Good thing I was only raising my water bottle to my lips when Sebastian said "a very pretty little Jew boy." If I'd already taken a drink I would have spit the water out all over my computer. ;D
I appreciate that a lot of misunderstanding comes from the get-up of huntsmen (the guys in red jackets, not to be mistaken for the followers). But everything they wear has a practical purpose, it just happens to be attire that was develloped before we had high-vis jackets and walkie-talkies. 20 (or more) dogs is a single pack, which works as one. The fox is a solitary animal, and it runs over land it knows far better than the hounds, which is why you hear people say a fit fox won't be caught.
So (to finish that last point, and in response to "First you said it was to "protect our livelihoods" but then you argue it "culls" the weaker. If it was about protection then the healthy foxes would be more of a problem, surely.") it's far better to have a healthy, more evenly dispersed population of these predators throughout the land, which ensures they have territories of their own, prey to hunt and a greater diversity of breeding partners.
Just learn about something before you hate it, that's all I ask. Remember that a few centuries ago we were all in the countryside - some ancestors branched off, developed cities and removed themselves from the reality of what people 'back home' did, whilst the rest got on and supplied those people with food and by-products by, amongst other things, learning how to work with nature to protect their livelihoods. A more effective means of fox culling has yet to be found; we'd be using it otherwise!
We use the dogs to hunt the fox. Only dogs can catch an unfit fox and kill it. Unlike trapping or poisoning. Contrary to what you may hear from people who don't see and work with the countryside every day, foxes are a pest and have been hunted efficiently like this for a while. The fact that doctors, surgeons, plumbers, nurses, schoolteachers pay to follow along behind the huntsman to enjoy a day's riding is often misread as being bloodthirsty. If we were that, we'd be following rat catchers.
I'm not overly thrilled with this turn in the storyline. Samgrass is portrayed as the dishonorable nark while Charles is portrayed as the loyal friend. But, truth be told, Charles is enabling Sebastian's horribly destructive addiction and Samgrass is, for whatever reason, taking SOME steps to address the very real concerns about Sebastian's excessive drinking.
And he's only 21. Easy to damn others when we have the experience and hindsight of many more years, as I'm sure you have. Samgrass is a twit, but not a total idiot, and his heart, whatever, its issues, is in almost the right place.
Samgrass is doing what he was paid to do, be Sebastian’s keeper. He was there to write a glowing book about Lady M’s brothers too, so he’s hardly suffering. Way too smug
@@harmoniabalanzaRot. I don’t know where you are, but Australian culture encourages young men to drink in high school. Plus there was some flask grog, port & probably sherry then. Hardly a dry house
Docking happens to longhaired breeds of retriever dogs, not horses! Docking a horses tail simply means cutting the loose hair (skirt) up short to where the tailbone ends (the dock).
Well you must remember that dogs are inately wolves - whatever breed you look at, that fact is true. They all thrive best when they feel part of a pack, and have a place in that pack. This includes following their biggest instinct - hunting. So we use a pack as one, following their 'alpha' - the huntsman's - direction to track down the scent, find the fox and test it (the chase will only end in a kill if the fox is unfit for whatever reason) so how often foxes are caught depends on the foxes!
May I reccommend a short documentary film on horseandcountry DOT tv called 'Hounds & The Huntsman' which is quite a good (unbiased, I promise) fly-on-the-wall style insight into what is involved with the work of a Huntsman. Worth a watch with an open mind at least :)
Not all aspects of animal husbandry are about immediate reward, it's about looking after and contributing to the land - being neither too afraid to touch it, nor disregarding towards it. Fox hunting is about prevention rather than cure - afford foxes their right to live and breed as they will and pick a few off every season as a natural predator would do (as the fox does with prey) and you've got a healthy population. Like thinning living seedlings out. It's a sacrifice worth making, trust me.
No, but man does not eat rats either. It's called hunting because the dogs hunt, but what it provides is the same effect as a cull. A controlled kill of weak animals in a species (as opposed to the strong, healthy foxes that can outrun hounds). Unlike poisoning or trapping which kill anything that happens to touch them. Honestly I have never seen a fox mamed or only 'injured' by hounds. Ever.
Haha, I see. Well, it's something that came about through neccessity rather than for fun. It keeps the fox population under control, but we're not out to exterminate the lot of them because they serve a purpose just as everything else. But if we keep the numbers down, and, in turn, the living foxes healthy and well dispersed then we maintain a balance that I think a lot of people don't appreciate. I'm trying to speak broadly but feel free to ask any other questions :)
Julia would have prided herself in being modern. You can see some of the women are in trousers riding astride and the old-school types are in skirts riding the traditional sidesaddle.
Come back when *you've* examined *your* conscience as hard as anyone in hunting has had to, and perhaps your spelling and grammar, and argue your case. I'm willing to hear it, but if you're going to call hunting cruel then you've got to call every other animal that hunts, or has learnt to utilise tools or the techniques of other species for their own benefit cruel too.
But foxes and humans are different. A pack of dogs are only an equal match for a single fox. I cannot believe I am having to explain the basics to you. You need to stop looking at it as '20 men against one' and start learning more about the species involved - and affording them some proper dignity instead of this anthropomorphic crap.
Good thing I was only raising my water bottle to my lips when Sebastian said "a very pretty little Jew boy." If I'd already taken a drink I would have spit the water out all over my computer. ;D
you were expecting PC?
