South Africa in WW1 I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. Extra Credits
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The history of South Africa was already influenced by ethnic tension between the natives and the recently arrived colonists from Great Britain and the Netherlands. The Boers had actually fought to wars with the Empire for self determination. Still, in World War 1 they fought for the King. South Africa saw major action in German East Africa against Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck. But their troops were tested in Europe as well. For example in Delville Woods too where they fiercely fought agains the attacking German Army.
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This man is my nomination for the most English looking, but least English sounding, man of all time.
+archonambroseus Thanks, we accept the nomination.
Perhaps because he is an American?
"The big book of british smiles" comes to mind.
Ruddy skin and waistcoat must be an objectively British look.
@@motorcop505 Yeah and he's from Houston, Texas. He's doing World War II nowadays on another channel.
What a great look into the Boer Wars and South Africa during WWI! So glad you folks took on this subject with us!
Extra Credits Reminder that EC claimed we would run out of internet.
Reminder that EC has only accounted for $25000 out of the $190000 gained from fundraisers.
Reminder that EC endorses corrupt organizations like the IGF.
Hugh Woatmeigh Dude I get that you don't like EC for important reasons and all but why would you lead with "they claimed we would run out of internet" exactly?!
That's sorta like starting off a list of grievances people have with Mao Zedong with "He didn't even bother finishing his studies at soap-making school." EC also made a bunch of (likely specious) estimates about alien life, should we add that to the list too :P
Hugh Woatmeigh so your mad because they haven't run through the money they were given... while ignoring the crazy up tic in vids and extra help they brought in.
Hugh Woatmeigh Lol.
Hugh Woatmeigh when was this "run out of internet" thing, also, how did you know the EXACT amount of money not used and The amount that was used?... Illuminati confirmed!
"I don't think I need to take advice about looking respectable from a cartoon character, but thanks anyway Dan."
ROASTED.
Suit yourself
@@andmos1001 alright we're done here
Ja
This guy is bad at pronouncing stuff btw im south African he says africans not ufrikaans
@@bobtheblobdevelopmentchann9048 ok and ?
There is a channel completely dedicated to WW1??? Time for a marathon i guess! ;)
Bonfire Welcome to the family!
The Great War can you make a video about Tomas Claudio, the only Filipino who fought during WWI (at that time the Philippines was a colony of US before 1946).
Bonfire have you gotten through it yet? Lol
@@TheGreatWar you mean...
Welcome to the trenches
@@rainmanslim4611 And No Man's Land?
It's weird because the Netherlands and Britain get on pretty well now. Hello to any Dutch, Boer descendants and South Africans! 🇬🇧🇿🇦🇳🇱
Haai daar!Ek wil net dankie se vir die groete en ek stuur groete terug!!(Hi there!I just want to say thanks for the greetings and that I send greetings back!!)
NxMaGiiCz you're so right! Haha. Of all the (continental) Europeans we really like the Dutch! We admire the Germans, the Italians are hilarious, the French are worthy advisories. But the Dutch are OK.
The Boers or Afrikaners really originate from Dutch, British, German, French, Italian, Portuguese, Swedes and even Russian. But they have one thing in common - South Africa and Afrikaans. I'm from 1820 settler stock (you Brits go grab you history books). My grandfather died at Ypres in 1918 and my father was wounded at Tobruk in WW2. My brothers and I served in the bushwar (1975-1989).
Nigel Powers, father of British spy Austin Powers, hated the Dutch.
NxMaGiiCz: Hallo man!
The South African theatre of World War 1 is akin to the Russian-Finnish theatre of World War 2. Both were major subplot conflicts that receive little attention in the study of warfare history.
Except that South African Gold and Diamonds helped fund a great deal of it? It was surely one of the richest British colonies at the time.
@dustisdeadbodies85 I've never heard about that one before.
Dear Sir,
I enjoy your vedios not just the stories but also the very high standard
of presentation-it is World Class and Better!
The English Empire did not Win the Anglo Boer, War-Afrikaners were forced to the negotiations due to them realising that the genocide in the concentration camps will wipe out the Afrikaner as a nation.
Please the Boers did not fight a'Guerrilla' war! In the early stages we fought set battles Won 87% of these until our artillery ammunition ran out and the english empire pumped in
hundreds of thousands of soldiers from all over the WORLD and hundreds of millions
of tons of materials. Guerrilla warfare was used by the Spanish in the
Napoleonic wars to snipe at the French. As general Christian de Wet stated
"If we were gorrillas, the gorrilas made a mockery of english military
superiority"! General de Wet formulated 'Kommando Warfare' and our Fore
fathers then used it!
General/Field Marshall Erwin Rommel Studied
generals de Wet and de la Rey in detail and US General Swartz (Iraq
& Mid East Wars) studied Rommel in detail!
Rough composition of the Afrikaner:-50% Dutch, 30% French Huguenots, 10 % German, 10 % Left was Scandinavian, Russian, Italian, Scotsman, e.t.c.
