to CERB
but i did not take it
What about government employees that worked through pandemic got paid and collected cerb and dont have to pay back
What this couple is going through is what the Government actually wanted to happen.
What do cheezies have to do with anything? Is it slang for something?
I think she was implying that they didn't spend the money on cheezies or drugs. Either way a very odd clip to end the segment with no context haha.
So she made more, still applied and they granted it? Seems like the CRA dropped the ball
They were mass approving everyone, there was no vet process. Millions of people took CERB without being within the parameters outlined to take it. And now that the government has no money CRA is now in the process of recollecting. Problem is, of course, the damage has already been done economically - and hundreds of thousands of people wont be paying them back because they don't have the money to do so.
Like tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of homeless took CERB. They aren't getting that money back. This is partially why inflation got so out of control; mass printing money led to devaluation of it. No way to recollect means someone has to flip that bill, and it isn't going to be the poor or upper class, it will be the middle guy who will see it on increased prices of products and other taxes (carbon) for example. Also in part why drug addiction became so rampant over the last few years......
CRA Is going HARD right now on recollection - they are auditing left and right. Still can't force someone to pay who doesn't have the funds to pay - and someone has to flip that bill.
If you apply for something, and the rules are laid out, then you certify that you meet the requirements and are filing truthfully..... YOU are the problem, not CRA.
@nhlpa17 Especially when they were fast tracking everyone to get $$$ in their pockets quickly.
The only question is...did they rightfully appky for the benefit ?
Did they take money they weren't entitled too?
Anyone who didn't think they'd have to pay this back should give their head a shake. This is why I didn't take a cent.
You knew the rules but you took a lot of money from the government. Now, you have to pay it back.
It was a Canada Emergency Benefit. Either way, they should have responsibly given it out best they could in the first place. This benefit should have been given out and the door shut on it. Only a Liberal government would spend millions more over years trying to get an Emergency Benefit back. As a tax payer I'm appalled.
Can't afford to repay , sell everything and your house....jail time is needed....you won't that roof over your head anymore.
I broke my foot and applied for ei but instead got 1 Covid cheque which I had to pay back
I had to pay back, through my taxes, but still. 🤷🏼♀️
How could they have received the money in the first place?
The government told us not to leave our houses and gave us back a very small amount of our money, I will not comply! I also had toyota canada take my truck back that I personally lost at least 35 thousand dollars on, there are class action lawsuits going on now, we cannot let this happen...do not comply people!!!
You defrauded Canadian Tax payers. Zero sympathy.
Look at all that food they're hoarding though. 1:54
Remember when Justin told cra to not vet applicants? And people believed him.
Heartless
Sucks to be them . I did not take a dime of the money .
I got hit with it too, apply for EI and got CERB instead called CRA it’s a complete scam had to pay the money back even though I was told it would fall under EI benefits
I know people who have full time jobs who applied and put the money in their RRSP. I don't know how that would work unless they didn't plan on paying it back.
I know a lady who was working under the table and took home $2,800 a month and got away with getting her CERB. She never was asked to pay back any of it.
gee its like the point of getting paid under the table is so the CRA doesn't know about it
So much for the free healthcare
Health care isn't free. It's paid through taxes.
So happy I didn't get this payment!! Spent two hours on hold with CRA to check if I owed anything in fear of the systems used and mistakes.
That really was so difficult 😞
what is sad but this is what happens with this govt cra ,,,,,,this family cant afford to fight this with lawyers etc.....but if it was someone that can afford to fight it ,,,,,,,they get away with it.........i know of many people and companies that got the money and really did not need it in fact some invested it and made interest ...and yet they are let off .because they can spend the money to fight cra ,,,,,,its the little guy that always gets screwed because they cant afford to fight it.
There is no such things as free monwy from the government. She got 14,000 from curb.yet i got rejected cuz I was essential worker that got shut down after....yep oay the monwy back tou owe the government
I know another lady who collected owes $2000.
Her fridge freezer is full
Everyone wants "free" money.
......ok?????????????????????
this is news for not understanding the guide lines?????
you got disability payment & covid benefits too>? why? to play lottery?
I see these stories and think, no one is going to pity people who took tax payer money for nothing.
So many people took advantage of these payments.
All the government is doing is taking returns and gst payments.
Frankly, I am glad to see the government going after people who took these benefits. A lot 9f people are crying they thought they qualified. Either you did or you did not. It's up to you to make sure you did, if not that's on you, you got thousands for nothing.
Too bad.
Can you do a story about how I’ve waited years for the CRA to give me a refund but keeps asking for more every time I give them what they want??
FJT
Thanks Trudeau
I had shingles... who knows, might have it again. No one paid me.
They have a lot of stuff, which means they have a lot of money.
Everyone qualifies for cerb....
Give it a rest dear you got the money now you’re way overdue to pay back. You got my tax dollars and I have a problem with you and your family stealing my money.
It's because they are seniors. Trudy says seniors are taking up too much room and he hates us. He's hoping we die.
@1:56..that fridge looks very much obese..
Global lies
The issue i have is even those who did qualify hqve to pay everything back now because to many people took advantage when covid hit. I know people who did qualify and are getting screwed now. They have even showed the cra they qualified amd the cra cant even get anything right
This comment section is full of people who want to be congratulated for not applying for a benefit they weren't entitled to.
These same people whine often about something they call 'virtue signalling'.
Government shut down people from working they should pay their full income. Ei or cerb was a pitance. Shame
😂shouldnt have applied
Imagine being able to live in a single family home working 27 hours a week + a disability cheque.
Meanwhile gen y and z are working 60+ hours on a dual income and can barely afford a one bedroom condo.
Because they either inherited it from their parents or had the foresight to buy a home with whatever money they made.
Working 65 hours a week. Live simply. Don’t travel or indulge much. Hate shopping. Live in a ‘low cost’ province. Still struggling to save.
@@shauncameron8390 Exactly. Two permanent classes of Canadians. Those who've inherited property and those who haven't.
@meliew then gen y and z need to move to an area of the country that they can afford.
@@steve8803
That is what I did, but even in a rural low cost area of the low cost AB you’re lucky to find a place to rent, and there isn’t much work. This isn’t a matter of young ppl being lazy. We haven’t left them much to work with.
Whoever decided to shut ppl out of work should pay for it.
That would be the federal and provincial governments.
Nice house!
I paid everything back. So should you
Highschoolers fell for this scam..
Why all the people in the comments on the governments side , this is exactly how society ends up getting screwed ,look at all the money wasted on arrive cans app or sent to other countries most people didn't even know of before recently rember all your support for the government when they have their foot on your knecks As well
Has a fking house too