"The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible." - Oscar Wilde on hunting
Don't start that old chestnut. Nature's cruel, dear. Just close your eyes and count to ten whilst we get on with protecting our livelihoods.x
I appreciate that a lot of misunderstanding comes from the get-up of huntsmen (the guys in red jackets, not to be mistaken for the followers). But everything they wear has a practical purpose, it just happens to be attire that was develloped before we had high-vis jackets and walkie-talkies. 20 (or more) dogs is a single pack, which works as one. The fox is a solitary animal, and it runs over land it knows far better than the hounds, which is why you hear people say a fit fox won't be caught.
Yes, centuries ago
Haha. the extras are falling of the horses.
@breadandbutterr haha yeah theyre hunting a big herd of dogs
Quality, rather than quantity you might say.
So (to finish that last point, and in response to "First you said it was to "protect our livelihoods" but then you argue it "culls" the weaker. If it was about protection then the healthy foxes would be more of a problem, surely.") it's far better to have a healthy, more evenly dispersed population of these predators throughout the land, which ensures they have territories of their own, prey to hunt and a greater diversity of breeding partners.
Just learn about something before you hate it, that's all I ask. Remember that a few centuries ago we were all in the countryside - some ancestors branched off, developed cities and removed themselves from the reality of what people 'back home' did, whilst the rest got on and supplied those people with food and by-products by, amongst other things, learning how to work with nature to protect their livelihoods. A more effective means of fox culling has yet to be found; we'd be using it otherwise!
What about trapping & lures? Not every control method is cruel
We use the dogs to hunt the fox. Only dogs can catch an unfit fox and kill it. Unlike trapping or poisoning. Contrary to what you may hear from people who don't see and work with the countryside every day, foxes are a pest and have been hunted efficiently like this for a while. The fact that doctors, surgeons, plumbers, nurses, schoolteachers pay to follow along behind the huntsman to enjoy a day's riding is often misread as being bloodthirsty. If we were that, we'd be following rat catchers.
I'm not overly thrilled with this turn in the storyline. Samgrass is portrayed as the dishonorable nark while Charles is portrayed as the loyal friend. But, truth be told, Charles is enabling Sebastian's horribly destructive addiction and Samgrass is, for whatever reason, taking SOME steps to address the very real concerns about Sebastian's excessive drinking.
And he's only 21. Easy to damn others when we have the experience and hindsight of many more years, as I'm sure you have. Samgrass is a twit, but not a total idiot, and his heart, whatever, its issues, is in almost the right place.
Samgrass is doing what he was paid to do, be Sebastian’s keeper. He was there to write a glowing book about Lady M’s brothers too, so he’s hardly suffering. Way too smug
@@harmoniabalanzaRot. I don’t know where you are, but Australian culture encourages young men to drink in high school. Plus there was some flask grog, port & probably sherry then. Hardly a dry house
Docking happens to longhaired breeds of retriever dogs, not horses! Docking a horses tail simply means cutting the loose hair (skirt) up short to where the tailbone ends (the dock).
Well you must remember that dogs are inately wolves - whatever breed you look at, that fact is true. They all thrive best when they feel part of a pack, and have a place in that pack. This includes following their biggest instinct - hunting. So we use a pack as one, following their 'alpha' - the huntsman's - direction to track down the scent, find the fox and test it (the chase will only end in a kill if the fox is unfit for whatever reason) so how often foxes are caught depends on the foxes!
7:22 oh..poor dog((
May I reccommend a short documentary film on horseandcountry DOT tv called 'Hounds & The Huntsman' which is quite a good (unbiased, I promise) fly-on-the-wall style insight into what is involved with the work of a Huntsman. Worth a watch with an open mind at least :)
Do they hunt the dogs? Thats cruel. Or do they use the dogs to track...
Not all aspects of animal husbandry are about immediate reward, it's about looking after and contributing to the land - being neither too afraid to touch it, nor disregarding towards it. Fox hunting is about prevention rather than cure - afford foxes their right to live and breed as they will and pick a few off every season as a natural predator would do (as the fox does with prey) and you've got a healthy population. Like thinning living seedlings out. It's a sacrifice worth making, trust me.
Well one man’s poacher is another’s ghillie
Samgrass has to be the heavy, while the upper classes look down on him.He does the dirty work of the "entitled" family.
No, but man does not eat rats either. It's called hunting because the dogs hunt, but what it provides is the same effect as a cull. A controlled kill of weak animals in a species (as opposed to the strong, healthy foxes that can outrun hounds). Unlike poisoning or trapping which kill anything that happens to touch them. Honestly I have never seen a fox mamed or only 'injured' by hounds. Ever.
Haha, I see. Well, it's something that came about through neccessity rather than for fun. It keeps the fox population under control, but we're not out to exterminate the lot of them because they serve a purpose just as everything else. But if we keep the numbers down, and, in turn, the living foxes healthy and well dispersed then we maintain a balance that I think a lot of people don't appreciate. I'm trying to speak broadly but feel free to ask any other questions :)
the sister would be riding side saddle, riding astride would have been vulgar, according to nancy mitford
Julia would have prided herself in being modern. You can see some of the women are in trousers riding astride and the old-school types are in skirts riding the traditional sidesaddle.
i was happy that Charles is part of the family- and this is sad to say...but i would have done Exactly what Charles done in giving him $
Come back when *you've* examined *your* conscience as hard as anyone in hunting has had to, and perhaps your spelling and grammar, and argue your case. I'm willing to hear it, but if you're going to call hunting cruel then you've got to call every other animal that hunts, or has learnt to utilise tools or the techniques of other species for their own benefit cruel too.
But foxes and humans are different. A pack of dogs are only an equal match for a single fox. I cannot believe I am having to explain the basics to you. You need to stop looking at it as '20 men against one' and start learning more about the species involved - and affording them some proper dignity instead of this anthropomorphic crap.