American colonel Blake fighting on Afrikaner side was made a general Under general Louis Botha.
Thank You Again and my Best Regards,
@@gertvanniekerk46 "Please the Boers did not fight a'Guerrilla' war! In the early stages we fought set battles Won 87% " this is correct. however, after the fall of the republics in Transvaal and Orange free state, they went onto what we know of as guerrilla warfare. not setpiece battles, just hit and run tactics, attacking supply columns and that sort of warfare. that is guerilla warfare.
@@Ghoulza No it was a specially Planned/designed 'Kommando' warfare!
Komandos were divided/formed by men/farmers from specific districts. As previously stated -Please the Boers did not fight a 'Guerrilla' war! In the early stages we fought set battles Won 87% of these until our artillery ammunition ran out and the english empire pumped in hundreds of thousands of soldiers from all over the WORLD and hundreds of millions of tons of materials. Guerrilla warfare was used by the Spanish in the Napoleonic wars to snipe at the French. As general Christian de Wet stated "If we were gorrillas, the gorrilas made a mockery of english military superiority"! General de Wet formulated 'Kommando Warfare' and our Fore fathers then used it! Some set battles were fought and won whenever the 'komandos' took enough artillery, ammunition and other weaponry from the English!
Anyone notice Indie's behaviour go cartoonish when dan was on screen?
It gave me a strange vision of Indie acting in films like Spy Kids or Speed Racer.
Tomartyr It reminds me of blues clues.
I am British born in 1944. I lived most of my life in Kenya and South Africa until 2011 when I returned to the UK. I can tell you to this day there is still resentment and hate among hard nosed Afrikaaners against the British. The Boer War was all to do with gold and diamonds and little or nothing to do with allowing "uitlanders" (the British in Transvaal and Orange Free State) the vote. As an Englishman I am in sympathy with the Afrikaaner. The Boer War is a blot on British Colonial history.
As far as Von Lettow Vorbeck is concerned, he was a tricky customer. The Brits never got the measure of him. He came home to Germany and received a hero's welcome. He and his officers were hard on the askaris but fair by the standards of the time.
I'm an English South African and I can say that what the British did to the Boers with the scorched earth policy and concentration camps was extremely bad, they have all the reason in the world to not like us
I'm a South African and a descendant of a Boer and I can say that I do not hate the British people of today which includes you both I only hate the from the beginning of the British Empire up to 1930. I also respect other countries up to a specific year. So I do not blame you Brits because you were not even born around that time. Just wanted to let you know that not all South Africans hate you but just your ancestores.
+Gustav Ferreira Agreed, but I DID say "hard nosed" Afrikaaners. In 1967 I courted a gorgeous girl by the name of Lynnette Els. She and I would have made a pair but her parents were so anti rooinek, the match was doomed.
+Sionide Gaming Yes, but I'm 73 AND the Afrikaaner elders at that time did remember. As a newly arrived young rooinek in 1967, I felt the anti British sentiment. That is why my first true love never had a chance.
how old are you then damm 84?
My great-grandfather served in the 2nd Rhodesian Regiment and fought in several African campaigns. When the RR returned home, many Rhodesians volunteered to join the South African Infantry Brigade. In fact 3 South African Infantry Regiment was mostly made up of men from the Transvaal and Rhodesia. My great-grandfather actually ended up in the 2nd South African Infantry Regiment. When they were shipped to Europe they were encamped in Hampshire where he met my great-grandmother. They later married after the war and then returned home to Rhodesia. He served at Delville Wood and survived. I visited there years not knowing about my great-grandfather's service there and I remember feeling particularly connected to the place. While South Africans don't always get the credit they deserve for their service in the world wars, Rhodesia gets ignored completely. Of the 720 or so men from the 3rd Regiment, most of whom were Rhodesians, only 120 walked out of Delville Wood at the end of the battle.
I can't praise enough the small segment towards Extra Credits. Not only because it is a great channel with very well researched content, like The Great War, but also because you, The Great War crew, broke the tension that build up for a long time in this channel of a "serious Indy talking about sad stuff", he is now speaking to a cartoon character about clothing. Beautiful :)
I needed this. Thank you.
Hanz Krebs Aye Bro hoove me. :3 /)
Hanz Krebs Well, a bit of humour never hurts. See for example Blackadder which we all love. And we are aware what it means to just deal with WW1 all the time, it can be painful sometimes.
Great merging of the two channels. I came here through Extra Credits. Now I have subscribed. I had never heard of this channel before.
Paul Gaither Welcome to the family!
Paul Gaither Same for me as well! Keep up the good work!
Paul Gaither me too!
The Great War *Welcome to the army!
:D
Nicely done! Greetings, from a Boer :)
Just a small correction, the British "equal treatment of natives" was not a cause for the Great Trek. It was about being under the administration of a foreign power, and being expected to pay taxes while not having a say in government - "taxation without representation," in other words. The similarity of the Free State flag to the American flag was not a coincidence. We have a similar history to the US and left the Empire for similar reasons, though of course we got dragged back kicking and screaming.
Wolfie Inu Heb jij meer informatie over de vlag van de Oranje Vrijstaat? Alles wat ik weet is dat hij ontworpen is door de (Nederlandse) Hoge Raad van Adel, na een verzoek aan koning Willem III; maar dat de gelijkenis tussen de vlag van de Oranje Vrijstaat en die van de Verenigde Staten van Amerika niet toevallig is heb ik nog niet eerder gehoord.
Herrieberg Ongelukkig nie. Ek's 'n Transvaler, al wat ek van die Vrystaters af weet is maar net tweedehands :)
Herrieberg af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranje-Vrystaat
Die nasionale vlag van die Oranje Vrystaat is in @1856
aangeneem. Die OVS se nasionale vlag het bestaan uit oranje en wit
horisontale strepe wat mekaar afwissel (3 oranje en 4 wit met die wit
strepe aan die buitekant), met ‘n weergawe van die Hollandse vlag
(oorspronklik gebruik by @1795)
in die een kwart. Die vlag is ontwerp deur die Nederlandse koning
Willem III na 'n versoek van die bevolking van die Oranje Vrystaat. Die
voormalige nasionale Vlag van Suid-Afrika (vanaf 1927 tot 1994) het die
vlag van die OVS wat vertikaal hang, ingesluit in die sentrale wit baan
van die vlag.
+BEERMAN684 Mmm, that is an interesting fact I didn't actually know.
+Wolfie Inu Dis regtig nie net plat en vol mielielande nie!
My Grand father was a British soldier during the Boer war sadly i never met him before he passed on as i was born too late but having lived my entire life in South Africa i can say that the Afrikaans people i knew growing up never hated me because of my ancestry we'd call each other names from time to time but we also got along pretty well especially during the bush war years and after iv'e never had any major problems with the English Afrikaans differences as we all regarded ourselves as South African but that's just from my perspective i can't speak for others
lol I was so used to the usual tunes and sound effects of you guys that when the African drums started I thought it was so out of place I looked outside my window to see where it came from ...
+DaBase333 We are full of surprises.
When I was reading this comment I heard a noise so I paused it so I could hear the African drums. I happened to pause the African drums.
God dammit. I just did the exact same thing while reading your comment ^
My Great Grandfather fought in the South African War in 1901 he was Justin August Pescini and his brothers Mazzini and Thomas (Tommaso) fought in The Great War.
Very well done! Sadly in South Africa these days, kids are only taught about Apartheid and Aids! - nothing about the Great Trek, Boer Wars or South Africa's participation in WW1 and 2. No lies, no sides taken, and concise, fun to watch!
Yup.Why do we mostly learn about Apartheid
History classes get much more interesting in high school, our final exams are about the Zulu empire, colonial expansion, and we were going into this part but unfortunately due to Covid-19 we won't be
Thanks for doing this Indy. I have relatives that died fighting in the Battle of Delville Wood, and it means a lot to see their role in the war recognized.
South Africans be like:"hey Germany can we get some guns to defeat the British?"
Germany: "Yeah sure,here you go"
South Africa:" Actually to take over some of your colonies"
BetrAYeL TiMe
Thank you for including my country!!!!!
My Great Grandfather fought in the Maritz rebellion and in South West Africa during WW1. My grandfather told me many stories of him during the war. He was a samajoor (Major I'm assuming?), with one of the mounted sharpshooter regiments. One of the stories were that in South West Africa, in some town or region I can't remember, they charged the German forces. The Germans, upon seeing the South African cavalry charge, opened fire. But strangely, the South African charge did not seem to be suffer any casualties from the the German fire. They thought that the Germans were having a very off day, until bees started to swarm and stung the whole charge into disarray. Apparently the Germans placed beehives in the trees, expecting the attack. They shot into the hives enraging the bees. According to my grandfather, it took the mounted brigade three days to regroup.
That is one of the lighter stories. There were also many horrific stories that he shared.....
Love your channel!
Just popping over from "Extra Credit". I don't think that I EVER would have found this channel without the shout out from their channel, (which is a shame). Great video, I love watching/listening to educational videos while going throughout my day. I have honestly learned more from listening to UA-cam and doing my own research than I ever did at school as a child, (which is REALLY sad! 😥)
Proud to be South African!Love your channel mate!
Trotse Suid-Afrikaner!
Yeah
How is it there?
Joe Gerhard USA meh it’s ok.
I feel like it's still too soon after apartheid to be proud, but sure 😅
That cartoony character's entry was so unexpected as was Indy's reaction. Just love this Indy guy so much, lol :)
Hey guys. First of all: Thank you Extra Credits for sending me here :)
Secondly: Just new here, but love the series already!
SoulSurvivor Welcome to the family!
My two favourite UA-cam channels together
Will you be doing a video about the war in German east Africa? I've been reading about the Battle for Lake Tanganyika and it extremely interesting.
+gimzod76 Mimi and TuoTuo?
@@indiananeidell9186 They didnt cover it.
@@indiananeidell9186 Did you guys do a video about the Tabora Offensive ?
GReat episode. Thanx for covering SA in this series. Love the show
+Pieter Groenewald Thanks!
I can also say great episode of a part of WWI you never hear or see about.
Heh, didn't expect my own country to be shown here. Thanks!
Well your country was vital in helping the British. Love South Africa 🇿🇦 from the U.K🇬🇧
Hey i live in south Africa XD. cool video.
Greetings from Berlin.
You live in German?
The History Nerd yeah he mentioned earlier in the series
there are only two genders
I have die antwood
Guys, this is a comment section, a place supposed for people to talk and discuss different ideas and add , or discuss about a certain fact being true or not. Don't simply come putting hate speeches, everyone is listening, so listen as well. In the last 2 decades, people have become more and more unable to accept different ideas and different groups and became far more incapable to have a real discussion with respect on both sides. And one of the reasons of that is because of the internet, that bundles people up with other people that have the same idea with no discussion, only agreement.
I can link the bbc article that talk about this issue. If we become unable to discuss and try to see the point of view of others, or even understand that someone did a simple mistake sometimes. We will be unable to live as a society, and more and more conflicts like the ww1 will happen again! Because humanity never ever learns.
This is a UA-cam comment section, I'm afraid your breath is wasted.
Derelict Friend
Totally it is. Humans are boring.
Well, I was never above a bit of Extra Credit all those years ago back in School, so I guess a little more can't hurt. :) Great episode guys! It was nice to open up my subscription page for a bit of The Great War Channel - This time , with Saturday Morning Cartoons thrown in LOL )
izonker It seems to be a pattern of you mixing our episodes with comedy content.
+The Great War Channel ...... I honestly do it without thinking, levity is a defensive measure when coping with the realities of such wholesale butchery. If it Offends, I shall cut it out.
izonker Don't worry. Was just an observation.
Field Marshal Jan Christiaan Smuts PC, OM, CH, DTD, ED, KC, FRS, also served on Churchill's War Cabinet during WWII.
The first boer war was actually pretty impressive if you read about it. It was the beginning of the end of the redcoat uniforms the british have carried into battle for hundreds of years. Majuba hill a force of 360 men were completely humiliated so badly that a slogan of the british was "Remember Majuba". Through that battle the boers had only one casualty
Beginning of the end for the red coat uniform was in India, 1848 the British started to adopt khaki, took nearly 40 years to complete it.
And yes, the British were humiliated in the First Boer War. All the Boer's were marksmen armed in the main with as good a rifle as the British soldier, if not better for feats of marksmanship they were achieving. Brits were trained at volley fire, and they were the best in the world at that.
The Boer was trained to ride and shoot on horseback from childhood, they shot game to live off the land. Good marksmanship became the norm.
David Winstanley They walked Into the first boer war with Red Coats fought lost and never wore them into battle again.... sounds like the end to me and boers didn't always shoot from horseback (although they could) they actually liked standing with both feet on the ground more for accuracy. If my memory isn't failing me I don't remember any mounted riflemen at majuba hill from my studies at voortrekker, there wasn't any guerilla tactics used at majuba just the british who had a lot of disadvantages from incompetent commands. The guerilla tactics were more used during the second boer war
Pretty much agree apart from the red coat bit. It was phased in over 40 years. Boer War or no Boer War, the India campaigns were the catalyst for adopting Khaki Drill.
Two British officers, Lumsden and Hodson, instrumental in forming the Guides Corps in the 1840's (some regard the Guides as a precursor to what is now called Special Forces), were the first to adopt Khaki Drab (as it was known), I think it was Hodson who was responsible for the choice of Khaki.
This is were the incompetency of British High Command was laid bare.
Guerilla tactics were nothing new to the British, the Guides utilised the tactics of unconventional warfare with great success against the Afghan, Pathan, Sikh tribes that had rebelled against British rule.
But British High Command deemed it ungentlemanly conduct to pursue this type of warfare against another "European type nation". Boy did they live to regret that one!
If they had harnessed the experiences of the Guides, the Boers might not have had it so easy in their guerilla campaigns of the Second Boer War. Possibly even negating the use of the notorious concentration camps! Who knows?
The 2nd Boer War was the first campaign where the British Empire troops all wore Khaki.
From memory it was the Sudan where the last red uniform was worn in battle in the 1880's.
BTW, good to talk with you.
+David Winstanley Its great talking with you too. I think the main motivation British forces had for adopting the khaki approach to the second boer war was the ease to spot them in the bush, I mean if a few average marksmen stood in a bush and fired upon men with a red uniform it would be pretty easy to fire at least 3 or 4 shots with a musket before anyone would notice where they were. I'm not all that experience with British forces or warfare but I can tell you out of experience and studies into Afrikaner history that in a dense bush they are or were very skilled at tracking, identifying and killing a target (think it might have been all the hunting they enjoyed so much) But also needless to say its pretty impressive how much grieve they gave they British seeing as how their name boer in direct translation to English means farmer
I now live in the UK. I was born in then Rhodesia. Had 3 cousins who fought in the bush war in the 1970's. They were in the RLI (Rhodesian Light Infantry), and one later joined the Selous Scouts.
They were famed for their tracking skills and pseudo warfare. That is, acting like a guerilla and be accepted as one to gain an advantage over their opponent. They were responsible for 70% of total guerilla losses suffered by ZANLA and ZIPRA They were arguably the finest bush/counter insurgency fighters to come out of Africa.
Fun fact: The Rhodesian armed forces still hold the record for the most combat parachute operations. France is second.
I was still a kid when we left in 1979 to live in Natal, just outside Pietermaritzburg, now moved to the UK. Have a lot of family in England.
So I do have an interest in Southern Africa and it's so sad to see Zimbabwe in it's current state. Things had to change, but with Mugabe they unleashed a monster. And it was all done to appease the super powers of USA, Russia and China. The UK was the broker for the deal that was the Lancaster House Agreement.
This video and the Battlefield One trailer breakdown prompted me to give this channel a serious look (now I'm watching from the beginning and arrived here again), in case you were wondering if they were worthwhile.
Thanks and welcome to the show.
Damnit, Extra Credits! I can't handle any more subscriptions! **Subscribed**
+Hornchief UA-cam problems .
I just love Afrikaner history !
2:21 I just want to say years after the fact that any inclusion of topographic features on a map is greatly appreciated. Terrain is hugely important for contextual understanding, at least for me.
Hey man...Extra History is awesome.
WanderingRurouni92 yes
Indy, have you ever played a devil in a movie? It occurred to me that you could play the devil or some kind of demon.
***** You bear a more than passing resemblance to Peter Stormare, who memorably portrayed the Devil in Constantine. That's probably what Trout is talking about.
@@indiananeidell9186 How about doing a series on Napoleon starting in 1802 and ending in 1815
Thank you for covering pieces of history we often just donot mention as opposed to the much bigger battles everyone remembers
I have to say I absolutely love this series...And it reviewing some of my heritage is amazing. Thanks a lot guys. Ill be sure to finish everything soon
I'm so glad you guys did this episode, I'm looking forward to you coverage of some of the other countries from around the world and how they contributed to the war.
Peter van der Merwe Glad you liked it.
Thanks Indy and team for making these very informative videos. Also I really enjoy the special episodes, they enhance the main series.
Max Diaz Thanks. That's exactly what we want them to be: enhancement.
I like Andy Nidel's appreciation of his whole series of WW1. It is virtually unbiased to either side and he gives a good attitude and voice. He allows each 'side' to be heard ie the basic historical facts, which ever side you maybe siding for, as much as possible. As far as this particular episode is concerned - the European Empires (it wasn't only the British and the German) all had a bit of a grab for Africa, much like China has today in our 21st century. The loss of so many SA soldiers at Delville Wood, the Somme, in 1916 is a testament to them trying to at least affecting a future of some resemblance of peace for all of us perhaps, even if they didn't realise what sacrifice they were making at the time...RIP brave men
Just a minor correction: Louis Botha became South Africa's first "prime minister", in 1910, not president. The Union of South Africa was a parliamentary system modeled roughly on the UK model. South Africa didn't acquire a President until the 1960's
As my surname is Botha as well, I find your pronunciation of the surname quite hilarious throughout this whole video, along with all the other Afrikaans names and surnames.
Also, quite sad to find how much that you really glossed over the Anglo Boere Oorlog.
So you wanted them to pay more attention to the white south africans? What about native black south africans?
JCLegoMan99 Maybe because he's not English.
AnimatedNomi Yeah I just laugh and laugh when people butcher my name, but then I don't expect most English speakers to be able to pronounce my Spanish surname. Nor do I expect him to cover anything other than WWI in general. The series is not called the Anglo Boere War.
@morton christie
They're native, they're in south africa?
That was pretty awesome. But insanely short.
Vuyisile Sibeko I preferred the Zulu empire vids from Extra Credits.
Vuyisile Sibeko Well, our main series is of course much more detailed. This special episodes are painting a bigger picture to accompany the detailed series in the main show.
I am Xhosa and I’m South African, I know a lot about my history.... so let’s see!!!
Edit: wonderful summarization!!! Amazing job!!!
Came here because of Extra credits, and proceeded to watch everyone of you episodes. can't wait for next week episode. You guys have made a great show here. thank you
Michael Sievers Thanks for watching and welcome!
Yes the British were very 'philantropic' when they killed shitloads of Xhosa in the Eastern Cape and settled Britons in their lands. This isn't even imaginative fiction.
sea monster hey 👋🏻 I’m a descendant of those Britons. We are called the RSA English
Heh, I had these both right next to each other in the sub box.
Sailing the sea of fools Watch Extra Credits first in terms of chronology.
Sailing the sea of fools Same here
Sailing the sea of fools As did I. I'm delighted to see them collaborating.
Some years ago, I knew a woman from South Africa whose grandfather flew in an RAF squadron in the Middle East during the war. She had copies of photos he had taken of the enemy trench lines. A remembrance that we don't live that long from those times.
This was extremely fascinating. I was brought over here from Extra Credits- I didn't know any of this about South Africain World War I! Great job
Ek's bly dat julle ouens iets oor ons land vertel!
can you do another one of these feat. pitbull?
Pitbull?
The Great War
just a joke, making fun of the rapper Pitbull who is featured in practically every random pop/rap song on american radio for the last 5 years.
i gotchu xD
I'm a South African. My great great cousin fought in the Battle of the Sommes as his first deployment. He was apart of the few surviving after the battle. He later got transferred to the Scottish Regiment and was a Machine gunner. He was shot by a German Sniper 2 weeks before the war ended. He was nicknamed "Bull". He was also buried somewhere in France aswell.
Lol, Dan. I came here after seeing this channel mentioned on EC and now here I am, binging all 650+ episodes in chronological order.
i am a extra history sub and i really loved their entrance in this video really cool and funny :)
Stefano Erhabor Glad you liked it.
and i liked the way you tell history so i have already subsribed to this channel really good content
Interesting. The First World War is a very controversial subject for South Africans with a European heritage. It's a human tendency to look for the good or the bad side, but WW1 even in Europe brought up much uncertainty as to who the good (or right) side was, and exposed the danger of having large polarized military alliances...as we still have today. One thing I might just add is the pronunciation of "Louis Botha". Many Afrikaans speaking people have French names and can be pronounced as such. Louis would then be similar to the French pronunciation of Louis - with the silent 's'. It adds to another misconception people have about "Afrikaners". We're not exactly Dutch. The original settlers were among others English, Dutch, French, German and there were even a few Scandinavians. Much like America. The Dutch East India Company's ambition to give South Africa a Dutch character just led to Dutch being accepted by most of the immigrants and most Catholics converting to Protestantism .
***** Thanks for explaining that. It's really fascinating.
Great idea partnering with other channels! Not only does it mean more content for the viewers, but a greater reach for the Great War channel! :D
WOOOOOOOOOOOW i wasnt expecting Extra Credits
You gotta be kiddin me though. Why does everyone pronounce boere wrong!!!
+Fluffy Spaceman Because it's written differently than its pronounced.
Fluffy Spaceman and you just spelt it wrong *boer*
No he didn't, that is the plural
Most people pronounce foreign languages wrong. It's quite normal. Most Afrikaners can barely pronounce the English (or Greek rather -- thelta) *th*-sound. And most people can't properly pronounce the German *ch*-sound eg. 'die Milch' (soft, cat-like hiss; like sh, but the air travels below and along the tongue rather than along the palate).
A close English approximation of the *oe* in *boer* would be the *oo* in *boo*. And finally, the *r* should be rolled.
Checking pronunciations online I can conclude that it is pronounced 'Bewr'
''The bores'' I guess they were not much fun then.. lmfao! 'Boer' is pronounced 'bour' as in 'you'. It means 'farmer' in Dutch. And the plural of Boer is Boeren, not Boers.
You forget that the boers language is Afrikaans. A different ,but pretty similar language than Dutch.
Not in English it ain't mate.
The plural is actually boere
It's not often that a foreigner can teach me things about my own country. Awesome video. And refreshingly objective and unbiased. Sadly something that is still a lot more rare in South Africa than it should be.
Great video. Quick hit: Indians arrived in South Africa in 1860. 2nd generation South African Indian here ✌
Nice combination with Danny Dan.
Van suid Africa dankie.
paulo graca Greetings from Berlin.
Whoa, two of my favorite youtube channels hanging out together!
thank you. i appreciate this.
German history books do not promote the legend of the "faithful Akari" anymore. You will be hardpressed to find German history books showing any part of the war in a positive light. Even the usual references to the bravery of the troops that you yourself usually include are largely absent.
+Stefan Sasse Yet, it is still a popular myth. You can evidently see that under our Lettow-Vorbeck video for example.
"I don't need to take advice from a cartoon character!" RACISM! :P
thanks again guys... so glad I'm a Patreon supporter of your great job
came here from extra credits,and i do not regret it,you gained a subscriber!
ive been to delville wood
Extra Credit sent me here. I am looking to learn more history, and this channel looks awesome. Consider me as your subscriber.
The Casual Subculturist Welcome!
I love it when my favorite channels team up!
It is exceptionally difficult to make those cameos of other channels not cringey, but thank you for trying.
great bit of history. My only gripe is the continual placement of Mandela on a pedestal. As an ex south african I can tell you what mandela represented internationally, and what his actual work accomplishments achieved are two very different things. Since the 90s africas never seen more suffering or inter race trouble. He has more blood on his hands than any one of these wars combined.
He has created a vacuum in a once great nation that can never be mended. The race of people i belong to will likely cease in my lifetime.
@starofdavid4445 why do you think mandela was in jail? He was a militant marxist. The ANC party is a communist regime. Mandela bombed a building. He literally took control by force.
Also, the boere moved to the middle land because they didnt want to be part of the british colony, not because they hated the other races!
A channel made for me. Thanks Extra Credits for bringing me here!
sewermedic911 Welcome!
I'm a historian and I really enjoy this movie channel. I'm impressed how he can tell a complex history in just 10 minutes video!
Thanks!
As a South African its good to see our contribution being recognized. Pitty though about the last few minutes with Mandela being dragged into it but I suppose its inevitable. But since this is a series about violence around 90 000 south africans died from rampant unchecked violent crime under Mandela. That figure is heading to around 400 000 now since the ANC came to power. The vast majority of the victims being black south africans. Thats more than many current warzones. Peace? I dont think so.
I live in Canada and worked with many white South Africans at this one company. They never mentioned it to me but I'm sure they left SA because of the downward spiral of the last few decades.
trollking99 I've worked with white South Africans and in my experience they are with out a doubt hands down compared to any other people I have met the most arrogant racist hate filled people I have ever met
How did you discover or calculate those numbers? Why did 27 people up vote a comment that contains such a bold claim and zero citation?
Christian Weibrecht one word experience
@@halfcantan1208 experience in / with what? I don't know anything about you or guy who posted the original comment. Am I supposed to believe that he has relevant experience just because another anonymous claims he does? If I claimed to know the exact number of boers killed by British troops would you instantly believe me?
Mandela was so graceful. He would, as token of gracious racial relations give necklaces to his white and black political opponents. Just an interesting fact.
Consisting of tires soaked in gasoline and being lit to "enlighten" the individuals.
He was a terrorist,he planted bombs in public areas and detonates them.Killing hundreds of people not very graceful
Jaco V Yeah man I agree. When you Afrikaners launched the Maritz rebellion it was also terrorism and I'm glad it got shut down.
@@SelfRaisingWheat no that was being loyal to people that helped you in a war
Wishing them a "Goodyear" as the gasoline-filled tire around their necks burned . . .
Jan Smuts was also the only person to sit on both post-war counsels. And basically wrote the groundwork for the UN.
Just one quick thing. There is a WW1 Memorial in Pretoria, just outside the Union Buildings, which is the statue of Castor and Pollux. The twin of that statue is located at Delville Wood.
The symbolism behind Castor and Pollux was framing the Boer / English association in SA, like that of twins engaged in a sibling rivalry, although after the South African War (aka the 2nd AngloBoer war) there was (and in many cases) continues to be strong tensions between the English and (now) Afrikaner communities.
Even the foundations for the Apartheid system, the Beaumont hearings, was stacked in favour of the Boer (and burgeoning Afrikaner) nation, in order to keep them happy.
Daniel Keevy Interesting metaphor in that monument. Thanks for explaining.
Goeie video maar sjoe, that pronunciation though..
Ja, hulle dink boer is bor
@@TheFutureChannel123 Wel, Engelse sal mos boer seg soos 'n Engels spreeker as hulle nie geleer is nie.
No this is wrong the British imported slaves to South Africa and ended this practice in 1808. the Boere only started the Trek in 1835 which is 17 years afterwards. Also noted is that most slaves were of Asian decent which were used in Natal working on British sugar cane farms whilst the Boere moved from the Cape colony. The Boere moved away from the Brits trying to enforce British culture on a European group of settlers not a law that never applied to them in the first place
The slave trade was abolished in the British empire in 1807, but the ownership of slaves was only abolished in 1835 and extended throughout the British empire thereafter.
TheBayzent
If you think the Portuguese colonised any part of South Africa then this is not the discussion for you.
varkgriep
Jy praat lekker kak. Ofskoon die Britse Parlement slawehandel in 1807 afgeskaf het was dit wettig om slawe te besit tot 1834 in die Britse Ryk en die Indieërs wat Natal toe gekom het was ingeboekte arbeiders, nie slawe nie. So terloops, die Natal Kolonie is eers in 1843 verklaar. Die Groot Trek was deel van 'n algemene, stelselmatige trek binneland en die trekboere het soos jy skryf, nie slawe besit nie.
i love these comics you find
My Great Grandfather was a South African of Germanic descent who fought in Both German SE & German SW Africa against the Germans. There's some pretty mad stories that have been passed down through the generations about his times in WW1...
not good i assume.
Share them if you can. Commit his story to posterity!
Everyone who thinks Mandela was some kind of saint should look up "necklacing".
StrawB0ss Thats when someone sets a tire on fire around someone's neck? I bet the ANC bombed infrastructure and murdered people, I think that's mildly more significant. (I don't undermine necklacing though)
StrawB0ss he did exactly what the whites had done to his people for decades
I hope you don't think that's a valid excuse.
StrawB0ss eye for an eye, some things you can't turn another cheek too sorry
That's horse shit. Gandhi and MLK successfully advocated for change in the face of violence without burning people alive with tires. Necklacing was fucking barbaric. Mandela won but he did it the wrong way.
Came here from Extra Credits
Can't help but chuckle when Indy talked about refusing to wear a time given his World War TWO wardrobe.
General Louis Botha was elected the first Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa in 1910 not the first president. He also served as the only elected Prime Minister of the Transvaal Colony.
SIKH SOLDIERS NEXT?!??
Who’s South African?
Here from extra credits!Awesome informative video!
Woaw im a South African thanks for addressing this part of our history as well
Just a veeeery small FYI: The whole "Askari Myth" is only found in German Pop History (The stuff that's on the same level as von Däniken books and the History Channel WW2/Hitler "documentaries": Often written with entertainment and various subtext in mind, rather than with the intent to actually educate) books.
Neither School History books not the books used for studying History in University show it as anything but war propaganda and lies. (German school with History Focus in the 90s (First treatment of WW1 and the African Colonial Theatre was in 1995, for me) and later studied Modern Military history in Bochum, so... That's something actually know from first hand experience. ;) )
Wow this episode is rather British biased, I am afraid.
Thanks, I read the article, but I fail to see the connection with my comment. Sorry.
To mention that Mandela was born in 1918, by Indy; it is slanted journalism. Here is another article that shows Mandela for who he is. www.nationalreview.com/article/366317/remembering-mandela-without-rose-colored-glasses-andrew-c-mccarthy
I hardly see how that is. I thought he was being rather unbiased, actually.
+jlt85215
How did you go from mandela's date of birth to an article demonizing him? Clearly you just want to say something negative about him. He was fighting white racists that were treating his people like shit. Was he supposed to be a friendly saint?
***** Does that take anything away from the article though?
One of the Boer Generals is buried in New Mexico. Genl. Ben Viljoen - Boer General, later American citizen and Major in the 1st Infantry Battalion, and pushing for the independence of New Mexico ,USA. Later to become a Soldier of Fortune and Guerilla fighter in the Mexican Civil War.
Born in the Cape in 1868. He moved to the ZAR aged 16. He joined the Transvaal Mounted Police in Krugersdorp, and fought the Jameson Raiders in 1896. He also worked as a journalist. He served as a member of the Second Volksraad in 1898. At the start of the Boer War he served as Commandant of the Johannesburg Commando. He fought in the Battle of Elandslaagte and narrowly escaped capture. He fought in the battle of Modderspruit, Ladysmith, Colenso, on the Tugela and at Vaal Kranz.
Winston Churchill described Viljoen's capture of the Lady Roberts canon at Vaal Kranz “A Maxim-Vickers gun abandoned by the Boers in a donga was about to fall into British hands, when that notorious ruffian, the fearless Viljoen himself, brought back a team of horses and escaped with the gun, threading his way between the red flames and black clouds of lyddite shells which the British artillery concentrated on him - a feat that, were it done by a British officer, he would assuredly be covered with decorations”.
After the Anglo-Boer War Viljoen and other Boers first settled in Chihuahua, Mexico, but most later moved north into the English-speaking regions where they established farms and excelled at grain and vegetable farming rather than ranching. The settlement held together for a number of decades but gradually dissolved as economic conditions necessitated other forms of employment.
One of the leaders, and a person who left a lasting imprint on the Mesilla Valley, was General Ben Viljoen. Locally he introduced farming innovations and modernized irrigation, preparing for water from Elephant Butte Dam. He was a delegate in negotiations for New Mexico statehood, involved in the Mexican revolution, and was Mexico's representative to pacify the Yaqui Indians in Sonora. Viljoen and other Boers firmly established the production and marketing of local produce in emerging towns such as El Paso.
He later stated while in the US: ..."If my country was lost to me I wished to choose a flag to live under for myself"
Ben Viljoen is Buried in New Mexico, USA.
More interesting facts at:
facebook.com/groups/AngloBoerWar/
Totally agree with Wolfie Inu and well-said - with "Just a small correction, the British "equal treatment of natives" was not a cause for the Great Trek. It was about being under the administration of a foreign power, and being expected to pay taxes while not having a say in government - "taxation without representation," in other words." (We know our history).